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2014-01-25 11:52:59 PM
Congress rejected legislation sponsored by Democratic lawmakers in 2012 that called for the government to provide $20 million of the annual operating costs.

Of course, they did.

That noted, I honestly don't know if it would be the 24 dollar ticket price that would keep me away from this museum or just the thoroughly depressing subject matter inside but on my list of "things to do if I'm in NY with time to kill" this aint even gonna crack the top 100.
 
2014-01-26 12:08:26 AM
Of course, freedom isn't free.

One would think Teabaggers would know this.

But still, they whine like babies about having to pay federal income taxes
 
2014-01-26 12:10:57 AM
I thought it was just another word for nothing left to lose
 
2014-01-26 12:27:03 AM
You don't get something for nothing
You can't have freedom for free
You won't get wise
With the sleep still in your eyes
No matter what your dreams might be
 
2014-01-26 12:50:22 AM
They should charge $9.11.
 
2014-01-26 12:54:26 AM
fark all these motherfarkers...
 
2014-01-26 01:11:00 AM
And who would want to go to that place anyway?  All it represents is the day america was attacked by its own government and blamed it all on muslims and then took away the constitution, created a police state while all their buddies profit from the war economy. That's all.
The memorial is a farking disgrace to the what the nation once represented and once was.
 
2014-01-26 01:17:27 AM

JerkyMeat: And who would want to go to that place anyway?  All it represents is the day america was attacked by its own government and blamed it all on muslims and then took away the constitution, created a police state while all their buddies profit from the war economy. That's all.
The memorial is a farking disgrace to the what the nation once represented and once was.


www.reactiongifs.com
 
2014-01-26 01:20:32 AM
fta It will also have a $24 admission fee, which directors say is needed to maintain the site, a cost that critics say undercuts the idea of ensuring that all the world can visit and learn from the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001.

Because after airfare, lodging, restaurants, and car rental, that $24 is too high a hurdle. I guess not everybody has had their 15 minutes of Fark.
 
2014-01-26 02:07:35 AM
www.truthaboutit.net
lol, wut?
 
2014-01-26 02:16:08 AM
I'd prefer the ticket price over corporate sponsorship.

"Line up here for the Twin Towers Memorial, and for Twin Towers that will COLLAPSE YOUR HUNGER, declare jihad on a Twix!"
 
2014-01-26 02:31:24 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd prefer the ticket price over corporate sponsorship.

"Line up here for the Twin Towers Memorial, and for Twin Towers that will COLLAPSE YOUR HUNGER, declare jihad on a Twix!"


The 9/11 Memorial Museum is two, two, two memorials in one!

Double your memorial, double your fun!
 
2014-01-26 02:50:46 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd prefer the ticket price over corporate sponsorship.

"Line up here for the Twin Towers Memorial, and for Twin Towers that will COLLAPSE YOUR HUNGER, declare jihad on a Twix!"


media.carbonated.tv
 
2014-01-26 02:59:56 AM
Clearly there is a hefty farking fee.

/museums don't exist outside of the economy, morons.
 
2014-01-26 03:03:18 AM

propasaurus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd prefer the ticket price over corporate sponsorship.

"Line up here for the Twin Towers Memorial, and for Twin Towers that will COLLAPSE YOUR HUNGER, declare jihad on a Twix!"

[media.carbonated.tv image 639x361]


So very, very wrong. And yet, so perfectly perfect.

Speaking of Subway, the derpy outrage is strong over Michelle Obama's endorsement of their products' healthiness.
 
2014-01-26 03:18:48 AM

propasaurus: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd prefer the ticket price over corporate sponsorship.

"Line up here for the Twin Towers Memorial, and for Twin Towers that will COLLAPSE YOUR HUNGER, declare jihad on a Twix!"

[media.carbonated.tv image 639x361]


Starbucks could trot out this retro ad (Summer of 2002):
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2014-01-26 03:24:47 AM
*throws in $1.05
 
2014-01-26 03:26:46 AM
Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).
///seriously no puns were intended
 
2014-01-26 03:27:23 AM
People who have an issue with this and that it should rather not exist are assholes.

Seriously, you think maintaining an exhibit costs nothing? fark you.
 
2014-01-26 03:29:23 AM
rexcurry.net
 
2014-01-26 03:29:46 AM
Buck o five.
 
2014-01-26 03:30:04 AM
Why the hell would anyone want to go to New York in the first place? You would have to pay me a lot to step foot there. But then I guess I could afford the "depression tour".
 
2014-01-26 03:31:42 AM

Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).


McDachau's?
 
2014-01-26 03:32:30 AM
What would yew dew...
 
2014-01-26 03:37:31 AM
The only memorial needed for that tragedy (in New York, anyway) was the giant empty hole where the towers once stood. I visited the site in 2005 and I still get chills.

Not every tragedy needs a billion-dollar memorial, damnit. But on a side note, I don't remember the DC Holocaust museum having an entrance fee.
 
2014-01-26 03:38:14 AM
Any museums going up for the 1000+ 9/11's inflicted on Iraq because they didn't do it?

The best thing to take away from 9/11 is 'never react to an attack like that again'.
 
2014-01-26 03:39:18 AM
AirForceVet But still, they whine like babies about having to pay federal income taxes

Al Qaeda's cost of 9/11 175K-250K (Hijackers wired back their leftover $ to fund future operations)
US Cost 20 Billion
NY Cleanup 95 Billion
Longest War in History 3.3 Trillion (by one example average cost to Al Qaeda of IED $30.00, US rehab lost of soldiers & equip in the billions)

So sure, you blame the farkin' Tea Party
 
2014-01-26 03:39:47 AM
Just another word for nothing left to lose.
 
2014-01-26 03:40:37 AM
What happens if someone crashes the place?
 
2014-01-26 03:41:03 AM

Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).
///seriously no puns were intended


So does it have the Arby's Macht Fries sign?

I've seen Büchenwald, the one where the commandant and his wife went all Ed Gein and had skin lamp shades and nipple belts and stuff made. Its like Buffalo Bill got put in charge of a concentration camp. The SShad him hanged for being a sick war criminal, thats an accomplishment.
 
2014-01-26 03:42:34 AM

Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.


I thought work made it free.

furtherglory.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-26 03:42:50 AM
As long as he people with an actual connection to the tragedy get in free, I have no problem with this. It's not like they're barring poor people from visiting the grounds- the cost is just for the museum part.
 
2014-01-26 03:43:15 AM
Sure, but what about all the elementary schools that wanna have their field trips there and negotiate or demand free tickets? Hows that gonna work? I'm thinking a 24 Dollar ticket price deserves some exclusivity. Take for instance my home. When I owned an 80k house, not exclusive. But now a 250k house buys a lot more exclusivity. That being said, not too many families are going to pony up for the price either. You can do a lot on NYC in lieu of a ticket.
 
2014-01-26 03:45:05 AM

TomD9938: Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).

McDachau's?


Yeah it was a surreal trip to and from for sure.
 
2014-01-26 03:47:07 AM

Wrencher: Why the hell would anyone want to go to New York in the first place? You would have to pay me a lot to step foot there. But then I guess I could afford the "depression tour".


I'm certain you will be missed there by everyone.
 
2014-01-26 03:47:32 AM
JerkyMeat:

And who would want to go to that place anyway?  All it represents is the day america was attacked by its own government and blamed it all on muslims and then took away the constitution, created a police state while all their buddies profit from the war economy. That's all.
The memorial is a farking disgrace to the what the nation once represented and once was.


This.  I will never visit this museum.  I could give a damn about any 9-11 jingoism.  I am sorry what happened to the victims, but it's national travesty how certain politicians and part of the American public decided it was an opportunity to piss all over what makes this county great.
 
2014-01-26 03:48:40 AM

TomD9938: Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).

McDachau's?



Work will make you fries.
 
2014-01-26 03:48:56 AM
The whole thing seems a bit morbid to me. If people want to pay to see that stuff, that's their business, I guess. Not something that is going on my to-do list though.
 
2014-01-26 03:52:29 AM

Oldiron_79: Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).
///seriously no puns were intended

So does it have the Arby's Macht Fries sign?

I've seen Büchenwald, the one where the commandant and his wife went all Ed Gein and had skin lamp shades and nipple belts and stuff made. Its like Buffalo Bill got put in charge of a concentration camp. The SShad him hanged for being a sick war criminal, thats an accomplishment.


I just remember some younger German visitors crying at the Dachau museum. It didn't feel right walking those grounds, but I understand it's purpose.
 
2014-01-26 03:53:40 AM
Freedom is more of a "buy one, get one free (of equal or lesser value)" kind of thing.

But if you want to shell out some cash to see a watch, some firefighter helmets, pictures of people, and part of an ambulance, that's up to you.  I don't even want to think about what they would have for sale in their gift shop.
 
2014-01-26 04:00:27 AM

DrBenway: Wrencher: Why the hell would anyone want to go to New York in the first place? You would have to pay me a lot to step foot there. But then I guess I could afford the "depression tour".

I'm certain you will be missed there by everyone.


Well, that just proves what a sad life they lead...
 
2014-01-26 04:01:17 AM
Freedom was != to the Government of the united states

/The nazis won in '45
//And again in 2001
///Importing 100000 of thousands of Nazis was a bad idea
////Don't paperclip me bro!
 
2014-01-26 04:11:43 AM
Were people under the impression this was going to be free to all comers? Maybe they want the museum to throw in free meals and a stay at the closest Hilton as well?

And in re this: a cost that critics say undercuts the idea of ensuring that all the world can visit and learn from the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. I know what "all the world visiting and learning" is going to be: It will be 50% Real Americans (tm) wandering around, taking pictures, throwing trash on the ground because underpaid workers will pick it up, whining because their Hoverrounds won't fit up the stairs, and yelling at their whiny brats to "JUST STOP climbing on the displays!"; 25% will be Asian tourists also taking pictures but not knowing exactly what they're taking pictures of; and the other 25% will be assorted foreign nationals protesting either American intrusion into their business or protesting other foreign nationals protesting America. And nobody will be "learning" jack sh*t.

So just save your $24 dollars and spend it on a Mickey Mouse stuffed animal at Disneyland, you whiners. Jesus.
 
2014-01-26 04:12:50 AM

Fista-Phobia: Oldiron_79: Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).
///seriously no puns were intended

So does it have the Arby's Macht Fries sign?

I've seen Büchenwald, the one where the commandant and his wife went all Ed Gein and had skin lamp shades and nipple belts and stuff made. Its like Buffalo Bill got put in charge of a concentration camp. The SShad him hanged for being a sick war criminal, thats an accomplishment.

I just remember some younger German visitors crying at the Dachau museum. It didn't feel right walking those grounds, but I understand it's purpose.


Yeah I dont even think someone sick enough to run one would WANT to be there and run one.
 
2014-01-26 04:13:40 AM
Just about every major museum/art gallery in the UK is free, subsidised by the government. It's a brilliant scheme, and when it was suggested the policy was to be reversed there was an outcry. Attendance is through the roof.

A nations history and heritage should not be the preserve of the wealthy.
 
2014-01-26 04:20:26 AM

Gyrfalcon: Were people under the impression this was going to be free to all comers? Maybe they want the museum to throw in free meals and a stay at the closest Hilton as well?

And in re this: a cost that critics say undercuts the idea of ensuring that all the world can visit and learn from the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. I know what "all the world visiting and learning" is going to be: It will be 50% Real Americans (tm) wandering around, taking pictures, throwing trash on the ground because underpaid workers will pick it up, whining because their Hoverrounds won't fit up the stairs, and yelling at their whiny brats to "JUST STOP climbing on the displays!"; 25% will be Asian tourists also taking pictures but not knowing exactly what they're taking pictures of; and the other 25% will be assorted foreign nationals protesting either American intrusion into their business or protesting other foreign nationals protesting America. And nobody will be "learning" jack sh*t.

So just save your $24 dollars and spend it on a Mickey Mouse stuffed animal at Disneyland, you whiners. Jesus.


Fark don't spend it on that place in Kentucky FFS nothing can justify that!
/Still want my monkey from the other thread
 
2014-01-26 04:20:56 AM
Yawn.

Wouldn't go if it were free.  Would go if they paid me enough, but I'm thinking that's at least $91,100.00
 
2014-01-26 04:26:48 AM

gwowen: Just about every major museum/art gallery in the UK is free, subsidised by the government. It's a brilliant scheme, and when it was suggested the policy was to be reversed there was an outcry. Attendance is through the roof.

A nations history and heritage should not be the preserve of the wealthy.


Your nation will subsidize museums and art galleries.

We have to have fights with our so-called Congress every time a museum wants to have an exhibit where there might be nipples.
 
2014-01-26 04:31:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: Were people under the impression this was going to be free to all comers? Maybe they want the museum to throw in free meals and a stay at the closest Hilton as well?

And in re this: a cost that critics say undercuts the idea of ensuring that all the world can visit and learn from the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. I know what "all the world visiting and learning" is going to be: It will be 50% Real Americans (tm) wandering around, taking pictures, throwing trash on the ground because underpaid workers will pick it up, whining because their Hoverrounds won't fit up the stairs, and yelling at their whiny brats to "JUST STOP climbing on the displays!"; 25% will be Asian tourists also taking pictures but not knowing exactly what they're taking pictures of; and the other 25% will be assorted foreign nationals protesting either American intrusion into their business or protesting other foreign nationals protesting America. And nobody will be "learning" jack sh*t.

So just save your $24 dollars and spend it on a Mickey Mouse stuffed animal at Disneyland, you whiners. Jesus.


What is there to learn, anyway? Well, maybe some structural engineering lessons, and some things for first responders not to do if there's a next time. Will the museum cover that adequately, or at all? I'll bet not, even if they could do a good job of it in the 2 minutes max anyone will ever spend in front of any given exhibit. I know what rubble looks like. I know what dead people look like. I never had any illusions that our government was consistently efficient or competent, or that the Shrub and his buddies were anything other than asleep at the switch. Suffice it to say, non-issue because I have absolutely zero interest in ever going to that museum.
 
2014-01-26 04:35:26 AM

Fista-Phobia: Well I know sure as shiat the Dachau museum wasn't free either.

/Still has receipt for a Big Rösti.
//Bought at the Dachau McDonald's (at the train station).
///seriously no puns were intended


The Dachau concentration camp, along with all other concentration camp sites are free to visit. You probably paid for the guided tour.
 
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