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2014-01-25 03:57:28 PM

Stile4aly: WOMEN ARE NOT AXLOTL TANKS


Clearly we are making progress towards that goal though.
 
2014-01-25 03:57:44 PM

Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?


Can she even go into labor? Is the fetus even growing?

Animating a corpse to give birth to a corpse is nothing but ghoulish.
 
2014-01-25 03:57:54 PM

JasonOfOrillia: This is a horrifying abuse of authority.  And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large.  Hopefully this will backfire on them.


I think the law was meant to protect Simba from Jafar. Not a religious thing. A greed thing.
 
2014-01-25 03:58:56 PM

Nabb1: Okay. I see. Ethically, I don't agree with the hospital. I just don't know enough about this particular case to really know if their actions give rise to other claims. And that is not to say I doubt it or anything. I mean I legitimately have barely a faint idea one way or the other.


I've been following this pretty closely since both the deceased and her husband were Paramedics, and any updates in the case are pretty hot button topics on the EMS forums.

By following, I mean the events are enough to make you physically ill. Given that Texas Gave us the Winkler County scandal, though, it's not surprising.
 
2014-01-25 03:59:21 PM

wildcardjack: Their reason originally was to stay in line with state law. State Judge decrees that removal of life support should go forward. I don't see the problem here, unless there's some fantasy about being brought to some sort of trial for following a judge's orders. And then were in Kafka.


It's kinda mind boggling, to be honest. This is weird ass creepy SciFi type shiat here. Basically the Bene Tleilax from Dune converting dead women into breeding axlotl tanks, or on par with the Cylon breeding farms that hooked women up to life support machines.

What comes next? Parents pay someone to mount up on their brain-dead kid' s warm corpse to impregnate it? Or hubby keeps dead wife plugged in at home for some sexy times for farked up baby making?

shiat, Texas, don't pussy out halfway if you're so hardcore about this. Just cut the dead woman's womb out of her already and hook it up for your sick twisted farking experiments. Clearly, not like they respect or give the slightest shiat about her as a person anyway.

/WTF, Texas
//You used to be cool
 
2014-01-25 03:59:40 PM

hardinparamedic: JasonOfOrillia: This is a horrifying abuse of authority.  And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large.  Hopefully this will backfire on them.

And since the hospital is owned by the county, your tax dollars are paying for it!


I'd be happy to have my tax dollars applied were the fetus viable and with the consent of the mother (prior obviously) and family.  Of course none of these factors apply here.

/and these are the same folks who don't want our tax dollars to pay for food stamps - FOOD STAMPS for farks sake
 
2014-01-25 03:59:54 PM
Carry it to term, deliver it, and have lots of video and photos of the abomination for the world to see.
 
2014-01-25 03:59:56 PM
It takes a very arrogant person to make decisions like this.
 
2014-01-25 04:00:23 PM

TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?



Sick as that is that may be the best possible outcome.  It's harder to spew pro-life nonsense with a hideously deformed DOA baby being born.  It might actually drive it through some skulls that this is stupid and wrong.
 
2014-01-25 04:00:56 PM

Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?


Letting her go doesn't even count as abortion.  She's gone, the baby's gone, so at some point accept it and move on.

SilentStrider: grumpfuff: hardinparamedic:

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.

 
2014-01-25 04:01:20 PM

Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?


Perhaps the Octomom would be interested...?
 
2014-01-25 04:01:40 PM
Cartman's gonna get his Critter Christmas after all!

BLOOD ORGY!
 
2014-01-25 04:02:15 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is  DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.

 
2014-01-25 04:02:36 PM
It's Dr Mengele style care at this hospital it seems.

I do hope the state medical board and law bar open investigations into the actions that have taken place here.
 
GBB
2014-01-25 04:02:40 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.


But the GOP prophecy says that this child will be the one to rise up against the evil liberals.  They must protect it at all costs.
 
2014-01-25 04:04:09 PM

dfacto: TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?


Sick as that is that may be the best possible outcome.  It's harder to spew pro-life nonsense with a hideously deformed DOA baby being born.  It might actually drive it through some skulls that this is stupid and wrong.


I heard an interesting story once at my old place of work.  A strongly pro life republican doctor moved to Washington DC and had to deal with crack babies being born constantly.  His prolife stance faltered and he advocated abortion rather than let all those crack babies be born.
 
2014-01-25 04:06:30 PM

Stile4aly: WOMEN ARE NOT AXLOTL TANKS


After reading the article, this's what I thought, too. What the hospital is doing to the poor woman's corpse is despicable and I hope won't have further consequences for women in the future.
 
2014-01-25 04:06:32 PM

dfacto: ... It might actually drive it through some skulls that this is stupid and wrong.


I wish that were true...but we both know it won't.

Because Bible.
 
2014-01-25 04:08:58 PM
morristrust.com

Only Republican senators and congressmen can help us now.

SHINE, GOP!

SHINE, ONCE MORE!
 
2014-01-25 04:09:05 PM

Xythero: Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?

Can she even go into labor? Is the fetus even growing?

Animating a corpse to give birth to a corpse is nothing but ghoulish.


David Cronenberg needs to read this.
 
2014-01-25 04:09:30 PM
Baby back ribs?
 
2014-01-25 04:10:30 PM
I can't imagine the family suffering this loss and then having to go through this.
 
2014-01-25 04:11:24 PM
Not appealing it on the merits, the religious whacko lead counsel is probably banking on getting one of his religious whacko buddies on the bench next round. Like he was so close to getting this time, before she had to recuse herself.
 
2014-01-25 04:14:52 PM

hardinparamedic: vpb: I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.

As I understand it, the chief legal counsel for the hospital is actually a prominent Anti-abortion attorney, and one of the people who helped draft the law in Texas that they are referring to when refusing to remove this poor woman's body from the ventilator. So they're basically using this woman as a "pro-life" martyr.


i have no knowledge either way but given it's TX and given the arguments one could certainly think that. and i would expect the DA is right in there campaigning doing his due diligence too.

that people who proport to be motivated by religion they sure do some devilish things.
 
2014-01-25 04:20:24 PM
What happens next time when the mother gets brain damaged in an accident, and a perfectly healthy baby is inside her?

A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.

Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.
 
2014-01-25 04:22:46 PM
Hands down worst hospital in DFW, aside from Parkland of course. Poor lady, week tops. They'll kill whatever is left of this poor woman from the incompetent staff, or she'll be eaten by the massive amounts of crack heads that basically live there.
 
2014-01-25 04:23:33 PM
i.imgur.com


Next up: Genital mutilation. If a fetus can feel pain, then why are you mutilating its penis without sedatives and painkillers?

/Genital mutilation: Brought to you by Israel. Where mutilating your defenseless babies penis makes the baby 1% Jewish.
 
2014-01-25 04:23:43 PM

mark12A: Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.


Nature wanted this fetus dead when the mother suffered a cardiac arrest, and it's neural tube and brain were so starved of oxygen that they underwent apoptosis and liquefaction necrosis.

Like the mother, this fetus is dead. It is non-viable. It has ceased to be. It is a meat-sack kept alive by our artificial interventions.

mark12A: A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.


And a whole lot of uneducated, religiously knee-jerking busybodies are very eager to tell other people how they should die after all hope is lost.
 
2014-01-25 04:23:53 PM
Like I said, and I feel no different here as the Klingons said "It is an empty husk, treat it as such".I'm thinking dumpster behind an Albertsons.
 
2014-01-25 04:24:20 PM
Pro-life is actually Pro-birth.
 
2014-01-25 04:27:05 PM
I can appreciate wanting to err on the side of caution and protecting the life of an unborn child but what they're doing is asinine. I understand it's painful to lose someone but sometimes there's nothing you can do. They've done their due diligence. The fetus is not viable. It's time to let it go.
 
2014-01-25 04:28:13 PM

SilentStrider: grumpfuff: hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.


Great. Just what we need. Another politician.
 
2014-01-25 04:28:15 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: vpb: hardinparamedic:

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.

It's Texas, so I'm guessing that's not much of a worry.

TORT REFORM


GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE DECISIONS
 
2014-01-25 04:28:36 PM
IS it just me, or is this hospital working on getting sued out of existence? because once they finally put their deceased family member to rest, I can't see any reason why they shouldn't bring one hell of a lawsuit against anyone responsible for this incredible amount of bullshiat.
 
2014-01-25 04:28:39 PM

mark12A: Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.


It already IS dead.
 
2014-01-25 04:29:09 PM

mark12A: What happens next time when the mother gets brain damaged in an accident, and a perfectly healthy baby is inside her?


Brain damaged is not dead, and define perfectly healthy baby.
 
2014-01-25 04:29:49 PM

mark12A: What happens next time when the mother gets brain damaged in an accident, and a perfectly healthy baby is inside her?



Oh silly boy.  We aren't dealing with a brain damaged woman.  She is brain dead.  Similarly we aren't dealing with a perfectly healthy baby.  The fetus is nonviable.  So your implied comparison is faulty on its basis.

A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.

How many are in favor of forcing brain dead women with non viable fetuses to be used as an atoxl tank from Dune?

Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.

Idiots apparently want to legalize forcing deteriorating zombies to incubate non viable fetuses.  Nothing says respect for life like bizarre medical experimentation.
 
2014-01-25 04:31:09 PM
Farking religious republican pieces of shiat.

DIAF all of you.
 
2014-01-25 04:31:12 PM
"God" saw fit to kill this woman and the unborn, who are we to judge otherwise?

NOW who is playing "God?"!!

Farking religious people all to farking HELL.
 
2014-01-25 04:31:27 PM

TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?


You're too young to remember the Reagan's presidency, I see.
 
2014-01-25 04:33:59 PM
HUSBAND:  "Her limbs have become so stiff and rigid due to her deteriorating condition that now, when I move her hands, her bones crack, and her legs are nothing more than dead weight."

HOSPITAL:   "Advance Directives Act is legislative intent to protect the unborn child. Otherwise legislature would have simply allowed a pregnant patient to decide to let her life, and the life of her unborn child, end."

We simply cannot have pregnant women making decisions now can we.  The Republican church-state MUST mandate reproductive and end-of-life decisions for all women in advance because individual women simply cannot be trusted to do what's best for us.
 
2014-01-25 04:34:29 PM
The only way to resolve this situation is to declare the fetus born. Suddenly its a Mexican and Republicans wont give 2 cents about its welfare.
 
2014-01-25 04:34:41 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.


Only mostly dead...
 
2014-01-25 04:35:57 PM

asquian: IS it just me, or is this hospital working on getting sued out of existence? because once they finally put their deceased family member to rest, I can't see any reason why they shouldn't bring one hell of a lawsuit against anyone responsible for this incredible amount of bullshiat.


Tort reform.  Brought to you by the same wingnuts, unsurprisingly.
 
2014-01-25 04:36:52 PM

mark12A: What happens next time when the mother gets brain damaged in an accident, and a perfectly healthy baby is inside her?

A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.

Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.


Oh, look, a lefty.

Thinks the state knows best.
 
2014-01-25 04:37:39 PM
fark them, fark them severely.

Someone make posters,"Save the Waterhead!"

How about forcing the hospitals legal council to adopt the baby if (however unlikely) it survives the.birth and attach all medical bills to the adoptor.

That sounds fair, all things considered.
 
2014-01-25 04:38:35 PM
Since this has gone on so long already, let it go to 24 weeks, do a c-section and see what happens.
 
2014-01-25 04:39:22 PM

LeroyBourne: Xythero: Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?

Can she even go into labor? Is the fetus even growing?

Animating a corpse to give birth to a corpse is nothing but ghoulish.

David Cronenberg needs to read this.


Or David Lynch.
 
2014-01-25 04:40:32 PM

dfacto: TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?


Sick as that is that may be the best possible outcome.  It's harder to spew pro-life nonsense with a hideously deformed DOA baby being born.  It might actually drive it through some skulls that this is stupid and wrong.


I doubt it. They keep hearing on the Terry Schiavo case and how she was murdered. This despite the autopsy showing her brain had shriveled away to nothing and she was as dead as dead can be. Facts mean nothing to these folks.
 
2014-01-25 04:42:24 PM

hardinparamedic: mark12A: Seems like a whole lot MORE want this baby dead.

Nature wanted this fetus dead when the mother suffered a cardiac arrest, and it's neural tube and brain were so starved of oxygen that they underwent apoptosis and liquefaction necrosis.

Like the mother, this fetus is dead. It is non-viable. It has ceased to be. It is a meat-sack kept alive by our artificial interventions.

mark12A: A whole lot of people are not too eager about establishing a precedent for unplugging pregnant women.

And a whole lot of uneducated, religiously knee-jerking busybodies are very eager to tell other people how they should die after all hope is lost.


It's my understanding that the drugs being given the mother are horribly toxic and should never be given to a pregnant woman.
Correct?
This is disgusting all around.
The original Judge that had ties to the hospitl should be given a permanent boot as well.
 
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