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(IndyStar)   When the police, DCS, therapists, and hospital staff all agree that exorcism(s) are your best course of action and are willing to assist-- you might want to just find a new rental house   (indystar.com) divider line 118
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2014-01-25 02:54:07 PM  
I read a helluva lot of news, magazine articles, etc.-- and this is without doubt one of the most farked up things i've ever read. I'm not even catholic(Apatheist in fact) and it creeped me the hell out.
 
2014-01-25 03:08:29 PM  

dugitman: I read a helluva lot of news, magazine articles, etc.-- and this is without doubt one of the most farked up things i've ever read. I'm not even catholic(Apatheist in fact) and it creeped me the hell out.


Definitely creeped me out too.
 
2014-01-25 03:19:21 PM  
Well, that was a big dose of WTF.
 
2014-01-25 03:21:23 PM  

xanadian: Well, that was a big dose of WTF.


Yeah, it's not normal that you get official documents talking about a kid "walking" up a wall.
 
2014-01-25 03:27:44 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-25 03:44:51 PM  
Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2014-01-25 03:49:07 PM  

quatchi: Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.


Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?
 
2014-01-25 03:59:08 PM  
there are no such things as ghosts or demons or angels.

gullible people are gullible.

Confabulat: Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?



this.  one load of horseshiat, coming right up.
 
2014-01-25 04:05:42 PM  
The first option should have been to move out.  Most people would.
I did not read the whole article since I don't want to think about that stuff today, but I read far enough to know they are trying too hard.
Just leave.  Maybe call a priest to do a space clearing.  Trouble with houses is easier to fix than a possessed person.
 
2014-01-25 04:06:01 PM  

quatchi: Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.

Pics or it didn't happen.


The mother is speaking on the condition that her children aren't named. If there are pictures then making them public would pretty much violate that condition.
 
2014-01-25 04:07:37 PM  
Shut the fark up, stop posting this farking bullshiat! I stopped reading at the second line, after I saw:

A 9-year-old boy walking backward up a wall in the presence of a family case manager and hospital nurse.

Shut the fark Up!
 
2014-01-25 04:10:03 PM  
Eddie Murphy misled me.

Movie be just like this: [brother's voice] "Wow, baby, this is beautiful. We got chandelier hangin' up here, kids outside playin', it's a beautiful neighborhood, I really love - this is beaut--" [demonic whisper] "Get out!" [brother's voice] "Too bad we can't stay." [instantly spins, starts walking upstage]
 
2014-01-25 04:10:24 PM  
Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?
 
2014-01-25 04:10:45 PM  
I really don't believe any of this.  Since everyone has a damn camera phone now, there's no excuse for not having photos.  Hospitals also have camera systems installed everywhere, so where's that video?
 
2014-01-25 04:12:26 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: The mother is speaking on the condition that her children aren't named. If there are pictures then making them public would pretty much violate that condition.


[churchlady]

How Convenient.

Stick me in the pile of people who think she's mentally ill and that her delusions made her family perform on cue through some farked up group delusion process.

I liked the batteries dying bit, that was a nice twist.
 
2014-01-25 04:16:58 PM  
I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.
 
2014-01-25 04:19:06 PM  
Mom was mentally ill and wound up the kids (or b. they're mentally ill too c. the kids started messing with her or all three). Religious officials/doctors/conmen that Mom shopped for reinforced her delusions. She keeps the kids out of school so they don't have access to outside information & guidance.

Finally, next to racecar drivers, cops are the most superstitious people on Earth, are usually religious, and love adrenalin and telling war stories. If they weren't already all revved up to believe in something they wouldn't have changed the batteries in their flashlights, assuming that's even true.

Muchausen's by proxy except instead of poisoning the kids' food Mom is messing with their minds. And now she gets even more attention/reward for doing it.

Sorry to Scully this one but it's not fun like a haunted house or Bloody Mary. It's real kids and it's pretty messed up.

/that's just like my opinion man
 
2014-01-25 04:19:18 PM  

jtown: Eddie Murphy misled me.

Movie be just like this: [brother's voice] "Wow, baby, this is beautiful. We got chandelier hangin' up here, kids outside playin', it's a beautiful neighborhood, I really love - this is beaut--" [demonic whisper] "Get out!" [brother's voice] "Too bad we can't stay." [instantly spins, starts walking upstage]


Now I'm actually curious about the article, but came to post pretty much this.

/Are they white people?  Do they see blood in the toilet and say 'well, this is peculiar'?
 
2014-01-25 04:19:32 PM  
Can the kid still do the walk up walls thing?  I've had a frisbee stuck on my roof for years.
 
2014-01-25 04:25:53 PM  
It's 2014. Ain't no ghosts, no demons, no bigfoot, no angels, no Santa. So tired of people treating these delusions with any bit of seriousness... Any claim like this should be met with simply, "Bullshiat; show me."
 
2014-01-25 04:29:29 PM  
Tap, tap, tap...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-25 04:30:52 PM  
I am however open to the idea that the mom is having a personal encounter with evil, not just the one she thinks she's having. I'm a skeptic, not amoral.

/at least I have my agnosticism to comfort me through the difficult times.
 
2014-01-25 04:32:10 PM  
"But moving wasn't an option for the cash-strapped family. "

When the kids are levitating over the beds, YOU DRIVE TO FARKING FLORIDA AND SLEEP ON  BENCH IF  YOU HAVE TO
 
2014-01-25 04:34:55 PM  

flucto: "But moving wasn't an option for the cash-strapped family. "

When the kids are levitating over the beds, YOU DRIVE TO FARKING FLORIDA AND SLEEP ON  BENCH IF  YOU HAVE TO


Hi, welcome to Fark.  I invite you to look for stories under the Florida tag.  I would pretty much drive anywhere else.
 
2014-01-25 04:35:11 PM  
If you live in Gary, IN period, you'd wanna consider a new town altogether. Even some of the most thug arseholes in Chicago won't set foot there.
 
2014-01-25 04:35:43 PM  
Unlike all the other reports of demonic possession that turned out to be hoaxes, this one is 100% true. The first one, in fact.
 
2014-01-25 04:37:14 PM  
Mold or airborne disease in the house maybe?
 
2014-01-25 04:39:04 PM  

techgeek07: Hi, welcome to Fark.


Well it is my first day here but I did pick Florida for a reason.
 
2014-01-25 04:40:29 PM  
Or a new country not populated Ruled by sky fairy worshiping ignoramuses
 
2014-01-25 04:41:52 PM  
I've never understood why Satan or whatever would do this. Wouldn't it just drive the victims to Jesus? "The  greatest trick the  Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

/proud atheist
//love a good ghost story
///slashies come in threes
 
2014-01-25 04:50:00 PM  

albatros183: Or a new country not populated Ruled by sky fairy worshiping ignoramuses


bye.
 
2014-01-25 04:50:41 PM  
If you'd like to have a logical explanation
How I happened on this elegant syncopation,
I will say without a moment of hesitation
There is just one place
That can light my face.
Gary, Indiana
 
2014-01-25 05:01:20 PM  
After reading this story do you:
A)  Believe in bad writing.
 
2014-01-25 05:01:36 PM  
when's the movie coming out?
 
2014-01-25 05:06:32 PM  

Lionel Richie is possessed?


vinylrecords.ch
 
2014-01-25 05:07:27 PM  
Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?
 
2014-01-25 05:08:24 PM  
We laugh at and/or are appalled by the stupidity of those folk in African countries that have faith in the witch doctors who will cut up unfortunate Albinos for the magic value of their body parts. Even though no one is chopping up humans for the prayers and exorcisms that act as the spells in this particular tale, it still doesn't make this story any less ludicrous than tales involving the backwards rituals people employ elsewhere on this planet.

Seems the landlord said there were no problems in the home before or after Ammons and her family lived there. Funny that.

The most amazing thing ever is that people can be so ridiculously stupid and still no die from it.
 
2014-01-25 05:08:26 PM  
It is a mental illness but one that every single person here could have. Happens when someone gets sick...and others all start feeling symptoms too. It's happened at schools where children have mysterious ailments that defy diagnosis...but the symptoms are all relatively psychosomatic.

They're not faking it. Certain stimulus can trigger these events (such as witnessing other people becoming sick, you are likely to feel sick or hypersensitive to how you're feeling at that moment as a result).

I read the entire article. I'm an atheist raised Catholic and when I was younger read tons of material on these types of things, because it fascinated me. Anyhoo, here's my unexpert opinion based on that and my studies in psychology/neuroscience. It's a close family who were facing financial hardships. They had moved to a new location, this also causes close families to become closer because they just have each other as they're in a new place. And Mom is very religious. She doesn't strike me as a constantly praying type, but she has very very deep religious beliefs which color all her experiences. There's plenty of people like this.

shiatload of flies show up in December. Weird, but I have no problems believing this happened though I also suspect the memory has become exaggerated as all such do. This event, continuing over the course of days/weeks started this whole thing, because she went to a supernatural explanation.

They became hypersensitive to such, and as a insulated family group...started all this. It's not the first time it's happened, and it fits specific patterns. Such specific patterns in fact, that prior to modern medicine the Catholic church had guidelines for dealing with it. And because the delusion is based in religious fevor, it can be 'cured' by the same.

If your kid really believes there are monsters under the bed, do you rationalize with them on why this cannot be in the middle of the night? Or do you comfort them and play along with their fears (checking closets, under the bed, etc). Unless you're a farking monster, you're going to want to comfort the child and show them it's okay.

I have no problems believing the family in this story was sincere. People affected by these types of delusions are 'playing along' but usually unconsciously. Or they have an awareness of it they are simply not capable of admitting (generally the kids). Kids often exaggerate things, especially when attention is being paid to it. Every kid has limped a little more than they needed to at one point, cried a little harder than they had to, because attention fosters that. Again, it doesn't mean you should smack them or deny them the attention, but it's important to recognize this dynamic.

There's mental health professionals that have said in cases of specific delusion such as this exorcisms are affective not for their supernatural value (of which there is none) but for their clinical value. Monster under the bed.

That's what happened here. And because the family WAS sincere, as were others involved, yes...others got sucked into the delusion as well. The article is smart to mention that the people most deeply affected ALSO held supernatural beliefs (if not in demons, then ghosts and the like).

And because the people involved were sincere, and probably highly honest people who truly believe what they're recounting...this story will circle around for a long time as 'PROOF' and 'EVIDENCE' of this nonsense even though in reality it's nothing of the kind.

In fact, when 'haunted houses' have been found to cause no problems for others, the excuse given is that the FAMILY is haunted, not the house. Had this family been moved as a group after this happened, it would have likely continued elsewhere. The children continued to show symptoms until reunited with Mom who believed the problem was fixed with exorcism.

All that being said, they're not bad people. I'm sure they're actually pretty good people, and she's probably a mother who truly deeply cares for her kids; after all she did everything they told her to get them back. But it was a series of preventable events that started due to religious fervor. This only harmed the family for a short time, but this type of literal insanity can be very very dangerous when directed outward.

Like children accusing others of being witches, etc. We live in modern times, with modern medicine and technology. Show me footage of someone levitating in a bed. No? I don't disbelieve that THEY believe it. I just haven't seen physics violated, and would very much like to see that!

And with all the modern technology, UFO bullshiat is dying out because everyone has a cell phone that can make movies. Setting up cameras in rooms of people who claim frequent abductions isn't difficult with data storage today. And what have we found? Liars, and those who aren't lying have health issues that fooled them into their beliefs.

It's also important to note that these types of delusions aren't purely isolated to woo beliefs (supernatural horseshiat). There are people who believe mold makes their whole family sick (which in some cases, does happen to people) where no mold is found, or no HARMFUL mold has been found and all the symptoms are psychosomatic. People who believe power lines are making them sick. It all centers around a false belief though, that then their hypervigilance reinforces again and again.

Interesting stuff...but not demonic. Not supernatural.

/Of course if you can prove otherwise, James Randi has a million bucks for you.
 
2014-01-25 05:08:54 PM  

99.998er: Lionel Richie is possessed?
[vinylrecords.ch image 530x420]


The Shoulders!
 
2014-01-25 05:09:51 PM  
But she told police she was scared when it happened and ran out of the room. As for Walker, Washington said, "he ran out of the room with me."

Damn right I did. Ain't nobody got time for that.

/good thing I didn't read that article at night. Creepy as f*ck
 
2014-01-25 05:10:59 PM  
Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?
 
2014-01-25 05:12:15 PM  

Psychohazard: After reading this story do you:
A)  Believe in bad writing.


C) believe in the bible
 
2014-01-25 05:13:21 PM  
Did anyone else notice how every single person mentioned in TFA that claims to have witnessed paranormal events already believed in ghosts and/or demons beforehand?  Isn't that a happy coincidence.
 
2014-01-25 05:16:01 PM  

optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?


I watched the Devils advocate the other day so I know that 100% of demonic instances are tom cruise or Robert de niro.

/Scientology FTW!
 
2014-01-25 05:18:32 PM  

albatros183: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

I watched the Devils advocate the other day so I know that 100% of demonic instances are tom cruise or Robert de niro.

/Scientology FTW!


If you watched Devil's Advocate with Cruise and De Niro, you may want to see a priest.
 
2014-01-25 05:25:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: [img.fark.net image 640x668]


This.   Yeah, if your hospital is telling you to get an exorcism, rent a house in someplace where the doctors and cops don't believe in hoodoo.
 
2014-01-25 05:37:14 PM  

simplicimus: !


Keanu; Cruise meh will you correct my spelling now?
 
2014-01-25 05:37:44 PM  
Creepy. I don't believe a word of it, but creepy.
 
2014-01-25 05:38:44 PM  
 
2014-01-25 05:39:36 PM  

albatros183: simplicimus: !

Keanu; Cruise meh will you correct my spelling now?


And Al Pacino, not De Niro
 
2014-01-25 05:40:11 PM  
"Everybody gotta go."
 
2014-01-25 05:46:31 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: albatros183: simplicimus: !

Keanu; Cruise meh will you correct my spelling now?

And Al Pacino, not De Niro


Just because I am wrong about both of the main characters (I assert) means nothing, my point still stands
/OK no but I assert it none the less and as Keanu teached us in wallstreet that is all that matters!
 
2014-01-25 05:56:44 PM  
And yet no films, pictures, or recordings of said possessions. All those officials going into the house, and not one picture, at all, to prove anything.

/Bullshiat story is bullshiat.
 
2014-01-25 05:57:21 PM  
I had supernatural things happen to my family a lot growing up. Strangely enough, it all stopped when we kids grew up and stopped believing everything my parents said at face value. It's easier to explain with science now what used to be explained as "the ghost is messing with the house again."

I still love ghost stories.
 
2014-01-25 05:58:05 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?


You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.
 
2014-01-25 05:58:47 PM  

baronbloodbath: I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.



I have a non-newtonian fluid. Does that count?
 
2014-01-25 06:00:15 PM  

optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?


The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)
 
2014-01-25 06:03:10 PM  

Lady Indica: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)


Sorry to quote myself, but forgot to add in fairness...generally speaking Catholic priests won't immediately go down the road of 'yes it's demons!', it has to go through a chain of command w/in the church and they do require medical involvement to 'exclude' mental illness. So basically they only end up doing these hysteria cases. Or it's a priest acting on their own without authority.

But yeah the church still believes in demonic possession and still maintains (last I knew) training exorcists to perform sanctioned exorcisms.
 
2014-01-25 06:03:57 PM  
The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.

I would like to compliment the paper and the author. It takes a lot of courage for a 12 year old kid with downs syndrome to publish an article like that.
 
2014-01-25 06:06:36 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Religious officials/doctors/conmen that Mom shopped for reinforced her delusions.


That was my first takeaway.

Neondistraction: Did anyone else notice how every single person mentioned in TFA that claims to have witnessed paranormal events already believed in ghosts and/or demons beforehand?  Isn't that a happy coincidence.


That was the other thought I had by the end of the article.  Even the landlord only sounds slightly swayed because the Catholic Church is involved.  I'm not sure why they're still considered credible, but he's probably an older guy who believes they're mostly good.
 
2014-01-25 06:14:21 PM  

bestie1: The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.


That is deeply odd, but the account is somewhat incoherent. He's described both as walking and gliding and as flipping over his grandmother yet she is said never to have let go of his hands.

I wonder if the reason this mystery persists is that the medical community has concentrated on the mother as 'perpetrator' when she may, like the kids, be the victim of the grandmother's violent delusions.

"Campbell said the demons didn't affect her because she was born with protection from evil."

That reads like the kind of belief instilled in a child by a parent.
 
2014-01-25 06:15:05 PM  

Lady Indica: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)


THE POWER OF DOG COMPELS YOU!
 
2014-01-25 06:21:47 PM  

fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?


Being an atheist means you've already turned your life over to Satan.
 
2014-01-25 06:26:13 PM  

baronbloodbath: I only have faith in one thing.  The laws of physics.

You start breaking the laws of physics, like walking backwards up a wall, I'll believe anything you say.


you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

on a side note walking directly through the wall without disturbing the molecular structure of either is also in acceptable probability ranges as well though highly unlikely
 
2014-01-25 06:30:24 PM  

ThreeFootSmurf: you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.


Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.
 
2014-01-25 06:31:35 PM  
MrsGsboy:
Being an atheist means you've already turned your life over to Satan.

LOL at "If you don't believe in the imaginary man in the sky I DO like, you obviously believe in the imaginary man in the sky I DON'T like."

Also, I asked my friends Bigfoot, Santa, God, and Honest Politician what they thought of this story (it's our poker night, so they were all in the house anyway), and they all thought it was a load of crap.
 
2014-01-25 06:36:59 PM  

FarkinNortherner: ThreeFootSmurf: you know it is not entirely against the laws of physics to be able to walk up a wall. we all emit a magnetic field, everything actually emits a magnetic field no matter how small. it has been show that a living beings magnetic field changes continuously. now here is the stretch part but within the realm of possibilities.f say that due to some unforeseen influence the the magnetic field of the boy near his feet strengthened to one polarity and that the general field of the material the wall was made out of was of the opposite polarity. that would allow for someone to walk up a wall. probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.


Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?
 
2014-01-25 06:38:07 PM  

Speef: I asked my friends Bigfoot, Santa, God, and Honest Politician what they thought of this story


One of these things is not like the other!
 
2014-01-25 06:40:06 PM  
This thread is possessed by demons.
 
rpm
2014-01-25 06:40:23 PM  

ThreeFootSmurf: probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.


You're talking hundreds or thousands of zeros. That ain't acceptable. We're talking at the level of all the air going to the corner of the room so you suffocate level of probability.
 
2014-01-25 06:41:40 PM  

wellreadneck: Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?


LOL. Took me a moment.
 
2014-01-25 06:41:46 PM  

FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.


like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall
 
2014-01-25 06:42:07 PM  
"The family said demons possessed Ammons and her children, then ages 7, 9 and 12. The kids' eyes bulged, evil smiles crossed their faces, and their voices deepened every time it happened, Campbell and Ammons said",

It always sucks when puberty comes early.
 
2014-01-25 06:42:56 PM  

rpm: ThreeFootSmurf: probability of this happening i would say is extremely low but it is still within general acceptable probability ranges.

You're talking hundreds or thousands of zeros. That ain't acceptable. We're talking at the level of all the air going to the corner of the room so you suffocate level of probability.


Just because something has a probability doesn't mean in reality it's something we'd treat as realistically possible, especially once you start getting into infinities. Or as Stephen Gould said "In science, fact can only mean confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent. I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms."
 
2014-01-25 06:50:02 PM  
I wish I could live in THIS possessed house:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6ooox.gif  (Because Fark really needs to allow more space for image posts)
 
2014-01-25 06:52:05 PM  

ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall


The fact the he never let go of her hand makes me think this was a trick. Similar to the Indian Rope trick.
 
2014-01-25 06:56:02 PM  
FTFA:Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.
According to their account of events, Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, praying.


Well, that's certainly a lot more credible than "Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, taking numerous pictures with cameras and phone which appear to corroborate their claims (see below)" would have been, isn't it?
 
2014-01-25 06:57:47 PM  

orbister: FTFA:Ammons and Campbell said the 12-year-old was levitating above the bed, unconscious.
According to their account of events, Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, praying.

Well, that's certainly a lot more credible than "Ammons and several others surrounded the girl, taking numerous pictures with cameras and phone which appear to corroborate their claims (see below)" would have been, isn't it?


I'm not saying I believe the story, but only complete sociopaths say "hey let me grab my camera and record this horrible thing happening to my kids" and not "huh, better do something"
 
2014-01-25 06:59:56 PM  

ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall


I don't think there's intentional lying going on, they lost (custody, etc) and haven't profited and don't seem like they're trying to profit. I think it's safe to assume that they're being honest. Wrong, and delusional...but honest. Being honest and telling the truth you believe doesn't make it reality, it's through their biases that we see everything. Which is why that account is trotted out, because the CPS worker saw it. The same CPS worker that is mentioned (IIRC) later in the article attending exorcisms. So we don't know that this person IS an unbiased witness.

But even if the person was an unbiased witness doesn't mean they weren't mistaken. They're primed with all the information of what's been going on, and the kid never let go the woman's hands. My youngest brother was a wire-y kid and fearless as a kid. FEARLESS. Scared my mother to death. Just playing around at home he'd climb on the top of the couch and launch himself off at me and my other brother, doing WWF stuff. He did plenty of stuff that people found unbelievable. Everyone has known a kid like this at some point. My brother thankfully didn't become an adrenaline junkie and calmed down enough that he's still alive today, but if you've ever seen a fearless kid, these are the kids who often die in various accidents before 30 because they just don't have the normal fear response.

My brother could have walked backwards up a wall and flipped over my mom when losing his shiat in a tantrum when young. He really could have. And this seems to be something most people can believe (because you've met a squirrely kid) and so the hinge point becomes 'he glided, GLIDED, backwards up the wall!'

But people who believe these stories always seem to go to 'WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!' and the reality is, you often can't after the fact. There's just not enough information. All we have here is 3 people who saw something. 1 person has no memory of it (the child). The 2 adults are severely compromised. Eyewitness testimony at best...farking sucks. And our brains constantly revise our memories, we're not digital recorders. Not even close.

So, I think the people involved are honest and were well meaning...but were delusional. It's possible they are not honest & have a motive of attention seeking or money or whatever...but I don't think so. And certainly even if it were the case, others fell into the delusion quite easily. Because we're all susceptible to it. Now, I couldn't fall into this shiat, because I'm an atheist. But if they believed there had been chemical exposure and fell ill, that's a situation I could fall into. All of us are susceptible to it, and there's plenty of cases of it.
 
2014-01-25 07:09:41 PM  

Lady Indica: Sorry to quote myself, but forgot to add in fairness...generally speaking Catholic priests won't immediately go down the road of 'yes it's demons!', it has to go through a chain of command w/in the church and they do require medical involvement to 'exclude' mental illness. So basically they only end up doing these hysteria cases. Or it's a priest acting on their own without authority.

But yeah the church still believes in demonic possession and still maintains (last I knew) training exorcists to perform sanctioned exorcisms


Went to a Catholic school, had a priest there who was about 60-65 years old who told all the students he had performed a fairly significant number of exorcisms, some pretty recently. This was around 1999-2003. So yeah, it apparently still happens.

He later stepped down amidst molestation accusations during all that mess. Not really relevant, still just annoyed by how much indoctrination those people pushed.
 
2014-01-25 07:11:43 PM  

fusillade762: This thread is possessed by demons.


The power of Fark compels you!
 
2014-01-25 07:20:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I wish I could live in THIS possessed house:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6ooox.gif  (Because Fark really needs to allow more space for image posts)


She could spin my head around a few times.
 
2014-01-25 07:25:37 PM  

flucto: I'm not saying I believe the story, but only complete sociopaths say "hey let me grab my camera and record this horrible thing happening to my kids" and not "huh, better do something"


That's true, the first time, where the family is concerned. It's less true the second time, particularly when they want to prove their story to the psychiatrist who is threatening their custody. It's starting to beggar belief by the time third parties are there and there have been multiple incidents.
 
2014-01-25 07:28:49 PM  

FarkinNortherner: That's true, the first time, where the family is concerned. It's less true the second time, particularly when they want to prove their story to the psychiatrist who is threatening their custody. It's starting to beggar belief by the time third parties are there and there have been multiple incidents.


Maybe you've never met really crazy people.
 
2014-01-25 07:32:12 PM  
  Anyone that believed this story, please contact me.  I have ocean front properties in Kansas that are quite the steal!
 
2014-01-25 07:35:01 PM  
All I'm gonna say is, if I were a demon and haunting a family, you'd get totally different results.

Think about it.  If there were a demonic realm, and if demons were here to bring hell to Earth, then what the hell is this?  Are we just getting the bench warmers?  Kids eyes popping out?  Oooh, scary.  Levitating?  Knocking?  Leaving wet footprints?

They'd have to be the most incompetent, ineffectual demons there could possibly be.  I'm only surprised to hear the demons didn't make them sandwhiches and then angered them by putting on plain yellow mustard instead of spicy mustard.  That's the plain level of evil at work here.

Seriously, the demonic sandwich from ATHF did better work than this.  So how can anyone hear a story like THIS and take it even the tiniest bit seriously?
 
2014-01-25 07:35:40 PM  
He walked up the wall backwards and across the ceiling.  Where was the camera?

Cool bro!
 
2014-01-25 07:36:20 PM  

vicioushobbit: HindiDiscoMonster: fusillade762: Funny that these things always seem to happen to religious people, no? You never hear of atheists having these problems.

Or do you?

because they wouldn't be Atheist any more?

You can believe In the supernatural without being theist.

Ghosts =\= God.


I'm an atheist but I believe in tuff like this and honestly believe I have seen/heard stuff like this in a much tam version. I also have no problem believing both. When I say I'm an atheist I mean that I have no specific belief in any sort of greater power. I'm not saying there isn't, I just haven't seen enough proof to convince me of it. Ghosts and supernatural stuff, for me, is just some sort of weird natural phenomena that we can't explain yet. It doesn't mean it's all created or controlled by some supreme being either. It's just something we can't explain at this point in time.
 
2014-01-25 07:44:22 PM  

simplicimus: Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?


Santeros can do exorcisms as well. There are also a lot of similar folk traditions that allow it to be done.

I might be wrong, but I understand that most of the protestant Christian denominations don't accept demonic possession as a possibility, whereas Catholicism does, and folk tradition does; so that's why it's pretty much only Catholics or folk magic witch doctors who can do exorcisms.
 
2014-01-25 07:53:17 PM  

Glitchwerks: I really don't believe any of this.  Since everyone has a damn camera phone now, there's no excuse for not having photos.  Hospitals also have camera systems installed everywhere, so where's that video?


Posting video or pictures would be a violation of law. If it really happened at all.
 
2014-01-25 07:59:11 PM  

Glitchwerks: fusillade762: This thread is possessed by demons.

The power of Fark compels you!


I cast thee back to /b/!!
 
2014-01-25 07:59:38 PM  

simplicimus: Someone will buy the movie rights.
Why are only Catholic priests able to cast out demons? Demons hate Latin?


Clearly, you haven't been following the TV show "Sleepy Hollow."  A demon possessed a young girl and snapped a Catholic priests neck for fun. Only a revolutionary-war-era oil lamp could compel the demon out and return it to hell.
 
2014-01-25 07:59:53 PM  

meteorite: When I say I'm an atheist I mean that I have no specific belief in any sort of greater power. I'm not saying there isn't, I just haven't seen enough proof to convince me of it.


Pretty sure that makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
 
2014-01-25 08:06:25 PM  
"Sleeping or waking, we hear not the airy footsteps of the strange things that almost happen"
Nathaniel Hawthorne
 
2014-01-25 08:26:18 PM  
Folie a deux.
 
2014-01-25 08:37:54 PM  
How did I know that this would be centered around someone who was not an educated WASP?
 
2014-01-25 08:45:57 PM  
In the last decade the Catholic Church has been training many more priests in exorcisms. Sounds like they are widely used around the world.
 
2014-01-25 08:46:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: [img.fark.net image 640x668]


What do you have against doing the Hokey-Pokey?
 
2014-01-25 08:47:24 PM  

genner: I have a non-newtonian fluid. Does that count?


Damn you.  You sent me off on a half-hour exploration of non-newtonian fluids.  The liquid body armor (thin Kevlar treated with a liquid mixture of ethylene glycol + silica nano-particles) looked cool, but it doesn't seem to have made it out of the Army's labs.
 
2014-01-25 08:57:04 PM  

wellreadneck: Why would a black family from Gary even teach their son to walk backward?


They're Michael Jackson fans?
 
2014-01-25 09:00:27 PM  
I read it twice. Cliff Notes version for those too lazy to read it:

1. A poor, uneducated woman with an unusually high belief in boogetymen/Jebus stuff got in trouble with Children Services for being a lousy mom. Her kids were even taken from her for a while since they weren't going to school, stayed up til 2am, and general parenting issues.

2. The Indy Star is a far worse paper than I previously imagined.

3. Most of the article is editorializing.Very few legit quotes, and mostly things like "the report said".

4. Kids being kids, they knew how to work the mom and were assumedly encouraged to do so.

5. The only physical "evidence" mentioned ( 2 blurry photos and an audio saying "hey") was not presented for obvious reasons.

6. The doctor mentioned got his undergrad degree from Obafemi Awolowo College of Health Sciences, Mozambique. (Googled)

7. The priest has a history of controversy (Googled )

8. The available info from DCS is very straight-forward and mentions very little hocus-pocus stuff. The request for release is about getting counseling, finding schools and actual doctors, working on parental skills etc.

9. Almost every event is debunked in the next sentence, especially the cops and audio/electric problems that were minimal at best.

10. Someone has seen the Amityville Horror and the Exorcist more than once, especially the part about flies.

11. The only "event" is some kid walking backwards. In the report, a 9 year old said that they saw it. It's written quite differently in the DCS report than in the article. The kid did some flip off of a wall. It doesn't say he went far up the wall. A nurse named "Willie Lee" said she saw it, the other person wouldn't be interviewed.

12. The report said that religious shrines and Bibles were found throughout the home.

13. The author should hang her head in shame. This was a bunch of crapola.
 
2014-01-25 09:31:24 PM  

FarkinNortherner: bestie1: The only outlier is a DCS person seeing the kid walk backwards up the wall. Everything else could be explained.

That is deeply odd, but the account is somewhat incoherent. He's described both as walking and gliding and as flipping over his grandmother yet she is said never to have let go of his hands.

I wonder if the reason this mystery persists is that the medical community has concentrated on the mother as 'perpetrator' when she may, like the kids, be the victim of the grandmother's violent delusions.

"Campbell said the demons didn't affect her because she was born with protection from evil."

That reads like the kind of belief instilled in a child by a parent.


badhatharry: ThreeFootSmurf: FarkinNortherner: Or the grandmother taught him a gymnastic trick which he performed in the presence of gullible people who'd been 'primed' to expect paranormal events.

But, hey, Occam's razor definitely favours magical magnets. Or demons. Or something.

like i said Walking right through the wall has equal probability both though highly unlikely.

and the acrobatic trick is most likely saying grandma never let go of his hand while he climbed the wall

The fact the he never let go of her hand makes me think this was a trick. Similar to the Indian Rope trick.


You both nailed it. It's not the Indian Rope trick, though. In fact, it's not much of a trick - she's helping him climb up the wall by pushing toward him.
Combined with her statement that she's protected from demons tells me that she orchestrated the whole thing.
Also, I liked how the cops wiped down the blinds then left the room for 25 minutes. That's some good policework. If they stayed in the room, maybe they'd either see where the oil was coming from or it wouldn't happen - proving that someone was doing it.
Another good one was Ilic sticking her fingers in an unknown substance. (It could have been battery acid ffs!) Even better, she experiences pain in her finger and doesn't connect the two. The best part is all the accidents she experienced. Behold the power of suggestion!
But what really topped all that was the landlord saying the family were the only ones who had problems. youdontsay.jpg
It reminds me of a "ghost story" from when I was a kid. Some family got their name in the local news by claiming their house was haunted. The dad even claimed a "gay demon" had sexually abused him in the shower. It sounded like every haunted house story ever - stuff getting moved when nobody is around, furniture floating, mysterious noises and voices, etc. Then they moved and their new house was haunted too. Then the papers realized they'd been played and stopped giving them attention, and the family stopped talking about their "ghosts."
I think that's what's going on here.
 
2014-01-25 09:32:29 PM  

acohn: genner: I have a non-newtonian fluid. Does that count?

Damn you.  You sent me off on a half-hour exploration of non-newtonian fluids.  The liquid body armor (thin Kevlar treated with a liquid mixture of ethylene glycol + silica nano-particles) looked cool, but it doesn't seem to have made it out of the Army's labs.


Oobleck
 
2014-01-25 09:35:08 PM  

frepnog: there are no such things as ghosts or demons or angels.

gullible people are gullible.

Confabulat: Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?


this.  one load of horseshiat, coming right up.


tend to agree, but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is fairly extraordinary evidence here. Enough?  Hard to say. But having a truly scientific mind means being willing to completely abandon what you have formerly believed if presented with sufficient evidence
 
2014-01-25 09:59:19 PM  

Magorn: frepnog: there are no such things as ghosts or demons or angels.

gullible people are gullible.

Confabulat: Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?


this.  one load of horseshiat, coming right up.

tend to agree, but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is fairly extraordinary evidence here. Enough?  Hard to say. But having a truly scientific mind means being willing to completely abandon what you have formerly believed if presented with sufficient evidence


I'm not sure what evidence you refer to. I haven't seen any. Much of the article isn't backed up by the reports or differs quite a bit from them, the pictures aren't shown, nor is the recording available. Not only that, but every single thing reported in the article taken at face value can be explained as natural phenomenon.
 
2014-01-25 10:05:06 PM  

Lady Indica: Lady Indica: optikeye: Why is it that 99 percent of these demon houses, possessions, poltergeists are all Catholic families?

The family isn't Catholic. It's just that the Catholics are one of the few religions left that still do exorcisms, and will still treat this stuff as real. Your local Unitarian church isn't doing this shiat. :)

Sorry to quote myself, but forgot to add in fairness...generally speaking Catholic priests won't immediately go down the road of 'yes it's demons!', it has to go through a chain of command w/in the church and they do require medical involvement to 'exclude' mental illness. So basically they only end up doing these hysteria cases. Or it's a priest acting on their own without authority.

But yeah the church still believes in demonic possession and still maintains (last I knew) training exorcists to perform sanctioned exorcisms.


exactly,  look I tend not to credit any of this stuff either, but I am willing to accept, that some do, and some folks I deeply respect do.  For example, I knew and elderly priest once who was a man of learning and science, and also an ex-CIA operative specializing in "wetwork".  This was a cynical very practical man who once went full Liam Neeson on the phone with the head of a Columbian gang who'd kidnapped a parishioner. (It worked too,  the man was released unharmed).  And yet,  foir all that, he very reluctantly believed in...something....malicious and supernatural occasionally at work in the world...he...when he truly trusted you..would tell you some stories that at least he deeply believed that defy easy explanation.

And if we're being totally honest, I have had a personal encounter with something that cannot be explained without resorting to something beyond what is currently accepted as "natural" forces
 
2014-01-25 10:23:06 PM  

The hopeless imp: I'm not sure what evidence you refer to. I haven't seen any.


I see evidence of an incompetent mom, with an overzealous grandma goading  the grandkids into misbehaving. Add in a doctor who went to some BS voodoo school in Mozambique, lots of statements taken out of context, some editorializing and VOILA! Boogeymen in a red state.
 
2014-01-25 10:53:51 PM  

Magorn: tend to agree, but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is fairly extraordinary evidence here. Enough?  Hard to say. But having a truly scientific mind means being willing to completely abandon what you have formerly believed if presented with sufficient evidence


The problem is that all that's known is subjective, non-repeatable experiences. My wife has seen ghosts, even the ghost of my first wife. I myself have had no supernatural encounters. If anything, I have negative intuition. Every time I get a feeling something is going to happen, it doesn't. So either this stuff doesn't happen, or happens in a way we can't currently measure.
 
2014-01-25 11:04:18 PM  

The hopeless imp: Magorn: frepnog: there are no such things as ghosts or demons or angels.

gullible people are gullible.

Confabulat: Yeah none of these officials documents anything with a camera?


this.  one load of horseshiat, coming right up.

tend to agree, but, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is fairly extraordinary evidence here. Enough?  Hard to say. But having a truly scientific mind means being willing to completely abandon what you have formerly believed if presented with sufficient evidence

I'm not sure what evidence you refer to. I haven't seen any. Much of the article isn't backed up by the reports or differs quite a bit from them, the pictures aren't shown, nor is the recording available. Not only that, but every single thing reported in the article taken at face value can be explained as natural phenomenon.


This is it, in a nutshell.

I'm generally considered a humorless curmudgeon type - so I'll put this in a way that might read for others in my camp.

This is it. This happened. Gone are the crushing doubts or need for faith or want for knowledge of if there is a cosmic battle raging. Gone is the notion that there might very well be nothing. No, here is proof positive of the prosaic - demons, g-d, the debbil, souls, an afterlife. Well, I don't know about you but that's a relief. May as well stop arguing and just all agree. They got it right, everyone else on earth is patently and completely wrong, and all of those little things that humanity has wrestled with for countless millenniums are swept aside.

Or not. Or, it is in fact Bull$#!t.

Of those two, which is more likely. Even, assuming for a moment, you believed in all that nonsense why - and purely tactically - would any evil force ever manifest in such a prosaic and patently religious and g-d affirming manner? Seriously? Doubt and a profound lack of being able to be tested or any evidence seems to be winning on that front quite handily. Creepy factor and a high likelihood of some unwholesome stuff happening in that house aside, it's nonsense, pure and simple. The world these events want to convey is a simple.

That said... I'd still say they should check for 1) Gas Leaks 2) Infrasound. The latter is more of a diversion. The former is serious business and can kill your family dead. So if you're seeing crazy spooky scary stuff... please, for the love of all you consider holy, call the gas company BEFORE the priest.

/shrug
 
2014-01-25 11:22:06 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

The officers involved?
 
2014-01-25 11:39:58 PM  
FTA - "One of the police officers dug a 4-foot by 3-foot hole beneath the stairs, unearthing a pink press-on fingernail, a white pair of panties, a political shirt pin, a lid for a small cooking pan, socks with the bottoms cut off below the ankles, candy wrappers and a heavy metal object that looked like a weight for a drapery cord, police records state.

Finding nothing else, the officer replaced the dirt and raked over it."

That's some weird shiat to have buried under your stairs. Maybe someone casting "spells", or there's a body under there? Who knows, fark it, let's just put the dirt back where we found it.
 
2014-01-26 12:54:37 AM  
Let the Beiber move there...
 
2014-01-26 03:07:54 AM  

Cpl.D: All I'm gonna say is, if I were a demon and haunting a family, you'd get totally different results.

Think about it.  If there were a demonic realm, and if demons were here to bring hell to Earth, then what the hell is this?  Are we just getting the bench warmers?  Kids eyes popping out?  Oooh, scary.  Levitating?  Knocking?  Leaving wet footprints?

They'd have to be the most incompetent, ineffectual demons there could possibly be.  I'm only surprised to hear the demons didn't make them sandwhiches and then angered them by putting on plain yellow mustard instead of spicy mustard.  That's the plain level of evil at work here.

Seriously, the demonic sandwich from ATHF did better work than this.  So how can anyone hear a story like THIS and take it even the tiniest bit seriously?


You're assuming the motivations.

Unless all this freaky shiat is officially documented with pics and video, I'm going with the mental issues explanation.

But let's assume demons. Maybe they feed off fear and chaos and confusion. How better to feed than to terrorize a family in a way that the family's community thinks they're nuts and shuns them? You can run them into the ground until there's nothing left of them.

They would, essentially, be reënforcing the whole "the devil convincing people he doesn't exist" thing. Not for the tormented family, but for everyone else who hears about it--the devil doesn't exist; they're just nuts!

But again, sans hard evidence, I'm going with mental issues.
 
2014-01-26 10:07:24 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: It's 2014. Ain't no ghosts, no demons, no bigfoot, no angels, no Santa. So tired of people treating these delusions with any bit of seriousness... Any claim like this should be met with simply, "Bullshiat; show me."


There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dwelt upon in thy Philosophy, Horatio.
 
2014-01-26 11:49:11 AM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: FTA - "One of the police officers dug a 4-foot by 3-foot hole beneath the stairs, unearthing a pink press-on fingernail, a white pair of panties, a political shirt pin, a lid for a small cooking pan, socks with the bottoms cut off below the ankles, candy wrappers and a heavy metal object that looked like a weight for a drapery cord, police records state.

Finding nothing else, the officer replaced the dirt and raked over it."

That's some weird shiat to have buried under your stairs. Maybe someone casting "spells", or there's a body under there? Who knows, fark it, let's just put the dirt back where we found it.


I'd also wonder WHY the officer decided to dig a hole under the stairs. Was it a case of 'hey, sometimes you just gotta dig a hole'? Also, I confess to an odd curiosity as to what manner of political pin it was.
 
2014-01-26 12:58:48 PM  

rev. dave: The first option should have been to move out.  Most people would.
I did not read the whole article since I don't want to think about that stuff today, but I read far enough to know they are trying too hard.
Just leave.  Maybe call a priest to do a space clearing.  Trouble with houses is easier to fix than a possessed person.


Since DCS got it right the first time when they said the problem is the mother raising the kids to believe in deamons, moving is unlikely to help long-term.
 
2014-01-26 05:49:49 PM  

Get in the fooking sack.

 
2014-01-26 05:53:47 PM  
Seriously, I get tired of hearing "but other folks saw it too, so it happened" from religious zealots and other crazy people.
 
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