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(Des Moines Register)   'It's time we stopped jerking Canadians around. They may have succeeded in sublimating every ounce of normal human hostility and unpleasantness into hockey fights, but that doesn't mean we should take advantage of their good manners"   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 32
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2014-01-26 10:48:26 AM  
We prefer a smooth up-and-down motion.  Jerking it around just doesn't do it for us.
 
2014-01-26 10:53:03 AM  
Hopfully he's waiting for us to boot prime minister sweater-kitten out of office and replace him with someone who's got enough vision to understand why the exploitation of the tar sands needs to be done more carefully.  Its a great resource, but don't permanently render the entire region uninhabitable while using it.
 
2014-01-26 10:59:01 AM  
Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?
 
2014-01-26 11:02:11 AM  
As a Canadian, I'd like to cordially invite Krauthammer to f*ck off. Not only is he twisting reality, but he's being extremely patronizing about it.
 
2014-01-26 11:09:24 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?


Yeah it would. Among other things, they (via a subsidiary) already own the transfer station in Hardisty.
 
2014-01-26 11:25:09 AM  
FTFA: The Canadians Oil Companies are beside themselves

FTFY. As a Canadian I don't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-26 11:39:20 AM  

apoptotic: As a Canadian, I'd like to cordially invite Krauthammer to f*ck off. Not only is he twisting reality, but he's being extremely patronizing about it.


There's a name that's just begging to be parodied.  I'll start it off with Jerrysledge.
 
2014-01-26 11:45:40 AM  
In fairness, I think that even the Canuckistanis enjoy hacking off the Quebecois as an exercise in Schadenfreude...
 
2014-01-26 12:10:53 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?


Neither would it help Warren Buffet make more millions by continuing to transport the oil on his rail cars.
 
2014-01-26 12:39:39 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?


Refineries are expensive.  It makes entirely more economic sense that the product go to the gulf coast where the refining capacity for heavy oil a) already exists and b) is sitting largely idle.  And I say that as an Albertan that would like nothing more than for us to do the upgrading in Canada.

Krauthammer makes a reasonable point here- that the decision really needs to be made, one way or the other.  However, he glosses over the challenges with piping it westward to the port at Prince Rupert- namely, the environmental and indigenous backlash to the lands that that crosses, and the opposition from the BC government.  I presume that he doesn't know any better, but that's hardly a new position for him.  While there looks to be signs of conciliation there, Northern Gateway is far from a done deal and doesn't yet represent a direct challenge to Keystone.
 
2014-01-26 12:53:41 PM  
Wanna know what's freaky about Krauthammer? Watch him on Fox News. His plastic surgery is so farked up that his upper lip never moves.

His.upper.lip.never.moves!
 
2014-01-26 01:06:45 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Wanna know what's freaky about Krauthammer? Watch him on Fox News. His plastic surgery is so farked up that his upper lip never moves.

His.upper.lip.never.moves!


I'm sure that has nothing to do with his quadriplegia....
 
2014-01-26 01:20:01 PM  
Yankees go to Canada's Yukon and rape all the natural gifts that Harper has to offer.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140124-canada-yukon- pe el-watershed-wilderness-mining-first-nations/
 
2014-01-26 01:29:38 PM  

Weenie_Boy: TV's Vinnie: Wanna know what's freaky about Krauthammer? Watch him on Fox News. His plastic surgery is so farked up that his upper lip never moves.

His.upper.lip.never.moves!

I'm sure that has nothing to do with his quadriplegia....


Or the more likely fact that he's a demon in rubber human mask.
 
2014-01-26 03:00:40 PM  
As an American spending quality time in Canada, I find myself yelling at the TV regularly when the PM says that the US owes Canada the pipeline, and that the opinion of the people in the states is of no importance. My husband just laughs his ass off when I get going. I might get a little rage-ey over his and his cohort's lack of concern for, well, as far as I can tell, anyone not them or their buddies. Impotent, impotent rage.

/Americans married to Canadians problems
 
2014-01-26 03:36:10 PM  

unyon: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?

Refineries are expensive.  It makes entirely more economic sense that the product go to the gulf coast where the refining capacity for heavy oil a) already exists and b) is sitting largely idle.  And I say that as an Albertan that would like nothing more than for us to do the upgrading in Canada.

Krauthammer makes a reasonable point here- that the decision really needs to be made, one way or the other.  However, he glosses over the challenges with piping it westward to the port at Prince Rupert- namely, the environmental and indigenous backlash to the lands that that crosses, and the opposition from the BC government.  I presume that he doesn't know any better, but that's hardly a new position for him.  While there looks to be signs of conciliation there, Northern Gateway is far from a done deal and doesn't yet represent a direct challenge to Keystone.


I will say that I agree with most of what Krauthammer said there, and I routinely loathe most of what he says.  The company putting the proposal in has jumped through all the hoops they've been asked and multiple studies have been done on the project, including the rerouting around the sand hills in Nebraska.

At this point the US government should have enough information to make a decision.  The oil will find a way to market, may as well make it the safest option, which is a pipeline. And even on our side of the border there's a hell of a lot of work that goes into getting approvals and ensuring that activities are done safely and to code.

I can say this as I am currently typing from a wellsite north of Ft. McMurray.  Potable water on the ground is considered a reportable spill to the company I am drilling for.  Park an idling truck?  Better have a spill pan underneath.  See a coyote?  Report it to the environmental department.  The 'Hiroshima pictures' Neil young describes are from active mine pits.  That's cherry picking the absolute worst thing you could present and not at all representative.
 
2014-01-26 06:52:38 PM  

Bondith: apoptotic: As a Canadian, I'd like to cordially invite Krauthammer to f*ck off. Not only is he twisting reality, but he's being extremely patronizing about it.

There's a name that's just begging to be parodied.  I'll start it off with Jerrysledge.


Yaaaay! It's Hammer Time!

Don't hurt them, Hammer! They're fellow Americans!

Everybody join me in song:  Sludge Hammer! I wanna be your Sludge Hammer.
 
2014-01-26 07:02:42 PM  
Most Canadians are concerned about the environment which neo-con President Sweatervest so blatantly ignores. If Obama is holding off for a Canadian Election and a new government, more power to him. He can then swing a deal with more environmental protections in Canada and along whatever route the oil follows.

True, we are likely to extract the oil eventually although tar sands oil is costly and filthier than most. It takes massive amounts of water and natural gas (enough to heat 5 million Canadian homes) to turn 0.7 barrels of oil equivalent into a barrel of oil. So Obama is our best hope You might say he is the Great Black Hope of the Great White North. That might sound a bit racist. I don't care. He is.

True, there's no end of competing money on the Democratic side that wants to do precisely what the Republican money wants to do, but if Obama plays his cards right, he could bring some smidgen of reason and responsibility to the business.
 
2014-01-26 09:48:00 PM  
You know, Krauthammer ought to be old enough to understand that nobody in DC gives a damn about Canada. With US shale oil coming online the day is approaching when they may not need Canada's output at all.

Yes, the pipeline is a good idea---it would reduce the cost of oil in the States, too. Any project like this is a bureaucratic nightmare, though, and I can't see why DC should pull out the stops just for us. Because the Canadians think they're not getting paid enough for our oil?

There are other ways of getting Alberta oil to market, piping it to our west coast and shipping it straight to Asia, say. While we wait for DC, surely we're best off working on some of those?
 
2014-01-26 10:58:43 PM  

MikeyFuccon: Yes, the pipeline is a good idea---it would reduce the cost of oil in the States, too.


No, actually it wouldn't.
 
2014-01-26 11:05:14 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: unyon: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Canadians can always build a refinery right in Canada, but that wouldn't make the Koch's any money would it Swanny?

Refineries are expensive.  It makes entirely more economic sense that the product go to the gulf coast where the refining capacity for heavy oil a) already exists and b) is sitting largely idle.  And I say that as an Albertan that would like nothing more than for us to do the upgrading in Canada.

Krauthammer makes a reasonable point here- that the decision really needs to be made, one way or the other.  However, he glosses over the challenges with piping it westward to the port at Prince Rupert- namely, the environmental and indigenous backlash to the lands that that crosses, and the opposition from the BC government.  I presume that he doesn't know any better, but that's hardly a new position for him.  While there looks to be signs of conciliation there, Northern Gateway is far from a done deal and doesn't yet represent a direct challenge to Keystone.

I will say that I agree with most of what Krauthammer said there, and I routinely loathe most of what he says.  The company putting the proposal in has jumped through all the hoops they've been asked and multiple studies have been done on the project, including the rerouting around the sand hills in Nebraska.

At this point the US government should have enough information to make a decision.  The oil will find a way to market, may as well make it the safest option, which is a pipeline. And even on our side of the border there's a hell of a lot of work that goes into getting approvals and ensuring that activities are done safely and to code.

I can say this as I am currently typing from a wellsite north of Ft. McMurray.  Potable water on the ground is considered a reportable spill to the company I am drilling for.  Park an idling truck?  Better have a spill pan underneath.  See a coyote?  Report it to the environmental department.  The 'Hiroshima pictures' Neil young de ...


And I can tell you many more stories of horrendous spills, cover-ups and a general who-gives-fark about the environment attitude. I even know of people who were blacklisted from the industry for trying to report coverups of spills.  Your experience is in the minority.  My brother just got back from up north driving a vac truck and said the shiat he saw go on well sites made him sick.  Heard the same thing from my cousins.  Say anything and your job is gone, so nobody says shiat.
 
2014-01-26 11:12:06 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Hopfully he's waiting for us to boot prime minister sweater-kitten out of office and replace him with someone who's got enough vision to understand why the exploitation of the tar sands needs to be done more carefully.  Its a great resource, but don't permanently render the entire region uninhabitable while using it.


You don't have a farking clue what you're talking about.  I see you're from Ottawa, Canada's rectum.  You should know that the people of Fort MacMurray take exception to trolls like you and your commie washed up hack Neil Young and his comments that it looks like Hiroshima.  Go on Twitter and check the #myhiroshima tags for some pictures of the beauty of the area.  Here are some other facts:

Neil Young has never seen the oil sands.  He drove up to Fort Mac in his veggie mobile (escorted by a tanker truck of the stuff), sat in a mall parking lot, then turned around and drove back to Edmonton.

His "tour" was sponsored by those anti-oil sands trolls out of California.

Ft. Mac is one of the most environmentally progressive cities in North America.  Their city buildings are recaptured heat and it's being used to grow veggies on rooftops.  In Ottawa, where you have all the heat for the asshat politicians, you're just blowing it out your ass.

Ft. Mac is one of the most racially diverse cities in North America, with over 109 languages spoken.  The Catholic high school offers a class on religions of the world that teaches the beliefs of 9 different religions.  In the past 10 years, there has never been a class that didn't have at least one member of each religion represented in the class.

And as for the sands themselves, companies are constantly improving the environmental performance in the area.  They work regularly with local native communities to make sure their issues are addressed.  There was just a big conference in Ft. Mac about native  business opportunieis in the sands.  Of course, it got no coverage in the media because there was no arguing, and no dope-fried old rockers were there.

So until you know what you're talking about, Ottawa, STFU.  And go back to your government filing job.  did you know that the average household income in Ft. Mac is $190,000.  Choke on it, you dick.

God, I hate Easterners.  Alberta need to say F off to the rest of Canada and go it on our own.
 
2014-01-26 11:28:49 PM  

apoptotic: MikeyFuccon: Yes, the pipeline is a good idea---it would reduce the cost of oil in the States, too.

No, actually it wouldn't.


So by making the resource more accessible it also becomes more expensive? That doesn't seem likely.
 
2014-01-26 11:33:15 PM  
they work their hostility through their music export program
 
2014-01-26 11:42:45 PM  

murray208: apoptotic: MikeyFuccon: Yes, the pipeline is a good idea---it would reduce the cost of oil in the States, too.

No, actually it wouldn't.

So by making the resource more accessible it also becomes more expensive? That doesn't seem likely.


Keep in mind, the US isn't the only market for oil.

Most of the increased accessibility is for offshore consumers, especially China, whose demand is constantly growing.
 
2014-01-27 12:40:39 AM  

murray208: apoptotic: MikeyFuccon: Yes, the pipeline is a good idea---it would reduce the cost of oil in the States, too.

No, actually it wouldn't.

So by making the resource more accessible it also becomes more expensive? That doesn't seem likely.


Just to add to rustypouch's response, midwestern refineries currently get crude at a discounted rate because there's a storage capacity bottleneck; once the crude can go directly to the Gulf instead of being stored at/around Cushing, that bottleneck disappears (or at least lessens significantly) and so does the discount. Those refineries' costs go up, which then causes wholesale and retail costs of petroleum products to go up.
 
2014-01-27 01:13:02 AM  
Don't forget: Krauthammer is always wrong.  Always.  It's weird and unnatural how he can zero in on whatever is exactly not-correct.
 
2014-01-27 03:19:10 AM  
I've only known one Canadian I could stand to be around for more than 5 minutes. Most were not the least bit polite or kind, but they were sure to remind me of how proper and nice Canadians are. I guess if you toot your own horn enough, people believe it. It's time we start calling Canadians what try actually are: slightly smarter Americans.
 
2014-01-27 05:46:13 AM  

Rodeodoc: did you know that the average household income in Ft. Mac is $190,000. Choke on it, you dick.


Hey look, an oil company shill.  Tell me young Rodeodick, why is it that people are paid that much money to live in such a paradise, any ways?  Surely if its the paradise you describe people would be willing to work in its region for far less.  There has to be something in play here...hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
2014-01-27 12:05:31 PM  
Rodeodoc: 0/10

There's only one political group in Canada more tiresome than Quebec separatists, and that's Alberta separatists.

Also, rents in Fort Mac are twice what they are in Ottawa, for example. People are paid more in Fort Mac because otherwise nobody who knew what anything cost up there would go work there. If the price of oil drops, last out please turn out the light.
 
2014-01-27 12:18:29 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Rodeodoc: did you know that the average household income in Ft. Mac is $190,000. Choke on it, you dick.

Hey look, an oil company shill.  Tell me young Rodeodick, why is it that people are paid that much money to live in such a paradise, any ways?  Surely if its the paradise you describe people would be willing to work in its region for far less.  There has to be something in play here...hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


Because it's a boomtown with a labour shortage for high paying jobs?  I don't live there anymore but do come up for work on occasion (north of there right now) and I can attest that once you are away from the mines there is some spectacular scenerey up here.
 
2014-01-27 08:31:00 PM  

Rodeodoc: BumpInTheNight: Hopfully he's waiting for us to boot prime minister sweater-kitten out of office and replace him with someone who's got enough vision to understand why the exploitation of the tar sands needs to be done more carefully.  Its a great resource, but don't permanently render the entire region uninhabitable while using it.

You don't have a farking clue what you're talking about.  I see you're from Ottawa, Canada's rectum.  You should know that the people of Fort MacMurray take exception to trolls like you and your commie washed up hack Neil Young and his comments that it looks like Hiroshima.  Go on Twitter and check the #myhiroshima tags for some pictures of the beauty of the area.  Here are some other facts:

Neil Young has never seen the oil sands.  He drove up to Fort Mac in his veggie mobile (escorted by a tanker truck of the stuff), sat in a mall parking lot, then turned around and drove back to Edmonton.

His "tour" was sponsored by those anti-oil sands trolls out of California.

Ft. Mac is one of the most environmentally progressive cities in North America.  Their city buildings are recaptured heat and it's being used to grow veggies on rooftops.  In Ottawa, where you have all the heat for the asshat politicians, you're just blowing it out your ass.

Ft. Mac is one of the most racially diverse cities in North America, with over 109 languages spoken.  The Catholic high school offers a class on religions of the world that teaches the beliefs of 9 different religions.  In the past 10 years, there has never been a class that didn't have at least one member of each religion represented in the class.

And as for the sands themselves, companies are constantly improving the environmental performance in the area.  They work regularly with local native communities to make sure their issues are addressed.  There was just a big conference in Ft. Mac about native  business opportunieis in the sands.  Of course, it got no coverage in the media because there was ...


Canada needs to remove the tariffs on Venezuelan oil and let you.
 
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