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(The Local)   Nazi death camp museum employees use museum's office equipment to produce and distribute anti-Semitic propaganda   (thelocal.de ) divider line
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2014-01-26 08:10:48 PM  
9 votes:
nickdaisy: American Exceptionalism.

Yeah. Here's the thing. The Germans and most of Europe are still heavily ashamed of what happened between 1934 and 1945, and what their average citizens were capable of doing to each other. The holocaust denialism laws were enacted to prevent what had happened in the past with genocides and atrocities - namely them being denied, minimized, and even attempts at justification. They were also enacted during the 1980s due to a rise in ultra-nationalism and the skinhead movement in West Germany, and were kept on the books after unification because of the predominant East German communist attitude of "You're not responsible for the atrocities of World War II, you were good germans for following orders"

Also, it is NOT illegal to read or study Mein Kampf. Where the Germans, and many other European countries get testy is when you start publicly espousing what swell guy Hitler was, and how his ideas were pretty great after all.
2014-01-26 08:34:06 PM  
3 votes:
fta: He had allegedly worked there for over two decades and printed some of the anti-Semitic posters on office equipment.

Ironic or somewhat inevitable?

I'm sure a gig doing graphic design at Nazi death camp museum would appeal to a neo-Nazi nutbag in much the same way that child predators like to work in kid rich environments.

Sick farkers the lot of them.
2014-01-27 12:00:41 AM  
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: In practice the application of the laws has historically been very different from the stated intent, is what I'm getting at here.


Except that the only thing outlawed by Germany is the promotion and glorification of Nazi Ideals and Symbols, and the public denial by authority figures of one of the most well documented and historically investigated atrocities in the history of mankind.

No one is preventing anyone from leaning about Hitler, his philosophies, or his writing.
No one is preventing someone from learning about the Nazis.

What they are, as a society, doing is to prevent his ideals from being glorified in a mass and public way.

Contrary to what is being inferred in this thread, Germany is not having mass bonfires of Mein Kampf. They are not rounding up people for reading it and throwing them in jail.
2014-01-26 10:28:21 PM  
2 votes:

nickdaisy: Obviously this guy is an idiot, but it seems to me that all of those European laws that make it illegal to read Mein Kampf or throw one of those moronic Nazi salutes are a bad idea.

Seems to me the lesson from the fascist era is that we shouldn't vest government with absolute authority to tell us what to think and do-- even if that means a few fools will do foolish things.

I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval. That individual freedom is the surest guard against tyranny-- not a law passed by some politician who is for sale to the highest bidder.

Who's with me?


"All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes- all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of the their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by this remembrance, then we become gravediggers. Something to dwell on and remember, not only on Fark but wherever men walk God's Earth."
2014-01-27 01:42:30 PM  
1 vote:

stonelotus: nah sparky, I'm not a holocaust denier. I'm a holocaust don't-give-a-farker. regardless, whether I believe it happened or didn't, I'm not the one who turned it into an industry, hence the trademark lest someone try to sue me for infringement. and yeah, it's still legislating history, no matter how much you don't want it to be. but hey, maybe you can lobby for some laws to make people care!


Yeah, you don't sound like a denier at all.
2014-01-27 06:11:17 AM  
1 vote:
One of the Big Lies, and this phrase whilst perhaps coined by Hitler definitely did not die with him any more than the technique it described, of German and European history in general, was that the Nazi anti-semtic ideology and the lengths which it was ready to go to was somehow an aberration, a freak of the times. In fact, their program would have never succeeded if it was.
There were in fact huge numbers of people in Germany, in France, Poland, and other occupied territories who thought that, in relation to the Jews, the Nazis had exactly the right idea. Pogroms, expulsions, systematic terror against the Jewish communities wherever they existed had been a fact of life in many parts of Europe where German was only spoken as a second language if it was spoken at all.
Almost everywhere that jackboots struck sparks off the cobblestones, it was merely necessary to announce Nazi policies against the Jewish population to ensure a great number of collaborators would show up. Of course, once the tide of the war turned, and the Nazis suffered defeat, there was a common tendency to hush up about all this.
2014-01-27 06:09:08 AM  
1 vote:

tomerson: The Dogs of War: I worked with this guy a few years who said, and I quote, 'If the holocaust did happen, why are there still Jews?'

First time I was left speechless by someone's stupidity

wow.  i mean wow.


See, that's why we give nazis the right to free speech. They just use it to prove how stupid they are. (Of course, that may not have happened in the USA, but regardless).
/If I remember my History, Poles weren't exactly high on hitler's racial superiority list...
2014-01-27 04:51:44 AM  
1 vote:

nickdaisy: I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval. That individual freedom is the surest guard against tyranny-- not a law passed by some politician who is for sale to the highest bidder.


On the other hand, you let your government kill its citizens. No death penalty anywhere in Europe.

Now, what do you think was the biggest problem with fascism? The "banning books" bit or the "killing people" bit?
2014-01-27 02:39:30 AM  
1 vote:

HortusMatris: They identified one of the men as 50-year-old Krzysztof K. -- omitting his last name because of privacy laws

Because no one's going to be able to figure out which 50-year-old museum graphic artist who's first name is Krzysztof and last name starts with K is the right one.


Well, they would have just used his initials, but since his middle name is Kevin...
2014-01-27 12:28:07 AM  
1 vote:
Fano:

"All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus the Belsens, the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes- all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of the their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by this remembrance, then we become gravediggers. Something to dwell on and remember, not only on Fark but wherever men walk God's Earth."

This.
Bears Repeating


Mr. Eugenides:
This is a model of the Holocaust memorial set to be erected on the Ohio Statehouse lawn this spring

[ad009cdnb.archdaily.net image 528x393]

Will the ACLU be protesting that?  Seems awfully full of religious iconography for statehouse grounds.


Best you not worry your silly little head over that.
It is something you might not comprehend; but
Most everyone else does.
2014-01-26 11:28:53 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: You know who else distributed...

Oh forget it


1.bp.blogspot.com

The gays and gypsies and stuff, yeah, fark 'em.
2014-01-26 11:22:29 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: You know who else distributed...

Oh forget it


Henry Ford?
2014-01-26 10:42:49 PM  
1 vote:
Semi-related CS,B time:

Random dude one day walks into my place of employment to the front desk and asks to use the copier. The receptionist agrees and hands me the info since I was standing buy it. Total crazy anti-Zionist propaganda. I casually handed it back to the guy and stated in a disapproving tone that the printer was broken. Surreal experience.
2014-01-26 10:33:05 PM  
1 vote:
Mein Kopier.
2014-01-26 10:30:00 PM  
1 vote:
It's good for business?

Doubtful.
2014-01-26 10:22:05 PM  
1 vote:

nickdaisy: Obviously this guy is an idiot, but it seems to me that all of those European laws that make it illegal to read Mein Kampf or throw one of those moronic Nazi salutes are a bad idea.

Seems to me the lesson from the fascist era is that we shouldn't vest government with absolute authority to tell us what to think and do-- even if that means a few fools will do foolish things.

I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval. That individual freedom is the surest guard against tyranny-- not a law passed by some politician who is for sale to the highest bidder.

Who's with me?


Nobody with an IQ over room teperature.
Your blog sucks.
2014-01-26 09:18:45 PM  
1 vote:

cman: nickdaisy: Obviously this guy is an idiot, but it seems to me that all of those European laws that make it illegal to read Mein Kampf or throw one of those moronic Nazi salutes are a bad idea.

Seems to me the lesson from the fascist era is that we shouldn't vest government with absolute authority to tell us what to think and do-- even if that means a few fools will do foolish things.

I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval. That individual freedom is the surest guard against tyranny-- not a law passed by some politician who is for sale to the highest bidder.

Who's with me?

Me

The Holocaust was one of the most darkest periods in European history. I can understand their intentions, but as a civilized nation, the government should be there to protect the rights of its citizens.

One of the most near and dear rights we have is freedom of speech in the United States. This has brought us the American Revolution and the KKK. Freedom to speak ones mind must be absolute in order for us to be morally right.


I"m pretty sure that doesn't include using your employer's printing press.
2014-01-26 08:03:02 PM  
1 vote:

nickdaisy: I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval.


Why burn books when no one reads them?
2014-01-26 06:35:31 PM  
1 vote:
Obviously this guy is an idiot, but it seems to me that all of those European laws that make it illegal to read Mein Kampf or throw one of those moronic Nazi salutes are a bad idea.

Seems to me the lesson from the fascist era is that we shouldn't vest government with absolute authority to tell us what to think and do-- even if that means a few fools will do foolish things.

I'm glad people in America aren't rushing out to buy Mein Kampf, but I'm proud we can buy and read whatever we choose to, without the government's approval. That individual freedom is the surest guard against tyranny-- not a law passed by some politician who is for sale to the highest bidder.

Who's with me?
 
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