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(Capital Journal)   Proposed South Dakota bill would fail kids with reading problems. Bill is flunked by a clinical psychologist. Fark: Subby is the psychologist, who found out about the bill on Fark   (capjournal.com) divider line 30
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2014-01-27 01:06:50 PM
2 votes:
Interesting. Subby, tell me about your mother.
2014-01-27 12:29:39 PM
2 votes:

HeathenHealer: After reading more about this bill it appears everyone here can settle down. One legislator from Eagle Butte proposed this bill with very little support (another legislator wanted to include 3rd grade). It's fairly amusing that someone from Eagle Butte would propose this because it wouldn't even apply to his schools (Reservation covered under Bureau of Indian Education).
It's never going to become law and not being seriously considered. They didn't even propose any specific assessment tool for determining who would be held back. Move along folks, nothing to see...


What kind of academic are you, cutting off an interesting discussion just because it doesn't apply to the real world. :)
2014-01-27 11:19:17 AM
2 votes:

CaptainToast: What if that were YOUR kid?


My kid wouldn't be illiterate in the first place.
2014-01-27 09:45:31 AM
2 votes:
pfft.. you're a chick what wood ewe no?
2014-01-27 05:16:53 PM
1 votes:

blackminded: Been awhile since we've done one of these, but BEHOLD THE POWER OF FARK!


Suck it, Redditors!
2014-01-27 05:03:16 PM
1 votes:
So these kids with dyslexia and other reading disorders get to move along and get called on to read in front of their friends at a higher grade and then die early from astronomical anxiety levels, all because abortion is socially unacceptable in South Dakota?
/I'm sorry.  I couldn't read the article and my mom is helping me type this.
2014-01-27 03:20:15 PM
1 votes:

aerojockey: I was socially retained for third grade, even though I was way, way ahead of my "peers" academically.

I will never ever forgive my parents and the school system for doing that.


That is just what they told you.
2014-01-27 02:20:17 PM
1 votes:
First, good job Subby,

Second, being a psychologist on fark must be like being a mechanic in a junkyard, everywhere you look there is work to be done.

Third, I fully understand, I was terrible at reading when I was young, but excellent at math. I didn't actually progress in reading until late high school and probably didn't get to my current level of reading comprehension until I was 22. I think I would have been very discouraged if I would of been held back.
2014-01-27 12:41:27 PM
1 votes:
so, was this opinion based on your clinical psychology background or based on the popular opinion espoused that day on Fark?
2014-01-27 12:36:26 PM
1 votes:

draypresct: HeathenHealer: After reading more about this bill it appears everyone here can settle down. One legislator from Eagle Butte proposed this bill with very little support (another legislator wanted to include 3rd grade). It's fairly amusing that someone from Eagle Butte would propose this because it wouldn't even apply to his schools (Reservation covered under Bureau of Indian Education).
It's never going to become law and not being seriously considered. They didn't even propose any specific assessment tool for determining who would be held back. Move along folks, nothing to see...

What kind of academic are you, cutting off an interesting discussion just because it doesn't apply to the real world. :)


Sorry! It's an interesting discussion (whether or not to hold kids back) but I was genuinely shocked to see this because I live in South Dakota and had not heard about this bill. I guess that's because no one around here is taking it seriously. I'm glad the rest of the country is busy looking out for us simpletons in South Dakota!!
2014-01-27 12:19:01 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: meat0918: "Hispanic" to be a genetic defect

wut


My reaction exactly.

In short, I hate dealing with racists, but it's a facet of my otherwise fantastic job I have to deal with.

I get to work with some rather simple individuals. These are people of the land. The common clay of America. You know... morons.
2014-01-27 12:04:14 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: super_grass: meat0918: AdmirableSnackbar: when a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

when a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

When a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

Barring issues like ESL, I don't think anything else needs to be said here.

What if the kid is born with some genetic learning disab-

Wait, never mind.

I'll make a list next time it comes up, so it will say ESL or a learning disability, but while ESL is an impediment to learning in an English only school, it's not a disability, and your response could be construed to conflate ESL with learning disabilities.


I was mocking the parents for passing on bad genes...
2014-01-27 11:59:26 AM
1 votes:

hammer85: Big_Fat_Liar: coeyagi: So you're an illiterate. Consider entering a program. Or keep arguing and showing your illiteracy, either way, I could care less.

That was funny, but you spelled "you're" wrong.

No he didn't dumbass.  He spelled "you're" completely correct.

/facepalms


It's I couldn't care less, not I could care less. Maybe he was correcting the wrong error ironically?
2014-01-27 11:55:23 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: AdmirableSnackbar: when a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

when a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

When a second grader can't read well that's not the child's fault, it's the parents' fault.

Barring issues like ESL, I don't think anything else needs to be said here.


What if the kid is born with some genetic learning disab-

Wait, never mind.
2014-01-27 11:39:44 AM
1 votes:

coeyagi: So you're an illiterate. Consider entering a program. Or keep arguing and showing your illiteracy, either way, I could care less.


That was funny, but you spelled "you're" wrong.
2014-01-27 11:34:46 AM
1 votes:
They're gonna have to hold back half the school kids in this wasteland. South Duhkota is currently 50th in education nationally.

Yes, 50th. The one person with critical thinking skills realized last month that attracting decent teachers might be slightly difficult when you pay them peanuts and that raising the pay scale might help. What did the dipshiats in Pierre do? Swept the bill under the rug and pretend it didn't happen.

This place sucks. In every way. Save the few good micro-brewers in the state. They're OK.
2014-01-27 11:24:40 AM
1 votes:
How are the kids at football?

This is important.
2014-01-27 11:14:31 AM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: another issue I haven seen adressed is that the child will repeat the entire grade, the entire curiculum. He doesn't just redo reading, but it's another year of 2nd grade social studies, math, science.  So while the child is getting the work to improve reading, he's probbaly bored out of  his skull redoing a class he's already taken.

Or typically if a child is failing reading comprehension,  perhaps they haven't done well in other classes and maybe a complete redo of the entire  2nd grade is the best thing?


Whatever the proposal is, I emphatically trust in GOP state legislatures to make the right decision when it comes to education.
2014-01-27 10:49:57 AM
1 votes:

Kome: the_foo: Yeah, that wasn't a terribly convincing counter-argument. Maybe you're right, but it also reads a bit like "we can't enforce educational standards because it could hurt our little snowflake's feelings."

Not quite. The social skills and emotional skills that develop during that age, as a result of the relationships we form with our parents, teachers, and classmates, are incredibly important later in life. It's less about the child's feelings, per se, and more about keeping them on a trajectory that allows them to better hone the skills that let them understand the people in their life. The technical term I'm referring to is "theory of mind" which refers the ability of us to attribute mental states - whether cognitive (e.g., beliefs, desires) or affective (e.g., emotions) - to other people based on the information we have about them, including prior experience with that person and perceiving and interpreting the social cues they display during the interaction. These "soft" skills are actually in incredibly high demand these days in a lot of occupations because of the greater reliance on team collaboration, whether intradepartmental, interdepartmental, or interinstitutional. And in contrast to reading, or math, or other useful skills later in life, these "soft" skills are not explicitly taught in school. The takeaway I got from the article was that it's a bad idea because it does not appear to weigh the costs and benefits appropriately, taking into account the other aspects of neuro-cognitive development that would be affected by being held back. Especially given that supplemental instruction would probably go a long way towards fixing reading deficiencies better than holding primary school children back.

/not subby
//cognitive scientist studying social cognition
///personal interest in neuropsychology, though


Not weighing the costs and benefits correctly is the specialty of the SD legislature.
2014-01-27 10:45:08 AM
1 votes:

mod3072: coeyagi: grumpfuff: t3knomanser: Well, subby- dish. Your letter piqued my interest, and I want a more fleshed out argument. My instincts agree with you, but I want evidence and argument.

This, though I can also understand if subby doesn't want her name associated with her Fark handle.

Concur here.  But if I were a SD legilslator who thrives on the rage of Potato-Americans in their constituency, I wouldn't want something like Science to dissuade my opinion that "daffy bastards have no place in society, despite the fact that many of my constituents are alcoholic illiterates who might have had a better chance of succeeding in life if we had just focused more in investing in education rather than unique and supposedly profitable means to kill brown people in order to get their oil."

Wow. You took a story about a bill that was an effort to improve education and help students who are falling behind and somehow managed to turn it into a spittle-flecked rant against the population of an entire state. A rant that misses the mark by a wide margin, I might add. Good jorb!

If you want to argue the merits of whether or not retention in 2nd grade is proper policy, then argue it. You could probably ask 10 different experts on the subject when the appropriate time to start retaining children is, and you would probably get 10 different answers. It's not a cut-and-dried subject. I see people on Fark constantly bemoaning the fact that schools just push students through with no regard to their academic achievement, resulting in HS graduates than can barely read. This is an attempt, misguided or not, to help to rectify that, and you somehow equate that to alcoholism, illiteracy and the desire to murder brown people. I think that says a LOT more about you than it does about the people of SD. It's too bad that your irrational bigotry has blinded you to the point that you cannot even string together a coherent sentence, much less intelligently discuss the topic at hand.


Thank you for proving my point about illiteracy.  Many =/= all.
2014-01-27 10:37:10 AM
1 votes:
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2014-01-27 10:19:53 AM
1 votes:
Then I propose as a follow up plan once they graduate and are not qualified to do their job they should be promoted on a regular basis so their feelings don't get hurt.
2014-01-27 10:03:42 AM
1 votes:

kvinesknows: pfft.. you're your a an chick what wood ewe no?



FTFY

/grammer nazee
2014-01-27 10:02:32 AM
1 votes:
Most of us will agree that baring a serious learning disability most kids should have the ability to meet the early learning standards.   I also think most of us will place the blame squarly on the parrent for not working with their child.  So baring a disability if your yut fails in school you lose your child tax credit.

/proud parrent of 2 amazingly briliant yet agonizingly dumb kids.
2014-01-27 10:00:38 AM
1 votes:
It may hamper them socially, but kids that are held back (gray shirts) tend to do better athletically later on because of the extra growth.

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .
2014-01-27 09:52:17 AM
1 votes:
Shouldn't this be in Geek?  Or is the risk someone will use this as a springboard for arguing for, or against, transgendered restrooms just too great?
2014-01-27 09:34:51 AM
1 votes:

grumpfuff: t3knomanser: Well, subby- dish. Your letter piqued my interest, and I want a more fleshed out argument. My instincts agree with you, but I want evidence and argument.

This, though I can also understand if subby doesn't want her name associated with her Fark handle.


Concur here.  But if I were a SD legilslator who thrives on the rage of Potato-Americans in their constituency, I wouldn't want something like Science to dissuade my opinion that "daffy bastards have no place in society, despite the fact that many of my constituents are alcoholic illiterates who might have had a better chance of succeeding in life if we had just focused more in investing in education rather than unique and supposedly profitable means to kill brown people in order to get their oil."
2014-01-27 09:34:21 AM
1 votes:
So we advance them but advance them to The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too?
2014-01-27 09:27:37 AM
1 votes:

the_foo: Yeah, that wasn't a terribly convincing counter-argument. Maybe you're right, but it also reads a bit like "we can't enforce educational standards because it could hurt our little snowflake's feelings."


It certainly has a NCLB-esque feel to it doesn't it?

They're second graders, though. I wouldn't expect much from them.
2014-01-27 09:17:52 AM
1 votes:
You said "Fark" twice.
 
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