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2014-01-26 08:19:42 PM
15 votes:
Bob Scheiffer, last of the Old Guard. He wasn't even the middle of the pack of the group. I shudder to think who will be left to question our politicians when he croaks.

One of the greatest threats to our country is not the idiot Teabaggers, far-left loonies (who seem to be seriously outnumbered in the past few decades), and Corporatists... It's the lack of accountability of these people by serious journalists who do not fear for their career and ask the hard questions.

Bob's fantastic in comparison to our modern bloggerettes, but he's no Murrow. He's no Brinkley. Hell, Sam Donaldson was an asshole, but he at least tried to make them answer the goddamn question.

We have no serious newsmen left in this country. We're all worse off for that.
2014-01-26 08:16:16 PM
8 votes:
"Well, Bob, with all due respect, I don't agree with the premise of your question," Cruz replied. "Throughout the government shutdown, I opposed a government shutdown. I said we shouldn't shut the government down. I think it was a mistake that President Obama and the Democrats shut the government down this fall."

If Senator Ted Cruz swallowed a nail he's probably shiat out a corkscrew an hour later.

Everybody with half a brain who had even one eye open during that whole debacle knows that it was Cruz and his teatarded cohorts demanding that they stand together and threaten to shut down the government unless they could (after umpteen failed prior attempts) defund, derail, or at least weaken the ACA aka Obamacare.

It was a massive game of chicken they played. Played and lost.

This shiat may go down a right treat at TP derpfest love-ins but not on a national level.

Good on Scheiffer for laughing in Ted's eminently punchable face.
2014-01-26 08:18:37 PM
6 votes:
He really is a smarmy little biatch.
2014-01-26 04:32:44 PM
6 votes:
Let's not forget, this is the intellectual powerhouse that is supposed to be the future of conservative politics.  How a debt that cannot be incurred without Congressional approval, including the Republican controlled House, is the sole province of the President is a question he should be asked every time he starts with this line of BS.
2014-01-26 09:27:47 PM
5 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: And yet he unquestioningly swallowed W's Iraq nonsense. He's as useless as the rest.


Hey, read about Bob. His brother was appointed Ambassador under W. That's why I said he wasn't even middle-of-the-road. Aside from a few, I like Scott Pelley, we have no real newsmen. Bob is one of the best we have and that should frighten us.

Charlie Rose is good, but who is going to listen to a 15 hour interview? We're bones man.

The beauty of fark is, and has been, it allows me to see stories around the world I would not otherwise see and TRY to figure them out. I'm not a smart man. I just do the best I can. Peter Jennings used to explain it to me in 30 minutes minus commercials.

If anything, we as farkers are witnessing, and have been witnessing the decline of journalism since even before this site was founded.

At least ol' Bob has moments of "WTF? Are you serious?"

I can't even watch the Sunday shows anymore. They are complete bullsh*t. I mean, they always were, but it's just gotten so much worse I'd rather watch Judge Judy.
2014-01-27 12:50:04 PM
4 votes:

SlothB77: It takes two to tango.  One side can't shut down the government.  Both sides have a part.


Because the negotiator has just as much fault as guy with the hostage.
2014-01-27 08:06:45 AM
4 votes:

TDBoedy: Wake Up Sheeple: TDBoedy: Satanic_Hamster: "But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.  Do you call them the democratics? no you don't retard.  you call them democrats.


Wrong.  It's basic English usage.
Democratic is the adjective that describes people who are Democrats just as Swedish is the adjective that describes Swedes.
We say, "the Swedish ambassador attended the party,"  not, "the Swede ambassador attended the party."  The latter sounds off and disrespectful which is exactly why Republic douchenozzles use "Democrat" in situations where "Democratic" is the standard adjective.
2014-01-26 04:09:16 PM
4 votes:

HawgWild: The worst thing about it is Cruz completely believes his own BS.


No he doesn't. But he knows that teabagger idiots do.
2014-01-26 03:46:15 PM
4 votes:
Man, I would've liked for Schieffer to have some of Cruz's quotes from the shutdown ready. That would've been killer.
2014-01-27 08:52:42 AM
3 votes:
I will be emphasizing this in every thread we have, because apparently we're going to be having another shutdown.

Every other developed country in the world blames this on Republicans, and they are furious at Republicans for holding the global economy hostage over a temper tantrum. The ONLY people not blaming Republicans in those countries are Ailies-like rags(ie the Daily Fail).


I know Republicans don't give a shiat what those commies in Europe think, but I figured I'd add a little perspective. Several of my European friends were confused as to why were not storming Washington and arresting/imprisoning those responsible(that means you, Rafael).
2014-01-27 05:12:29 AM
3 votes:

TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.


No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.
2014-01-27 01:33:17 AM
3 votes:

ongbok: It was surreal to see him sit there like that and just lie. Doesn't he know that things that he said in the past have been recorded and are easily accessible? I hope the next reporter he talks to about this have those clips and his quotes ready to slam him when he tries to pass this lie of again. But then in response he will probably say that the Liberal media is unfairly attacking him because they used his own words to prove that he is a liar.


He doesn't care. His constituents don't care. Cruz only says this crap because he knows it will get him re-elected. He's purposely sabotaging the country, and his own party, for his own personal gains. And when you have a whole lot of opportunists pulling crap like this, like the GOP right now, it's a sure sign that the party is falling apart.
2014-01-27 12:03:00 AM
3 votes:
I was going to ask if anyone else thought that Ted Cruz looked like Grandpa Munster, but the internet has my back:

3.bp.blogspot.com
2014-01-26 11:49:39 PM
3 votes:
Don't underestimate Ted Cruz. He's smart, can speak well, all with a complete lack of scruples.
2014-01-26 10:03:03 PM
3 votes:
I had a chance to meet and sit and talk with Bob Schieffer a bunch of years ago in New Hampshire a day or two prior to the New Hampshire primaries.  My wife and I and another couple go up there every four years to enjoy the insanity. We were done for the day and he came back to the hotel he was staying at and we were sitting in the bar.  He saw we noticed him and came over to our table and talked with us for a good half hour.  Nicest person you'd ever want to meet. The man has witnessed so much history and he shared some great stories.  We've met a ton of politicians and news people up there over the years and we've got some awesome stories, but he stands above them all.

/CSB
2014-01-26 09:32:24 PM
3 votes:

i1089.photobucket.com

Yes young ones, at one time network news didn't suck.

2014-01-26 04:02:37 PM
3 votes:
The worst thing about it is Cruz completely believes his own BS.
2014-01-27 12:53:41 PM
2 votes:
I love that the narrative from the Right Wing clowns has gone from "Yay! Government Shutdown!! People Won't even notice!!", to, "Both sides are responsible!!" now that most polls are showing most folks lie the blame for the shut down squarely at the feet of the GOP.

It's the kind of honesty I've come to expect from our brave independent boot-strapping individuals...
2014-01-27 11:42:00 AM
2 votes:

TDBoedy: At the end of the day all federal workers not only continued at their jobs but were given all their back pay for which they were either furloughed or required to work without pay for the duration


I enjoy the handwaving away of little things like Americans not getting their paychecks and the casual dismissal of job security.

These people went 16 days not knowing how many more days, weeks, months the shutdown might continue..  How long can you go without job compensation?  How long can you go and still be expected to show up instead of spending all day looking for employment that *pays*?  How bad was that for the economy when all those workers clamped down their wallets, and likely remain in a clamped-down state even now?

There is always a subtle subtext in such discussion as if govt non-essential employees are not only unneeded positions but barely human at all.  These are *people* you're talking about not faceless drones, they're workers with families who were worried if they'd be able to make their house payment, keep the electricity on, feed their children.  And "non-essential" is just a time-sensitivity classification meaning if the job doesn't get done that day we'll manage to limp along unlike mission-critical positions, we're not going to shut down law enforcement but we will send home clerks who handle the legal paperwork that keeps the judicial system moving forward.  Thats fine for the isolated snow day but those "non-essential" positions do become essential over time.
2014-01-27 09:15:30 AM
2 votes:

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


Wrong.  The tea party's demands were so unreasonable that the regular GOP voted against them when it finally came to house vote.  It was Boehner's refusal to bring the budget to a vote that shut down the government.
2014-01-27 08:53:47 AM
2 votes:

DrBenway: keylock71: TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10

Nah... You stated it was "Improperly" used. You explained nothing, except for the partisan fantasy land you apparently live in.

I'm left wondering why the only thing worth their attempting a rebuttal for was this minor "Democrat" vs "Democratic" bit rather than the more substantial points raised by Wake Up Sheeple, for instance.


Because statements such as this:

TDBoedy: There were a minority of federal employees (some in the US reserve forces) that were sent home for a couple weeks vacation.  At most it put a small amount of financial stress on them.   But these were non-essential positions for day to day operations.  The amount of butthurt was disproportionate to what was actually going on.


are the sole territory of lying lyars.  And the intentional use of the term "Democrat Party" is a 100% indicator that a person's statements will be highly dishonest.
2014-01-27 07:04:38 AM
2 votes:
2014-01-27 06:38:31 AM
2 votes:
Ted Cruz is the death mask of a the United States.
He personifies everything that's wrong with our political system: cruelty, self loathing, denial of heritage, deceit, corruption, mental illness, cognitive dissonance, glib ignorance, articulate mendaciousness.
2014-01-27 04:14:18 AM
2 votes:
What I took away from that 3-minute smugfest is that Cruz has every intention to hold the nation hostage again come February 7.
2014-01-27 03:12:57 AM
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Peter von Nostrand: And yet he unquestioningly swallowed W's Iraq nonsense. He's as useless as the rest.

Hey, read about Bob. His brother was appointed Ambassador under W. That's why I said he wasn't even middle-of-the-road. Aside from a few, I like Scott Pelley, we have no real newsmen. Bob is one of the best we have and that should frighten us.

Charlie Rose is good, but who is going to listen to a 15 hour interview? We're bones man.

The beauty of fark is, and has been, it allows me to see stories around the world I would not otherwise see and TRY to figure them out. I'm not a smart man. I just do the best I can. Peter Jennings used to explain it to me in 30 minutes minus commercials.

If anything, we as farkers are witnessing, and have been witnessing the decline of journalism since even before this site was founded.

At least ol' Bob has moments of "WTF? Are you serious?"

I can't even watch the Sunday shows anymore. They are complete bullsh*t. I mean, they always were, but it's just gotten so much worse I'd rather watch Judge Judy.


You are saying the truth about what this website really offers. I started lurking here at about 16 or 17, and this website has played a major role in shaping my view of the world because of the civil debate that seriously occurs here (as long as you farky the trolls).

I regret not attempting to be any real part of the community, because I've gotten so much out of being an avid visitor. It's a community that I feel like I belong to in some way, even if I don't participate in it nearly enough.
2014-01-27 12:43:15 AM
2 votes:
It was surreal to see him sit there like that and just lie. Doesn't he know that things that he said in the past have been recorded and are easily accessible? I hope the next reporter he talks to about this have those clips and his quotes ready to slam him when he tries to pass this lie of again. But then in response he will probably say that the Liberal media is unfairly attacking him because they used his own words to prove that he is a liar.
2014-01-27 12:04:35 AM
2 votes:
He looks like a 3rd tier guest preacher on the 700 Club during their heyday.
2014-01-26 11:54:01 PM
2 votes:
I didn't murder that man, he failed to compromise with me on the decision to place a bullet into empty air.
2014-01-26 11:48:51 PM
2 votes:

Piizzadude: I just REALLY never noticed how much he looks like a rat in that video. I just couldnt get past it.

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Dude, that is COMPLETELY unfair.

Rats can make loving, intelligent, and impressively affectionate pets. Hell, you can even train them to scramble off you and back into their cage when they need to go to the bathroom.

Seriously, comparing them to Ted Cruz? That's just low, man.
2014-01-26 11:48:48 PM
2 votes:
You shut your pie-hole, Bob Schieffer!

I WANT Rafael Cruz to be the GOP nominee for POTUS just so I can watch him squirm when Hillary lights into him during their first debate. The little piss-ant is gonna go down worse than Mondale.
2014-01-26 10:15:19 PM
2 votes:
Ted Cruz is a living "NO YOU" jpg.
2014-01-26 09:57:55 PM
2 votes:
The ability of Republicans to rewrite history on the fly amazes me.
2014-01-26 03:24:43 PM
2 votes:
Ol' Bob's not buying whatever it is you're selling, Sen. Punchface.
2014-01-27 01:35:34 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: What branch of the federal government has the responsibility of appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government?

The federal government was designed to have the house in charge of the money for good reason.


That's fundamentally false.  The constitution does not say the house is in charge of the money.  The constitution very clearly demands that the Senate, House and POTUS must all agree and if they do not agree, there are ways to overrule the POTUS.  There is no way to overrule the Senate, which means the House and Senate are equally in charge.

The only thing the Constitution did was design this process to BEGIN in the House.

It would have been exceptionally simple to write the Constitution to give the House sole power over the purse strings.  It did not.

Section 7.
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate
in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law.


The best part is you mocked people to think back to 6th grade, and then you proceeded to demonstrate your own fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.  Are you currently in 5th grade?  Because by your own metric, you're stupider than a 6th grader.
2014-01-27 01:24:08 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: How so?


Like this:

Is it not the House's job to appropriate funds?

Yes, it is.

Are they Is the Senate not an equal arm of, and check on government?

Why, yes! Yes, it is!

You're wrong.  Own it.
2014-01-27 01:00:21 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: Deucednuisance: He's right, and you're wrong about the whole Separation of Powers thing.


How so?  Is it not the House's job to appropriate funds?  Are they not an equal arm of, and check on government?  Are they obligated constitutionally rubberstamp the spending wishes of the other house and branches of government?

This is the separate power delegated to the house of reps.


Well, you apparently think the Senate (or the President, for that matter) is obligated constitutionally to rubberstamp the spending wishes of the House.
2014-01-27 12:44:00 PM
1 votes:

TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10


We know you're an idiot so yeah.
2014-01-27 12:10:47 PM
1 votes:

the opposite of charity is justice: TDBoedy: At the end of the day all federal workers not only continued at their jobs but were given all their back pay for which they were either furloughed or required to work without pay for the duration

I enjoy the handwaving away of little things like Americans not getting their paychecks and the casual dismissal of job security.

These people went 16 days not knowing how many more days, weeks, months the shutdown might continue..  How long can you go without job compensation?  How long can you go and still be expected to show up instead of spending all day looking for employment that *pays*?  How bad was that for the economy when all those workers clamped down their wallets, and likely remain in a clamped-down state even now?

There is always a subtle subtext in such discussion as if govt non-essential employees are not only unneeded positions but barely human at all.  These are *people* you're talking about not faceless drones, they're workers with families who were worried if they'd be able to make their house payment, keep the electricity on, feed their children.  And "non-essential" is just a time-sensitivity classification meaning if the job doesn't get done that day we'll manage to limp along unlike mission-critical positions, we're not going to shut down law enforcement but we will send home clerks who handle the legal paperwork that keeps the judicial system moving forward.  Thats fine for the isolated snow day but those "non-essential" positions do become essential over time.


Here's a nice story about what a "minor inconvenience" it was:

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/08/243858348/budget-office-examines-cost- of -partial-government-shutdown

I can't seem to find the one I was looking for, about an entire town that makes it's living serving the visitors to a National Park, and the fact that a number of them are having to close their doors, because even a few weeks lost from their High Season means they can't pay their bills and rents.

So, a little political intransigence from a tiny minority just destroyed a non-zero number of Small Businesses, for absolutely nothing.

Just a "minor inconvenience", though.
2014-01-27 11:00:40 AM
1 votes:

Tyee: What branch of the federal government has the responsibility of appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government?  Think back to 6th grade civics.


See, you should have learned something past the sixth grade level.  Or are you saying that no matter how destructive or ridiculous the House's plan for "appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government" is, the other two branches should just rubber stamp it because the House said so?

Checks and balances.  I think that's covered in 7th grade.  With a little luck, I think you just might make it!
2014-01-27 09:36:05 AM
1 votes:

TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10


What's"hilarious" is that despite your unctuous smugness on this matter, you don't seem to understand the difference between a Noun and an Adjective.
2014-01-27 09:18:18 AM
1 votes:
Man, this shiatstain made his NAME on the farking shutdown. He became the go to guy to fight FOR the shutdown, and now he expects people to believe that he was against it all along?
2014-01-27 09:16:57 AM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


Amazing how many people still can't understand that many in the GOP were championing a shut down and pushing for and that Boehner refused to allow a vote on a clean funding bill minus all the ACA sour grapes the GOP wanted to stuff it with...
2014-01-27 09:07:10 AM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


Hey look, you're being wrong as usual.

/how DARE democrats not give in to republican demands
2014-01-27 07:42:55 AM
1 votes:

DrBenway: I'm left wondering why the only thing worth their attempting a rebuttal for was this minor "Democrat" vs "Democratic" bit rather than the more substantial points raised by Wake Up Sheeple, for instance.


Oh, there's nothing to wonder about... They've got nothing.

The GOP owns the shut down. I think some of them, Cruz particularly, thought the shut down would be heralded and celebrated by the majority of Americans. Didn't quite turn out that way for them.
2014-01-27 07:36:47 AM
1 votes:
Wake Up Sheeple:   TDBoedy:  Do you call them the democratics? No, you call them democrats.

The Democratic National Committee promotes the election of Democrats.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee serves as....electing Democrats.



Perhaps 'Democratic' refers to party/organization where 'Democrats' refers to actual people?
2014-01-27 07:26:08 AM
1 votes:
When he runs he'll point to shutting down the government as an accomplishment.
2014-01-27 07:14:06 AM
1 votes:

liam76: TDBoedy: There were a minority of federal employees (some in the US reserve forces) that were sent home for a couple weeks vacation. At most it put a small amount of financial stress on them. But these were non-essential positions for day to day operations.

I am sure you can back that up.


Then why did Senator Cruz and others stage their photo ops at the monuments? They seemed to want people to believe that these were "essential" services that should have not been shut down.
2014-01-27 07:09:51 AM
1 votes:
Every time I overhear one of those Sunday Morning pundit shows, I get annoyed by all the lies being tossed around, and turn it off if I can.  Heard one of them yesterday, don't know if it was this one, but when it was just Bill Krystol spouting off by himself, it's past time to turn it off.
2014-01-27 07:03:21 AM
1 votes:
It's unbelievable ... unconscionable.

He's a Senator of the United States of America and fancies himself as presidential material and yet he conducts himself like one of the trolls that frequent fark's political tab, all bluster and lies.

He reminds me of that Clowncar moron who's been shiattin up threads lately ... a self-admitted troll who thinks he's "winning" with merely a string of bald assertions, stupid, easily dis-proven lies and professing that citations aren't necessary; that people who don't just accept his version of the "truth" can just be safely discounted ... and then is genuinely surprised when no one takes him seriously.

Rafael Eduardo Cruz graduated from Princeton, then Harvard with honors ... went on to be Solicitor General of Texas ... and is now a f*cking Senator ... and yet is retarded enough to think that enough people will buy this schtick?

What. The. fark.

Does he really think that this is his best path to the Presidency? Is the man f*cking serious? The man has the gravitas of a f*cking fark troll.

F*ck off.

/still hasn't managed to convince Canada to cut him loose yet either
//what's the hold up Eduardo?
/// he's an illegal alien, that's the hold up
2014-01-27 06:59:50 AM
1 votes:

keylock71: TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10

Nah... You stated it was "Improperly" used. You explained nothing, except for the partisan fantasy land you apparently live in.


I'm left wondering why the only thing worth their attempting a rebuttal for was this minor "Democrat" vs "Democratic" bit rather than the more substantial points raised by Wake Up Sheeple, for instance.
2014-01-27 06:31:05 AM
1 votes:

TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10


Nah... You stated it was "Improperly" used. You explained nothing, except for the partisan fantasy land you apparently live in.
2014-01-27 06:16:40 AM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Peter Jennings used to explain it to me in 30 minutes minus commercials.


That man is the only reason I got through 9/11 sane. He, and Cronkite before him, were the only reason we turned on the TV except for entertainment shows. When Dan Rather took over the evening news, his first story was about kids having their guts sucked out by backyard pool filters. Never watched him again.

And to demonstrate just how low our media have sunk, our local CBS affiliate cut away from CBS Sunday Morning's 35th anniversary show to give us a half hour AW fest with a local sheriff who had made an arrest the day after the mall shooting here.

Are you kidding me?

I haven't watched any news programming but PBS (Frontline is a national treasure) and Face the Nation for decades.

As you said, Fark is invaluable for exposing me to stories I might not hear and helping shape my understanding of the ones that dominate the cycle. I just wish more Americans were seeking out this kind of challenging--and funny and geeky and wonky--source for information. I fear we are really becoming a nation of Orwellian robots.
2014-01-27 04:38:34 AM
1 votes:
I don't believe that we have a shortage of good newsmen so much as we have a growing tendency on the part of the GOPs politicians to avoid being interviewed by anyone that might challenge their versions of reality. They appear on networks and with interviewers who are completely sympathetic to their positions and who lob them softball, prepared questions.
2014-01-27 04:15:48 AM
1 votes:

TDBoedy: Satanic_Hamster: "But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

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well its partially true.

Here is what happened.  The House passed multiple bills funding each individual department of the federal government.  The Senate and President opposed this.  The reason they did this (and it is the way every department used to be funded before the atrocity of omnibus spending bills was introduced) was so they could carve out the funding for the federal part of the affordable care act.

This means that all non-affordable care act related departments would have had their checking accounts full much earlier with appropriated monies.  However the government was shut down since the house alone cannot dictate policy.  Spending bills must ORIGINATE, but cannot be solely passed into law by the house of representatives.

The Democrat members of the Senate decided that they would obstruct the house republican efforts and the Senate republicans tried to avoid cloture votes which is what most people refer to as the filibuster...inaccurate, but its what people mean since "cloture" is a word trending about as fast as bloviate (not even in my computer's dictionary atm).   The democrats finally threw out the need for cloture by a majority vote to change the senate rules (widely referred to as "THE NUCLEAR OPTION") and was bandied about by the republicans under GWB and widely panned by their opponents as stepping on the rights of the minority party etc etc etc. (It isn't fascism when we do it etc.)

And so Bob Schieffer, a man who lets politicians and bureaucrats lie to him regularly as a course of doing business acts incredulous that Ted Cruz would say something ridiculous.  The Congress in both houses shut down the government...all 17% of it...and played out a piece of political theater about as entertaining as a root canal and similarly painful because it was politically managed to be as painful as possible.  At the end ...


Nope. The only thing you got right were the individual spending bills vs the one clean bill.

In fact, it wasn't Ted Cruz who shut down the government, it was Speaker of the House John Boehner. He alone controls which bill comes to the House floor for a vote. The government was shut down from Oct 1 through Oct 17, because John Boehner wouldn't allow the clean bipartisan bill to come to a vote. When he finally caved, his own party had defected and voted for the clean bill. In fact, a discharge petition was being readied to go around him; so he had no choice, or potentially lose even his speakership.

The Senate didn't remove the filibuster for the continuing resolution. The filibuster was removed to allow votes on nominees, because the GOP weren't allowing any.

But, I can tell by your phrase "Democrat members" instead of Democratic members (do you also say Republic members?), your reply will cement the reason I'm highlighting you.
2014-01-27 03:51:33 AM
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I HAVE YOU ON RECORD YOU BAGGY FACED COMMUNIST FUTHERMUKER



http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-c o lleagues-government-shutdown-97753.html


Some GOP colleagues angry with Ted Cruz

A number of GOP senators blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess. | AP Photo
By MANU RAJU | 10/2/13 7:31 PM EDT Updated: 10/3/13 2:45 PM EDT

Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.

At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate's Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown - or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.

[snip]

Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.

Cruz's response: "I will not," according to an attendee.

"It seems that there is nothing the media likes to cover more than disagreements among Republicans, and apparently some senators are content to fuel those stories with anonymous quotes," Cruz told POLITICO. "Regardless, my focus - and, I would hope, the focus of the rest of the conference - is on stopping Harry Reid's shutdown, ensuring that vital government priorities are funded, and preventing the enormous harms that Obamacare is inflicting on millions of Americans."

But as the government shutdown heads into day three, a number of Republican senators privately blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess their party finds itself in. And now that they're in it, they say it's up to Cruz to help find a solution.

"It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn't have a strategy - he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was," said one senator who attended the meeting. "I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch."

Over the August recess, Cruz made the rounds with conservative media and held rallies to call on his GOP colleagues to oppose any bill to keep the government running that would also continue funding Obamacare. As he won support on the right and among several dozen House conservatives, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) agreed to include the Obamacare defunding provision in a bill to keep the government running past Tuesday.

Cruz's tactics culminated in a controversial 21-hour floor speech, where he derided many of his colleagues for lacking the courage to fight Obamacare. But because of complicated Senate procedures, he was calling on his 45 other GOP colleagues to filibuster the same House bill he endorsed - in order to prevent Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) from later stripping out that language.

At the Wednesday lunch, Cruz was asked what he would have done had GOP senators united to filibuster the House bill.

"He kept trying to change the subject because he never could answer the question," the senator said. "It's pretty evident it's never been about a strategy - it's been about him. That's unfortunate. I think he's done our country a major disservice. I think he's done Republicans a major disservice."



Also, a video, Quie2bed for your protection, [just press the Play button] and a pertinent comment from a YouTuber.

Pay attention to what Senator Flabface McChucklef*ck says about the petition.

Shaun-Adrian Chofla
3 months ago

So again, for clarification purposes you irresponsibly dangerous ideologue - the damage you afflicted on others was because you didn't like a law that passed? Folks were furloughed, denied housing loans, and households and livelihoods threatened financially because of your ideology?
It wasn't about a budget, it was about a bill you didn't like that had already been signed into law
and even visited the US Supreme Court for their review.
2014-01-27 03:18:42 AM
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Satanic_Hamster: "But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 375x500]


well its partially true.

Here is what happened.  The House passed multiple bills funding each individual department of the federal government.  The Senate and President opposed this.  The reason they did this (and it is the way every department used to be funded before the atrocity of omnibus spending bills was introduced) was so they could carve out the funding for the federal part of the affordable care act.

This means that all non-affordable care act related departments would have had their checking accounts full much earlier with appropriated monies.  However the government was shut down since the house alone cannot dictate policy.  Spending bills must ORIGINATE, but cannot be solely passed into law by the house of representatives.

The Democrat members of the Senate decided that they would obstruct the house republican efforts and the Senate republicans tried to avoid cloture votes which is what most people refer to as the filibuster...inaccurate, but its what people mean since "cloture" is a word trending about as fast as bloviate (not even in my computer's dictionary atm).   The democrats finally threw out the need for cloture by a majority vote to change the senate rules (widely referred to as "THE NUCLEAR OPTION") and was bandied about by the republicans under GWB and widely panned by their opponents as stepping on the rights of the minority party etc etc etc. (It isn't fascism when we do it etc.)

And so Bob Schieffer, a man who lets politicians and bureaucrats lie to him regularly as a course of doing business acts incredulous that Ted Cruz would say something ridiculous.  The Congress in both houses shut down the government...all 17% of it...and played out a piece of political theater about as entertaining as a root canal and similarly painful because it was politically managed to be as painful as possible.  At the end of the day all federal workers not only continued at their jobs but were given all their back pay for which they were either furloughed or required to work without pay for the duration (Fish & Game/Federal Parks Service as an example).

Bob Should be punching Ted in the face, but only after he's done punching himself in the groin for being a shill.  83% of the Federal government is apparently 'necessary'.  No on missed social security payments or medicaid/Medicare payments.  The military didn't stand down and the FBI didn't cease its investigations.  Obama still got his paycheck and the congress still got paid.  FEMA ran just fine and so did many other divisions like the Justice Department and the CIA/NSA/NRO/DIA/COINTELPRO/whatever.

There were a minority of federal employees (some in the US reserve forces) that were sent home for a couple weeks vacation.  At most it put a small amount of financial stress on them.   But these were non-essential positions for day to day operations.  The amount of butthurt was disproportionate to what was actually going on.  You can call it a cheap republican stunt if you want, but at the end of the day they passed bills funding everything except the affordable care act as congress has the absolute right to do with any department or agency in the federal government.

/dealwithitcrybabies
//Bob needs a diaper change
2014-01-27 02:46:22 AM
1 votes:
I spent 15 minutes trying to come up with something clever and funny to post, but knowing that Cruz will get away with this thanks to the United Derps of 'Murica just pisses me off too much.
2014-01-27 01:32:39 AM
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Jim_Callahan: He's pretty much got to be either a true believer or dumber than a bag of hammers to be sticking to his guns here.


Probably neither. He is likely a sociopath.
2014-01-27 01:23:07 AM
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Speaker2Animals: But Rafael's true believers don't care what Schieffer thinks.


www.nashvillescene.com
2014-01-27 01:01:33 AM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: The beauty of fark is, and has been, it allows me to see stories around the world I would not otherwise see and TRY to figure them out. I'm not a smart man. I just do the best I can. Peter Jennings used to explain it to me in 30 minutes minus commercials.


I think PBS still carries that banner.
2014-01-27 12:57:49 AM
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NewportBarGuy: Bob Scheiffer, last of the Old Guard. He wasn't even the middle of the pack of the group. I shudder to think who will be left to question our politicians when he croaks.

One of the greatest threats to our country is not the idiot Teabaggers, far-left loonies (who seem to be seriously outnumbered in the past few decades), and Corporatists... It's the lack of accountability of these people by serious journalists who do not fear for their career and ask the hard questions.

Bob's fantastic in comparison to our modern bloggerettes, but he's no Murrow. He's no Brinkley. Hell, Sam Donaldson was an asshole, but he at least tried to make them answer the goddamn question.

We have no serious newsmen left in this country. We're all worse off for that.


Well, we do have Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki and Chris Hayes.
2014-01-27 12:45:58 AM
1 votes:
Wow, Ted Cruz is even crazier than I thought.
2014-01-27 12:38:53 AM
1 votes:
"But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

3.bp.blogspot.com
2014-01-27 12:08:25 AM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Bob Scheiffer, last of the Old Guard. He wasn't even the middle of the pack of the group. I shudder to think who will be left to question our politicians when he croaks.

One of the greatest threats to our country is not the idiot Teabaggers, far-left loonies (who seem to be seriously outnumbered in the past few decades), and Corporatists... It's the lack of accountability of these people by serious journalists who do not fear for their career and ask the hard questions.


I would argue that the corporatists are the ones responsible for the lack of accountability. When TV news is just another profit center there's no reason to bother with hard-hitting journalism when you can just run another story about the Kardashians.
2014-01-26 11:52:39 PM
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jake_lex: mediablitz: This poll was taken right as the shutdown was ended:

While Cruz has received much criticism from Democrats and moderate Republicans, tea party activists have rallied to support Cruz. In a recent Pew poll, Cruz's favorability rating among tea partiers soared to 74 percent, up from 47 percent in July. By contrast, his favorability among more moderate members of the Republican Party is 25 percent

Cruz knows Tea Partiers love the lie. They WANT America to implode, and he's their guy. I just don't get why he isn't honest. He base LOVES that he tried to destroy government.

Yeah, I don't know why he keeps up this "I didn't shut down the government, Fartbongo did it" bullshiat.  His supporters love him for shutting down the government, and everyone else doesn't believe him.  It's a weird lie to stick to.


Because he's running for President. You can't win on the "I shut down the government" ticket, but you can on the rewrite history and blame those dastardly democrats *twirls mustache* ticket
2014-01-26 11:46:02 PM
1 votes:
The man's a farking psychopath. I hope to $deity he never gets re-elected to anything, not even dogcatcher.
2014-01-26 11:40:46 PM
1 votes:
I just REALLY never noticed how much he looks like a rat in that video. I just couldnt get past it.

www.voodoobrown.commedia.salon.com
2014-01-26 11:36:52 PM
1 votes:

mediablitz: This poll was taken right as the shutdown was ended:

While Cruz has received much criticism from Democrats and moderate Republicans, tea party activists have rallied to support Cruz. In a recent Pew poll, Cruz's favorability rating among tea partiers soared to 74 percent, up from 47 percent in July. By contrast, his favorability among more moderate members of the Republican Party is 25 percent

Cruz knows Tea Partiers love the lie. They WANT America to implode, and he's their guy. I just don't get why he isn't honest. He base LOVES that he tried to destroy government.


Yeah, I don't know why he keeps up this "I didn't shut down the government, Fartbongo did it" bullshiat.  His supporters love him for shutting down the government, and everyone else doesn't believe him.  It's a weird lie to stick to.
2014-01-26 10:08:36 PM
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Let's not forget, this is the intellectual powerhouse that is supposed to be the future of conservative politics.


Don't underestimate the political utility of being able to spout bullshiat with a sincere-looking poker face.

NewportBarGuy: Hell, Sam Donaldson was an asshole, but he at least tried to make them answer the goddamn question.


Give Bob his due; he actually repeated some of his questions in this one, because Cruz was slinging such abjectly delusional evasive BS.
2014-01-26 08:26:45 PM
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NewportBarGuy: We have no serious newsmen left in this country. We're all worse off for that


Fark needs a "Sad but True" button.
2014-01-26 04:39:27 PM
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propasaurus: HawgWild: The worst thing about it is Cruz completely believes his own BS.

No he doesn't. But he knows that teabagger idiots do.


Are you sure? Look into his eyes as he says that stuff. He believes it. It's why he voted for budget bills piecemeal.
 
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