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(Salon)   Confessions of a former Buddhist Libertarian who realized his two ideologies could never reconcile   (salon.com) divider line 200
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2014-01-26 12:54:32 PM  
I can relate. Well...except that I became a pagan instead of a Buddhist but...yeah. Similar awakening,
 
2014-01-26 01:18:21 PM  
Always good when someone can overcome some cognitive dissonance.
 
2014-01-26 01:28:19 PM  
That's a pretty snazzy zippered shirt he's got there. What am I reading again?

media.salon.com
 
2014-01-26 01:30:54 PM  
There's no such thing as Libertarians. Just myopic hypocrites.
 
2014-01-26 01:31:00 PM  
The Buddhist Genie:

A man is toiling in his field and unearths an old lamp. He rubs the dirt off and out pops a genie. "You get three wishes, but beware." 

So the man says "I want to be wealthy" and the genie removed his desire for excess worldly goods.
 
2014-01-26 01:31:48 PM  
If Mitt Romney was a Buddhist Libertarian: "I couldn't reconcile my two beliefs, so I left Buddhism for Mormonism."
 
2014-01-26 01:32:33 PM  

FnkyTwn: That's a pretty snazzy zippered shirt he's got there. What am I reading again?

[media.salon.com image 620x412]


www.writeincolor.com

/proud of you, son
 
2014-01-26 01:33:29 PM  
Is a Buddhist libertarian serenely at peace with the fact that they refuse to help others under the guise of helping others?
 
2014-01-26 01:34:33 PM  
Well that ended abruptly, I searched for a page 2 link or something.

Did this whiny hipster (who apparently is paid by the adjective) abandon Buddhism or Libetarianism?
 
2014-01-26 01:36:29 PM  
I view Libertarianism and Communism in the same light: two philosophies that can only exist in theory, and are in direct opposition to the reality of what humans behave like.
 
2014-01-26 01:37:38 PM  
He is still an idiot.

He just hates taxes and the services/distributions that they fund.

And if he wants to see some wasteful spending he should go check out corporations.
 
2014-01-26 01:41:27 PM  

ransack.: Well that ended abruptly, I searched for a page 2 link or something.

Did this whiny hipster (who apparently is paid by the adjective) abandon Buddhism or Libetarianism?


He disliked being thought of as a smug asshole, realized he was being a smug asshole, and will probably find a new way of being a smug asshole shortly.

The epiphany of his shock when "people didn't care for others" was about as heartfelt and touching as when Greenspan testified before Congress.

Greedy, narassistic, amoral assholes with tremendous wealth gained by farking over other people on a daily basis lack a general sense of compassion towards their fellow man? Do tell.
 
2014-01-26 01:42:33 PM  
Your ideology is based, at best, on your experiences, assumptions, and reasonings.

As far as i can tell, there is yet to be complete knowledge.

More news at 11
 
2014-01-26 01:44:00 PM  
I think its cute when people think that being a libertarian means you don't help others.

I'm a libertarian (atheist) and donate about 10k locally a year and run two food drives. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you don't help, it means you don't force other people to help via government.
 
2014-01-26 01:45:16 PM  
Also, government has often been forced to police ethics at the point of a gun. See: slavery, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, labor rights, etc.

When people biatch how evil society can be, they ignore that it's still made up of people. All the bad shiat in history was our doing.
 
2014-01-26 01:46:24 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I view Libertarianism and Communism in the same light: two philosophies that can only exist in theory, and are in direct opposition to the reality of what humans behave like.


Basically...and both avow the same conclusion through different means: Libertarians think everyone will get what they want through the free market alone. Communists think everyone will get what they want through the state alone.

The truth lies in between. Probably not with laissez-faire capitalism (which is probably the closest to the utopian libertarianism they want, except for the irrational actors, of course), probably not Marxism, probably pretty close to what certain European socialist states look like now: A well-regulated market backed by a government that does not want to cannibalize itself.  Of course, the faults in that way lie with other state actors that can't hold up their end of the bargain (see Greece).
 
2014-01-26 01:47:30 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I think its cute when people think that being a libertarian means you don't help others.

I'm a libertarian (atheist) and donate about 10k locally a year and run two food drives. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you don't help, it means you don't force other people to help via government.


No, it means you don't really care about the plight of unfortunate people all that much. You might still get a certain amount of pleasure from personal altruism, but that's a pretty narrow view of helping people.
 
2014-01-26 01:47:37 PM  
I wonder how much of that was influenced by the douchebags migrating from the now evangelical republican party after 2008.
 
2014-01-26 01:48:13 PM  
I don't think a Libertarian is going to be too pleased with the commerce and freedom stranding regulations of the 8 fold noble path.
 
2014-01-26 01:49:11 PM  
That article is horrible. Just horrible.

Still unclear about what it has to do with buddhism. The guy grew a new empathy. If he didn't have it before, he was kindof a shiatty buddhist.
 
2014-01-26 01:49:41 PM  

DamnYankees: Pocket_Fisherman: I think its cute when people think that being a libertarian means you don't help others.

I'm a libertarian (atheist) and donate about 10k locally a year and run two food drives. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you don't help, it means you don't force other people to help via government.

No, it means you don't really care about the plight of unfortunate people all that much. You might still get a certain amount of pleasure from personal altruism, but that's a pretty narrow view of helping people.


Mind you, "f*ck you I got mine" is still a perfectly valid philosophy, it's just not a very nice one. I only find it despicable when someone tells me that they're an ayn rand objectivist and some flavor of Christian.
 
2014-01-26 01:50:20 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I view Libertarianism and Communism in the same light: two philosophies that can only exist in theory, and are in direct opposition to the reality of what humans behave like.


If everyone believed that, there wouldn't be any Libertarians.

/now Socialism....
 
2014-01-26 01:50:58 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I wonder how much of that was influenced by the douchebags migrating from the now evangelical republican party after 2008.


This.
 
2014-01-26 01:51:18 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I think its cute when people think that being a libertarian means you don't help others.

I'm a libertarian (atheist) and donate about 10k locally a year and run two food drives. Being a libertarian doesn't mean you don't help, it means you don't force other people to help via government.


Like building roads and public transportation that would help someone get to a food drive.
 
2014-01-26 01:53:45 PM  
Since were all so generous with others money, why not max out your own credit cards and help feed the poor in Mexico?

Don't be stingy!
 
2014-01-26 01:54:03 PM  
So part of Buddhism requires the use of force on people if they don't make the "right" decisions when it comes to "helping" people?
 
2014-01-26 01:55:41 PM  
The central message of Buddhism is not every man for himself?
 
2014-01-26 01:56:01 PM  
"During college, a friend admitted he was confounded by my politics. He didn't know how to reconcile my libertarianism with my other commitments. We were Buddhists and vegetarians, and ...."


img.4plebs.org
 
2014-01-26 01:57:11 PM  
I'm guessing hipster dude in the article wasn't much of a libertarian, now thinks hes a Buddhist and will lack onto some other "alternative" philosophy in a few years.

Their needs to be a test before you can call yourself a libertarian. I've met hard core moon bad socialists, who claim to be libertarian. You can't give up a philosophy you never really understood to start with.
 
2014-01-26 01:57:41 PM  
And then, when he's forty-five, he discovers that compassion is totally overrated as well.
 
2014-01-26 01:58:19 PM  
Let me guess: some high-nosed hipster who originally claimed to be a deep thinker and a believer in two diametrically opposed philosophies suddenly RTFM and realizes that he can't be both. Is that it?
 
2014-01-26 01:59:24 PM  
And it sure does seem that Salon has a real hard on for libertarianism. It's got a regular schedule of articles about how terrible it is.
 
2014-01-26 01:59:46 PM  
peacheslatour
The central message of Buddhism is not every man for himself?


You have never heard of anarchical buddhism?

\I just made it up as a joke, and it really does exist.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-26 02:00:31 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: And then, when he's forty-five, he discovers that compassion is totally overrated as well.


happened with the hippies.
 
2014-01-26 02:00:58 PM  

jigger: And it sure does seem that Salon has a real hard on for libertarianism. It's got a regular schedule of articles about how terrible it is.


Low hanging fruits
 
2014-01-26 02:02:13 PM  
I read the whole article expecting a few clues that this was either written ironically or satire.  Except for his use of interlocutor it all looks legit.

 So I will bite.  Same thing happened to me, except with Christianity. But in my case the two did not occur simultaneously.  I was an atheist libertarian, classic style.  But as soon as I converted to Christianity, I could not remain a libertarian without shame and guilt.   So in order to sleep at night, I became a liberal.  But I had promised myself I would remain open to becoming a conservative evangelical if I ever had more than 10 million for tax purposes.
 
2014-01-26 02:02:33 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: Their needs to be a test before you can call yourself a libertarian. I've met hard core moon bad socialists, who claim to be libertarian.

You don't need a test to be libertarian, just severe brain damage.
 
2014-01-26 02:03:47 PM  

lordjupiter: jigger: And it sure does seem that Salon has a real hard on for libertarianism. It's got a regular schedule of articles about how terrible it is.

Low hanging fruits


But the articles just destroy strawmen by the dozen.
 
2014-01-26 02:05:13 PM  

peacheslatour: The central message of Buddhism is not every man for himself?


Thank you. It took way longer than I expected.
 
2014-01-26 02:05:19 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I'm guessing hipster dude in the article wasn't much of a libertarian, now thinks hes a Buddhist and will lack onto some other "alternative" philosophy in a few years.

Their needs to be a test before you can call yourself a libertarian. I've met hard core moon bad socialists, who claim to be libertarian. You can't give up a philosophy you never really understood to start with.


And here we have a textbook example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy used un-ironically in the wild.  Try not to point and laugh.
 
2014-01-26 02:05:36 PM  

ransack.: Well that ended abruptly, I searched for a page 2 link or something.

Did this whiny hipster (who apparently is paid by the adjective) abandon Buddhism or Libetarianism?


Make me one with everything except an intrusive, grasping, freedom-limiting yet ever-expanding government?
 
2014-01-26 02:06:37 PM  

madgonad: He is still an idiot.

He just hates taxes and the services/distributions that they fund.

And if he wants to see some wasteful spending he should go check out corporations.


I saw no begging bowl. A libertarian Buddhist would have one, not have one, and then have one again.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-26 02:07:02 PM  

rev. dave: I read the whole article expecting a few clues that this was either written ironically or satire.  Except for his use of interlocutor it all looks legit.

 So I will bite.  Same thing happened to me, except with Christianity. But in my case the two did not occur simultaneously.  I was an atheist libertarian, classic style.  But as soon as I converted to Christianity, I could not remain a libertarian without shame and guilt.   So in order to sleep at night, I became a liberal.  But I had promised myself I would remain open to becoming a conservative evangelical if I ever had more than 10 million for tax purposes.


The fact that there are so many evangelicals that can somehow reconcile the type of bullshiat Joel Olsteen is feeding them and actual biblical gospel has to do with they *want* to believe these two things are reconcilable and they have a cult of personality somewhere backing that belief up.  In their small minds they have all the evidence they need and it's not contradictory.  EVERYTHING I have ever read about buddhism conflicts with the "fark you, I've got mine jack" philosophy that has become libertarianism today.  If he ever thought the two matched he was really, really REALLY farking self delusional.
 
2014-01-26 02:07:54 PM  
All pure political theories--libertarianism, communism--fail simply because they assume that somehow all people will think the same way. Libertarianism fails because it assumes everyone will voluntarily contribute for the common good without external constraints like government.

This is demonstrably not true; but they want to believe it anyway because it sounds good.
 
2014-01-26 02:08:16 PM  

houstondragon: Also, government has often been forced to police ethics at the point of a gun. See: slavery, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, labor rights, etc.

When people biatch how evil society can be, they ignore that it's still made up of people. All the bad shiat in history was our doing.


Imagine: no religion, too.
 
2014-01-26 02:08:30 PM  

The WindowLicker: Pocket_Fisherman: I'm guessing hipster dude in the article wasn't much of a libertarian, now thinks hes a Buddhist and will lack onto some other "alternative" philosophy in a few years.

Their needs to be a test before you can call yourself a libertarian. I've met hard core moon bad socialists, who claim to be libertarian. You can't give up a philosophy you never really understood to start with.

And here we have a textbook example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy used un-ironically in the wild.  Try not to point and laugh.


Ugh. To be a Scotsman you have to be born in Scotland. No one is born with a particular political philosophy. The NTS fallacy cannot be used when talking about someone's political philosophy or how they label it. What you're doing is the The NTS fallacy fallacy.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-26 02:10:33 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Libertarianism fails because it assumes everyone will voluntarily contribute for the common good without external constraints like government.


That is libertarianism from 20 years ago.  Today's libertarianism is just "I'm all right, Jack" and nothing else.  All the "lazy" people (because we ARE in a meritocracy, right?!?) will cease to be a problem because they'll be dead!
 
2014-01-26 02:10:48 PM  
This guy probably just circled "C" right down the line on every test he's ever taken.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-26 02:11:11 PM  

jigger: So part of Buddhism requires the use of force on people if they don't make the "right" decisions when it comes to "helping" people?


I think that's part of life.  Or at least a part of civilization.
 
2014-01-26 02:12:12 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: And then, when he's forty-five, he discovers that compassion is totally overrated as well.


It was Siddartha who, in order to understand the nature of suffering, abandoned his family, thereby presumably creating a fair bit of suffering. Boy, life's sure full of paradoxes!
 
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