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(CNN)   Not to be outshone by all the attention the by the Grammy awards are getting tonight, Obama says "Hey everyone. Look at me, I'm lobbing missiles into Somalia"   (cnn.com) divider line 275
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2014-01-27 02:01:28 AM

DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).


Like Reagan when he sent ground troops into Grenada? LoL.
 
2014-01-27 02:01:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: So if we intervened in Syria it would be good; but if we intervene in Somalia, it's bad. Or is it that intervening in Syria is for the right reasons (to kill Assad) but intervening in Somalia is for the wrong reasons (to kill some nameless al-Shabab leader)?

I'm so behind on the talking points anymore.


Intervening in Somalia is good because it's a lawless shiathole where they have a documented history of being assholes and supporting regimes that have a documented history of trying to hurt us.

Intervening in Syria is bad because it's a first-world nation with a morally dubious government, but a government that is fully intact and friendly with other nearby states that are gnawing at the bit hoping we or Israel decide to intervene so they can launch World War 3. And any 'documentation' that the government alone was the only guilty party of using chemical weapons is dubious and should be treated with skepticism because it's the same bullshiat Colin Powell sold the Iraq War on. That and in many people's opinions, using chemical weapons is not enough grounds to invade a sovereign territory otherwise we'd have had to invade our own allies for doing the same thing, and we'd have to shut down the CIA for helping Saddam Hussein use chemical weapons on his own people and on the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War. So it's not like our hands were clean, even though Obama tried selling action on Syria based entirely on America needing to be the moral authority on the matter aka playing world police all over again, this time in a new country.
 
2014-01-27 02:01:55 AM

mikaloyd: Gyrfalcon: I'm so behind on the talking points anymore.

Dont step into this with just your own opinion. Know your talking points and their alliances first or you could appear to root for the wrong party. Or even worse you could appear to be a FARK Independent.


Yeah, and see I don't want that. I have to know who to root for and whether this is a bad drone strike or a good drone strike, and why or why not.
 
2014-01-27 02:03:35 AM

DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).

 
2014-01-27 02:04:07 AM
Go Joe! Take that Cobra!
 
2014-01-27 02:04:14 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).

Like Reagan when he sent ground troops into Grenada? LoL.


I'm telling ya man that was serious business they interrupted the Bozo show on WGN for the Bedtime for Bonzo show at the White House : P
 
2014-01-27 02:04:27 AM
Countdown till Republicans go back to their whiny, girlified pinko commie hippy good-for-nothin' peacenik ways like they did when Clinton did his strikes against... bin Laden.
 
2014-01-27 02:05:29 AM

Gyrfalcon: So if we intervened in Syria it would be good; but if we intervene in Somalia, it's bad. Or is it that intervening in Syria is for the right reasons (to kill Assad) but intervening in Somalia is for the wrong reasons (to kill some nameless al-Shabab leader)?

I'm so behind on the talking points anymore.


Huh? It's simple: Anything Obama does is bad. Anything done to oppose Obama is good. End of story.
 
2014-01-27 02:05:34 AM

SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants

 fake national security threats to enrich defense contractors?

FTFY
 
2014-01-27 02:06:31 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Piizzadude: tinfoil-hat maggie: grumpfuff: Piizzadude: I gotta ask because it will come up

Did congress approve this little missile strike?

Timing is neat, though.

"I got it, blow shiat up during the gammy awards, 'murica won't look up from willie nelson for that... we can slide it right by"

Just asking questions, huh?

So quickly they forget it was Reagan that started the I can attack/send troops for 90 days with out congress.

Well there is my answer, thanks Maggie

No Problem. Yea Reagan caused all kinds of discussion over Libya and Grenada but both ended up alright, sure, so no harm no foul.


That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...
 
2014-01-27 02:06:40 AM

Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).


imageshack.com

sorry, ftfm
 
2014-01-27 02:07:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: So if we intervened in Syria it would be good; but if we intervene in Somalia, it's bad. Or is it that intervening in Syria is for the right reasons (to kill Assad) but intervening in Somalia is for the wrong reasons (to kill some nameless al-Shabab leader)?

I'm so behind on the talking points anymore.

No it's only bad if we can't build McDonald's and and Coca-Cola plants. Oh and don't forget let them make Nike's for $2 a day.


If Obama intervenes, it is bad and he should not have intervened. If Obama fails to intervene, it is bad and he should have intervened. If Obama asks us to decide what to do, it is bad and he is an indecisive and shirking his responsibilities as a leader. If Obama doesn't ask, it is bad and he is a would-be emperor.  If Obama now does whatever we already said he should do, back when he wasn't doing it, it is bad and he is trying to make us look bad.
 
2014-01-27 02:07:32 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Countdown till Republicans go back to their whiny, girlified pinko commie hippy good-for-nothin' peacenik ways like they did when Clinton did his strikes against... bin Laden.


How did that turn out for them?
 
2014-01-27 02:07:57 AM

Popular Opinion: Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).

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sorry, ftfm


Wow...she's a cutie...whoever she is.
 
2014-01-27 02:09:06 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Countdown till Republicans go back to their whiny, girlified pinko commie hippy good-for-nothin' peacenik ways like they did when Clinton did his strikes against... bin Laden.


omg, now i've truly seen it all.
 
2014-01-27 02:09:38 AM
Followup: Leader of al Shebab promoted to Shish Kebab.
 
2014-01-27 02:10:04 AM

Harry_Seldon: Popular Opinion: Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).

[imageshack.com image 280x242]

sorry, ftfm

Wow...she's a cutie...whoever she is.


+1

i don't even care what i'm arguing about, so long as i can post that gif over and over.
 
2014-01-27 02:10:42 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: So if we intervened in Syria it would be good; but if we intervene in Somalia, it's bad. Or is it that intervening in Syria is for the right reasons (to kill Assad) but intervening in Somalia is for the wrong reasons (to kill some nameless al-Shabab leader)?

I'm so behind on the talking points anymore.

No it's only bad if we can't build McDonald's and and Coca-Cola plants. Oh and don't forget let them make Nike's for $2 a day.

If Obama intervenes, it is bad and he should not have intervened. If Obama fails to intervene, it is bad and he should have intervened. If Obama asks us to decide what to do, it is bad and he is an indecisive and shirking his responsibilities as a leader. If Obama doesn't ask, it is bad and he is a would-be emperor.  If Obama now does whatever we already said he should do, back when he wasn't doing it, it is bad and he is trying to make us look bad.


Catch-22 was both a great book and movie.
 
2014-01-27 02:10:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.


Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.
 
2014-01-27 02:11:36 AM

Abacus9: The by Grammys? I thought that was called the Tonys.


And I thought they were the Daytime Emmys.
 
2014-01-27 02:13:35 AM

DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.


lots of people had that opinion before they bombed pearl harbor.
 
2014-01-27 02:14:22 AM

JerseyTim: Why would anyone take one of these "senior leader" jobs?


Because their wives and children, friends, neighbors and coworkers, have been raped and tortured to death in CIA secret prisons... for freedom.
 
2014-01-27 02:14:50 AM

DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.


We need to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them at home.

/ 9/11 is closer to the end of the cold war than today
// my tolerance for this is getting mighty thin
 
2014-01-27 02:17:00 AM

Piizzadude: That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...


I grew up in a house all about politics and war, so I picked things up here and there.
 
2014-01-27 02:17:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Piizzadude: That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...

I grew up in a house all about politics and war, so I picked things up here and there.


Atreides?
 
2014-01-27 02:19:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Piizzadude: That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...

I grew up in a house all about politics and war, so I picked things up here and there.


She who controls the spice...
 
2014-01-27 02:20:49 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tinfoil-hat maggie: Piizzadude: That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...

I grew up in a house all about politics and war, so I picked things up here and there.

Atreides?


That right there is funny
 
2014-01-27 02:21:26 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: it was Reagan...


tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea Reagan caused...

tinfoil-hat maggie: Like Reagan...


tinfoil-hat maggie:  Bedtime for Bonzo show at the White House


lol
 
2014-01-27 02:22:10 AM
Monsanto controls the spice now.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:09 AM

Oldiron_79: Farking Canuck: Is this the thread where republicans would be yelling "yeehaw" if it was a republican president. But instead they are screaming "oh the humanity"?

Is this the thread where the democrats who would be screaming "nazi baby killers" if a republican was doing it are yelling "yeehaw"


It's both.  And both sides are well aware of that.  Like there's any difference between either side's "my side good your side bad" rhetoric.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:55 AM
My house got hit by a space drone driven by a blue eyed farkwad who was all whacked on genetically engineered synthetic monsanto spice when I was a kid.
 
2014-01-27 02:27:42 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Oldiron_79: Farking Canuck: Is this the thread where republicans would be yelling "yeehaw" if it was a republican president. But instead they are screaming "oh the humanity"?

Is this the thread where the democrats who would be screaming "nazi baby killers" if a republican was doing it are yelling "yeehaw"

It's both.  And both sides are well aware of that.  Like there's any difference between either side's "my side good your side bad" rhetoric.


So both sides... are bad!
 
2014-01-27 02:28:55 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Oldiron_79: Farking Canuck: Is this the thread where republicans would be yelling "yeehaw" if it was a republican president. But instead they are screaming "oh the humanity"?

Is this the thread where the democrats who would be screaming "nazi baby killers" if a republican was doing it are yelling "yeehaw"

It's both.  And both sides are well aware of that.  Like there's any difference between either side's "my side good your side bad" rhetoric.


You sound like a FARK Independent. Are you a FARK Independent?
 
2014-01-27 02:32:20 AM
A good first step here would be to repeal the AUMF.  I remain somewhat unsure of what this allows the president that he can't achieve in 92 days under the WPR
 
2014-01-27 02:40:00 AM
Unless they're nuclear or in enough quantity to turn Somalia into a parking lot, the job isn't done.
 
2014-01-27 02:46:14 AM

BafflerMeal: http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

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That's a neat infographic. So the overwhelming majority of all deaths were neither children nor civilian, meaning they were adult enemy combatants. And the vast majority of those have come under Obama's reign, as adult civilian deaths decreased, meaning it was Bush that killed most adult civilians with drones. What's even odder is that there is that category for children other than civilian - meaning there were enemy combatant children that had to be targeted.
 
2014-01-27 02:50:16 AM

super_grass: ThrobblefootSpectre: Oldiron_79: Farking Canuck: Is this the thread where republicans would be yelling "yeehaw" if it was a republican president. But instead they are screaming "oh the humanity"?

Is this the thread where the democrats who would be screaming "nazi baby killers" if a republican was doing it are yelling "yeehaw"

It's both.  And both sides are well aware of that.  Like there's any difference between either side's "my side good your side bad" rhetoric.

So both sides... are bad!


Thats a bingo
 
2014-01-27 03:11:08 AM

super_grass: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

We need to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them at home.


Because third-world peasants who have a combined net worth of a few mud huts and some goats, are going to invade and take over America.

/ 9/11 is closer to the end of the cold war than today
// my tolerance for this is getting mighty thin


9/11 was a direct, inevitable and expected result of our foreign policy.
 
2014-01-27 03:13:40 AM

Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

lots of people had that opinion before they bombed pearl harbor.


You can't possibly believe that we were minding our own business up until Pearl Harbor.
 
2014-01-27 03:14:57 AM

DrPainMD: super_grass: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

We need to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them at home.

Because third-world peasants who have a combined net worth of a few mud huts and some goats, are going to invade and take over America.

/ 9/11 is closer to the end of the cold war than today
// my tolerance for this is getting mighty thin

9/11 was a direct, inevitable and expected result of our foreign policy.


You mean helping the Afghans fight the evil soviet commies then ditching them with the repair bill might have somehow fostered ill content toward our country?
 
2014-01-27 03:16:43 AM

grumpfuff: Subby sounds butthurt.

Anyway..

Obama doesn't bomb someone? "WHARGARBL APPEASEMENT WEAKNESS BAD ON FOREIGN POLICY!"
Obama bombs someone? "WHARGARBL PEACE PRICE DRONE HAPPY BOMBER!"

We get it, he's a democrat.


No, he's a peace prize winner.

/Now let's watch him kill more people.
 
2014-01-27 03:23:35 AM

DrPainMD: Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

lots of people had that opinion before they bombed pearl harbor.

You can't possibly believe that we were minding our own business up until Pearl Harbor.


Actually, we pretty much were. Certainly our hands weren't clean in our own hemisphere, and the oil and scrap embargo on Japan was hurting them plenty; but the US didn't have much to do with all the colonies in Asia or the dustup in Europe prior to WWII.

You can believe what you like, of course, and being you, you likely will; but everything prior to Pearl Harbor was all on Europe. That was THEIR fault.
 
2014-01-27 03:23:36 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DrPainMD: Unless Congress has declared war, everybody involved, from Obama all the way down to the guy who pressed the button, should be sitting in jail awaiting trial for first degree murder. All this accomplished is to give more people a valid excuse to hate the US (IOW, mission accomplished).

Like Reagan when he sent ground troops into Grenada? LoL.


Or Lebanon or all over Central America. We spilled a lot of freedom in the '80s. Hell, we bombed Gaddaffi's house and tent. Clinton loved the Tomahawks. GHW Bush invaded farking Panama for Christ's sake, kidnapping their goddam president.

It's all allowed. Since the AUMF was a shiat bill that should never have become law, blowing up terrorists anywhere with whatever munitions the guy in charge wants to play with can be considered prosecuting that war on -ism.
 
2014-01-27 03:43:25 AM

Weatherkiss: DrPainMD: super_grass: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

We need to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them at home.

Because third-world peasants who have a combined net worth of a few mud huts and some goats, are going to invade and take over America.

/ 9/11 is closer to the end of the cold war than today
// my tolerance for this is getting mighty thin

9/11 was a direct, inevitable and expected result of our foreign policy.

You mean helping the Afghans fight the evil soviet commies then ditching them with the repair bill might have somehow fostered ill content toward our country?


Helping the Afghans fight the soviets? Hell, we started the whole thing. There was no fight before we created Al Qaeda, ummm... I mean, the Mujahadeen.
 
2014-01-27 03:46:56 AM

Gyrfalcon: DrPainMD: Popular Opinion: DrPainMD: Satanic_Hamster: SpinStopper: A missile to take out one guy?  isn't that sort of like using hand grenades to get rid of ants?

Might be cheaper then sending in commando unit, especially if there were loses.  Also, there might have been timing/window of opportunity issues.

Cheaper yet would be for us to mind our own business. Can't biatch about them killing us if we're going to be killing them.

lots of people had that opinion before they bombed pearl harbor.

You can't possibly believe that we were minding our own business up until Pearl Harbor.

Actually, we pretty much were. Certainly our hands weren't clean in our own hemisphere, and the oil and scrap embargo on Japan was hurting them plenty; but the US didn't have much to do with all the colonies in Asia or the dustup in Europe prior to WWII.

You can believe what you like, of course, and being you, you likely will; but everything prior to Pearl Harbor was all on Europe. That was THEIR fault.


What I believe is irrelevant. On December 7, we were two weeks away from bombing Japanese troops, and they knew it.
 
2014-01-27 03:54:00 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Piizzadude: That was at the beginning of my "awaking" to the world stage. I was 14 when he got in...

I grew up in a house all about politics and war, so I picked things up here and there.


meh, I wasnt that lucky. Booze and Bibles here...
 
2014-01-27 03:58:57 AM

DrPainMD: What I believe is irrelevant. On December 7, we were two weeks away from bombing Japanese troops, and they knew it.


So what you are saying is  after they bombed us, we started fighting back.  Okay.
 
2014-01-27 04:09:17 AM
Only a bunch of liberals would piss and moan that the US doesn't do something about people like Ikrima and Godane; then biatch about it when we do.
 
2014-01-27 04:15:17 AM

Phony_Soldier: grumpfuff: Subby sounds butthurt.

Anyway..

Obama doesn't bomb someone? "WHARGARBL APPEASEMENT WEAKNESS BAD ON FOREIGN POLICY!"
Obama bombs someone? "WHARGARBL PEACE PRICE DRONE HAPPY BOMBER!"

We get it, he's a democrat.

No, he's a peace prize winner.

/Now let's watch him kill more people.


You don't don't understaaaaand!

America has a duty to eliminate terrorists and radicals. Any dead civilians are just collateral damage, and they probably deserved it for being near or related to suspected terrorists.

It's a tough world, kid, and the ends justifies the means.
 
2014-01-27 04:28:22 AM

super_grass: Phony_Soldier: grumpfuff: Subby sounds butthurt.

Anyway..

Obama doesn't bomb someone? "WHARGARBL APPEASEMENT WEAKNESS BAD ON FOREIGN POLICY!"
Obama bombs someone? "WHARGARBL PEACE PRICE DRONE HAPPY BOMBER!"

We get it, he's a democrat.

No, he's a peace prize winner.

/Now let's watch him kill more people.

You don't don't understaaaaand!

America has a duty to eliminate terrorists and radicals. Any dead civilians are just collateral damage, and they probably deserved it for being near or related to suspected terrorists.

It's a tough world, kid, and the ends justifies the means.



Whoa, careful you guys. It kind of sounds like people might be complaining about this Wartime President and I'm pretty sure that counts as Real Serious Treasony Stuff. Patriotic Real Americans would be very upset if that happened. It would be Giving Aid and Comfort to the terrists he is blowing up, and that's, you know, like totally mutiny, or liberalism or regicide or something.

/press 1 if you know the name of the king or queen being murdered
 
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