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(IndyStar)   When the police, DCS, therapists, and hospital staff all agree that exorcism(s) are your best course of action and are willing to assist-- you might want to just find a new rental house   (indystar.com) divider line 35
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2014-01-25 05:08:26 PM  
10 votes:
It is a mental illness but one that every single person here could have. Happens when someone gets sick...and others all start feeling symptoms too. It's happened at schools where children have mysterious ailments that defy diagnosis...but the symptoms are all relatively psychosomatic.

They're not faking it. Certain stimulus can trigger these events (such as witnessing other people becoming sick, you are likely to feel sick or hypersensitive to how you're feeling at that moment as a result).

I read the entire article. I'm an atheist raised Catholic and when I was younger read tons of material on these types of things, because it fascinated me. Anyhoo, here's my unexpert opinion based on that and my studies in psychology/neuroscience. It's a close family who were facing financial hardships. They had moved to a new location, this also causes close families to become closer because they just have each other as they're in a new place. And Mom is very religious. She doesn't strike me as a constantly praying type, but she has very very deep religious beliefs which color all her experiences. There's plenty of people like this.

shiatload of flies show up in December. Weird, but I have no problems believing this happened though I also suspect the memory has become exaggerated as all such do. This event, continuing over the course of days/weeks started this whole thing, because she went to a supernatural explanation.

They became hypersensitive to such, and as a insulated family group...started all this. It's not the first time it's happened, and it fits specific patterns. Such specific patterns in fact, that prior to modern medicine the Catholic church had guidelines for dealing with it. And because the delusion is based in religious fevor, it can be 'cured' by the same.

If your kid really believes there are monsters under the bed, do you rationalize with them on why this cannot be in the middle of the night? Or do you comfort them and play along with their fears (checking closets, under the bed, etc). Unless you're a farking monster, you're going to want to comfort the child and show them it's okay.

I have no problems believing the family in this story was sincere. People affected by these types of delusions are 'playing along' but usually unconsciously. Or they have an awareness of it they are simply not capable of admitting (generally the kids). Kids often exaggerate things, especially when attention is being paid to it. Every kid has limped a little more than they needed to at one point, cried a little harder than they had to, because attention fosters that. Again, it doesn't mean you should smack them or deny them the attention, but it's important to recognize this dynamic.

There's mental health professionals that have said in cases of specific delusion such as this exorcisms are affective not for their supernatural value (of which there is none) but for their clinical value. Monster under the bed.

That's what happened here. And because the family WAS sincere, as were others involved, yes...others got sucked into the delusion as well. The article is smart to mention that the people most deeply affected ALSO held supernatural beliefs (if not in demons, then ghosts and the like).

And because the people involved were sincere, and probably highly honest people who truly believe what they're recounting...this story will circle around for a long time as 'PROOF' and 'EVIDENCE' of this nonsense even though in reality it's nothing of the kind.

In fact, when 'haunted houses' have been found to cause no problems for others, the excuse given is that the FAMILY is haunted, not the house. Had this family been moved as a group after this happened, it would have likely continued elsewhere. The children continued to show symptoms until reunited with Mom who believed the problem was fixed with exorcism.

All that being said, they're not bad people. I'm sure they're actually pretty good people, and she's probably a mother who truly deeply cares for her kids; after all she did everything they told her to get them back. But it was a series of preventable events that started due to religious fervor. This only harmed the family for a short time, but this type of literal insanity can be very very dangerous when directed outward.

Like children accusing others of being witches, etc. We live in modern times, with modern medicine and technology. Show me footage of someone levitating in a bed. No? I don't disbelieve that THEY believe it. I just haven't seen physics violated, and would very much like to see that!

And with all the modern technology, UFO bullshiat is dying out because everyone has a cell phone that can make movies. Setting up cameras in rooms of people who claim frequent abductions isn't difficult with data storage today. And what have we found? Liars, and those who aren't lying have health issues that fooled them into their beliefs.

It's also important to note that these types of delusions aren't purely isolated to woo beliefs (supernatural horseshiat). There are people who believe mold makes their whole family sick (which in some cases, does happen to people) where no mold is found, or no HARMFUL mold has been found and all the symptoms are psychosomatic. People who believe power lines are making them sick. It all centers around a false belief though, that then their hypervigilance reinforces again and again.

Interesting stuff...but not demonic. Not supernatural.

/Of course if you can prove otherwise, James Randi has a million bucks for you.
2014-01-25 03:27:44 PM  
8 votes:
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2014-01-25 04:19:06 PM  
6 votes:
Mom was mentally ill and wound up the kids (or b. they're mentally ill too c. the kids started messing with her or all three). Religious officials/doctors/conmen that Mom shopped for reinforced her delusions. She keeps the kids out of school so they don't have access to outside information & guidance.

Finally, next to racecar drivers, cops are the most superstitious people on Earth, are usually religious, and love adrenalin and telling war stories. If they weren't already all revved up to believe in something they wouldn't have changed the batteries in their flashlights, assuming that's even true.

Muchausen's by proxy except instead of poisoning the kids' food Mom is messing with their minds. And now she gets even more attention/reward for doing it.

Sorry to Scully this one but it's not fun like a haunted house or Bloody Mary. It's real kids and it's pretty messed up.

/that's just like my opinion man
2014-01-25 04:10:45 PM  
5 votes:
I really don't believe any of this.  Since everyone has a damn camera phone now, there's no excuse for not having photos.  Hospitals also have camera systems installed everywhere, so where's that video?
2014-01-25 03:59:08 PM  
5 votes:
there are no such things as ghosts or demons or angels.

gullible people are gullible.

Confabulat: Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?



this.  one load of horseshiat, coming right up.
2014-01-25 03:49:07 PM  
5 votes:

quatchi: Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.


Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?
2014-01-25 03:44:51 PM  
5 votes:
Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.
2014-01-25 04:35:11 PM  
3 votes:
If you live in Gary, IN period, you'd wanna consider a new town altogether. Even some of the most thug arseholes in Chicago won't set foot there.
2014-01-25 04:32:10 PM  
3 votes:
"But moving wasn't an option for the cash-strapped family. "

When the kids are levitating over the beds, YOU DRIVE TO FARKING FLORIDA AND SLEEP ON  BENCH IF  YOU HAVE TO
2014-01-25 06:50:02 PM  
2 votes:
I wish I could live in THIS possessed house:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6ooox.gif  (Because Fark really needs to allow more space for image posts)
2014-01-25 04:50:41 PM  
2 votes:
If you'd like to have a logical explanation
How I happened on this elegant syncopation,
I will say without a moment of hesitation
There is just one place
That can light my face.
Gary, Indiana
2014-01-25 04:40:29 PM  
2 votes:
Or a new country not populated Ruled by sky fairy worshiping ignoramuses
2014-01-25 04:25:53 PM  
2 votes:
It's 2014. Ain't no ghosts, no demons, no bigfoot, no angels, no Santa. So tired of people treating these delusions with any bit of seriousness... Any claim like this should be met with simply, "Bullshiat; show me."
2014-01-25 04:12:26 PM  
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: The mother is speaking on the condition that her children aren't named. If there are pictures then making them public would pretty much violate that condition.


[churchlady]

How Convenient.

Stick me in the pile of people who think she's mentally ill and that her delusions made her family perform on cue through some farked up group delusion process.

I liked the batteries dying bit, that was a nice twist.
2014-01-25 04:10:24 PM  
2 votes:
Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?
2014-01-25 04:06:01 PM  
2 votes:

quatchi: Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.


The mother is speaking on the condition that her children aren't named. If there are pictures then making them public would pretty much violate that condition.
2014-01-25 03:21:23 PM  
2 votes:

xanadian: Well, that was a big dose of WTF.


Yeah, it's not normal that you get official documents talking about a kid "walking" up a wall.
2014-01-25 03:19:21 PM  
2 votes:
Well, that was a big dose of WTF.
2014-01-25 02:54:07 PM  
2 votes:
I read a helluva lot of news, magazine articles, etc.-- and this is without doubt one of the most farked up things i've ever read. I'm not even catholic(Apatheist in fact) and it creeped me the hell out.
2014-01-25 09:00:27 PM  
1 votes:
I read it twice. Cliff Notes version for those too lazy to read it:

1. A poor, uneducated woman with an unusually high belief in boogetymen/Jebus stuff got in trouble with Children Services for being a lousy mom. Her kids were even taken from her for a while since they weren't going to school, stayed up til 2am, and general parenting issues.

2. The Indy Star is a far worse paper than I previously imagined.

3. Most of the article is editorializing.Very few legit quotes, and mostly things like "the report said".

4. Kids being kids, they knew how to work the mom and were assumedly encouraged to do so.

5. The only physical "evidence" mentioned ( 2 blurry photos and an audio saying "hey") was not presented for obvious reasons.

6. The doctor mentioned got his undergrad degree from Obafemi Awolowo College of Health Sciences, Mozambique. (Googled)

7. The priest has a history of controversy (Googled )

8. The available info from DCS is very straight-forward and mentions very little hocus-pocus stuff. The request for release is about getting counseling, finding schools and actual doctors, working on parental skills etc.

9. Almost every event is debunked in the next sentence, especially the cops and audio/electric problems that were minimal at best.

10. Someone has seen the Amityville Horror and the Exorcist more than once, especially the part about flies.

11. The only "event" is some kid walking backwards. In the report, a 9 year old said that they saw it. It's written quite differently in the DCS report than in the article. The kid did some flip off of a wall. It doesn't say he went far up the wall. A nurse named "Willie Lee" said she saw it, the other person wouldn't be interviewed.

12. The report said that religious shrines and Bibles were found throughout the home.

13. The author should hang her head in shame. This was a bunch of crapola.
2014-01-25 07:36:20 PM  
1 votes:

vicioushobbit: HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?

You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.


I'm an atheist but I believe in tuff like this and honestly believe I have seen/heard stuff like this in a much tam version. I also have no problem believing both. When I say I'm an atheist I mean that I have no specific belief in any sort of greater power. I'm not saying there isn't, I just haven't seen enough proof to convince me of it. Ghosts and supernatural stuff, for me, is just some sort of weird natural phenomena that we can't explain yet. It doesn't mean it's all created or controlled by some supreme being either. It's just something we can't explain at this point in time.
2014-01-25 07:25:37 PM  
1 votes:

flucto: I'm not saying I believe the story, but only complete sociopaths say "hey let me grab my camera and record this horrible thing happening to my kids" and not "huh, better do something"


That's true, the first time, where the family is concerned. It's less true the second time, particularly when they want to prove their story to the psychiatrist who is threatening their custody. It's starting to beggar belief by the time third parties are there and there have been multiple incidents.
2014-01-25 06:59:56 PM  
1 votes:

ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall


I don't think there's intentional lying going on, they lost (custody, etc) and haven't profited and don't seem like they're trying to profit. I think it's safe to assume that they're being honest. Wrong, and delusional...but honest. Being honest and telling the truth you believe doesn't make it reality, it's through their biases that we see everything. Which is why that account is trotted out, because the CPS worker saw it. The same CPS worker that is mentioned (IIRC) later in the article attending exorcisms. So we don't know that this person IS an unbiased witness.

But even if the person was an unbiased witness doesn't mean they weren't mistaken. They're primed with all the information of what's been going on, and the kid never let go the woman's hands. My youngest brother was a wire-y kid and fearless as a kid. FEARLESS. Scared my mother to death. Just playing around at home he'd climb on the top of the couch and launch himself off at me and my other brother, doing WWF stuff. He did plenty of stuff that people found unbelievable. Everyone has known a kid like this at some point. My brother thankfully didn't become an adrenaline junkie and calmed down enough that he's still alive today, but if you've ever seen a fearless kid, these are the kids who often die in various accidents before 30 because they just don't have the normal fear response.

My brother could have walked backwards up a wall and flipped over my mom when losing his shiat in a tantrum when young. He really could have. And this seems to be something most people can believe (because you've met a squirrely kid) and so the hinge point becomes 'he glided, GLIDED, backwards up the wall!'

But people who believe these stories always seem to go to 'WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!' and the reality is, you often can't after the fact. There's just not enough information. All we have here is 3 people who saw something. 1 person has no memory of it (the child). The 2 adults are severely compromised. Eyewitness testimony at best...farking sucks. And our brains constantly revise our memories, we're not digital recorders. Not even close.

So, I think the people involved are honest and were well meaning...but were delusional. It's possible they are not honest & have a motive of attention seeking or money or whatever...but I don't think so. And certainly even if it were the case, others fell into the delusion quite easily. Because we're all susceptible to it. Now, I couldn't fall into this shiat, because I'm an atheist. But if they believed there had been chemical exposure and fell ill, that's a situation I could fall into. All of us are susceptible to it, and there's plenty of cases of it.
2014-01-25 06:41:40 PM  
1 votes:

wellreadneck: Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?


LOL. Took me a moment.
2014-01-25 06:40:06 PM  
1 votes:
This thread is possessed by demons.
2014-01-25 06:14:21 PM  
1 votes:

bestie1: The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.


That is deeply odd, but the account is somewhat incoherent. He's described both as walking and gliding and as flipping over his grandmother yet she is said never to have let go of his hands.

I wonder if the reason this mystery persists is that the medical community has concentrated on the mother as 'perpetrator' when she may, like the kids, be the victim of the grandmother's violent delusions.

"Campbell said the demons didn't affect her because she was born with protection from evil."

That reads like the kind of belief instilled in a child by a parent.
2014-01-25 06:00:15 PM  
1 votes:

optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?


The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)
2014-01-25 05:58:05 PM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?


You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.
2014-01-25 05:07:27 PM  
1 votes:
Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?
2014-01-25 05:06:32 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Richie is possessed?


vinylrecords.ch
2014-01-25 05:01:20 PM  
1 votes:
After reading this story do you:
A)  Believe in bad writing.
2014-01-25 04:37:14 PM  
1 votes:
Mold or airborne disease in the house maybe?
2014-01-25 04:35:43 PM  
1 votes:
Unlike all the other reports of demonic possession that turned out to be hoaxes, this one is 100% true. The first one, in fact.
2014-01-25 04:34:55 PM  
1 votes:

flucto: "But moving wasn't an option for the cash-strapped family. "

When the kids are levitating over the beds, YOU DRIVE TO FARKING FLORIDA AND SLEEP ON  BENCH IF  YOU HAVE TO


Hi, welcome to Fark.  I invite you to look for stories under the Florida tag.  I would pretty much drive anywhere else.
2014-01-25 04:16:58 PM  
1 votes:
I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.
 
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