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(ESPN FC)   On the chart of Craziness vs Greatness, Maradona has crossed back over the Mendoza diagonal   (espnfc.com) divider line 27
    More: Unlikely, Maradona, Pele, Mendoza, greatness, Ayrton Senna, Cristiano Ronaldo  
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2014-01-26 05:11:58 PM  
Pele didn't need hands to score goals.
 
2014-01-26 05:21:21 PM  
Is he approaching the Shelly Gillespie zone?
 
2014-01-26 05:42:06 PM  
It's funny how Maradona talks about Pele yet Pele never talks about Maradona.  That alone says it all.
 
2014-01-26 05:49:06 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Pele didn't need hands to score goals.


No, no, the goal was scored by the HAND of God.
 
2014-01-26 05:50:47 PM  
Please. If Simmons knew there was a world outside of the United States, he'd have named The Tyson Zone to The Maradona Zone. Dude is insane.
 
2014-01-26 06:19:17 PM  

orangehat: It's funny how Maradona talks about Pele yet Pele never talks about Maradona.  That alone says it all.


Pele is always talking about Maradona. And Messi and himself.
 
2014-01-26 06:22:33 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Pele didn't need hands to score goals.


Done in one. Please find an usher to collect your winnings.
 
2014-01-26 06:27:53 PM  
 Maradona is a footballing genius. I swear the man must be telepathic. He has better ball control with his feet than most people could ever manage with their hands. Genius.
 
2014-01-26 07:23:02 PM  

orangehat: It's funny how Maradona talks about Pele yet Pele never talks about Maradona.  That alone says it all.


This; Pele doesn't need to talk about Maradona.  All he has to do is point to the 3 WCs he's won.
 
2014-01-26 07:23:54 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Maradona is a footballing genius. I swear the man must be telepathic. He has better ball control with his feet than most people could ever manage with their hands. Genius.


If Maradona was a genius, Pele was a god.
 
2014-01-26 08:19:02 PM  
I like their discription of Senna as "former F1 driver"
 
2014-01-26 09:53:27 PM  
Messi's better than either one.
 
2014-01-26 10:27:03 PM  
Ignoring the whole Pele/Maradona debate for the moment, at what point in his public life was Maradona not considered crazy?  Certainly none that I can remember...
 
2014-01-26 10:34:07 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.


THIS.
Probably won't be recognized till he retires though.
 
2014-01-26 11:42:53 PM  
I see Maradona is hitting the coke again ...
 
2014-01-27 07:02:00 AM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.


Maybe, but he'll never get the credit until he brings home the WC trophy. Maradona has 2 (whether fairly or not), Pele has three (although the second one is questionable), Messi has goose egg. Get the job done in Brazil, and maybe we'll talk about him being the GOAT.
 
2014-01-27 08:00:49 AM  

ADubs86: Maybe, but he'll never get the credit until he brings home the WC trophy. Maradona has 2 (whether fairly or not), Pele has three (although the second one is questionable), Messi has goose egg. Get the job done in Brazil, and maybe we'll talk about him being the GOAT.


Of course Messi had the worst coach possible during his prime WC... Maradona
 
2014-01-27 08:19:28 AM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.


Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.
 
2014-01-27 08:24:47 AM  

ADubs86: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Maybe, but he'll never get the credit until he brings home the WC trophy. Maradona has 2 (whether fairly or not), Pele has three (although the second one is questionable), Messi has goose egg. Get the job done in Brazil, and maybe we'll talk about him being the GOAT.


Maradona has one. He didn't play in Aegentina 1978.

The problem with football is a team sport. Cristiano Ronaldo is better at his position than Taffarel ever was. But Taffarel has a WC title and CRonaldo will never have one.
 
2014-01-27 08:42:09 AM  

FLMountainMan: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.


I think you understate Messi's quickness, agility, and strength.  He's a tough MFer to knock off the ball.  He often fights through tackles when many players will dive.
 
2014-01-27 09:31:28 AM  

FLMountainMan: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.


Or talent, speed and stamina over size?
 
2014-01-27 10:24:49 AM  

FLMountainMan: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.


Both height and size give definite advantages.  A taller player makes a better target for aerial passes and can send some deadly headers into goal. Size helps defenders most of all but everyone can do with being able to force opponents out of the way, particularly if it's a more physically aggressive game as it's played in Scotland.

Bearing that in mind, it is interesting that Pele, Maradona and Messi are all on the short side. One explanation that I have heard is that the lower centre of gravity allows more agility while staying on the ball. Either that or it's a simple matter that tremendous natural talent trumps height or size any time.
 
2014-01-27 10:48:33 AM  

baka-san: I like their discription of Senna as "former F1 driver"


Like saying Beethoven was a "Former Musician"
 
2014-01-27 11:09:23 AM  
fo_sho!: FLMountainMan: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.

Or talent, speed and stamina over size?


I'm not discrediting Messi's talent.  The guy's phenomenal, the best ever in my opinion.  I'm saying it is more a product of hard work and intelligence than athletic ability.

Put another way, Lionel Messi wouldn't make any professional sports team in America (outside the MLS), no matter how hard he tried or worked on his basketball/football/etc ability.  Many stars in basketball and football would make great soccer players if they had been raised in a soccer-playing culture.  Allen Iverson, for example, would have been an absolutely incredible soccer player.
 
2014-01-27 11:16:46 AM  

FLMountainMan: Allen Iverson, for example, would have been an absolutely incredible soccer player.


Allen Iverson is also like 5'10".

Certain sports (and certain positions) require different skill sets.  It's to Messi's advantage to be so compact the way he plays because he's so close to the ball, it's like glued to his feet.  There aren't many tall players in soccer who can control the ball like that.

Also Messi probably could be a great CF or middle infielder in baseball (based on physicality).
 
2014-01-27 05:30:04 PM  
Mendoza?  I thought Shame killed him.
 
2014-01-27 09:19:54 PM  

FLMountainMan: fo_sho!: FLMountainMan: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Messi's better than either one.

Soccer's the only sport in the world where a 5'6" skinny white guy can be the best player.  I'm not taking anything away from the game (I play a shiatload of soccer), but it often favors technique and repetition more than pure physical athleticism.

Or talent, speed and stamina over size?

I'm not discrediting Messi's talent.  The guy's phenomenal, the best ever in my opinion.  I'm saying it is more a product of hard work and intelligence than athletic ability.

Put another way, Lionel Messi wouldn't make any professional sports team in America (outside the MLS), no matter how hard he tried or worked on his basketball/football/etc ability.  Many stars in basketball and football would make great soccer players if they had been raised in a soccer-playing culture.  Allen Iverson, for example, would have been an absolutely incredible soccer player.


Counterpoint:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muggsy_Bogues

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spud_Webb

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Robinson
 
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