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2014-01-27 10:46:01 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?


I read some guy on another forum -- maybe he was as D-U-M as you pretend to be --  he said that we needn't worry because we were only going to be another 10C of warming.

A look of wild surmise.
 
2014-01-27 10:52:56 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?


You should really just let Pocket Ninja handle these things.
 
2014-01-27 11:02:00 AM  

d23: It's the hot air.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 265x190]


It's actually the Pacific Ocean, but yeah...
 
2014-01-27 11:02:06 AM  

ytterbium: Fubegra: I've gotten used to temperatures around 0 F, but it's supposed to hit -20 tonight. I'll just be happy if my sidewalks can stay shoveled for more than six hours.

I was out in just a sweatshirt yesterday. Funny how 25 is balmy now.

The wind has scoured all of the snow off of my sidewalk and steps at least, but my car is half-buried.


It got to a sizzling +34 here, then we got a quick blizzard after dark with 50 MPH winds howling away, and this morning I woke up to -1.

I know winters in the 1970s were like this, but it was a lot more fun when I was a kid.

/at least I'm not in Yakutsk
 
2014-01-27 11:03:54 AM  

lousyskater: nekom: Shadow Blasko: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Aren't they on fire?

Don't worry, the mudslides will put out the fires.

That implies it'll rain at some point, which it wont.


Thursday

/probably not much, and definitely not enough to break the drought
//might settle the dust a little
 
2014-01-27 11:09:29 AM  
It's pretty nice in NW Washington right now.
 
2014-01-27 11:21:14 AM  

FunkOut: It's pretty nice in NW Washington right now.


Of course, there's been so little rain or snow it's all going to dry up by summer. California is already starting to burn.
 
2014-01-27 11:22:39 AM  
Of course, if you want to visit Valdez while you're there, you'll need a boat, as the warm weather has triggered avalanches on the Richardson Hwy., and the city will be isolated for at least a week.

/With awesome pic of big avalanche results.

//And flyover video of resulting ice dam
 
2014-01-27 11:25:09 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Aren't they on fire?


Only south California, and this is their traditional fire season. The rest of the area's doing fine.

/NV is having a drought.
//On the other hand...I'm warm.
///Kind of have mixed feelings here.
 
2014-01-27 11:25:32 AM  

Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.


True, but many Californians (not all) are bundled up like it's freezing.

It's rather amusing to watch, especially since I grew up in South Carolina, and am walking around in a short sleeve t-shirt.

They all look at me like I'm crazy.


Ok, to be fair, they looked at me like that before, but now it's because of the shirt.
 
2014-01-27 11:26:39 AM  

Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]


Enjoy your fires.
 
2014-01-27 11:34:15 AM  

mithras_angel: Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.

True, but many Californians (not all) are bundled up like it's freezing.

It's rather amusing to watch, especially since I grew up in South Carolina, and am walking around in a short sleeve t-shirt.

They all look at me like I'm crazy.


Ok, to be fair, they looked at me like that before, but now it's because of the shirt.


I don't know about where you are, but it may be 70 in the afternoon here, but it's only 37 in the morning
/yes, I'm wearing a freaking coat
 
2014-01-27 11:39:03 AM  

SpectroBoy: macross87: Grabs popcorn in preparation of the "Ironic Wars"

It's a perfectly cromulent use of the word ironic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irony_of_Fate


Don't embiggen yourself
 
2014-01-27 11:40:14 AM  
It was snowing pretty good going to work this morning. Couldn't see any lanes on the thruway.
Not for the faint of heart.
 
2014-01-27 11:41:26 AM  

LemSkroob: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Enjoy your fires.



I love that California fires are such a thing that this is a thing:
http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/
 
2014-01-27 11:43:23 AM  
Oregon has been unseasonably warm and dry. I noticed the wisteria seeds popping like popcorn a couple of days ago.

/Wisterias are surprisingly fun plants. I just wish it wouldn't chase the plum tree around the yard.
 
2014-01-27 11:45:56 AM  
I'm pretty sure it was 75 here in Norther Cali a couple days ago. Yesterday it had cooled down to about 66.
 
2014-01-27 12:00:39 PM  
I live on the 56th parallel in BC. We had winter until mid-dec. It has been 0 or above since then. Last year at this time it was -40c ...  Of course this is the winter I decided to blow $13,000 on a snowmobile... I should have bought a boat :(
 
2014-01-27 12:06:13 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?


The guys who settled Easter Island were pretty adaptable, too. As were the Mayans. But they bred to the point of straining their resources, and in case a) ran out of resources and case b) had a couple years of drought that caused a famine, wars and societal collapse. When we were adapting to stuff prior to 150 years ago? There were fewer than 1 billion of us, and we weren't reliant on petroleum-based industry to eat. We're completely dependent on weather and finite prehistoric resources for food, y'know, from topsoil to aquifer water; we can't just replicate it. All it's gonna take now that we have 7 billion humans is a little climate-based nudge to take us from food surplus to food deficit. Then the whole human population bubble goes pop, taking modern technology down with it.

I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow. I'm just saying it's probably going to happen within 100 years. Because it's happened before, over and over, in localized populations that approached the current global resource-to-demand ratio.
 
2014-01-27 12:11:05 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.


So...everyone in LA is wearing parkas?
 
2014-01-27 12:12:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: mithras_angel: Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.

True, but many Californians (not all) are bundled up like it's freezing.

It's rather amusing to watch, especially since I grew up in South Carolina, and am walking around in a short sleeve t-shirt.

They all look at me like I'm crazy.


Ok, to be fair, they looked at me like that before, but now it's because of the shirt.

I don't know about where you are, but it may be 70 in the afternoon here, but it's only 37 in the morning
/yes, I'm wearing a freaking coat


Ventura County.  And while it was brisk this morning, it wasn't mandatory coat weather.

It's not cold until there's frozen stuff on the ground.
 
2014-01-27 12:15:07 PM  

lousyskater: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?

You should really just let Pocket Ninja handle these things.


ohsnap.jpg
 
2014-01-27 12:16:08 PM  

PsiChick: Shadow Blasko: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Aren't they on fire?

Only south California, and this is their traditional fire season. The rest of the area's doing fine.

/NV is having a drought.
//On the other hand...I'm warm.
///Kind of have mixed feelings here.



Actually, no.  This isn't our traditional fire season.

This is supposed to be the middle of our rainy season (late October through March), but we haven't had a lot of rain.  Southern California is also in a drought, to the point that we're being asked to cut our water use by 20%.
 
2014-01-27 12:19:29 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Well, duh. The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.


You realize that past climate shifts weren't magical, right? That they happened for actual physical reasons? Volcanism, Milankovich cycles, the formation and break-up of super continents, et cetera?

The Earth didn't just decide to change it's climate the way your mom changes her hairdo.
 
2014-01-27 12:21:21 PM  
I know how to stop this. I am going to get a snow thrower.
 
2014-01-27 12:25:59 PM  

BretMavrik: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

My flight home yesterday took us past Mt. Shasta. I've seen more snow on it in summer than I saw yesterday. CA is screwed this year. Get ready for massive water shortages in CA and higher food prices everywhere.


Yeah, we noticed that while driving up to visit the youngest grandkid last month. Even if we have "normal" February and March precipitation we are hosed, since this is the third year of the drought. I live out in the country east of Napa up one of those scenic drive valleys, and in recent weeks my well has slowed to a trickle, so I've started hauling water from my business in town. I've got the grass mowed down to 1" tall brown stubble for 100' or so around the house and buildings, and I need to fill the storage tank to ensure I can fight a small grass fire. Things get a little tense when it gets dry, but fires are a natural thing here. One just has always to be prepared for fight or flight.
 
2014-01-27 12:26:20 PM  

mithras_angel: PsiChick: Shadow Blasko: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Aren't they on fire?

Only south California, and this is their traditional fire season. The rest of the area's doing fine.

/NV is having a drought.
//On the other hand...I'm warm.
///Kind of have mixed feelings here.


Actually, no.  This isn't our traditional fire season.

This is supposed to be the middle of our rainy season (late October through March), but we haven't had a lot of rain.  Southern California is also in a drought, to the point that we're being asked to cut our water use by 20%.


Hunh. My dad claimed it was...that prolly should've been my first clue. :p
 
2014-01-27 12:32:37 PM  

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: mithras_angel: Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.

True, but many Californians (not all) are bundled up like it's freezing.

It's rather amusing to watch, especially since I grew up in South Carolina, and am walking around in a short sleeve t-shirt.

They all look at me like I'm crazy.


Ok, to be fair, they looked at me like that before, but now it's because of the shirt.

I don't know about where you are, but it may be 70 in the afternoon here, but it's only 37 in the morning
/yes, I'm wearing a freaking coat

Ventura County.  And while it was brisk this morning, it wasn't mandatory coat weather.

It's not cold until there's frozen stuff on the ground.


I'm up in El Dorado

/low to mid 30s in the mornings
//so I'm a wuss
///I'm a warm wuss
 
2014-01-27 12:33:30 PM  

lousyskater: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?

You should really just let Pocket Ninja handle these things.


SO, derision is all you have?  Got ya.
 
2014-01-27 12:38:27 PM  
Fubegra:

/at least I'm not in Yakutsk

The Ukraine is weak!
 
2014-01-27 12:40:04 PM  

MechTard: LemSkroob: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Enjoy your fires.


I love that California fires are such a thing that this is a thing:
http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/


Oh, very cool. Does it differentiate between wildfires and downtown riots, or can either be the trigger?
 
2014-01-27 12:42:22 PM  

mbillips: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?

The guys who settled Easter Island were pretty adaptable, too. As were the Mayans. But they bred to the point of straining their resources, and in case a) ran out of resources and case b) had a couple years of drought that caused a famine, wars and societal collapse. When we were adapting to stuff prior to 150 years ago? There were fewer than 1 billion of us, and we weren't reliant on petroleum-based industry to eat. We're completely dependent on weather and finite prehistoric resources for food, y'know, from topsoil to aquifer water; we can't just replicate it. All it's gonna take now that we have 7 billion humans is a little climate-based nudge to take us from food surplus to food deficit. Then the whole human population bubble goes pop, taking modern technology down with it.

I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow. I'm just saying it's probably go ...


Yeah. I totally recommend Jared Diamond's Collapse as it is a great book about how these things happen.
 
2014-01-27 12:46:20 PM  
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Alaska? Escape? Refuge? Come on up.
 
2014-01-27 12:48:39 PM  

SumoJeb: I live on the 56th parallel in BC. We had winter until mid-dec. It has been 0 or above since then. Last year at this time it was -40c ...  Of course this is the winter I decided to blow $13,000 on a snowmobile... I should have bought a boat :(


I haven't been able to go ice-skating all winter. First it was 10 or 20 below, now it's just been too warm for the ice. And I live at damn near 7000 feet elevation. I think it's cold enough now (as of yesterday) but now I don't care. I'm getting ready to go to Phoenix--where it will be 120 by the first of March, if things keep going like they are.

PsiChick: Hunh. My dad claimed it was...that prolly should've been my first clue. :p


My sister sent me an email that said something like "We're in a drought, LOL, snow pack in the Sierras is only 18% of normal." She lives near Oakland. I told her "That isn't a drought--that's a disaster." LOL.
 
2014-01-27 12:53:25 PM  

cryinoutloud: PsiChick: Hunh. My dad claimed it was...that prolly should've been my first clue. :p

My sister sent me an email that said something like "We're in a drought, LOL, snow pack in the Sierras is only 18% of normal." She lives near Oakland. I told her "That isn't a drought--that's a disaster." LOL.


Yeah, I'm  really not looking forward to this summer. I have a feeling the Carson River's going to head underground in some places again.

/Woke up one morning and the State Park had a riverbed full of dead fish a few years ago
//It was interesting
 
2014-01-27 01:05:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: My sister sent me an email that said something like "We're in a drought, LOL, snow pack in the Sierras is only 18% of normal." She lives near Oakland. I told her "That isn't a drought--that's a disaster." LOL.


18%...? No...it's less than half that. Source: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/products/swccond.pdf

The only positive news is that our reservoirs are at 65% of normal. Scroll down to the very last line: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/reservoirs/STORAGE

The next 60 days will set conditions for the rest of the year, and as much as I like warm, sunny weather, I hope it rains and snows like a sumbiatch for the next couple of months.

/not much chance of that, tho... :(
 
2014-01-27 01:15:46 PM  
Subby, I went jogging to the beach this morning in a pair of shorts and t-shirt.  63 and sunny here in Greater LA. Could be warmer, but I'll take it (got plenty of relatives and friends freezing their cajones in the upper Midwest).

So, no, I don't think I will heading to Alaska anytime soon.
 
2014-01-27 01:18:05 PM  
As a new resident of Anchorage, I can tell you that it sucks. It is warm up here, but mostly that means everything is now covered in nasty, nasty ice. It used to be packed snow everywhere, and that all melted. I've almost fallen on my ass several times as a result of this warmth. Not a fan.
 
2014-01-27 01:38:55 PM  
It's cold right here right now where I'm at, therefore Sarah Palin is president.  Wait, is that how it goes?
 
2014-01-27 02:11:33 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.


Colorado is nice. Not too cold and new snow to ski on.

How's that ski season going, Tahoe?

ww1.hdnux.com
 
2014-01-27 02:21:49 PM  

the_foo: Did Hawaii secede while I was out clearing the driveway?


Can you blame them?
 
2014-01-27 02:33:23 PM  

PsiChick: Shadow Blasko: Stone Meadow: California ROFLIAO at silly Subby...

~[o.aolcdn.com image 575x324]

Aren't they on fire?

Only south California, and this is their traditional fire season. The rest of the area's doing fine.

/NV is having a drought.
//On the other hand...I'm warm.
///Kind of have mixed feelings here.


Actually, all year is now fire season in California.
 
2014-01-27 02:56:17 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Oh look it's THIS thread again/still.  Let's just assume global warming is for real.  Well, duh.  The earth had been through warming/cooling stages eons before we arrived and it will continue to do so for eons after we're gone.  To think that mankind's, what?  Maybe 150 year-old "Industrial age" could have any significant impact on this planet is ridiculous.  It's the hypocritical left doing the exact same thing they constantly accuse the right of doing.  Fear-mongering.  I'm old enough to remember the 70s.  Back then we were all gonna freeze to death by 2000.  Forty years later we're all gonna burn to death.  And then, as now, we take so-called scientists at their word, even though they can't really predict with any degree of accuracy what the weather will be tomorrow.  I digress.  Back to the original point.  Humans are highly adaptable and pretty-darn smart.  We managed to put men on the moon within a few measly years of getting the first plane off the ground.  So what makes anyone think we won't devise a way of halting climate change in the next 10,000 years should the need arise?


Oh, look, it's THIS comment again/still.
 
2014-01-27 02:57:39 PM  

jst3p: Stephen_Falken: Not to burst your bubble subby, but CA is around 60° and holding steady already.

Colorado is nice. Not too cold and new snow to ski on.

How's that ski season going, Tahoe?


Wow, glad we can't afford our yearly Tahoe trip. I've been begging to go somewhere warm for once anyway.
 
2014-01-27 03:23:14 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Subby, I went jogging to the beach this morning in a pair of shorts and t-shirt.  63 and sunny here in Greater LA. Could be warmer, but I'll take it (got plenty of relatives and friends freezing their cajones in the upper Midwest).

So, no, I don't think I will heading to Alaska anytime soon.


You can keep your nice sunny winter weather, and I'll keep the Great Lakes.

I've heard that plenty of sunshine helps stave off thirst.
 
2014-01-27 03:43:22 PM  
Lando Lincoln:
You can keep your nice sunny winter weather, and I'll keep the Great Lakes.

I've heard that plenty of sunshine helps stave off thirst.



Dude, Joliet is nowhere near the Lake Michigan.

I do like the many small Midwest lakes.  I just spent too many years shoveling snow and freeing my butt off to ever want to live back there.
 
2014-01-27 04:12:02 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Dude, Joliet is nowhere near the Lake Michigan.


It's not? Huh. All this time I thought that giant lake 40 minutes away from my house was Lake Michigan.
 
2014-01-27 04:29:17 PM  
On behalf of Alaska, feel free to give our weather back. It's 40+ here (Lat 62), and we're having school closures for rain. Tradesies?
 
2014-01-27 04:50:44 PM  
Lando Lincoln:
It's not? Huh. All this time I thought that giant lake 40 minutes away from my house was Lake Michigan.


Okay, I exaggerate a bit.  I also have relatives 40 - 50 minutes away from said "giant lake".  It's nice.  In the summer.
 
2014-01-27 05:08:48 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Lando Lincoln:
It's not? Huh. All this time I thought that giant lake 40 minutes away from my house was Lake Michigan.


Okay, I exaggerate a bit.  I also have relatives 40 - 50 minutes away from said "giant lake".  It's nice.  In the summer.


I live 500 feet from it. It's generally nice but these NW winds are not fun right now.
 
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