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2014-01-27 10:39:54 AM
What branch of the federal government has the responsibility of appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government?  Think back to 6th grade civics.   Is it the judicial branch?  The supreme court?  No. Is it the Executive branch, the president? No. Is it congress?  Yes, more specifically it is the House of Representatives that has that responsibility, and not Harry Reid and the Senate.  The House has this responsibility, which is why they have the most members, the reason they serve the shortest terms, the reason they closest relationship to the citizenry and which is making them the most recently elected and easily accountable body of the federal government.  They hold the purse strings for a reason most importantly because they are the most accountable to the public and the fastest and easiest to replace.  It is the job of the house to spend or not to spend at the direction of the people who most recently elected them.
The federal government was designed to have the house in charge of the money for good reason.  When the other body of congress and/or branches of government refuse to cooperate with the citizen's most directly controlled body of government its because they are not as well held in check by the voting public.  Let's remember the house was recently elected to operated in this manner, they were instructed or mandated if you will, by the citizenry.   "The people"  elected the House to do their fiscal or spending management, the Senate to do the law making, and the president to run the executive branch.  When the house does it's job at the bidding of citizens it is at least equally if not more the fault of the other branches and houses when the government closes over fiscal matters.
Propagating the myth that doing the sworn duty of managing "the people's" financial affairs in the manner to which the representatives were recently instructed and elected to do, is "the" problem.  The fact that other branches don't like how the house does it's duty isn't the problem, them not dealing with the house is the problem, its their job..
 
2014-01-27 10:40:00 AM
Honestly, I'd've gone with "Old man laughs at clown", but that's just me...
 
2014-01-27 10:50:04 AM

TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used. Do you call them the democratics? no you don't retard. you call them democrats.


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2014-01-27 10:56:07 AM

Kittypie070: I HAVE YOU ON RECORD YOU BAGGY FACED COMMUNIST FUTHERMUKER

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-c o lleagues-government-shutdown-97753.html

Some GOP colleagues angry with Ted Cruz

A number of GOP senators blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess. | AP Photo
By MANU RAJU | 10/2/13 7:31 PM EDT Updated: 10/3/13 2:45 PM EDT

Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.

At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate's Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown - or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.

[snip]

Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.

Cruz's response: "I will not," according to an attendee.

"It seems that there is nothing the media likes to cover more than disagreements among Republicans, and apparently some senators are content to fuel those stories with anonymous quotes," Cruz told POLITICO. "Regardless, my focus - and, I would hope, the focus of the rest of the conference - is on stopping Harry Reid's shutdown, ensuring that vital government priorities are funded, and preventing the enormous harms that Obamacare is inflicting on millions of Americans."

But as the government shutdown heads into day three, a number of Republican senators privately blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess their party finds itself in. And now that they're in it, they say it's up to Cruz to help find a solution.

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2014-01-27 11:00:40 AM

Tyee: What branch of the federal government has the responsibility of appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government?  Think back to 6th grade civics.


See, you should have learned something past the sixth grade level.  Or are you saying that no matter how destructive or ridiculous the House's plan for "appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government" is, the other two branches should just rubber stamp it because the House said so?

Checks and balances.  I think that's covered in 7th grade.  With a little luck, I think you just might make it!
 
2014-01-27 11:29:16 AM
I don't understand why some journalists like Bob Schieffer here don't just call these people out and say something like "you're lying.  You're lying, this is an absolute knowable fact and I don't know why you're lying but I know that you are lying and I don't think the American public appreciates being lied to."

It's not even asking for that much and it's not that difficult.  You get these people on your show, you know what the major discussion points will be, you know the main things you will want to ask and say to them, so you can prepare yourself with the facts ahead of time.  Now what I'd really like to see is a journalist prepare themselves for these sorts of interviews like Jon Stewart does sometimes, with actual clips of video evidence loaded up to go in case they deny facts (See Stewart and Jim Kramer).  But that requires effort and giving a shiat about what you do.
 
2014-01-27 11:40:04 AM
Tor_Eckman:

Several months ago you asked me to just not engage you in conversation rather than putting you on an ignore list.  It was/is a mutual agreement, you understand that?  I agreed to it because don't like the use of the ignore list as I believe even a blind chicken will one day find a kernel of wisdom to share.  I don't want to miss it when that happens, today wasn't your day.

~ Good luck to you.
 
2014-01-27 11:42:00 AM

TDBoedy: At the end of the day all federal workers not only continued at their jobs but were given all their back pay for which they were either furloughed or required to work without pay for the duration


I enjoy the handwaving away of little things like Americans not getting their paychecks and the casual dismissal of job security.

These people went 16 days not knowing how many more days, weeks, months the shutdown might continue..  How long can you go without job compensation?  How long can you go and still be expected to show up instead of spending all day looking for employment that *pays*?  How bad was that for the economy when all those workers clamped down their wallets, and likely remain in a clamped-down state even now?

There is always a subtle subtext in such discussion as if govt non-essential employees are not only unneeded positions but barely human at all.  These are *people* you're talking about not faceless drones, they're workers with families who were worried if they'd be able to make their house payment, keep the electricity on, feed their children.  And "non-essential" is just a time-sensitivity classification meaning if the job doesn't get done that day we'll manage to limp along unlike mission-critical positions, we're not going to shut down law enforcement but we will send home clerks who handle the legal paperwork that keeps the judicial system moving forward.  Thats fine for the isolated snow day but those "non-essential" positions do become essential over time.
 
2014-01-27 11:42:25 AM

WTF Indeed: Ted Cruz is the asshole we all wish we could be.


Nah, Ted Cruz is the asshole even assholes hate.
 
2014-01-27 12:02:46 PM

Tyee: Several months ago you asked me to just not engage you in conversation rather than putting you on an ignore list.  It was/is a mutual agreement, you understand that?  I agreed to it because don't like the use of the ignore list as I believe even a blind chicken will one day find a kernel of wisdom to share.  I don't want to miss it when that happens, today wasn't your day.


Yeah, but, there's this one thing....

He's right, and you're wrong about the whole Separation of Powers thing.
 
2014-01-27 12:10:47 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: TDBoedy: At the end of the day all federal workers not only continued at their jobs but were given all their back pay for which they were either furloughed or required to work without pay for the duration

I enjoy the handwaving away of little things like Americans not getting their paychecks and the casual dismissal of job security.

These people went 16 days not knowing how many more days, weeks, months the shutdown might continue..  How long can you go without job compensation?  How long can you go and still be expected to show up instead of spending all day looking for employment that *pays*?  How bad was that for the economy when all those workers clamped down their wallets, and likely remain in a clamped-down state even now?

There is always a subtle subtext in such discussion as if govt non-essential employees are not only unneeded positions but barely human at all.  These are *people* you're talking about not faceless drones, they're workers with families who were worried if they'd be able to make their house payment, keep the electricity on, feed their children.  And "non-essential" is just a time-sensitivity classification meaning if the job doesn't get done that day we'll manage to limp along unlike mission-critical positions, we're not going to shut down law enforcement but we will send home clerks who handle the legal paperwork that keeps the judicial system moving forward.  Thats fine for the isolated snow day but those "non-essential" positions do become essential over time.


Here's a nice story about what a "minor inconvenience" it was:

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/08/243858348/budget-office-examines-cost- of -partial-government-shutdown

I can't seem to find the one I was looking for, about an entire town that makes it's living serving the visitors to a National Park, and the fact that a number of them are having to close their doors, because even a few weeks lost from their High Season means they can't pay their bills and rents.

So, a little political intransigence from a tiny minority just destroyed a non-zero number of Small Businesses, for absolutely nothing.

Just a "minor inconvenience", though.
 
2014-01-27 12:15:04 PM

Deucednuisance: He's right, and you're wrong about the whole Separation of Powers thing.



How so?  Is it not the House's job to appropriate funds?  Are they not an equal arm of, and check on government?  Are they obligated constitutionally rubberstamp the spending wishes of the other house and branches of government?

This is the separate power delegated to the house of reps.
 
2014-01-27 12:25:18 PM

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


So, both sides are bad then?

However should I vote now?
 
2014-01-27 12:44:00 PM

TDBoedy: keylock71: TDBoedy: I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.

No.... Most likely, you use it because you're a partisan stooge.

lol so I explain it and you deny it as if you know my mind better than me.  Hillarious.

1/10


We know you're an idiot so yeah.
 
2014-01-27 12:47:23 PM
It takes two to tango.  One side can't shut down the government.  Both sides have a part.
 
2014-01-27 12:48:34 PM
I just wish one of these "journalists" would ask him why he hates his given name (Raphael)?
 
2014-01-27 12:50:04 PM

SlothB77: It takes two to tango.  One side can't shut down the government.  Both sides have a part.


Because the negotiator has just as much fault as guy with the hostage.
 
2014-01-27 12:53:41 PM
I love that the narrative from the Right Wing clowns has gone from "Yay! Government Shutdown!! People Won't even notice!!", to, "Both sides are responsible!!" now that most polls are showing most folks lie the blame for the shut down squarely at the feet of the GOP.

It's the kind of honesty I've come to expect from our brave independent boot-strapping individuals...
 
2014-01-27 12:57:01 PM
i was on the fence about whether Christie or Cruz should get the nomination.  Every day I become more convinced Cruz should get the nomination over Christie.  He doesn't let guys like Schieffer slip stuff like that by him.
 
2014-01-27 01:00:21 PM

Tyee: Deucednuisance: He's right, and you're wrong about the whole Separation of Powers thing.


How so?  Is it not the House's job to appropriate funds?  Are they not an equal arm of, and check on government?  Are they obligated constitutionally rubberstamp the spending wishes of the other house and branches of government?

This is the separate power delegated to the house of reps.


Well, you apparently think the Senate (or the President, for that matter) is obligated constitutionally to rubberstamp the spending wishes of the House.
 
2014-01-27 01:24:08 PM

Tyee: How so?


Like this:

Is it not the House's job to appropriate funds?

Yes, it is.

Are they Is the Senate not an equal arm of, and check on government?

Why, yes! Yes, it is!

You're wrong.  Own it.
 
2014-01-27 01:35:18 PM

SlothB77: i was on the fence about whether Christie or Cruz should get the nomination.  Every day I become more convinced Cruz should get the nomination over Christie.  He doesn't let guys like Schieffer slip stuff like that by him.


I think the GOP should just go ahead and declare Rafael Eduardo Cruz the one they're going with.
 
2014-01-27 01:35:34 PM

Tyee: What branch of the federal government has the responsibility of appropriating and authorizing the funding for the federal government?

The federal government was designed to have the house in charge of the money for good reason.


That's fundamentally false.  The constitution does not say the house is in charge of the money.  The constitution very clearly demands that the Senate, House and POTUS must all agree and if they do not agree, there are ways to overrule the POTUS.  There is no way to overrule the Senate, which means the House and Senate are equally in charge.

The only thing the Constitution did was design this process to BEGIN in the House.

It would have been exceptionally simple to write the Constitution to give the House sole power over the purse strings.  It did not.

Section 7.
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate
in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law.


The best part is you mocked people to think back to 6th grade, and then you proceeded to demonstrate your own fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.  Are you currently in 5th grade?  Because by your own metric, you're stupider than a 6th grader.
 
2014-01-27 01:42:48 PM

TDBoedy: The Democrat members of the Senate

madhattermagicshop.com

 
2014-01-27 01:59:46 PM
Heh... Looks like someone got told in here.
 
2014-01-27 02:22:03 PM
Sadly, I'd rather be a Nugent than a Cruz.

/all TEDs are bad.
 
2014-01-27 02:57:16 PM

nmrsnr: I was going to ask if anyone else thought that Ted Cruz looked like Grandpa Munster, but the internet has my back:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 566x515]


Holy shiat......
 
2014-01-27 03:41:47 PM

ReverendJynxed: Sadly, I'd rather be a Nugent


yep ... doesn't get any sadder.

/this thread has a sad
 
2014-01-27 04:45:37 PM

Harry_Seldon: Jim_Callahan: He's pretty much got to be either a true believer or dumber than a bag of hammers to be sticking to his guns here.

Probably neither. He is likely a sociopath.


He could be poster boy for  Antisocial Personality Disorder:

From DSM-IV-TR:

1.  There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following::
 a.  failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
 b.  deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
 c.  impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
 d. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
 e. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
 f. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
 g. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent or making_excuses
 h. rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
 
2014-01-27 09:43:41 PM
Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.
 
2014-01-27 09:54:48 PM

Roy_G_Biv: Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.


Funny at the end of the article...

Now it is certainly plausible that CBS edited out the ending of the Cruz interview for time

But we wouldn't want that to get in the way of your outrage Mr. Cruz Knobgobbler.
 
2014-01-27 10:02:53 PM

Fart_Machine: Roy_G_Biv: Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.

Funny at the end of the article...

Now it is certainly plausible that CBS edited out the ending of the Cruz interview for time

But we wouldn't want that to get in the way of your outrage Mr. Cruz Knobgobbler.



Well I guess that changes everything Mr Asslicker-of-Tyrants.

/You might want wash that shiat off your tongue there, sissy,
 
2014-01-27 10:29:25 PM

eldie: "Grandpa Munster's" politics couldn't have been more opposite than Ted Cruz.  He had progressive, almost socialist political beliefs and had a popular weekend radio program on a leftist radio show in NYC, WBAI.  I believe he passed away a few years back.


Not that he was lefty, but he vacationed smoking fine cigars in the sun in Havana, Cuba at least once a year.
 
2014-01-27 10:34:44 PM
The Daily Show shoud have some real fun with this complete with eleventy-seven videos of Cruz and the GOP saying Cruz was behind the shutdown.
 
2014-01-27 11:36:07 PM

Roy_G_Biv: Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.


Oh? Schieffer is actually the editor of that program too? Very impressive. You've convinced me.
 
2014-01-27 11:40:33 PM

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


No. Refusing to negotiate with idiots is not 'digging in', for one.
 
2014-01-27 11:41:36 PM

Fart_Machine: Roy_G_Biv: Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.

Funny at the end of the article...

Now it is certainly plausible that CBS edited out the ending of the Cruz interview for time

But we wouldn't want that to get in the way of your outrage Mr. Cruz Knobgobbler.


Roy_G_Biv: Fart_Machine: Roy_G_Biv: Well, lookie here!  It seems smirky little Bob edited out parts of Cruz's comments where he had valid points to make that made the 0ne look bad!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/01/26/face-nation-ed it s-out-senator-cruz-condemning-obama-s-abuse-power#ixzz2rZ167RcB

Wow, what cowardly little bootlicker.

Funny at the end of the article...

Now it is certainly plausible that CBS edited out the ending of the Cruz interview for time

But we wouldn't want that to get in the way of your outrage Mr. Cruz Knobgobbler.


Well I guess that changes everything Mr Asslicker-of-Tyrants.

/You might want wash that shiat off your tongue there, sissy,


Guys...GUYS! Get a room, sheesh...
 
2014-01-27 11:55:19 PM

Roy_G_Biv: Well I guess that changes everything Mr Asslicker-of-Tyrants.

/You might want wash that shiat off your tongue there, sissy,


I bet you say that to all the boys, sailor.
 
2014-01-28 12:10:39 AM
Nathan Thurm would be proud.
 
2014-01-28 02:19:40 AM

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


No, one party tried to ignore a law on the books and remove its power (by defunding) because they cannot repeal it and the other side said you have to follow the law.

Kinda simple huh? What do you have against following the law?
 
2014-01-28 05:38:34 AM

ReverendJynxed: all TEDs are bad.


Ted Theodore Logan is ok.
 
2014-01-28 08:16:17 AM

cchris_39: Amazing how many people can't understand the simple reality that it took BOTH sides digging in to shut down the government.


No, it took one side.

Specificially it took the decision of one man Boehner, who refused to put forth a clean spending bill.


Saying you won't let a minority of a party that doesn't control the legislature unilaterally rewrite the law isn't "diggin in".
 
2014-01-28 09:32:25 AM

TDBoedy: Wake Up Sheeple: TDBoedy: Satanic_Hamster: "But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.  Do you call them the democratics? no you don't retard.  you call them democrats.


This isn't that hard let me help you out here:

If you live in the United States of America you are an American.

You are not an America.

If you are a member of the Democratic Party you are a Democrat.

Not a Democratic.

Are you really trying to say the suffix (ic) has been improperly used since 1792, and finally has been corrected thanks to an attempt by Rush Limbaugh to slight the party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison?

Or are you just an idiot.
 
2014-01-28 11:34:26 AM

LittleJoeSF: TDBoedy: Wake Up Sheeple: TDBoedy: Satanic_Hamster: "But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

I use the word Democrat vs (ic) as the (ic) suffix is improperly used.  Do you call them the democratics? no you don't retard.  you call them democrats.

This isn't that hard let me help you out here:

If you live in the United States of America you are an American.

You are not an America.

If you are a member of the Democratic Party you are a Democrat.

Not a Democratic.

Are you really trying to say the suffix (ic) has been improperly used since 1792, and finally has been corrected thanks to an attempt by Rush Limbaugh to slight the party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison?

Or are you just an idiot.


You do realize he could be both misinformed and an idiot. It is not an either or situation.

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