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2014-01-25 05:40:11 PM
"Everybody gotta go."
 
2014-01-25 05:46:31 PM

brainiac-dumdum: albatros183: simplicimus: !

Keanu; Cruise meh will you correct my spelling now?

And Al Pacino, not De Niro


Just because I am wrong about both of the main characters (I assert) means nothing, my point still stands
/OK no but I assert it none the less and as Keanu teached us in wallstreet that is all that matters!
 
2014-01-25 05:56:00 PM

fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?


because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?
 
2014-01-25 05:56:44 PM
And yet no films, pictures, or recordings of said possessions. All those officials going into the house, and not one picture, at all, to prove anything.

/Bullshiat story is bullshiat.
 
2014-01-25 05:57:21 PM
I had supernatural things happen to my family a lot growing up. Strangely enough, it all stopped when we kids grew up and stopped believing everything my parents said at face value. It's easier to explain with science now what used to be explained as "the ghost is messing with the house again."

I still love ghost stories.
 
2014-01-25 05:58:05 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?


You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.
 
2014-01-25 05:58:47 PM

baronbloodbath: I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.



I have a non-newtonian fluid. Does that count?
 
2014-01-25 06:00:15 PM

optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?


The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)
 
2014-01-25 06:03:10 PM

Lady Indica: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)


Sorry to quote myself, but forgot to add in fairness...generally speaking Catholic priests won't immediately go down the road of 'yes it's demons!', it has to go through a chain of command w/in the church and they do require medical involvement to 'exclude' mental illness. So basically they only end up doing these hysteria cases. Or it's a priest acting on their own without authority.

But yeah the church still believes in demonic possession and still maintains (last I knew) training exorcists to perform sanctioned exorcisms.
 
2014-01-25 06:03:57 PM
The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.

I would like to compliment the paper and the author. It takes a lot of courage for a 12 year old kid with downs syndrome to publish an article like that.
 
2014-01-25 06:06:36 PM

Sheila_McSly: Religious officials/doctors/conmen that Mom shopped for reinforced her delusions.


That was my first takeaway.

Neondistraction: Did anyone else notice how every single person mentioned in TFA that claims to have witnessed paranormal events already believed in ghosts and/or demons beforehand?  Isn't that a happy coincidence.


That was the other thought I had by the end of the article.  Even the landlord only sounds slightly swayed because the Catholic Church is involved.  I'm not sure why they're still considered credible, but he's probably an older guy who believes they're mostly good.
 
2014-01-25 06:14:21 PM

bestie1: The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.


That is deeply odd, but the account is somewhat incoherent. He's described both as walking and gliding and as flipping over his grandmother yet she is said never to have let go of his hands.

I wonder if the reason this mystery persists is that the medical community has concentrated on the mother as 'perpetrator' when she may, like the kids, be the victim of the grandmother's violent delusions.

"Campbell said the demons didn't affect her because she was born with protection from evil."

That reads like the kind of belief instilled in a child by a parent.
 
2014-01-25 06:15:05 PM

Lady Indica: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)


THE POWER OF DOG COMPELS YOU!
 
2014-01-25 06:21:47 PM

fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?


Being an atheist means you've already turned your life over to Satan.
 
2014-01-25 06:26:13 PM

baronbloodbath: I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.


you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

on a side note walking directly through the wall without disturbing the molecular structure of either is also in acceptable probability ranges as well though highly unlikely
 
2014-01-25 06:30:24 PM

ThreeFootSmurf: you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.


Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.
 
2014-01-25 06:31:35 PM
MrsGsboy:
Being an atheist means you've already turned your life over to Satan.

LOL at "If you don't believe in the imaginary man in the sky I DO like, you obviously believe in the imaginary man in the sky I DON'T like."

Also, I asked my friends Bigfoot, Santa, God, and Honest Politician what they thought of this story (it's our poker night, so they were all in the house anyway), and they all thought it was a load of crap.
 
2014-01-25 06:36:59 PM

FarkinNortherner: ThreeFootSmurf: you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.


Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?
 
2014-01-25 06:38:07 PM

Speef: I asked my friends Bigfoot, Santa, God, and Honest Politician what they thought of this story


One of these things is not like the other!
 
2014-01-25 06:40:06 PM
This thread is possessed by demons.
 
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2014-01-25 06:40:23 PM

ThreeFootSmurf: probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.


You're talking hundreds or thousands of zeros. That ain't acceptable. We're talking at the level of all the air going to the corner of the room so you suffocate level of probability.
 
2014-01-25 06:41:40 PM

wellreadneck: Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?


LOL. Took me a moment.
 
2014-01-25 06:41:46 PM

FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.


like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall
 
2014-01-25 06:42:07 PM
"The family said demons possessed Ammons and her children, then ages 7, 9 and 12. The kids' eyes bulged, evil smiles crossed their faces, and their voices deepened every time it happened, Campbell and Ammons said",

It always sucks when puberty comes early.
 
2014-01-25 06:42:56 PM

rpm: ThreeFootSmurf: probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

You're talking hundreds or thousands of zeros. That ain't acceptable. We're talking at the level of all the air going to the corner of the room so you suffocate level of probability.


Just because something has a probability doesn't mean in reality it's something we'd treat as realistically possible, especially once you start getting into infinities. Or as Stephen Gould said "In science, fact can only mean confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent. I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms."
 
2014-01-25 06:50:02 PM
I wish I could live in THIS possessed house:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6ooox.gif  (Because Fark really needs to allow more space for image posts)
 
2014-01-25 06:52:05 PM

ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall


The fact the he never let go of her hand makes me think this was a trick. Similar to the Indian Rope trick.
 
2014-01-25 06:56:02 PM
FTFA:Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.
According to their account of events, Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, praying.


Well, that's certainly a lot more credible than "Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, taking numerous pictures with cameras and phone which appear to corroborate their claims (see below)" would have been, isn't it?
 
2014-01-25 06:57:47 PM

orbister: FTFA:Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.
According to their account of events, Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, praying.

Well, that's certainly a lot more credible than "Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, taking numerous pictures with cameras and phone which appear to corroborate their claims (see below)" would have been, isn't it?


I'm not saying I believe the story, but only complete sociopaths say "hey let me grab my camera and record this horrible thing happening to my kids" and not "huh, better do something"
 
2014-01-25 06:59:56 PM

ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall


I don't think there's intentional lying going on, they lost (custody, etc) and haven't profited and don't seem like they're trying to profit. I think it's safe to assume that they're being honest. Wrong, and delusional...but honest. Being honest and telling the truth you believe doesn't make it reality, it's through their biases that we see everything. Which is why that account is trotted out, because the CPS worker saw it. The same CPS worker that is mentioned (IIRC) later in the article attending exorcisms. So we don't know that this person IS an unbiased witness.

But even if the person was an unbiased witness doesn't mean they weren't mistaken. They're primed with all the information of what's been going on, and the kid never let go the woman's hands. My youngest brother was a wire-y kid and fearless as a kid. FEARLESS. Scared my mother to death. Just playing around at home he'd climb on the top of the couch and launch himself off at me and my other brother, doing WWF stuff. He did plenty of stuff that people found unbelievable. Everyone has known a kid like this at some point. My brother thankfully didn't become an adrenaline junkie and calmed down enough that he's still alive today, but if you've ever seen a fearless kid, these are the kids who often die in various accidents before 30 because they just don't have the normal fear response.

My brother could have walked backwards up a wall and flipped over my mom when losing his shiat in a tantrum when young. He really could have. And this seems to be something most people can believe (because you've met a squirrely kid) and so the hinge point becomes 'he glided, GLIDED, backwards up the wall!'

But people who believe these stories always seem to go to 'WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!' and the reality is, you often can't after the fact. There's just not enough information. All we have here is 3 people who saw something. 1 person has no memory of it (the child). The 2 adults are severely compromised. Eyewitness testimony at best...farking sucks. And our brains constantly revise our memories, we're not digital recorders. Not even close.

So, I think the people involved are honest and were well meaning...but were delusional. It's possible they are not honest & have a motive of attention seeking or money or whatever...but I don't think so. And certainly even if it were the case, others fell into the delusion quite easily. Because we're all susceptible to it. Now, I couldn't fall into this shiat, because I'm an atheist. But if they believed there had been chemical exposure and fell ill, that's a situation I could fall into. All of us are susceptible to it, and there's plenty of cases of it.
 
2014-01-25 07:09:41 PM

Lady Indica: Sorry to quote myself, but forgot to add in fairness...generally speaking Catholic priests won't immediately go down the road of 'yes it's demons!', it has to go through a chain of command w/in the church and they do require medical involvement to 'exclude' mental illness. So basically they only end up doing these hysteria cases. Or it's a priest acting on their own without authority.

But yeah the church still believes in demonic possession and still maintains (last I knew) training exorcists to perform sanctioned exorcisms


Went to a Catholic school, had a priest there who was about 60-65 years old who told all the students he had performed a fairly significant number of exorcisms, some pretty recently. This was around 1999-2003. So yeah, it apparently still happens.

He later stepped down amidst molestation accusations during all that mess. Not really relevant, still just annoyed by how much indoctrination those people pushed.
 
2014-01-25 07:11:43 PM

fusillade762: This thread is possessed by demons.


The power of Fark compels you!
 
2014-01-25 07:20:44 PM

TV's Vinnie: I wish I could live in THIS possessed house:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6ooox.gif  (Because Fark really needs to allow more space for image posts)


She could spin my head around a few times.
 
2014-01-25 07:25:37 PM

flucto: I'm not saying I believe the story, but only complete sociopaths say "hey let me grab my camera and record this horrible thing happening to my kids" and not "huh, better do something"


That's true, the first time, where the family is concerned. It's less true the second time, particularly when they want to prove their story to the psychiatrist who is threatening their custody. It's starting to beggar belief by the time third parties are there and there have been multiple incidents.
 
2014-01-25 07:28:49 PM

FarkinNortherner: That's true, the first time, where the family is concerned. It's less true the second time, particularly when they want to prove their story to the psychiatrist who is threatening their custody. It's starting to beggar belief by the time third parties are there and there have been multiple incidents.


Maybe you've never met really crazy people.
 
2014-01-25 07:32:12 PM
  Anyone that believed this story, please contact me.  I have ocean front properties in Kansas that are quite the steal!
 
2014-01-25 07:35:01 PM
All I'm gonna say is, if I were a demon and haunting a family, you'd get totally different results.

Think about it.  If there were a demonic realm, and if demons were here to bring hell to Earth, then what the hell is this?  Are we just getting the bench warmers?  Kids eyes popping out?  Oooh, scary.  Levitating?  Knocking?  Leaving wet footprints?

They'd have to be the most incompetent, ineffectual demons there could possibly be.  I'm only surprised to hear the demons didn't make them sandwhiches and then angered them by putting on plain yellow mustard instead of spicy mustard.  That's the plain level of evil at work here.

Seriously, the demonic sandwich from ATHF did better work than this.  So how can anyone hear a story like THIS and take it even the tiniest bit seriously?
 
2014-01-25 07:35:40 PM
He walked up the wall backwards and across the ceiling.  Where was the camera?

Cool bro!
 
2014-01-25 07:36:20 PM

vicioushobbit: HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?

You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.


I'm an atheist but I believe in tuff like this and honestly believe I have seen/heard stuff like this in a much tam version. I also have no problem believing both. When I say I'm an atheist I mean that I have no specific belief in any sort of greater power. I'm not saying there isn't, I just haven't seen enough proof to convince me of it. Ghosts and supernatural stuff, for me, is just some sort of weird natural phenomena that we can't explain yet. It doesn't mean it's all created or controlled by some supreme being either. It's just something we can't explain at this point in time.
 
2014-01-25 07:44:22 PM

simplicimus: Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?


Santeros can do exorcisms as well. There are also a lot of similar folk traditions that allow it to be done.

I might be wrong, but I understand that most of the protestant Christian denominations don't accept demonic possession as a possibility, whereas Catholicism does, and folk tradition does; so that's why it's pretty much only Catholics or folk magic witch doctors who can do exorcisms.
 
2014-01-25 07:53:17 PM

Glitchwerks: I really don't believe any of this.  Since everyone has a damn camera phone now, there's no excuse for not having photos.  Hospitals also have camera systems installed everywhere, so where's that video?


Posting video or pictures would be a violation of law. If it really happened at all.
 
2014-01-25 07:59:11 PM

Glitchwerks: fusillade762: This thread is possessed by demons.

The power of Fark compels you!


I cast thee back to /b/!!
 
2014-01-25 07:59:38 PM

simplicimus: Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?


Clearly, you haven't been following the TV show "Sleepy Hollow."  A demon possessed a young girl and snapped a Catholic priests neck for fun. Only a revolutionary-war-era oil lamp could compel the demon out and return it to hell.
 
2014-01-25 07:59:53 PM

meteorite: When I say I'm an atheist I mean that I have no specific belief in any sort of greater power. I'm not saying there isn't, I just haven't seen enough proof to convince me of it.


Pretty sure that makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
 
2014-01-25 08:06:25 PM
"Sleeping or waking, we hear not the airy footsteps of the strange things that almost happen"
Nathaniel Hawthorne
 
2014-01-25 08:26:18 PM
Folie a deux.
 
2014-01-25 08:37:54 PM
How did I know that this would be centered around someone who was not an educated WASP?
 
2014-01-25 08:45:57 PM
In the last decade the Catholic Church has been training many more priests in exorcisms. Sounds like they are widely used around the world.
 
2014-01-25 08:46:01 PM

hardinparamedic: [img.fark.net image 640x668]


What do you have against doing the Hokey-Pokey?
 
2014-01-25 08:47:24 PM

genner: I have a non-newtonian fluid. Does that count?


Damn you.  You sent me off on a half-hour exploration of non-newtonian fluids.  The liquid body armor (thin Kevlar treated with a liquid mixture of ethylene glycol + silica nano-particles) looked cool, but it doesn't seem to have made it out of the Army's labs.
 
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