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(Yahoo)   Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide tracking collars for autistic kids   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2014-01-27 01:48:14 PM  
Ohmygod yes.

We can make an iPhone app for it and watch them like an air traffic controller's radar.
 
2014-01-27 01:48:23 PM  
Do they also explode as the grid shrinks, herding them towards inevitable conflict with each other?
 
2014-01-27 01:48:41 PM  
I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.
 
2014-01-27 01:48:50 PM  
How about tracking collars for members of Congress?
 
2014-01-27 01:49:52 PM  
Tracking DEVICES, not collars. And if the child has a danger or history of wandering off, I see nothing wrong with mandating a base level of coverage for the chips.
 
2014-01-27 01:51:20 PM  
They looked for this poor kid (who was non-verbal and most certainly terrified) for months and just pulled his remains out of the drink this past week. So, this seems like a good use of the technology, given that it is voluntary. There is little difference between this and the "I've fallen and I can't get up" stuff that oldsters use for their safety.
 
2014-01-27 01:51:23 PM  

BlastYoBoots: Tracking DEVICES, not collars. And if the child has a danger or history of wandering off, I see nothing wrong with mandating a base level of coverage for the chips.



Yes, implanted chips under the skin are much better as they cannot be removed easily. Much like those used to track wildlife or pets.
 
2014-01-27 01:51:42 PM  

DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.


Not really, no.
 
2014-01-27 01:52:20 PM  

meat0918: Do they also explode as the grid shrinks, herding them towards inevitable conflict with each other?


Came for the Battle Royal reference. Left satisfied.
 
2014-01-27 01:52:51 PM  
fourteenip.com

Coming soon to schools near you!
 
2014-01-27 01:53:27 PM  
Tracking collars for Washington lobbyists.     Free, of course.
 
2014-01-27 01:54:06 PM  

Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.


Optional vs required?  Yes it is.
 
2014-01-27 01:54:16 PM  

Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.



Big Brother via Big Mother... I can see eventually hospitals offering this to every parent regardless of the childs mental abilities. Think how many kids have cell phones now, just so their parents can track where they are. I'll admit my wife and I are guilty of this.
 
2014-01-27 01:57:12 PM  

DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.


And it's not a collar. It's a device that can be attached to a belt, or shoes, or the wrist.
 
2014-01-27 01:58:31 PM  

DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.


$10 million is rather a lot of money for an optional program, isn't it?  Google shows $15-50 apiece, which doesn't seem like a big outlay for parents who are afraid their child might walk out an unlocked door.  If it's medically necessary, it seems to me like the funds should come from the same places that pay for wheelchairs and medical equipment.
 
2014-01-27 01:59:07 PM  
Parents might want to keep tabs on their special-needs kids? The horror.
 
2014-01-27 01:59:54 PM  
Jaymark108:  Google shows $15-50 apiece

For an individual tracking device.  FTFM.
 
2014-01-27 02:00:18 PM  
Why does subby want autistic kids to get lost?
 
2014-01-27 02:00:45 PM  

Jaymark108: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

$10 million is rather a lot of money for an optional program, isn't it?  Google shows $15-50 apiece, which doesn't seem like a big outlay for parents who are afraid their child might walk out an unlocked door.  If it's medically necessary, it seems to me like the funds should come from the same places that pay for wheelchairs and medical equipment.


No, not it isn't.

It's nickel and dime compared to other programs.
 
2014-01-27 02:01:48 PM  
Anyone else read that as senator shmuck?

Just me? Nevermind....
 
2014-01-27 02:02:31 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.


Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.
 
2014-01-27 02:04:26 PM  
Disney did it first.
 
2014-01-27 02:05:55 PM  

tbeatty: Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.

Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.


But, if you detonate the collar AFTER they've started the rampage, let alone, what about shrapnel from the exploding autistic person?

Needs a little more planning. Maybe in stead of explode, it injects some kind of strong narcotic.
 
2014-01-27 02:06:14 PM  

GardenWeasel: BlastYoBoots: Tracking DEVICES, not collars. And if the child has a danger or history of wandering off, I see nothing wrong with mandating a base level of coverage for the chips.


Yes, implanted chips under the skin are much better as they cannot be removed easily. Much like those used to track wildlife or pets.


I said COVERAGE, dammit, and it's optional at that! If you had an autistic daughter who wandered off every once in a while to get lost all the way in town, unable to speak to anyone to confirm she's lost or get help, wouldn't YOU want to be able to fit a GPS chip into her jacket without paying an arm and a leg???

I am more than willing to put a share of my taxes towards subsidizing that safety measure for these families.
 
2014-01-27 02:07:49 PM  

tbeatty: Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.

Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.


Hey, fark you you farking troll.. Autistic kids are rarely violent and are much more likely to be victims of violence by those who don't understand their behavior. Many parents of autistic kids, myself included, already do things like put GPS phones in their kids' backpacks, cargo pants, etc. for just this type of problem. Hell, the bill is named for an autistic kid who wandered away from a safe place and was found dead. Notice, he wasn't found dead near a pile of his victims, he was just found dead.
 
2014-01-27 02:09:38 PM  
Is the program going to pay somebody to make sure the devices are charged and in working order, too? Because if you can't scrape together so small a sum to instrument your kid yourself, you can't be relied on to maintain it either.
 
2014-01-27 02:10:10 PM  
Does it include a D loop so it is easier to tie them up so that there is less of a need to track them down?
 
2014-01-27 02:12:32 PM  

geek_mars: tbeatty: Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.

Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.

Hey, fark you you farking troll.. Autistic kids are rarely violent and are much more likely to be victims of violence by those who don't understand their behavior. Many parents of autistic kids, myself included, already do things like put GPS phones in their kids' backpacks, cargo pants, etc. for just this type of problem. Hell, the bill is named for an autistic kid who wandered away from a safe place and was found dead. Notice, he wasn't found dead near a pile of his victims, he was just found dead.


Well, not found dead near a pile, no, but have they searched for a mass grave of his victims, just in case?

/yes, I'm kidding
//at least until they actually turn up a pile of bodies in the attic or something
///but probably not.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:43 PM  

asquian: it injects some kind of strong narcotic.


This would be more helpful if the parents wore it.

/I'll take ten
 
2014-01-27 02:14:18 PM  

tbeatty: Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.

Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.


To be clear, the reason you got the crap beat out of you in school wasn't because the other kids were autistic, it was because you're kind of an a-hole.
 
2014-01-27 02:14:47 PM  
The Avonte story was something many of us in New York were concerned with for the long time he was missing. It's a heartbreaking story, which had a terrible end that we all were hoping wouldn't happen. Anything we can do to prevent something like this from happening again is alright by me,
 
2014-01-27 02:14:56 PM  
"Wandering" is a problem parents dealing autistic children "


Well, good thing we've at least solved the "get-down's syndrome kids into journalism" problem.
 
2014-01-27 02:15:01 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.


I'm not seeing anywhere that someone can opt out of being tracked. Just inserting another layer of authority to decide whether it'll happen to them or not. Plus its their parents cause who doesn't want a bunch of fruedian hangups bundled into their Orwellian nightmare?

Yeah yeah kids are basically property and have no rights and etc. Whatever. Doesn't mean parents should get public dosh for this.
 
2014-01-27 02:15:19 PM  

geek_mars: Hell, the bill is named for an autistic kid who wandered away from a safe place and was found dead.


Ohhh I was wondering what a Studebaker had to do with autistic kids.
 
2014-01-27 02:16:25 PM  

GardenWeasel: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.


Big Brother via Big Mother... I can see eventually hospitals offering this to every parent regardless of the childs mental abilities. Think how many kids have cell phones now, just so their parents can track where they are. I'll admit my wife and I are guilty of this.


Used to go camping with young kids and FRS radios were Standard equipment after they were old enough to be off on their wn for extended periods of time, and at the time the friends who had FRS radios with built-in GPS seemed really cool.   Until about two years later when cell phones made them obsolete.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:49 PM  
Shock collars, perhaps, for the little half-melted-snowflakes that freak out at the Apple store and start screaming and everyone has to pretend it's not happening.

I swear, some of the ones people keep aren't much more than pets or dolls. It really seems like some strange fetish to keep these profoundly damaged things alive.
 
2014-01-27 02:25:20 PM  

BlastYoBoots: GardenWeasel: BlastYoBoots: Tracking DEVICES, not collars. And if the child has a danger or history of wandering off, I see nothing wrong with mandating a base level of coverage for the chips.


Yes, implanted chips under the skin are much better as they cannot be removed easily. Much like those used to track wildlife or pets.

I said COVERAGE, dammit, and it's optional at that! If you had an autistic daughter who wandered off every once in a while to get lost all the way in town, unable to speak to anyone to confirm she's lost or get help, wouldn't YOU want to be able to fit a GPS chip into her jacket without paying an arm and a leg???

I am more than willing to put a share of my taxes towards subsidizing that safety measure for these families.


Cant put a GPS chip unit under the skin. it needs a power source.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:16 PM  
maybe if your child is mentally incompetent, doesn't speak and has a history of wandering away to the water you just don't send them to public school? why is this something the taxpayer is on the hook for?
 
2014-01-27 02:27:31 PM  
Scary? Really?

It's a program that makes tracking collars more readily available to parents who feel they need it. Oooga booga!
 
2014-01-27 02:30:52 PM  

asquian: tbeatty: Warlordtrooper: Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.

Optional vs required?  Yes it is.

Yeah, but if you don't use it, and your little Aspberger snowflake goes on a shooting rampage and they can't remotely detonate the collar explosives, you have some explaining to do.

But, if you detonate the collar AFTER they've started the rampage, let alone, what about shrapnel from the exploding autistic person?

Needs a little more planning. Maybe in stead of explode, it injects some kind of strong narcotic.


Implosion.

Or a localized, high-amperage electron pulse.
 
2014-01-27 02:46:12 PM  

meat0918: Jaymark108: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

$10 million is rather a lot of money for an optional program, isn't it?  Google shows $15-50 apiece, which doesn't seem like a big outlay for parents who are afraid their child might walk out an unlocked door.  If it's medically necessary, it seems to me like the funds should come from the same places that pay for wheelchairs and medical equipment.

No, not it isn't.

It's nickel and dime compared to other programs.


Yes, but the fight to reduce pork starts at home.
 
2014-01-27 02:46:14 PM  
And then, in the fall, issue catch-and-release hunting permits to offset the cost. It's really a win for everybody.
 
2014-01-27 02:52:37 PM  

Jaymark108: meat0918: Jaymark108: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

$10 million is rather a lot of money for an optional program, isn't it?  Google shows $15-50 apiece, which doesn't seem like a big outlay for parents who are afraid their child might walk out an unlocked door.  If it's medically necessary, it seems to me like the funds should come from the same places that pay for wheelchairs and medical equipment.

No, not it isn't.

It's nickel and dime compared to other programs.

Yes, but the fight to reduce pork starts at home.


I'd say start at the fattiest portion of the budget then, and stop allocating money to military programs the military says it doesn't need.
 
2014-01-27 03:02:06 PM  

wildcardjack: Shock collars, perhaps, for the little half-melted-snowflakes that freak out at the Apple store and start screaming and everyone has to pretend it's not happening.

I swear, some of the ones people keep aren't much more than pets or dolls. It really seems like some strange fetish to keep these profoundly damaged things alive.


I admire your thoughtless bravery in offering yourself up as a prime example of the point you're making.
 
2014-01-27 03:17:52 PM  
yes we need trackers on autistic kids. How about the we put some blame on the school that let the kid run away on video camera and not even notice?
 
2014-01-27 03:22:08 PM  

geek_mars: wildcardjack: Shock collars, perhaps, for the little half-melted-snowflakes that freak out at the Apple store and start screaming and everyone has to pretend it's not happening.

I swear, some of the ones people keep aren't much more than pets or dolls. It really seems like some strange fetish to keep these profoundly damaged things alive.

I admire your thoughtless bravery in offering yourself up as a prime example of the point you're making.


What's up with white knighting for these organ harvest candidates? I know my view is rather Spartan, but some of them really are just sunk costs.
 
2014-01-27 03:25:58 PM  
Just chip everyone at birth and get it over with.

It's where we're headed, anyway.
 
2014-01-27 03:29:51 PM  
Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper if we make the kids wear one of those orange flags on a long pole, you know like they have for kids bikes?
 
2014-01-27 03:32:23 PM  

BlastYoBoots: GardenWeasel: BlastYoBoots: Tracking DEVICES, not collars. And if the child has a danger or history of wandering off, I see nothing wrong with mandating a base level of coverage for the chips.


Yes, implanted chips under the skin are much better as they cannot be removed easily. Much like those used to track wildlife or pets.

I said COVERAGE, dammit, and it's optional at that! If you had an autistic daughter who wandered off every once in a while to get lost all the way in town, unable to speak to anyone to confirm she's lost or get help, wouldn't YOU want to be able to fit a GPS chip into her jacket without paying an arm and a leg???

I am more than willing to put a share of my taxes towards subsidizing that safety measure for these families.


I don't disagree with you, however, just our little exchange demonstrates the difficulty you would have trying to make this a government-funded/subsidized program.


FW: FW: FW: FW: ERMGERD 0BAMA WANTS TO FORCE EMPLANT ALL CITEZENS WITH GPS TRACKING (typos intentional)
 
2014-01-27 03:37:53 PM  

Ned Stark: DamnYankees: I like how subby left out a little bit:

Sen Chuck Schumer (D-Oceania) introduces "Avonte's Law" which require the federal government to provide parents with the option of using free tracking collars for autistic kids.

Kind of a big difference.

Not really, no.


So you want another situation like that?  By all means, explain how this is a bad thing.
 
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