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(Miami Herald)   Backyard gun range legal. Neighbors advised to duck   (miamiherald.com) divider line 75
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2014-01-27 01:56:34 PM  
Last month, another frightening situation in Miami, in which he feared being carjacked while pumping gas, led him to purchase two new Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380s, small-caliber guns with integrated lasers. One is for his wife, who has poor eyesight. Varrieur believes a gun with a laser will offer her more protection.


Well, I for one feel safer.
 
2014-01-27 02:10:43 PM  
Surprised it's not at least violating any sort of noise ordinances.
 
2014-01-27 02:13:01 PM  
But you still can't buy a cat.
 
2014-01-27 02:13:39 PM  
I'm popping corn. 
I'm going to get rich in one thread,
5 cents a bag!
 
2014-01-27 02:14:04 PM  
Huey Gordon checked the waterway behind neighbor Doug Varrieur's home for boat traffic.
"All clear?"

He put on earmuffs and, within a few seconds, the peace of the residential neighborhood was replaced with the burst of small-caliber gunfire.


America is a sick farking country.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-27 02:15:12 PM  
Meanwhile in Massachusetts, a police shooting range in the woods is considered controversial.
 
2014-01-27 02:15:38 PM  

gopher321: Last month, another frightening situation in Miami, in which he feared being carjacked while pumping gas, led him to purchase two new Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380s, small-caliber guns with integrated lasers. One is for his wife, who has poor eyesight. Varrieur believes a gun with a laser will offer her more protection.


Well, I for one feel safer.


Its a 380.
Those have a range of ten feet ...probably.

/Maybe twenty with a running start.
 
2014-01-27 02:16:57 PM  

hammettman: Huey Gordon checked the waterway behind neighbor Doug Varrieur's home for boat traffic.
"All clear?"

He put on earmuffs and, within a few seconds, the peace of the residential neighborhood was replaced with the burst of small-caliber gunfire.

America is a sick farking country.


If you have to check for traffic down-range, your range isn't safe to begin with. This guy is an idiot.

Additionally, if you have to wear ear protection to fire off your weapon, then your probably making far too much noise for your neighbor's safety.
 
2014-01-27 02:17:38 PM  

hammettman: Huey Gordon checked the waterway behind neighbor Doug Varrieur's home for boat traffic.
"All clear?"

He put on earmuffs and, within a few seconds, the peace of the residential neighborhood was replaced with the burst of small-caliber gunfire.

America is a sick farking country.


I know, right? Who the hell wears earmuffs for protection?
 
2014-01-27 02:17:54 PM  
This can only end well.
 
2014-01-27 02:20:01 PM  
This is what Florida wants. They voted in the state government that wrecked all the municipal ordinances. So enjoy what you have voted for, Floridians.
 
2014-01-27 02:20:29 PM  
Google Maps is awesome.  Enter Mango Lane, Big Pine Key.  This guy is a nut, but he's not as
nuts as you think.
 
2014-01-27 02:21:45 PM  
All I know is houses mysteriously burn down sometimes. One day you come home from work to find nothing but a pile of charred lumber.
 
2014-01-27 02:21:55 PM  
I hate loud neighbors, but... at least he's limiting to one scheduled hour per week.  It's better than hearing 3 or four shots randomly and wondering if one of your neighbors is killing their family.
 
2014-01-27 02:22:14 PM  
I was expecting some crazed nut when I clicked the article.  Pleasantly surprised to read his ideas about tightening up the existing law.  Around here, there are always a couple of nuts at the range carrying on about why they should be allowed to skip the safety gear and/or the safety class.

But, knowing Floriduh, some other idiot will step up to fight any tightening of the law.
 
2014-01-27 02:22:57 PM  
Last month, another frightening situation in Miami, in which he feared being carjacked while pumping gas,

Some brown dudes rolled up at the pump next to him and looked over?
 
2014-01-27 02:23:14 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: hammettman: Huey Gordon checked the waterway behind neighbor Doug Varrieur's home for boat traffic.
"All clear?"

He put on earmuffs and, within a few seconds, the peace of the residential neighborhood was replaced with the burst of small-caliber gunfire.

America is a sick farking country.

If you have to check for traffic down-range, your range isn't safe to begin with. This guy is an idiot.

Additionally, if you have to wear ear protection to fire off your weapon, then your probably making far too much noise for your neighbor's safety.


So deregulate suppressors?

I like the way you think.
 
2014-01-27 02:23:25 PM  
Boy, I can tell there are a lot of folks on Fark that have never experienced the thrill of being able to shoot a gun on your own property. Of course you HAVE TO MAKE SURE the bullets you fire STAY on YOUR own property.

And the noise thing? Well if I have to put up with neighbors starting up their rice burners during the week, with crappy mufflers on them at 4AM, then they can listen to my 50 caliber BMG target practice on Sunday afternoons.
 
2014-01-27 02:25:51 PM  
That's nothing! I know of several guys who shoot clay pigeons right off of their backdecks. Granted, they also own everything in a 20 acre radius; but, that's beside the point.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:15 PM  
If he didn't live on a postage stamp piece of porperty, i wouldn't have an issue with this.

Having to travel for a 1/2hour to get to the range is the price you pay for living in a relaxation therapy painting.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:33 PM  
At first I was all, second-amendment, let the guy shoot, he seems safe/cool/whatever, until I read this:

Just last month, Ernie Vasiliou threatened to put a private gun range on a one-acre lot on Ranches Road west of Boynton Beach if a proposed daycare center were approved on land next to his. Vasiliou said noisy kids would ruin his dream-home plans.

What a first-class douchebag. He doesn't like noisy kids because they'll be a threat to his American dream, yet he's perfectly content to make all kinds of racket and ruin everyone's else's "dream-home plans."  Enjoy your guns, DICK-HEAD.
 
2014-01-27 02:27:05 PM  

Pick: Boy, I can tell there are a lot of folks on Fark that have never experienced the thrill of being able to shoot a gun on your own property. Of course you HAVE TO MAKE SURE the bullets you fire STAY on YOUR own property.

And the noise thing? Well if I have to put up with neighbors starting up their rice burners during the week, with crappy mufflers on them at 4AM, then they can listen to my 50 caliber BMG target practice on Sunday afternoons.


Here's what I'm wondering...  Has he bothered to insure his home owners insurance broker/agent about what he's doing?
 
2014-01-27 02:29:35 PM  

Pick: And the noise thing? Well if I have to put up with neighbors starting up their rice burners during the week, with crappy mufflers on them at 4AM, then they can listen to my 50 caliber BMG target practice on Sunday afternoons.


If it weren't for completely inapt analogies, gun owners wouldn't have any analogies at all...

Do you live in a Vin Diesel movie, or are you honestly dumb enough to think that some stupid teenager firing up his car once and then heading down the street to his shiatty McJob is equivalent to sitting your back yard firing off rounds all afternoon?
 
2014-01-27 02:30:44 PM  
Satanic_Hamster, Why would the home owners insurance care about some guy starting up his rice burner with loud mufflers at 4AM?
 
2014-01-27 02:31:08 PM  
Awesome. FL resident here. Channeling Johnny Carson....."I did not know that."  Going out back to get started on my range right NOW.
 
2014-01-27 02:32:18 PM  
 Last month, another frightening situation in Miami, in which he feared being carjacked while pumping gas, led him to purchase two new Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380s,

What a pathetic, chickenshiat coward.

ooh, scary people came near me at a gas station.  wah wah, baby needs a new handgun.

I hate all the ball-less people in Miami that think they need guns.  I was biking last weekend through the Hialeah and some giant pickup tried to buzz my friend and me.  we shouted and gestured that we needed more room and the guy pulls a gun and says "ride on the sidewalk".  "The sidewalk is for walking!" I yelled as I dove into the bushes.
 
2014-01-27 02:32:45 PM  
skozlaw, priced any 50 BMG cartridges lately? If you have, you would know that you could not fire them off "all afternoon". Duh!
 
2014-01-27 02:33:20 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Google Maps is awesome.  Enter Mango Lane, Big Pine Key.  This guy is a nut, but he's not as
nuts as you think.


Heh.  At the time the Streetview car rolled by the house across the street from his was for sale.
 
2014-01-27 02:33:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Surprised it's not at least violating any sort of noise ordinances.


I my experience most noise ordinances only apply over night. Learned about them when a spiteful neighbour decided to try and get us in trouble for a dog barking.

Periodic loud noises may mean you are a bad neighbour, but aren't generally a legal issue.

Now the issue I have with it is that he has to go and check if his backstop is clear. If your backstop isn't well enough controlled that someone can unknowlingly enter the field of fire then I have a serious issue with you shooting, especially if you can't tell from the firing position.

Also the "my wife can't see very well so I got her a laser sight" sounds incredibly stupid and dangerous.

But at least they are practicing.
 
2014-01-27 02:37:04 PM  
FTA ""There's people in this area who think I'm some redneck, chewing, dipping my lip, Second Amendment nut," Varrieur said. "I'm not. All I want to do is come out here and safely shoot my gun. Instead, I am pushing the limit - the only way to get attention is if people get mad."  ...

[Varrieur] made a list of requirements he thinks should be included in the statute for non-rural residences. They include requirements about backstops, targets, the distance that bullets can travel, the time of day shots can be fired and the types of weapons and ammunition that can be used. He doesn't think it is safe to use high-powered rifles and armor-piercing bullets at your home.

Varrieur also thinks owners should be required to take a gun-safety course and call the local police department before firing so that it won't waste resources checking out shots-fired calls when officers could be needed in an emergency elsewhere."

Sounded to me like Varrieur was out to demonstrate the problems with the current law, by pissing enough people off to draw attention for the need to make changes to the law.

/where is the hero tag?
 
2014-01-27 02:41:06 PM  

MattyBlast: He doesn't like noisy kids because they'll be a threat to his American dream, yet he's perfectly content to make all kinds of racket and ruin everyone's else's "dream-home plans."


This is the case with many bad neighbors tho.
Some rich guy moves into a rural area and immediately starts to complain about the smell of cow manure or sound of roosters crowing.  But he tears around the place in an ATV or throws an all night party without a second thought.
People don't mind the noise they make as much as the noise their neighbors make.

/I'd have called his bluff tho.
/A child center isn't incompatible with a sporting area, so long as safety practices are observed.
/There's probably a few more laws about running a commercial gun range as opposed to shooting low power calibers in ones own back yard.
 
2014-01-27 02:41:33 PM  
Just read 790.15. Has absolutely nothing to do with shooting on your own property or back yard.
 
2014-01-27 02:42:35 PM  
Florida never disappoints.
 
2014-01-27 02:46:25 PM  
His "range" was so cute.

Amateur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSwrCaq7IfM

/Better make more popcorn
 
2014-01-27 02:47:38 PM  
I've shot in my yard for years, in FL. Cops used to come over the first few times I did it. 1st time, the sheriff really liked my full auto ak47 and was tickled as hell to unload a full 75 rd drum into some paper and dirt. Snobby snowflake neighbor was told to go pound sand and the cops never bothered me again.
 
2014-01-27 02:48:12 PM  

Pick: Satanic_Hamster, Why would the home owners insurance care about some guy starting up his rice burner with loud mufflers at 4AM?


Was referring to Shootie McShooterson, the guy with the "gun range" at his home.
 
2014-01-27 02:53:24 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Google Maps is awesome.  Enter Mango Lane, Big Pine Key.  This guy is a nut, but he's not as
nuts as you think.


The residents on Mango Lane only pawns in game of life.
 
2014-01-27 02:53:47 PM  

aseras: I've shot in my yard for years, in FL. Cops used to come over the first few times I did it. 1st time, the sheriff really liked my full auto ak47 and was tickled as hell to unload a full 75 rd drum into some paper and dirt. Snobby snowflake neighbor was told to go pound sand and the cops never bothered me again.


You sound tough.
 
2014-01-27 02:56:02 PM  

Pick: Just read 790.15. Has absolutely nothing to do with shooting on your own property or back yard.


You mean the statute titled "discharging a firearm in public or on residential property"?

I assume they are using a reading where only reckless and negligent usage are illegal therefore non-reckless or negligent usage is allowed.
 
2014-01-27 02:57:33 PM  
Now granted it was 1960, but when mom and dad moved from NYC to Witchita, KS one fo the first things they did was build themselves a pistol range in thier basement as there was fark-all else to do in Witchita in the early 60's.  Full disclaimer: Since dad "rolled his own" back then they used wax bullets, but I imagine that at least the .44 had to have made a hell of a racket
 
2014-01-27 03:00:40 PM  

Pick: Just read 790.15. Has absolutely nothing to do with shooting on your own property or back yard.


orly?

790.15Discharging firearm in public or on residential property.-
 
2014-01-27 03:02:15 PM  

Tryfan: This is what Florida wants. They voted in the state government that wrecked all the municipal ordinances. So enjoy what you have voted for, Floridians.


A number of years back Virginia voted for a law which basically states that if your new neighborhood is built in a rural area you got nor recourse if the locals continue with their hunting/target practice activities,...or something like that .
 
2014-01-27 03:03:29 PM  
My concern is public safety and quality of life.

Well, I know my quality of life would be greatly improved if I could test new loads and practice without having to drive out into the desert.

As for safety, I thought people were better off if gun owners were well trained and practiced in their shooting?

"It's almost the wild, wild west again when we go back to firing wherever you want, whenever you want,"

That's absolutely not how it was in the "Wild West". You still couldn't shoot in town. Granted, "town" was like a block and you could easily walk outside town if you had to. I live in the west I could drive for over an hour and still be in "town" now, same as this guys problem. Nearest range is a 50 mile trip.

"If people want to shoot on private property next to a daycare center, they can."

Haha, the "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" random interjection is hilarious.

"And if they want to shoot a fully automatic weapon, and have a class 3 license, technically they would not be in violation of anything,"

And they would be done quicker. What's the problem? A real fast string of gunshots is... *what*, exactly, compared to slightly longer pauses between each shot?

and you can't fire recklessly or negligently?

So, in the end, people are upset there's a law that says "You're free to do whatever you want as long as you don't endanger anyone else." This is America, that should be the ONLY darn law. If some hillbillies start shooting in their backyard with no backstop, this law isn't going to protect them. But if someone is shooting safely, there's no justification for telling them they have to stop. And any "noise" complainers can suck a d*ck as long as I can hear dogs barking every single day and night.

"I think it's ridiculous and absurd that we can't regulate where shooting ranges can crop up,"

He added, "we should also have the right to define free speech zones for protests, and limit public gatherings to pre-approved locations."
 
2014-01-27 03:04:54 PM  
MY BAD!!! You are right, it does read that way. (790.15) does refer to reckless or negligent use of a firearm on residential property.
 
2014-01-27 03:11:16 PM  
Ah, America. It's a weird place.
 
2014-01-27 03:12:52 PM  
won't someone think of the large caliber weapons ?

/gunfire in the neighborhood keeps burglars away.
//too many calls to the police chasing fireworks as gunfire
///so just shoot guns
////four slashies... if it starts at 3pm you know what time it is!!!
 
2014-01-27 03:19:37 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: If you have to check for traffic down-range, your range isn't safe to begin with. This guy is an idiot.


When I was in the Army, range control would have everyone look into the woods for lost hunters etc before the range went hot. Also, no range is ever really "safe". My rifle has a 5 mile safety range according to the manual that came with it. There's no place in the state that I could shoot if I wasn't confident of hitting the target or the backstop.
 
2014-01-27 03:21:31 PM  

MattyBlast: At first I was all, second-amendment, let the guy shoot, he seems safe/cool/whatever, until I read this:

Just last month, Ernie Vasiliou threatened to put a private gun range on a one-acre lot on Ranches Road west of Boynton Beach if a proposed daycare center were approved on land next to his. Vasiliou said noisy kids would ruin his dream-home plans.

What a first-class douchebag. He doesn't like noisy kids because they'll be a threat to his American dream, yet he's perfectly content to make all kinds of racket and ruin everyone's else's "dream-home plans."  Enjoy your guns, DICK-HEAD.


Two different people.
 
2014-01-27 03:40:44 PM  

ZeroPly: Also, no range is ever really "safe".


True in the sense that at bullet speeds, incredibly funky things can happen. But the iron rule of range safety is "if you can see it, you can shoot it." That's what gets me about this "range." If he were good enough that he'd never miss that teensy backstop with a handgun (never mind his nearsighted wife), he wouldn't need a range in the first place.

Try to find a range where you can see another building (or road, or walkway, etc.) with the naked eye from the firing line. They're just not out there, to speak of. Plenty of outdoor ranges are in populated areas, but there's always a big old mound of dirt between you and civilization, and baffles on the firing line to keep you from shooting up over those dirt mounds.

At my local golf course the weeds on the right side of the eighth hole are littered with range balls. That's about 300 yards  perpendicular to the range, meaning the only way those balls end up there is if someone hits the slice from hell with their biggest swing on the biggest club in their bag. And yet there are dozens of them. The difference between golf accuracy and handgun accuracy is that most people will eventually admit they can't hit a golf ball straight to save their lives. Here's hoping this guy was mostly just doing this for the lulz (or to draw attention to the crappy law, like he says), because he  will miss that target before he's spent too many hours out there.
 
2014-01-27 03:47:09 PM  

Jument: Ah, America. It's a weird place.


America starts making a lot more sense if you remember three things:

1. We were founded by the puritanical nutjobs every other leading country in the world had outgrown by the beginning of the Renaissance .

2. Modern consolidation and settlement occurred at gunpoint as people moved west and took the open lands between the Atlantic and Pacific via the judicious application of bloodshed.

3. A lot of Americans honestly believe that we should keep on being those two things...

Between the people who think they're modern-day cowboys living in the rough lands of the new west and the people who think the world's scientific and cultural understanding should have stopped developing about the same time Canterbury Tales was written, being American can seem kind of absurd at times.
 
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