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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Texas drops algebra II so students have time to focus on high paying jobs "such as at Toyota's factory in San Antonio or oil and chemical giant BASF"   (sltrib.com ) divider line
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2014-01-25 09:07:19 PM  
Cuz in Texas, the only math they need to know is that USA is #1.....fark yeah!
 
2014-01-25 09:07:26 PM  
It's their job to stamp out mindless corporate drones, so what are you biatching about??
 
2014-01-25 09:09:27 PM  
Yes, because those jobs will be there long term.  This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.
 
2014-01-25 09:10:09 PM  

Nuclear Monk: Cuz in Texas, the only math they need to know is that USA is #1.....fark yeah!


Its funny because this manner of thinking is in no way the same thing you're trying to make fun of!
 
2014-01-25 09:11:16 PM  

Nuclear Monk: Cuz in Texas, the only math they need to know is that USA Texas is #1.....fark yeah!


FTFY
 
2014-01-25 09:11:20 PM  
I dunno, even a lot of workaday programming can be done with minimal advanced math. What is algebra 2 good for?
 
2014-01-25 09:11:23 PM  

iaazathot: This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.


Why would the right bother doing what the left accomplished 30 years ago?
 
2014-01-25 09:12:26 PM  

Yogimus: Nuclear Monk: Cuz in Texas, the only math they need to know is that USA is #1.....fark yeah!

Its funny because this manner of thinking is in no way the same thing you're trying to make fun of!


In the USA somehow "Americua, fark YEAH!" is equated to worship of CEOs that protect the American way by making sure we race to the bottom.
 
2014-01-25 09:12:31 PM  
i.xstend.com

/sadly now has become fact
 
2014-01-25 09:13:02 PM  

Molavian: iaazathot: This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.

Why would the right bother doing what the left accomplished 30 years ago?


failure. I live with my mom
 
2014-01-25 09:13:40 PM  

TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: I dunno, even a lot of workaday programming can be done with minimal advanced math. What is algebra 2 good for?


I don't know about Algebra II, but I've used stuff from geometry and pre-calc to win those jelly bean guessing contests.
 
2014-01-25 09:13:55 PM  

TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: I dunno, even a lot of workaday programming can be done with minimal advanced math. What is algebra 2 good for?


There needs to be an "unintentionally hilarious" button.
 
2014-01-25 09:14:11 PM  
FTA:  "The state that started a trend by making high school students tackle algebra II is now abandoning the policy in a move praise by school districts for affording more flexibility. But some policy experts are nervous because nearly 20 states have followed Texas' lead in requiring the vigorous course."

So, Texas is just bringing it's curriculum requirements back in line with the majority of the nation?

FARK is stretching pretty hard to come up with a Texas hate thread.
 
2014-01-25 09:14:36 PM  
In NY you can have algebradfg ii and then not have a place to work thanks to the liberals.  You can work at taco bell if you are lucky.
 
2014-01-25 09:15:22 PM  

Click Click D'oh: FTA:  "The state that started a trend by making high school students tackle algebra II is now abandoning the policy in a move praise by school districts for affording more flexibility. But some policy experts are nervous because nearly 20 states have followed Texas' lead in requiring the vigorous course."

So, Texas is just bringing it's curriculum requirements back in line with the majority of the nation?

FARK is stretching pretty hard to come up with a Texas hate thread.


why the HELL would anyone want to do better than average??
 
2014-01-25 09:15:28 PM  
TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT


I'm completely certain you are in no way a troll account. And, yes, algorithms are unquestionably a requirement in Texas middle schools. No need to teach them in High School AGAIN, right?
 
2014-01-25 09:16:32 PM  
I believe this is a repeat. Let me check
 
2014-01-25 09:16:57 PM  
What's next? Trig?

/Get it?
//Get it???
 
2014-01-25 09:17:24 PM  
Two Rs come November.
 
2014-01-25 09:18:45 PM  

iaazathot: This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.


Both Toyota and BASF are incredibly huge multinational corporations with no allegiance to anything but money and investors. The "supporters" mentioned can only be the very wealthy 1%'ers or dumbshiats or politicians under their sway. Wave the flag with one hand and reduce the nation to serfdom with the other. And it's not just Texas.
 
2014-01-25 09:19:12 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: I believe this is a repeat. Let me check


http://m.fark.com/comments/8029138/Texas-Board-of-Education-Math-is-ha rd-work
 
2014-01-25 09:19:24 PM  

d23: Molavian: iaazathot: This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.

Why would the right bother doing what the left accomplished 30 years ago?

failure. I live with my mom


Lowering of standards to meet the lowest common denominator wasn't a right wing move, chuckles.
 
2014-01-25 09:19:52 PM  
if there is still the chance of upward mobility in a company...great. otherwise taking letters out of numbers will raise some hell later.
 
2014-01-25 09:20:09 PM  
I wanted to read the article, but when I clicked it a big popup appeared and couldn't be dismissed.
 
2014-01-25 09:21:38 PM  
Cuz that there algae-bra wuz made up by them there towelhead terrists.
 
2014-01-25 09:21:46 PM  
See knew what the top post would be. Did anyone rtfa.
1.Texas was the first state to require alg 2 for graduation.
2. 20 other states followed Texas' example but that still leaves 29 other states who don't require alg 2.
3. I have a ms in math and taught as a ta and at a junior college. My experience is that not every snowflake belongs in alg. 2. Dumping ur dumb kid into the class just waters everything down for the smart kids.
 
2014-01-25 09:22:03 PM  
I heard algebra was invented by Muslims
 
2014-01-25 09:22:20 PM  
The bigger problem is that one curriculum doesn't fit every student because they have different skills and talents. Schools really need to have a strong vocational education program that isn't just a dumping ground for miscreants, because not everyone is college track and some people need to be taught a lucrative trade in school. Just because someone didn't go to college doesn't mean they are a failure and a mark of shame to the educational system, because plenty of people make a good living as mechanics, electricians, welders, and other lines of work that don't require a college degree and advanced math skills.
 
2014-01-25 09:22:22 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: I dunno, even a lot of workaday programming can be done with minimal advanced math. What is algebra 2 good for?

There needs to be an "unintentionally hilarious" button.


Oh, I guess that is what algebra 2 is good for.
 
2014-01-25 09:22:38 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Cuz that there algae-bra wuz made up by them there towelhead terrists.


damn beat me to it
 
2014-01-25 09:22:53 PM  
It's required where I live in California, and even if it wasn't my son would be taking it because I said so.  As far as requiring it, I think it should be, but in the event that it's not, I bet it means the classes will run more smoothly because there will be less students that don't want to be there in the class or are incapable of learning the material, which will have similar benefits to putting ESL kids in ESL classes
 
2014-01-25 09:22:53 PM  
Stop being dipshiats, this is a good move. As a requirement, this is just one part of the institutionalized hard shove toward college that most people don't benefit from, while the bankers and deans laugh all the way to the bank. Bringing back shop class won't fix everything, but an increased emphasis on retraining, trade schools, and adult school is exactly what the country needs, not requiring more and more math on a culture that already hates it.

It may disgust many of you, but a huge swath of the country gets by just fine by paying other people or having a machine do whatever math they need. Same as my navigation skills are just about obsolete now that everyone has some sort of GPS.

/Foreign language requirements from elementary school on would be a great idea though. The skills and mental flexibility improves future prospects.
 
2014-01-25 09:23:40 PM  
FTA: "The state had allowed students to avoid taking algebra II under the stricter rules by earning a "minimum diploma," and about 20 percent of students did so. But lawmakers said it wasn't enough."

Seems they could have simply gone from calling it a "minimum diploma" to just "a high school diploma" if they just wanted to avoid stigmatizing kids that go that route. But hey, instead why not take it a step farther do away with the rules so there's an excuse to stigmatize those damn libby elitist kids who go the honors diploma route.
 
2014-01-25 09:23:55 PM  
Actually, they should drop algebra II and replace it with a statistics and probability course.
 
2014-01-25 09:25:04 PM  

Your Hind Brain: What's next? Trig?

/Get it?
//Get it???


A2 + b2 +c+=potato
 
2014-01-25 09:26:00 PM  
As a person who hated algebra in high school (and college :(), I can't say how idiotic this is on Texas' part.  Algebra is a foundation of higher math, and the STEM education that Republicans love to jack off about (particularly Jindal, who I've had to hear more than once with regards to my current place of work) has algebra as one of its cornerstones.
 
2014-01-25 09:26:17 PM  

TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: I dunno, even a lot of workaday programming can be done with minimal advanced math. What is algebra 2 good for?


using scientific notation? graphing solutions for quadratic equations?

/ guessing the curriculum hasn't changed THAT much since I took Algebra II ( 1980's )
 
2014-01-25 09:26:38 PM  

This About That: iaazathot: This is another blatant attempt of the right to destroy public education and reduce us to a 3rd world labor force.

Both Toyota and BASF are incredibly huge multinational corporations with no allegiance to anything but money and investors. The "supporters" mentioned can only be the very wealthy 1%'ers or dumbshiats or politicians under their sway. Wave the flag with one hand and reduce the nation to serfdom with the other. And it's not just Texas.


And even better, most of the time, you won't start out actually working for those companies per se these days.  Instead, you'll be working for Kelly Services, or Adecco, or whatever temp agency the large multinational corporation contracts out to in that area. And you'll work there for at least a few years, until you get "hired in"...and you'll work there for substantially less than those who are "hired in" make.
 
2014-01-25 09:27:02 PM  

foxyshadis: As a requirement, this is just one part of the institutionalized hard shove toward college that most people don't benefit from


americancenturyblog.com
 
2014-01-25 09:27:05 PM  
Also, stop hating the arts and liberal arts so much. STEM is wonderful, but people can and do make great livings in humanities and arts if they're willing to work for it. Not everyone is an underwater basket weaver intent on skating by getting high all day the rest of their life, and not everyone wants to be a mindless drone in a cube farm. Or live in a world where there is no escape from the god of productivity. Start honoring creativity, assholes.
 
2014-01-25 09:27:20 PM  
From the comments in this thread I have learned that Math is a Left-wing conspiracy. Which is awesome because now I know where to find the smart people. Thanks, Texas!
 
2014-01-25 09:27:41 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, they should drop algebra II and replace it with a statistics and probability course.


Why not both? I took both, along with calculus.
 
2014-01-25 09:28:17 PM  

bestie1: See knew what the top post would be. Did anyone rtfa.
1.Texas was the first state to require alg 2 for graduation.
2. 20 other states followed Texas' example but that still leaves 29 other states who don't require alg 2.
3. I have a ms in math and taught as a ta and at a junior college. My experience is that not every snowflake belongs in alg. 2. Dumping ur dumb kid into the class just waters everything down for the smart kids.


I was taking algebra and algebra II in junior high, but because of credit requirements and lack of offered options, had to retake them in high school... Sorry, I not only don't buy that not everyone is capable of learning algebra, I believe that algebra shouldn't be taught in high school because there's no reason for it to be taught much earlier... this would also allow the students to focus more on potential careers, without promoting uneducated graduates.
 
2014-01-25 09:28:20 PM  

gnosis301: As a person who hated algebra in high school (and college :(), I can't say how idiotic this is on Texas' part.  Algebra is a foundation of higher math...



You know how to tell who didn't read the article?  Texas isn't dropping Algebra.  Texas isn't even dropping Algebra 2.  Texas is dropping Algebra 2 from being a mandatory graduation requirement and is returning it to be an elective class for those who want to take it.
 
2014-01-25 09:28:33 PM  
In High School they had a rep from Wal*Mart's new distribution center come in. He told one class to forget about graduating and get a job there.

If I had been a teacher, they'd have had to get the police to drag me off him. Heck, had I been in that class I might have started in on him myself.

There's nothing that makes my blood boil quite like someone telling you to throw your life away.
 
2014-01-25 09:29:24 PM  

bestie1: See knew what the top post would be. Did anyone rtfa.
1.Texas was the first state to require alg 2 for graduation.
2. 20 other states followed Texas' example but that still leaves 29 other states who don't require alg 2.
3. I have a ms in math and taught as a ta and at a junior college. My experience is that not every snowflake belongs in alg. 2. Dumping ur dumb kid into the class just waters everything down for the smart kids.


This is think is the actual issue.  Should algebra II be required as part of the grad standard?

Personally I do think it should count, but as part of an suite of higher level classes where the student can select their advanced electives ala-carte.
 
2014-01-25 09:29:54 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The bigger problem is that one curriculum doesn't fit every student because they have different skills and talents. Schools really need to have a strong vocational education program that isn't just a dumping ground for miscreants, because not everyone is college track and some people need to be taught a lucrative trade in school. Just because someone didn't go to college doesn't mean they are a failure and a mark of shame to the educational system, because plenty of people make a good living as mechanics, electricians, welders, and other lines of work that don't require a college degree and advanced math skills.


So much this. Some of the more successful folks in my graduating class weren't brainy whiz kids, but they excelled in the vocational classes our school did offer and are now owners of dealerships, manufacturing businesses, and agricultural companies in the area that support a wide range of products and customers.

Not everyone is college material and expecting to pigeon hole every kid into that is nuts. It's a waste of money to force someone into a four year degree that offers no reasonably better chance at getting a good job these days. Not to mention that requiring a bachelors degree to answer phones and manage an office is also just so wtf.

I've had yet to use little more than basic algebra in the 14 years since I graduated college.
 
2014-01-25 09:30:39 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, they should drop algebra II and replace it with a statistics and probability course.


And they should do away with statics for mechanical engineering majors and have them start of on mechanics of materials.
 
2014-01-25 09:30:59 PM  
I Remember a couple years back, where they mothballed operations at Toyota there, and told employees they could use their accrued time off as vacation, and then they're on their own for the remaining time.
Toyota got so many perks to build a plant there, abatements and such, but that's small consolation when the plant shuts down. Again, I'm glad I moved from there, I've never held the education system in high regard, especially as a certified teacherm, I can see these kids overall are plenty dumb. There are some really smart ones out there,but the state is not making it easy for them to advance. Of course, I moved to  dumber state, but at least we don't have a huge fundie problem.
 
2014-01-25 09:31:14 PM  

foxyshadis: Also, stop hating the arts and liberal arts so much. STEM is wonderful, but people can and do make great livings in humanities and arts if they're willing to work for it. Not everyone is an underwater basket weaver intent on skating by getting high all day the rest of their life, and not everyone wants to be a mindless drone in a cube farm. Or live in a world where there is no escape from the god of productivity. Start honoring creativity, assholes.


It's actually not about not honoring creativity, rather it's about too many people going one direction.  The same could happen in the sciences as well.  There are a glut of degreed people with significant debt that do not have the skills the market needs, which means there's an even less chance they'll be productive in the community, as they'll spend whatever meager cash they get on loan maintenance.
 
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