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(Daily Express)   People who use mouthwash increase their chance of suffering a heart attack or stroke. They also increase the chance of getting mouth-to-mouth resuscitation thanks to having minty fresh breath   (express.co.uk) divider line 41
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2014-01-27 07:01:28 AM
I thought nice boobs were the only thing(s) to increase mouth-to-mouth resuscitation odds?
 
2014-01-27 07:07:20 AM
That wasn't nearly a powerful fear-inducing headline, subby.  Try again.
 
2014-01-27 07:08:53 AM
img.fark.net

Ha ha, now you've got the mentos theme song going through your head for the first time in 15 years.

/I do
//Slashies for Foo Fighters
 
2014-01-27 07:15:41 AM
Without RTFA can someone tell me if this is legitimate science or the usual correlation is causation bullshiat?
 
2014-01-27 07:19:19 AM

Lord_Dubu: Without RTFA can someone tell me if this is legitimate science or the usual correlation is causation bullshiat?


The article says one brand in particular, which is made with Chlorhexidine instead of most of them that use alcohol, can kill enough good bacteria to raise your blood pressure if you use it for too long.  The manufacturer says it's for short term use only.

Swish away, the sky's not falling.
 
2014-01-27 07:22:25 AM
Top of article: "YOU WILL DIE IF YOU USE ANY MOUTHWASH!!!1"

Bottom of article: "One type of mouthwash that you've never heard of before contains chlorhexidine, just like antiseptic hand soaps, and if you put it in your mouth it could reduce your mouth's nitrite prduction."

Did different guys write those two halves?
 
2014-01-27 07:32:02 AM
Score another for British oral hygiene .
 
2014-01-27 07:32:12 AM
*RTFT*

I kind of had a feeling this may not have been true simply from the headline.

Otherwise my moderately cute dental hygienist is trying to kill me.

YOU are the one who rubs HER boobs against ME, lady!
 
2014-01-27 07:35:42 AM
It's not an obscure mouthwash at all in Europe, but it is sold as, and explicitly marketed as, a short term medicated solution to gum ulcers.

It's essentially a medicine, not a hygiene product.
 
2014-01-27 07:38:30 AM

Mister Buttons: [img.fark.net image 300x189]

Ha ha, now you've got the mentos theme song going through your head for the first time in 15 years.

/I do
//Slashies for Foo Fighters


Thanks to Janeane Garofalo's stand-up bit, those commercials don't bother me any more.

/'wtf, is that... german?'
 
2014-01-27 07:40:40 AM
(also, is this where I have to whip-out that World Health graph that shows that the UK very high levels of dental health and one of the lowest rates of caries and fillings in the world - considerably below the US - it's just that they don't favour making teeth look nothing like teeth actually look in nature, because a mouthful of shining white tombstones is not in any way normal? It's like the engorged silicone-breasted women of Beverly Hills claiming that everyone else's breasts are weird and awful. It's all body dysmophia)
 
2014-01-27 07:50:20 AM

Bungles: (also, is this where I have to whip-out that World Health graph that shows that the UK very high levels of dental health and one of the lowest rates of caries and fillings in the world - considerably below the US - it's just that they don't favour making teeth look nothing like teeth actually look in nature, because a mouthful of shining white tombstones is not in any way normal? It's like the engorged silicone-breasted women of Beverly Hills claiming that everyone else's breasts are weird and awful. It's all body dysmophia)


I'd imagine any stats would be collected from dentists, so they exclude the 99.998% of Brits they appear to have never been to one.
 
2014-01-27 07:50:55 AM
*that
 
2014-01-27 07:55:44 AM
That's it, I think my dentist is trying to kill me! I had my wisdom teeth removed, and he prescribed this to me, even though I already have high BP. He also prescribed Celebrex to take before the operation. One of the possible side effects is increased BP, and renal failure when taken with the BP medicine I'm taking...
 
2014-01-27 07:57:49 AM

YouSirAreAMaroon: Bungles: (also, is this where I have to whip-out that World Health graph that shows that the UK very high levels of dental health and one of the lowest rates of caries and fillings in the world - considerably below the US - it's just that they don't favour making teeth look nothing like teeth actually look in nature, because a mouthful of shining white tombstones is not in any way normal? It's like the engorged silicone-breasted women of Beverly Hills claiming that everyone else's breasts are weird and awful. It's all body dysmophia)

I'd imagine any stats would be collected from dentists, so they exclude the 99.998% of Brits they appear to have never been to one.


Also, the French all ride bicycles with strings of onions around their neck, Australians all wear cork hats and ride kangaroos, and Canadians all dress like mounties, balls deep in poutine.
 
2014-01-27 08:06:28 AM

finnished: That's it, I think my dentist is trying to kill me! I had my wisdom teeth removed, and he prescribed this to me, even though I already have high BP. He also prescribed Celebrex to take before the operation. One of the possible side effects is increased BP, and renal failure when taken with the BP medicine I'm taking...


Depends.
 
2014-01-27 08:09:18 AM

Speef: Top of article: "YOU WILL DIE IF YOU USE ANY MOUTHWASH!!!1"

Bottom of article: "One type of mouthwash that you've never heard of before contains chlorhexidine, just like antiseptic hand soaps, and if you put it in your mouth it could reduce your mouth's nitrite prduction."

Did different guys write those two halves?


themavesite.com
 
2014-01-27 08:20:32 AM
Lets see, I'm 29 years old and the only dental work that I've ever needed is a root canal because I cracked a tooth.  I think I'll keep to my routine just the way it is thank you.  I bet all the hours and pain that I avoided and the money I have saved more than makes up for the minor increase in my risk of heart attack.  Hell lets just be honest, if I have a heart attack it will be due to smoking and cheeseburgers not my mouthwash.
 
2014-01-27 08:27:27 AM

Egoy3k: Lets see, I'm 29 years old and the only dental work that I've ever needed is a root canal because I cracked a tooth.  I think I'll keep to my routine just the way it is thank you.  I bet all the hours and pain that I avoided and the money I have saved more than makes up for the minor increase in my risk of heart attack.  Hell lets just be honest, if I have a heart attack it will be due to smoking and cheeseburgers not my mouthwash.


This.

/99.9% of studies have been proven to cause irrational fear
 
2014-01-27 08:27:38 AM

Bungles: YouSirAreAMaroon: Bungles: (also, is this where I have to whip-out that World Health graph that shows that the UK very high levels of dental health and one of the lowest rates of caries and fillings in the world - considerably below the US - it's just that they don't favour making teeth look nothing like teeth actually look in nature, because a mouthful of shining white tombstones is not in any way normal? It's like the engorged silicone-breasted women of Beverly Hills claiming that everyone else's breasts are weird and awful. It's all body dysmophia)

I'd imagine any stats would be collected from dentists, so they exclude the 99.998% of Brits they appear to have never been to one.

Also, the French all ride bicycles with strings of onions around their neck, Australians all wear cork hats and ride kangaroos, and Canadians all dress like mounties, balls deep in poutine.


Great, now I'm hungry and horny.
 
2014-01-27 08:28:22 AM
www.phdcomics.com
 
2014-01-27 08:32:08 AM
FTA:

The study, published in the journal Free Radical Biology And Medicine, tracked the blood pressure of 19 healthy people who started using Corsodyl twice a day.


Kind of a small sample size to draw widespread conclusions.  Also, I wonder how respected that journal is?

So far, nothing to see here...
 
2014-01-27 09:22:01 AM
Maybe it's because it's early and I haven't had coffee yet, but I seriously found subby's headline to be damn amusing.
 
2014-01-27 09:36:07 AM
Raises diastolic pressure 2-3 points, so, basically nothing, way less than an erection. Carry on panicmitter.
 
2014-01-27 09:43:52 AM

here to help: Otherwise my moderately cute dental hygienist is trying to kill me.

YOU are the one who rubs HER boobs against ME, lady!


Like the beautiful hygienist I had when I was in high school.  I have very fond memories of her ample bosom rubbing the side of my head.  Once in a while I even got a nice look when she was positioned just so...  I never minded going to the dentist back then.  Good times.

/ah, memories
 
2014-01-27 10:08:05 AM
So, a halitosis-heart attack link, then?
 
2014-01-27 10:16:52 AM

dj_spanmaster: So, a halitosis-heart attack link, then?



Well, there is a link between tooth decay and heart attack. But there's also apparently a link between preventing tooth decay and heart attack.

Everyone loses! Hurrah!
 
2014-01-27 10:20:15 AM

Bungles: dj_spanmaster: So, a halitosis-heart attack link, then?


Well, there is a link between tooth decay and heart attack. But there's also apparently a link between preventing tooth decay and heart attack.

Everyone loses! Hurrah!


I have always assumed that the type of people who don't take care of themselves in the weight and physical fitness area are also less likely to take care of their teeth.  Is there any sort of causal link or just correlation?
 
2014-01-27 10:24:05 AM

Egoy3k: Bungles: dj_spanmaster: So, a halitosis-heart attack link, then?


Well, there is a link between tooth decay and heart attack. But there's also apparently a link between preventing tooth decay and heart attack.

Everyone loses! Hurrah!

I have always assumed that the type of people who don't take care of themselves in the weight and physical fitness area are also less likely to take care of their teeth.  Is there any sort of causal link or just correlation?



I believe it's a probably direct connection. Something to do with theoretical potential bacteria in the bloodstream, although it's all still a little murky.

http://www.webmd.boots.com/oral-health/guide/healthy-teeth-healthy-h ea rt
 
2014-01-27 10:42:39 AM
Read the other articles in the on line rag. Another article claims that Hitler lived to be 95 years old in South America.

/take with a large dose of salt.
 
2014-01-27 10:48:46 AM

Astorix: Read the other articles in the on line rag. Another article claims that Hitler lived to be 95 years old in South America.

/take with a large dose of salt.



The Express is a less vicious, "slightly" less reactionary, "slightly" to the left equivalent of The Daily Mail.

It is not the go-to for accurate medical reporting.
 
2014-01-27 11:27:16 AM
"We are not telling people to stop using antiseptic mouthwashes if they have a gum or tooth infection but we would ask why anyone else would want to."

Because of the multi-million dollar a year sales campaign telling everyone that their mouth is essentially a garbage dump unless they rinse it periodically with some brand of mouthwash. Then they'll have spring fresh breath for those 'intimate' moments, members of the opposite sex will just flock to them and their mouths will feel clean like fresh laundry, while deadly, dangerous plaque will be washed from around their teeth.

If it wasn't sad, it'd be amusing as more and more OTC products we've been encouraged to use since we were kids turn out to have harmful side effects.

Don't get me started on the scores of tooth paste commercials where people dressed as dentists praise their tooth scouring, antibacterial, whitening and cavity diminishing effects. Plus, the benefits of a sweet, minty breath.
 
2014-01-27 11:36:56 AM

Rik01: "We are not telling people to stop using antiseptic mouthwashes if they have a gum or tooth infection but we would ask why anyone else would want to."

Because of the multi-million dollar a year sales campaign telling everyone that their mouth is essentially a garbage dump unless they rinse it periodically with some brand of mouthwash. Then they'll have spring fresh breath for those 'intimate' moments, members of the opposite sex will just flock to them and their mouths will feel clean like fresh laundry, while deadly, dangerous plaque will be washed from around their teeth.

If it wasn't sad, it'd be amusing as more and more OTC products we've been encouraged to use since we were kids turn out to have harmful side effects.

Don't get me started on the scores of tooth paste commercials where people dressed as dentists praise their tooth scouring, antibacterial, whitening and cavity diminishing effects. Plus, the benefits of a sweet, minty breath.


To be fair, the specific brand being talked about is not sold as an everyday mouthwash, it's sold as a short term method of healing gum infections and mouth ulcers. It's sold to treat an actual, real, medical problem.

cdn.images.express.co.uk
 
2014-01-27 11:56:10 AM
i have used mouthwash for years
i had a stroke one and a half years ago
omg it is true
it couldn't be the bad heart valve and bp of 220/110 so
i think i will quit my meds because it was the mouthwash !!!
 
2014-01-27 12:24:55 PM
The active ingredient which kills bacteria (good or bad) is chlorhexidine (gluconate).

I expect that fears that this can increase the risk of heart attacks and stroke is based on the discovery that poor dental health can allow bacteria from the mouth to get into the blood stream where they can damage heart health.

This is probably not a high risk event.

A GIS shows that chlorhexidine is found in anti-bacterial products which are often prescribed for short term treatment of gum disease and similar problems just as the manufacturers of this British product pointed out. You probably wouldn't take these products for a prolongued period of time. Also, the British Dental Association points out that this study has limitations and that only a few products contain the ingredient in question.

One factor which you might consider is that some of the ingredients in tooth past counteract the chlorhexadine's effects, which means that brushing and rinsing may reduce any effect of the mouthwash unless you put several hours between using the two products.

I will check my mouth washes when I get home, but not all mouth washes contain this ingredient. But until then, I will have to have a look at the Monty Python sites for the BDA spy sketch.
 
2014-01-27 12:31:19 PM

genepool lifeboat: Score another for British oral hygiene .


WTF is this "British oral hygiene" thing?
 
2014-01-27 12:42:55 PM

MassAsster: genepool lifeboat: Score another for British oral hygiene .

WTF is this "British oral hygiene" thing?


It's a combination of the old-time Medieval peasant thing which has somehow been ascribed to just the British (because few other English speaking countries existed then), and the focus in British dentistry on oral health, not creating an artificially white, straight mouth (minor tooth odd-angling and actually naturally coloured teeth are not seen as a "bad" thing in the UK, or indeed in most of the Western world outside the US). Braces are only used if your teeth are actually crooked, and whitening only if your teeth are actually discoloured.

Actual oral health (in terms of lack of caries and number of fillings/mouth) is actually better in the UK than most the world, including the US, according to the various global reports of the World Health Organisation.
 
2014-01-27 12:49:01 PM
The bio-film revolution, you stupid farking idiots.
 
2014-01-27 02:55:21 PM
Anything to avoid sewer breath!
 
2014-01-27 02:59:07 PM

Haoie: Anything to avoid sewer breath!


If you floss properly (ideally using a Waterpik or similar) and brush properly (ideally using a Sonicare or similar) then mouthwash is totally superfluous, unless you have some medical issue (like an ulcer, or you don't actually get teeth filled by a dentist, but prefer them to rot).
 
2014-01-27 11:25:26 PM

Bungles: It's not an obscure mouthwash at all in Europe, but it is sold as, and explicitly marketed as, a short term medicated solution to gum ulcers.

It's essentially a medicine, not a hygiene product.


Yes, and alcohol-based mouthwashes put you at risk for oral cancer. So basically, don't use mouthwash. Chew a mint leaf or pop a sorbital mint in your mouth from time to time. Mouthwash doesn't last that long anyway.
 
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