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(SeattlePI)   Defying all medical reason and a judge's order, Fort Worth hospital considers appeal because they 'have a duty to protect the fetus'   (seattlepi.com) divider line 344
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2014-01-25 02:19:22 PM
Godf*ckingdamnit, the fetus that they said wasn't viable. Pro-lifers are the most vile people on the planet.
 
2014-01-25 02:21:27 PM
Not Houston, subby, and there's really no news here that's different from what we knew yesterday.
 
2014-01-25 02:24:44 PM
Fort Worth is a long way from Houston subby.
 
2014-01-25 02:24:45 PM
Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:39 PM

The Italian Farker: Fort Worth is a long way from Houston subby.


DrBenway: Not Houston, subby, and there's really no news here that's different from what we knew yesterday.


Oh. I see this has been taken care of, so ...

/awkward
 
2014-01-25 02:28:20 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.

 
2014-01-25 02:29:38 PM
This is like some creepy axotl tank level shiat right here

Can she make the spice?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 02:41:49 PM
I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.

And what do they plan to do with it anyway?   If they can keep a dead body from decomposing by keeping the organs going how long are they going to keep it?  I guess they could transplant in some new organs when the original ones give out.  The way medical science keeps progressing they could keep it going for thousands of years.

Sort of like King Tut, but all high tech and stuff.  Maybe they can charge admission.
 
2014-01-25 02:44:23 PM

vpb: I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.


As I understand it, the chief legal counsel for the hospital is actually a prominent Anti-abortion attorney, and one of the people who helped draft the law in Texas that they are referring to when refusing to remove this poor woman's body from the ventilator. So they're basically using this woman as a "pro-life" martyr.

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.
 
2014-01-25 03:01:34 PM

grumpfuff: hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.

 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:02:09 PM
hardinparamedic:

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.

It's Texas, so I'm guessing that's not much of a worry.
 
2014-01-25 03:05:56 PM

vpb: hardinparamedic:

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.

It's Texas, so I'm guessing that's not much of a worry.


TORT REFORM
 
2014-01-25 03:06:15 PM
They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.
 
2014-01-25 03:08:30 PM
This is a horrifying abuse of authority.  And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large.  Hopefully this will backfire on them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:10:13 PM

SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.


I don't think that's a requirement in Texas.  They just need to get it an ID card.
 
2014-01-25 03:14:37 PM

JasonOfOrillia: This is a horrifying abuse of authority.  And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large.  Hopefully this will backfire on them.


And since the hospital is owned by the county, your tax dollars are paying for it!
 
2014-01-25 03:18:51 PM

hardinparamedic: The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.


I strongly question the medical ethics of what they are doing, but I'm not sure I follow your legal reasoning here on those three things. Wasn't this woman brain dead on arrival to the hospital? I was unaware of any allegations of malpractice leading to her condition as it is now.
 
2014-01-25 03:21:41 PM

Nabb1: hardinparamedic: The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.

I strongly question the medical ethics of what they are doing, but I'm not sure I follow your legal reasoning here on those three things. Wasn't this woman brain dead on arrival to the hospital? I was unaware of any allegations of malpractice leading to her condition as it is now.


I thought I read that they defied a DNR to keep her alive? That sounds illegal to me, but IANAL.
 
2014-01-25 03:23:51 PM

Nabb1: Wasn't this woman brain dead on arrival to the hospital? I was unaware of any allegations of malpractice leading to her condition as it is now.


They intentionally defied a legal and valid advanced directive without the consent of the family for no defensible reason. Even the courts have said that their argument under Texas Law was misapplied and poorly interpreted.
 
2014-01-25 03:27:23 PM

hardinparamedic: Nabb1: Wasn't this woman brain dead on arrival to the hospital? I was unaware of any allegations of malpractice leading to her condition as it is now.

They intentionally defied a legal and valid advanced directive without the consent of the family for no defensible reason. Even the courts have said that their argument under Texas Law was misapplied and poorly interpreted.


I don't see how they are on the hook for that if their assertion of that argument was not frivolous. Has the court sanctioned them or said it was a frivolous argument?
 
2014-01-25 03:28:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I thought I read that they defied a DNR to keep her alive? That sounds illegal to me, but IANAL.


There was no DNR.  But there is the express wishes of her next kin (husband) and her family.  Too bad she couldn't have gone to the hospital in Oakland, and Jahi McMath come to this hospital.  Then everything would be right


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vpb: SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.

I don't think that's a requirement in Texas.  They just need to get it an ID card.


With a last name like Munoz do they really expect it to vote Republican?

/Yea I know...thatsracist.jpg
 
2014-01-25 03:29:08 PM

Nabb1: I don't see how they are on the hook for that if their assertion of that argument was not frivolous. Has the court sanctioned them or said it was a frivolous argument?


As I understand the court ruling that was handed down instructing them to take her off life support, the court said the law was grossly misinterpreted.
 
2014-01-25 03:34:07 PM
Keep going, clearly no one will think poorly of pro-lifers after this!

/damn it so much
//please give some closure
 
2014-01-25 03:36:40 PM
It's an amazing coincidence that this particular circumstance, happening at a county hospital, in a state that had recently implemented misdirected right-to-life laws, and in such an astounding manner showing the absurdity of the application of extreme anti-abortion measures.

It's almost as if this scenario was part of some intelligent grand design.
 
2014-01-25 03:37:14 PM

hardinparamedic: Nabb1: I don't see how they are on the hook for that if their assertion of that argument was not frivolous. Has the court sanctioned them or said it was a frivolous argument?

As I understand the court ruling that was handed down instructing them to take her off life support, the court said the law was grossly misinterpreted.


Okay. I see. Ethically, I don't agree with the hospital. I just don't know enough about this particular case to really know if their actions give rise to other claims. And that is not to say I doubt it or anything. I mean I legitimately have barely a faint idea one way or the other.
 
2014-01-25 03:38:31 PM

vpb: SilentStrider: They only want to keep the fetus alive in the hopes that it will grow up to vote Republican.

I don't think that's a requirement in Texas.  They just need to get it an ID card.


vpb: hardinparamedic:

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.

It's Texas, so I'm guessing that's not much of a worry.


Says the guy from Florida.
 
2014-01-25 03:43:45 PM

Nabb1: Okay. I see. Ethically, I don't agree with the hospital. I just don't know enough about this particular case to really know if their actions give rise to other claims. And that is not to say I doubt it or anything. I mean I legitimately have barely a faint idea one way or the other.


So why comment arguing the other way?
 
2014-01-25 03:43:45 PM
The wrath of the forced-birthers strike again.
 
2014-01-25 03:44:37 PM
What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?

I just don't see the slightest thing holy about this at all.

Religion that is used to dominate people instead of comfort them shouldn't be a Constitutional right.
 
2014-01-25 03:45:56 PM

hardinparamedic: Nabb1: I don't see how they are on the hook for that if their assertion of that argument was not frivolous. Has the court sanctioned them or said it was a frivolous argument?

As I understand the court ruling that was handed down instructing them to take her off life support, the court said the law was grossly misinterpreted.



Even the guy who wrote the law said it was being misinterpreted.
 
2014-01-25 03:46:06 PM
Well, they obviously feel it's fortworth it.

/......got nothing.....
 
2014-01-25 03:46:08 PM

SilentStrider: grumpfuff: hardinparamedic: Oh god farking damnit.

This lawyer is human scum.  THERE IS NO FETUS. It is grossly deformed and it's brain is a bag of fluid. It is DEAD. She is  DEAD. Let them go in peace and the family mourn.


This.
 
2014-01-25 03:46:11 PM
C'mon now, we have to be fair to the hospital. The judge's order was too vague, the hospital just need to be sure which brain-dead broad to unplug.

/Naw, they're just scummy pricks who are milking this shiat against the family's wishes
 
2014-01-25 03:46:35 PM

hardinparamedic: JasonOfOrillia: This is a horrifying abuse of authority.  And an excellent example of the results of letting religious nutters apply their absolutism to the population at large.  Hopefully this will backfire on them.

And since the hospital is owned by the county, your tax dollars are paying for it!


And since the Tarrant County DA's office is defending the hospital, taxpayers are paying for the legal bills too. And the eventual (large) settlement against the hospital, DA's office, and county.
 
2014-01-25 03:47:21 PM
Their reason originally was to stay in line with state law. State Judge decrees that removal of life support should go forward. I don't see the problem here, unless there's some fantasy about being brought to some sort of trial for following a judge's orders. And then were in Kafka.
 
2014-01-25 03:47:52 PM

BizarreMan: There was no DNR. But there is the express wishes of her next kin (husband) and her family. Too bad she couldn't have gone to the hospital in Oakland, and Jahi McMath come to this hospital. Then everything would be right


If you think they'd be treating the body of a black girl who isn't pregnant the same way they're treating this woman, I've got a bridge to sell you.
 
2014-01-25 03:49:04 PM

RsquaredW: Nabb1: Okay. I see. Ethically, I don't agree with the hospital. I just don't know enough about this particular case to really know if their actions give rise to other claims. And that is not to say I doubt it or anything. I mean I legitimately have barely a faint idea one way or the other.

So why comment arguing the other way?


It's a good way to get a very in depth explanation. That's one of the reasons I keep coming back here despite the BS and trolls. There are some very informed people here.
 
2014-01-25 03:49:58 PM
WOMEN ARE NOT AXLOTL TANKS
 
2014-01-25 03:50:22 PM
Just Terry Sciavo this barbarism and get it over with.
 
2014-01-25 03:50:43 PM

hardinparamedic: vpb: I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.

As I understand it, the chief legal counsel for the hospital is actually a prominent Anti-abortion attorney, and one of the people who helped draft the law in Texas that they are referring to when refusing to remove this poor woman's body from the ventilator. So they're basically using this woman as a "pro-life" martyr.

The thing about it is, if they are found to have misapplied or even blatantly lied to the family in the application of this law, the county is liable on the tune of millions of dollars to the family for negligence, malpractice, and even illegal human experimentation for what they have done here.


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2014-01-25 03:50:46 PM
I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?
 
2014-01-25 03:51:28 PM

TV's Vinnie: What are these fundie sickos going to do? Stand around a wheezing ball of twisted flesh after it's born from an artificially-animated corpse and sing "Yes, Jesus loves me" while it gurgles and yowls itself to death?

I just don't see the slightest thing holy about this at all.

Religion that is used to dominate people instead of comfort them shouldn't be a Constitutional right.


I think I saw that movie. Didn't the baby end up living in a basket and eating people? I remember it had tits. The movie, not the baby.
 
2014-01-25 03:52:19 PM

Gergesa: I take it the pro lifers aren't jumping at the bit to take responsibility for this non viable fetus if it is born?


Nah, that sounds like something Christ would do.
 
2014-01-25 03:52:49 PM
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2014-01-25 03:53:23 PM
I stand by my original impression of greed whilst desperately ciying dynastic protection law.
 
2014-01-25 03:54:23 PM
But, they get to use the machine that goes "BING"!!
 
2014-01-25 03:54:55 PM

RsquaredW: Nabb1: Okay. I see. Ethically, I don't agree with the hospital. I just don't know enough about this particular case to really know if their actions give rise to other claims. And that is not to say I doubt it or anything. I mean I legitimately have barely a faint idea one way or the other.

So why comment arguing the other way?


Asking someone to elaborate on an assertion of a legal cause of action is "arguing the other way"?
 
2014-01-25 03:55:48 PM
The hospital can probably cover their budget shortfall if they can drag this out a couple of weeks. Imagine what the daily bill is.
 
2014-01-25 03:55:49 PM
I bet, at the end of this ordeal, they still try to stick Mr. Munoz with the bill.
 
2014-01-25 03:56:47 PM

vpb: I'm guessing that they aren't volunteering to pick up the tab for the hospital stay.

And what do they plan to do with it anyway?   If they can keep a dead body from decomposing by keeping the organs going how long are they going to keep it?  I guess they could transplant in some new organs when the original ones give out.  The way medical science keeps progressing they could keep it going for thousands of years.

Sort of like King Tut, but all high tech and stuff.  Maybe they can charge admission.


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