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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fewer teenagers in Florida are hurrying out to get their driver's licenses, as they are terrified to share the road with elderly folks desperately searching for a farmer's market   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 87
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2014-01-26 08:26:40 PM
And the article mentions how expensive it is.  The only way I was able to drive as a teenager was working and teenagers can't get jobs unless they have connections.
 
2014-01-26 08:27:35 PM
It's not just Florida. Most teens these days would prefer a smartphone over a car.
 
2014-01-26 08:28:14 PM
"Young folks would rather spend their money on an iPhone than a car,"

I guess I could read TFA

*sigh*
 
2014-01-26 08:30:57 PM
When I used to live outside of Orlando, can't tell you how many times I've come over a hill, and almost fly up the bum of a geezer going about 30 in a 55 zone.
 
2014-01-26 08:31:52 PM
One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)
 
2014-01-26 08:32:59 PM

Ex-Texan: When I used to live outside of Orlando, can't tell you how many times I've come over a hill, and almost fly up the bum of a geezer going about 30 in a 55 zone.


hills and geezer bums in Fla?
 
2014-01-26 08:35:32 PM

neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)


Wanna feel old?

One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager would fill your tank.

My first real job made something like $2.50 an hour, and I was driving my stepfather's Mazda. Of course, gas hadn't cracked .75 a gallon then....
 
2014-01-26 08:38:17 PM
Not just Florida, know several young folks in their early 20s who don't have their licenses and not too interested in getting them. There will come a time the older folks won't be able to drive them anymore, best learn before it gets too late.
Not everyone lives in an area with public transit.
 
2014-01-26 08:39:09 PM
It's not just teens.  People in their 30's are giving up car ownership and moving into the cities, utilizing public transportation and car-share programs.  I've always said, any company that builds efficient public transport for cities would turn a 500K% profit in 20 years, if they were willing to wait that long.
 
2014-01-26 08:39:10 PM
Might it be that teenagers, like many other people here in Florida, simply drive without a license?  At least one-third of the drivers I encounter could not have passed the test.
 
2014-01-26 08:41:50 PM
From TFA: Three decades ago, nearly half of 16-year-olds had a drivers license, but by 2008 that number had dropped to fewer than a third

I would be real interested to know if these percentages have the same trend for teenage employment as well. If so, that could certainly help to explain the trend... no money to pay for it, but also no compelling reason to get a driver's license.
 
2014-01-26 08:42:37 PM

neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)



Yeah, my old 71 Chevy pick-up from high school (1985-1987) got about 11 mpg.  It's not like I was driving all that far though.

If I recall, gas was about a buck a gallon and I was making about 5 or 6 bucks an hour (working 15 hrs/wk).

My parents were nice enough to pay my insurance (something that strangely got zero mention in TFA) so maintenance, gas, weed beer and fast food were my only real expenses at the time.


FTAThe dangers of driving in an urban environment are a key reason why Tevin Hudson's mom, Jetty Mitchell, urged her 19-year-old son to wait on getting a license.

A boys best friend is his mother.
 
2014-01-26 08:43:29 PM
Car= vagina in hs
 
2014-01-26 08:45:49 PM
I'm ok with teens waiting to learn how to drive.  One thing that makes teen drivers dangerous is inexperience - that inexperience will just be carried over to older folks.  But immaturity is also part of problem, and that (presumably) will not be carried over.
 
2014-01-26 08:47:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)

Wanna feel old?

One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager would fill your tank.

My first real job made something like $2.50 an hour, and I was driving my stepfather's Mazda. Of course, gas hadn't cracked .75 a gallon then....


I question the veracity of your claim.
 
2014-01-26 08:49:37 PM
Farmer's market, huh?  Of all the Jay Lenos in the world, you're the Jay Lenoest.
 
2014-01-26 08:50:18 PM
A few years ago working parents had more disposable income and could pay out the cost of insurance +a car +gas.

In our area, far less teens are driving.   Costs too much.
And there is not much money in their  pockets....so where are they going to go anyways.
 
2014-01-26 08:53:03 PM
I waited a year or two to get my license.

When the girlfriend left me and said it was for a guy who could drive I went out and got my starters that summer.
 
2014-01-26 08:53:27 PM

TomD9938: neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)


Yeah, my old 71 Chevy pick-up from high school (1985-1987) got about 11 mpg.  It's not like I was driving all that far though.

If I recall, gas was about a buck a gallon and I was making about 5 or 6 bucks an hour (working 15 hrs/wk).

My parents were nice enough to pay my insurance (something that strangely got zero mention in TFA) so maintenance, gas, weed beer and fast food were my only real expenses at the time.


FTA :  The dangers of driving in an urban environment are a key reason why Tevin Hudson's mom, Jetty Mitchell, urged her 19-year-old son to wait on getting a license.

A boys best friend is his mother.


Weed beer? sounds gross.
 
2014-01-26 08:54:17 PM
I don't think I can agree, it seems walking through FL neighborhoods is more dangerous.

/I didn't get my license till I was nearly 19, after I had a job for awhile to pay for it.
//I had to pay every dime, including the insurance increase on my parents' policy
 
2014-01-26 08:56:31 PM
Kids are competing for jobs with the emerging underclass in this country, and they'd rather just be driven around if they can help it anyway.   A min wage job never covered a car payment, insurance, and fuel anyway, but it does build character.

Back in the day (as late as the 80s) kids would participate in the harvest, even if it meant taking a week or two off school.  The money this kids made was very important for them and their community on many levels.


Ah, it's funny to hear each generation rag on the other.
 
2014-01-26 08:57:36 PM
The article omits another factor that could be discouraging teenagers: the increasingly onerous restrictions on driver's licenses for those under 18. I don't know offhand if Florida does this sort of thing, but in Illinois a driver under 18, for the first year of driving, is restricted to one passenger under 20 (except for immediate family). There is also a 10PM-6AM curfew Sunday-Thursday, with 11PM Friday and Saturday. There are plenty of other restrictions that weren't around when I was a teenager, as well. I'm sure that curbs the kids' enthusiasm for going out and getting a license, even if it does reduce the body count.
 
2014-01-26 08:58:17 PM

fusillade762: It's not just Florida. Most teens these days would prefer a smartphone over a car.


Smartphones are considerably cheaper, for a start.
 
2014-01-26 08:59:10 PM

Kurmudgeon: Not everyone lives in an area with public transit.


They're moving into cities with public transit rather than the Deer Oaks Festival at Silver Chase subdivision. This is freaking out companies that are finding that in order to attract younger talent, they can't get cheap office space in some field and expect employees to buy into a long commute in an expensive to maintain automobile.
 
2014-01-26 09:00:02 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: I've always said, any company that builds efficient public transport for cities would turn a 500K% profit in 20 years, if they were willing to wait that long.


They tried that already, but our friendly neighborhood corporate overlords put the kibosh on it.
 
2014-01-26 09:00:03 PM

Morgellons: Weed beer? sounds gross.



It kind of was.

thumbs4.ebaystatic.com
 
2014-01-26 09:00:11 PM

Boo_Guy: I waited a year or two to get my license.

When the girlfriend left me and said it was for a guy who could drive I went out and got my starters that summer.


Teenagers (males especially) will start getting their licenses when they realize how hard it is to get laid when mom and dad are driving them everywhere.
 
2014-01-26 09:03:08 PM
Y'all are slipping.

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2014-01-26 09:05:46 PM

LoneWolf343: fusillade762: It's not just Florida. Most teens these days would prefer a smartphone over a car.

Smartphones are considerably cheaper, for a start.


Not to mention a smartphone is as important to ones social life as having a car was back in the day.
 
2014-01-26 09:07:48 PM

neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)


Two hours at minimum wage when I was a teen bought you a whole tank.
When I came to the state where I'm living now gas was $0.84/gallon. I thought I was being robbed, as I had just moved from a state where it was less than $0.70/gallon.
/mowing his lawn
 
2014-01-26 09:08:24 PM

rev. dave: And the article mentions how expensive it is.  The only way I was able to drive as a teenager was working and teenagers can't get jobs unless they have connections.


And even if they could get jobs, they still cant afford gas and insurance, much less a car, on part time minimum wage.
 
2014-01-26 09:11:38 PM
Learning to drive in Florida was terrifying. Between the old people driving really slow and the Cubans not following the signs it was like everyone on the road was trying to murder you. Top it off with learning on a stick and I'm amazed I survived.
 
2014-01-26 09:17:30 PM
Scaredy cats. I had to learn to drive on the same roads with old folks as now.

Except there are a lot more roads ... and cars ... and elderly drivers now.
 
2014-01-26 09:21:42 PM

Fubegra: The article omits another factor that could be discouraging teenagers: the increasingly onerous restrictions on driver's licenses for those under 18. I don't know offhand if Florida does this sort of thing, but in Illinois a driver under 18, for the first year of driving, is restricted to one passenger under 20 (except for immediate family). There is also a 10PM-6AM curfew Sunday-Thursday, with 11PM Friday and Saturday. There are plenty of other restrictions that weren't around when I was a teenager, as well. I'm sure that curbs the kids' enthusiasm for going out and getting a license, even if it does reduce the body count.


Yeah the goofy passenger/curfew/distance from home type restrictions would make me have less of a hard on for my license if I was just turning 16
 
2014-01-26 09:26:24 PM

baconbeard: Gyrfalcon: neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)

Wanna feel old?

One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager would fill your tank.

My first real job made something like $2.50 an hour, and I was driving my stepfather's Mazda. Of course, gas hadn't cracked .75 a gallon then....

I question the veracity of your claim.


Hm, lessee...

Well, according to a 10 second search on Google, the average price of gas in 1978 was about .63 a gallon. I can't be 100% sure of what I really made back at the library, although it wasn't more than $2.50 an hour, and assuming the Mazda had a 10-gallon tank, which may also be wrong, then it would take $1.63 to fill it. That would fill the tank nicely.

So yeah.
 
2014-01-26 09:26:29 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: It's not just teens.  People in their 30's are giving up car ownership and moving into the cities, utilizing public transportation and car-share programs.  I've always said, any company that builds efficient public transport for cities would turn a 500K% profit in 20 years, if they were willing to wait that long.


I'm one of those.

I could either fark around in rush hour traffic and have a job in the 'burbs with a long commute, pay for core city parking, or take the bus or bike.

Taking the bus is cheaper than driving, and taking the bike is healthier.

I'm in my 30s, but still young enough to not be wedded to the idea of driving.  For the grey-haired crowd, a lot of them can't understand being car-lite or car-free.  It's the world they grew up in - driving was a lot cheaper, traffic wasn't so bad, etc.  But I think the younger generation is shifting their thinking, to the point where I'd be worried to make a future in a large city without decent public transportation.
 
2014-01-26 09:29:10 PM
Cars are expensive. Insurance is expensive. Parents can't afford to pay for their child's car/insurance. Child doesn't have enough money to buy a car and get job to pay for a car. If if said child could get a job, it wouldn't pay enough to support their driving habit anyway
/Life's a biatch
 
2014-01-26 09:29:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: baconbeard: Gyrfalcon: neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)

Wanna feel old?

One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager would fill your tank.

My first real job made something like $2.50 an hour, and I was driving my stepfather's Mazda. Of course, gas hadn't cracked .75 a gallon then....

I question the veracity of your claim.

Hm, lessee...

Well, according to a 10 second search on Google, the average price of gas in 1978 was about .63 a gallon. I can't be 100% sure of what I really made back at the library, although it wasn't more than $2.50 an hour, and assuming the Mazda had a 10-gallon tank, which may also be wrong, then it would take $1.63 to fill it. That would fill the tank nicely.

So yeah.


Or, okay, my math is way off. It would take $6.30 to fill the tank, or at my wages a little more than two hours work. Either way, that's massively depressing to think about, considering that it takes more than $45 dollars to fill my Toyota nowadays, or about twice as much at my current wages.
 
2014-01-26 09:31:32 PM
The problem is that todays young folks are lazy-ass dead beats.  Cars have always been quite expensive but when I was 16, in the early 80s, I managed to cover my own gas plus still have plenty of money left over to buy beer and go on dates, etc..  I did this amazing thing that apparently none of todays young folks have heard of.  I went to work, about 10 hrs a day each Sat and Sun.  I also didn't expect to drive the newest car.  I had a well worn early 70s Pinto.  I realize all the snowflakes today expect to have a brand new 25k car but I settled for less.  The parents did help some by covering insurance and car repairs but to be honest I probably could have covered those too, even though I was only making $10/hr, if I did not spend so much on beer and pussy.
 
2014-01-26 09:31:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: the average price of gas in 1978 was about .63 a gallon... and assuming the Mazda had a 10-gallon tank, which may also be wrong, then it would take $1.63 to fill it.


So long as there was already a bit more than 7 gallons in the tank, yeah.
 
2014-01-26 09:35:51 PM

Ex-Texan: When I used to live outside of Orlando, can't tell you how many times I've come over a hill, and almost fly up the bum of a geezer going about 30 in a 55 zone.


Ooohhhh  Kinky
 
2014-01-26 09:36:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: okay, my math is way off.


Never mind.
 
2014-01-26 09:42:34 PM
A side effect of the Bush destruction of the economy that 0bama can't fix with you know who obstructing is that the younger generation middle class has given up on not only home ownership, but even car ownership. Sure some are doing well, but the huge middle class? We're sunk if they can't even afford cars after college.
 
2014-01-26 09:45:17 PM

litespeed74: Ex-Texan: When I used to live outside of Orlando, can't tell you how many times I've come over a hill, and almost fly up the bum of a geezer going about 30 in a 55 zone.

Ooohhhh  Kinky


He must have had a Chevy Astroglide.
 
2014-01-26 09:46:26 PM
wow a farmers market joke!  How cutting edge!!
 
2014-01-26 09:49:36 PM

Doom MD: Car= vagina in hs


This.  I didn't really bother with "dating" until I had my license and a set of wheels.  I'm all for public transportation but you can't exactly take the bus to that out of the way bang spot...
 
2014-01-26 09:56:00 PM

Fubegra: The article omits another factor that could be discouraging teenagers: the increasingly onerous restrictions on driver's licenses for those under 18. I don't know offhand if Florida does this sort of thing, but in Illinois a driver under 18, for the first year of driving, is restricted to one passenger under 20 (except for immediate family). There is also a 10PM-6AM curfew Sunday-Thursday, with 11PM Friday and Saturday. There are plenty of other restrictions that weren't around when I was a teenager, as well. I'm sure that curbs the kids' enthusiasm for going out and getting a license, even if it does reduce the body count.


No kidding, and those restrictions have been around for awhile. I waited until 19 for mine, due to expense and the crazy restrictions on the under 18 crowd. Can't drive after 9pm, limited passenger carry, blah blah blah. Fark that noise, I had no restrictions when I got mine.
 
2014-01-26 10:07:12 PM
I had two reasons to get my license and a beater car when I turned 16: a job and LAN parties.  My son will be 16 in two years, and he's on the fence, mostly because he won't be able to find a job and internet connectivity is so much better these days rendering LAN parties more or less obsolete
 
2014-01-26 10:09:58 PM

rewind2846: Two hours at minimum wage when I was a teen bought you a whole tank.
When I came to the state where I'm living now gas was $0.84/gallon. I thought I was being robbed, as I had just moved from a state where it was less than $0.70/gallon.
/mowing his lawn


I'm not even 30 yet, and I can remember putting gas in my tank when it was $1/gallon. My first car was an old Accord. I could drive for a long time on $5.
 
2014-01-26 10:30:48 PM

neofonz: One hour of minimum wage when I was a teenager bought 4 gallons of gas.
One hour of minimum wage today buys maybe 2 gallons of gas.

Good thing cars are twice as fuel-efficient now or I'd have a point. :)


When I was a teenager minimum wage was $5.15 and gas was about 90 cents.  Plenty of cars from that time (late 90s) are still on the road.  I'd say you do have a point.
 
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