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2014-01-27 06:34:56 PM

Rwa2play: MayoSlather: Stone Meadow: MayoSlather: I mean don't care if you don't want to, but it's hard not to have empathy for a people that are suffering that kind of oppression.

Loadmaster: Un needs killing.

Granted, but sad as it is that's not our job. They're going to have to work this out. Sure, having the Chinese and Russians would ease the process along, but I am dead-set again the USA stepping in to effect "regime change" in Best Korea.

I agree the US has been too intrusive in the past, and we need to get out the way. However there is a level of abuse where it seems necessary to step in, and I think NK is right about there. We should use every diplomatic channel first though, but real pressure needs to be applied to get China to step in, who seems to have the most clout in the situation.

The ideal scenario for China is for someone to nuclear carpetbomb NK border to border and leave nothing in its wake.  The logistical and economic fallout of a post-regime NK is something no one, not even China, wants to entertain.


Somehow, even from China's perspective, your suggestion sounds less than ideal to me.  Should I assume you've checked out likely prevailing wind currents etc regarding the actual fallout from such an "ideal scenario"? Or are you arguing that any "logistical and economic fallout" would be much worse for them than the  real thing?

Also, wasn't there a thread just a day or two ago regarding all the rare mineral resources to be found in North Korea? Maybe I'm completely mistaken here, but I'm led to believe that nuclear carpet-bombing would make for some difficult considerations regarding the exploitation of those resources.
 
2014-01-27 06:52:42 PM

DrBenway: Rwa2play: MayoSlather: Stone Meadow: MayoSlather: I mean don't care if you don't want to, but it's hard not to have empathy for a people that are suffering that kind of oppression.

Loadmaster: Un needs killing.

Granted, but sad as it is that's not our job. They're going to have to work this out. Sure, having the Chinese and Russians would ease the process along, but I am dead-set again the USA stepping in to effect "regime change" in Best Korea.

I agree the US has been too intrusive in the past, and we need to get out the way. However there is a level of abuse where it seems necessary to step in, and I think NK is right about there. We should use every diplomatic channel first though, but real pressure needs to be applied to get China to step in, who seems to have the most clout in the situation.

The ideal scenario for China is for someone to nuclear carpetbomb NK border to border and leave nothing in its wake.  The logistical and economic fallout of a post-regime NK is something no one, not even China, wants to entertain.

Somehow, even from China's perspective, your suggestion sounds less than ideal to me.  Should I assume you've checked out likely prevailing wind currents etc regarding the actual fallout from such an "ideal scenario"? Or are you arguing that any "logistical and economic fallout" would be much worse for them than the  real thing?

Also, wasn't there a thread just a day or two ago regarding all the rare mineral resources to be found in North Korea? Maybe I'm completely mistaken here, but I'm led to believe that nuclear carpet-bombing would make for some difficult considerations regarding the exploitation of those resources.


With China's increased influence in the world, they're not going to endanger that by nuclear carpetbombing their neighbor, even if their neighbor is a certified loony bin.  If things get too far out of hand, the Chinese Army would crush the Norks and they would re-establish some semblance of order.
 
2014-01-27 07:15:42 PM

wichitaleaf: InterruptingQuirk: I think the reason that we are so offended by this is that the equivalent act here in the U.S. would be killing off some Congressmen or CEOs along with their families and we know that only the poor grunts who we ship overseas are supposed to die. Which is why we only get national brouhaha when the school shootings happen at schools afflicted with affluenza.


/class war is the most fun war

Your a moron.
You do know that most of those "poor grunts" turn out to be very successful people and some even ceo's or congresspersons.


There are dead people serving as CEOs and congresspersons?

The people in the military, including the infantry grunts who make up most of the casualties, come from all economic classes. The thing they tend to have in common is that they come from military families; nobody else tends to join. They won't let you in if you have a criminal record, if you're uneducated or if you're not in good physical health/condition. That lets out most poor kids; they're either too fat/asthmatic, they're high school dropouts, or they have a record. 75 percent of today's young people (18-25) are ineligible for military service for these reasons.

My understanding is that only career military people get a real economic boost from serving. Short-term veterans suffer from higher unemployment rates than non-vets.

/33 years active and reserve and counting
 
2014-01-27 07:37:47 PM

mbillips: wichitaleaf: InterruptingQuirk: I think the reason that we are so offended by this is that the equivalent act here in the U.S. would be killing off some Congressmen or CEOs along with their families and we know that only the poor grunts who we ship overseas are supposed to die. Which is why we only get national brouhaha when the school shootings happen at schools afflicted with affluenza.


/class war is the most fun war

Your a moron.
You do know that most of those "poor grunts" turn out to be very successful people and some even ceo's or congresspersons.

There are dead people serving as CEOs and congresspersons?

The people in the military, including the infantry grunts who make up most of the casualties, come from all economic classes. The thing they tend to have in common is that they come from military families; nobody else tends to join. They won't let you in if you have a criminal record, if you're uneducated or if you're not in good physical health/condition. That lets out most poor kids; they're either too fat/asthmatic, they're high school dropouts, or they have a record. 75 percent of today's young people (18-25) are ineligible for military service for these reasons.

My understanding is that only career military people get a real economic boost from serving. Short-term veterans suffer from higher unemployment rates than non-vets.

/33 years active and reserve and counting



Would you say that the vast majority do not come from upper income homes, excepting the my dad's friend is a Congressman which is how I got my recommendation to one of the military academies so easy group, but rather the vast majority come from lower income homes?

I seem to remember in the last decade the pre-reqs for enlisting were considerably expanded to include certain non-violent offenders, possibility of getting your GED after/during boot, and the Army at least pushed the age limit all the way to 42 for a time.


/thanx for your service
 
2014-01-27 07:57:19 PM

on the road: For historical perspective, there was a similar incident in China during the Civil War.

Although the Japanese had invaded China and occupied a large area, Mao and Chiang Kai-shek were fighting each other.  Temporarily headquartered in Xian,  Chiang Kai-shek's generals wanted to establish a truce with the communists and join forces to fight the foreign invader, but their opinion was overruled.  The generals then basically held hostage Chiang and forced him to agree to a truce.

However, at least according to the tour guide, Chiang had at least some of the conspiring generals assassinated after the war along with their families.


And for even moar historical perspective (and probably more likely a source of inspiration for Kim Joffrey Un): the Nine Familial Exterminations, a very common way of pretty much executing not only the offender but every single motherfarker who might have any sort of connection to them when the offender managed to piss off the emperor personally.  Quite common historically not only in imperial China (which is where Chiang Kai-shek got the idea) but in Joseon-era imperial Korea (which is where it's likely Kim Joffrey Un got the idea, seeing as his whole family has had a serious hard-on for claiming to be the de factor successors to the House of Yi in all but name for the past three generations or so).
 
2014-01-27 08:35:38 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Kim Joffrey Un


Nice...
 
2014-01-27 10:14:00 PM

JohnCarter: FTA: Among those allegedly executed from Thaek's family are his brother-in-law and the country's ambassador to Cuba Jon Yong-jin and Thaek's nephew and ambassador to Malaysia Jang Yong-chol. The two diplomats were both recalled from their positions back to North Korea earlier this month.

So...if you were related to Thaek and were actually NOT in North Korea, why go back when "recalled" when you pretty much know how the play ends?


Because you have family and loved ones still living there?

Coercion.  It's a mutha-farker
 
2014-01-28 02:31:41 PM

namegoeshere: Does anyone know how Dennis Rodman feels about this? Because that's important.

No it isn't, not in the slightest. Although hearing him try to justify the execution of innocent children by his BFF Un might be lulzy.


He needed an excuse to avoid returning the next time Un summons him. Better rehab than taking a chance with his crazy-boy being bloodthirsty.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/18/us/dennis-rodman-rehab/
 
2014-01-28 03:43:51 PM

MayoSlather: The worst human currently on the planet? Probably.


Yeah, Un is like Justin Bieber if he had his own country.
 
2014-01-28 10:50:38 PM

Pangea: namegoeshere: Does anyone know how Dennis Rodman feels about this? Because that's important.

No it isn't, not in the slightest. Although hearing him try to justify the execution of innocent children by his BFF Un might be lulzy.

He needed an excuse to avoid returning the next time Un summons him. Better rehab than taking a chance with his crazy-boy being bloodthirsty.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/18/us/dennis-rodman-rehab/


He was drinking because of the "pressure to be a superhuman political figure"?  I would think most people would like him to start acting like a plain old human first, and then work his way up the ladder to the superhuman shiat.
 
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