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(CBS DC)   Time to reset that clock. UPDATE: Shooting suspect confirmed dead. Link to police briefing in article   (washington.cbslocal.com) divider line 154
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2014-01-25 01:14:47 PM
6 votes:
thismodernworld.com
2014-01-25 12:51:44 PM
6 votes:

croesius: 3 ≠ Mass


3 > 0. The goal is always 0.
2014-01-25 01:04:47 PM
5 votes:

Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.


Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.
2014-01-25 01:20:48 PM
4 votes:

generallyso: It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.


Not having shootings in the US would help.
2014-01-25 01:16:36 PM
4 votes:
The amount of "meh" and questioning the news-worthyness of this situation really sickens and saddens me.
2014-01-25 02:09:49 PM
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: zamboni: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.

You're right! We should slowly think about things while we continually reset the clock on when it is time to talk about reasonable gun legislation in this country.


We already have reasonable gun legislation. The issue on the table is now unreasonable, draconian gun legislation.

We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.
2014-01-25 01:19:12 PM
3 votes:

ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

BROHEIM. WHY AREN'T YOU BEING BRO, BROSKI? THAT'S SO NOT BRO, BRO.
2014-01-25 01:10:14 PM
3 votes:
When we live in a society that tells us we need guns to solve our problems, stop being so surprised when people use guns to solve their problems.

/when all you have is a hammer...
2014-01-25 01:09:16 PM
3 votes:

serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?


It does when it takes place in a frickin' mall, dummy.
2014-01-25 01:06:14 PM
3 votes:

generallyso: It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.


Yeah.  Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away.  The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.


/this post brought to you by the person who is cute bunny bombing this thread

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cdn4.spiegel.de

2014-01-25 12:53:33 PM
3 votes:
The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.
2014-01-25 12:51:37 PM
3 votes:

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.
2014-01-25 12:34:37 PM
3 votes:
She safe. Thank god.
2014-01-25 06:13:42 PM
2 votes:

bluejeansonfire: waiting periods


Why?  When have these ever been linked to crime?

Clutch2013: plutoniumfeather: Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.

the firing pin micro-imprints something on the primer when the bullet is fired, or something like that . . . so the empty shell casing can be tied to the gun. solution: use a revolver -- no shell casings to litter the crime scene. the DC police test-fire every weapon a civilian registers so that they can "match" the marks found on a fired bullet picked up at a crime scene with their library.  solution: clean your barrel, or use frangible ammo.

Well, DC's approach sounds a good bit better than California's.

And just out of rampant curiosity (because I'm not terribly comfortable with discussing ways to circumvent laws), wouldn't cleaning the barrel on a gun not have much impact if the gun were brand new or only mildly dirty, i.e. stuff that would probably leave with a bullet instead of staying behind on the gun?


The markings that a barrel leaves on a bullet can vary based on the type of bullet and the amount of rounds that go down the barrel.  The barrel can also be fouled and scratched, permanently altering the kinds of markings that the barrel leaves.  Barrels can also be replaced relatively easily and inexpensively.

And all of this is just conjecture, matching up a fired bullet (especially an expanding bullet) to the barrel based on the marks on the bullet is the stuff of CSI forensic nonsense.
2014-01-25 06:12:10 PM
2 votes:

bluejeansonfire: Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.

Farking listen to yourself. I can hear the bloodlust from here.


Alcohol kills 80,000 and is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes. Tobacco kills 400,000 a year.

Neither are cheap plot devices for movie heroes. Nobody clicks CNN over and over again to learn the personal details of the guy who just wrecked his car and killed two kids in rural Minnesota. Nobody wants to know the psychological past of the guy who just beat his wife to death in a drunken rage in San Antonio.

You focus on guns because they're dramatic plot devices. Deaths from guns are romanticised. Deaths from much more dangerous, yet legal, activities are ignored because they don't make good instant reality programming.
2014-01-25 02:52:05 PM
2 votes:

Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.


The dead white guys who wrote the Constitution were well familiar with rifles and handguns.  It's quite likely they knew of revolvers (early forms of which date to the 1500s) and repeating rifles, which were fairly well-known in Europe from the late 1600s and used in warfare before the Constitution was written.

More to the point they were not complete idiots who thought their own era was the end state of technology, since at least one of them was an accomplished inventor.
2014-01-25 02:45:54 PM
2 votes:

Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.



And your point is?

The First Amendment was written before computers, the internet, and Fark.com.
2014-01-25 02:03:17 PM
2 votes:

super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.


Awesome strawman, dude.
2014-01-25 02:00:22 PM
2 votes:

Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?
2014-01-25 01:28:11 PM
2 votes:

generallyso: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yeah. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away. The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.

Why should Fark greenlight links about the same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?


Because in about every other relatively stable country in the world, multiple people being shot and murdered in a public place would be bigger news than a Fark headline.

It's also the top result on Google News, so it's not just Fark.  But maybe that's just a sign of the liberal lamestream media trying to force slippery slope gun reform on us so we can be disarmed and Obama and FEMA can finally put their police state plan into action.
2014-01-25 01:11:58 PM
2 votes:

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.


1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.
2014-01-25 01:01:36 PM
2 votes:

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

Glad she's safe. Still:


2.bp.blogspot.com


And because I think this might be necessary as well:


cutestuff.co


www.cutebunnypictures.com


shermanave.files.wordpress.com


www.thatcutesite.com


pinkbluelovescute.com


/also, f--k the internet and rule 34

//can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"

///dammit, humanity

////that also applies to the shooting and probably will apply to our response as a country and in the discussion

//multitasking

2014-01-25 12:56:37 PM
2 votes:

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


You know, we should ban gun in poor neighborhoods.  I bet the murder rate would drop overnight!
2014-01-25 12:54:04 PM
2 votes:
Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.
2014-01-25 12:49:34 PM
2 votes:
3 ≠ Mass
2014-01-25 12:49:19 PM
2 votes:

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


Yeah the gangs all go to Arundel Mills.
2014-01-25 12:48:23 PM
2 votes:
The shooter probably went there because the mall is a gun free zone.  Had everyone been armed everyone would have been safe.
2014-01-25 12:40:16 PM
2 votes:

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.
2014-01-26 03:27:41 AM
1 votes:

justtray: Kensey: justtray: Kensey: But there have been other instances of registration lists used to confiscate weapons newly made illegal, so the general point still stands.

There have? Then why have they never been posted.

The only thing even remotely close was Hurricane Katrina. And that was deemed a disaster time or some shiat.

Recently, there's that one and also the incident in High River, Alberta, where the RCMP pretty openly went around collecting guns so they could keep them locked up after the town was flooded.  As I recall there was some pretty nasty stuff going on in the segregated South where registration laws were used to find out which blacks had guns and take them away (or take them away for being unregistered if they were discovered otherwise).

So in other words, no ones guns have ever been confiscated due to registration. Period.


It appears the confiscation in High River was assisted by the Canadian gun registry, and confiscation of blacks' guns was the whole point of Jim Crow registration laws, so...
2014-01-26 12:18:11 AM
1 votes:

mudesi: Daedalus27: mudesi: America, you are a sick, farked up country.  You take this kind of daily gun violence like it's something that's normal.  Every other civilized country in the world doesn't have this shiat happen nearly so often as you.  And that's a serious understatement.  It hardly happens at all in other countries.  Just in you, America.

So go on, tell me how having some sensible gun laws "takes away freedom".  I'll be sitting here, counting the seconds until the next time this happens in your stupid assed, farked up country.


Here is the thing, the US has a population 314m or so people.  The US also has a history of private firearms ownership and enshrined that in as a basic tenant of governance.  Therefore there is a proliferation of weapons unlike most other countries.  These conditions make it highly unlikely that these incidents would occur in other countries because there simply isn't the foundation present.  As such it doesn't take much for a horrible incident to galvanize the public to take away a right that the people haven't really had a cultural experience with.

You also have to combine these factors with the fact that the USA is saturated with media so almost every small incident as well as the large incidents are heavily publicized.  Three people dying in a murder suicide sparked this thread but I would bet there were several other incidents around the world of the same nature (maybe not with a firearm) that we just don't hear about because it is a local story that doesn't expand beyond the local market. Not to trivialize it, but a pervasive national and international media looking for stories is going to grab gun incidents before other things because they are ready made to kill time and sensationalize things.  If it bleeds, it leads is a time honored tradition in media.

This isn't to say that gun violence isn't an issue.  It is a horrible tragedy when these incidents happen. However, if you magically stopped all further gun sales in the US t ...


You don't seem to understand the US and as such are making value judgments based upon your limited inputs.  You feel guns are evil and should be eliminated.  I am telling you that it is impossible based upon our history and makeup even if you wanted to outlaw them. Banning them overnight would not make the hundreds of millions of guns disappear.  In fact, it would probably make the situation worse by criminalizing responsible owners who would be driven underground.  You have to be realistic in your remedies and right now your screaming guns are evil contributes nothing to the debate or potential solutions.

Furthermore your discounting the impact of media shows your simplistic understanding of the issue.  You mostly hear about the bad stories like the shooting today.  Guess what, despite what the media wants you to believe, gun violence is way down. and has been trending that way for years.  Furthermore you don't hear about many of the cases where firearms prevent crime or save victims because the story doesn't make for good TV.  So your being force fed the idea that the US is somehow a shooting gallery when in reality, these events while occasionally occurring are an outlying event.

How many firearms does Japan have in private hands before restrictions were on them, how about France, or the UK.   Canadian gun laws are closer to many US states so why the difference there?  Switzerland is a small rather homogenous nation with its own long history with weapons that has a high suicide rate with firearms. It isn't all about gun laws, it is about numbers, culture, and other factors.  One of the larger issues that seems to be a regular trait in mass shootings is mental illness which is completely unrelated to firearms (except for the fact that the accessability of weapons allows for action on their behaviors).  Why does Brazil have a high gun violence rate or South Africa?  Is it lax gun laws or something else?   Shouting a list and pointing at one factor on a specific rate going down contributes little when other factors may be playing a bigger role.

I am not saying I like gun violence.  But demonizing a weapon and saying there is one solution that fits all nations is rather short sighted.  However if you want to spout your opinion, you can do so. However I feel it is far too simplistic and doesn't understand the finer points of the US and the specific issues faced when discussing gun laws.
2014-01-25 07:06:19 PM
1 votes:

Clutch2013: plutoniumfeather: Clutch2013: plutoniumfeather: Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.

the firing pin micro-imprints something on the primer when the bullet is fired, or something like that . . . the DC police test-fire every weapon a civilian registers so that they can "match" the marks found on a fired bullet picked up at a crime scene with their library. . . .

Well, DC's approach sounds a good bit better than California's.

And just out of rampant curiosity (because I'm not terribly comfortable with discussing ways to circumvent laws), wouldn't cleaning the barrel on a gun not have much impact if the gun were brand new or only mildly dirty, i.e. stuff that would probably leave with a bullet instead of staying behind on the gun?

the theory is that every gun barrel leaves a unique scratch pattern on the bullets that travel through it.  and that bullets can be recovered at crime scenes (most of which don't have handy water tanks to slow and stop intact bullets) so the scratch pattern can be read.  but every time a gun is fired, it leaves a little schmutz (burned powder residue, bullet jacket material, and so on) in the barrel.  if the barrel isn't cleaned after every shot, the schmutz gets pushed along by the next bullet and creates its own scratches in the barrel.  after a few good long range sessions with different types of ammo and periodic cleaning with brushes and the occasional dab of bore paste, getting a "ballistics match" on the scratch pattern will become a very dubious proposition indeed.

Okay, but by matching barrel to bullet, I think they're talking at exit. I would think that assuming they get this at the time the gun's new and the owner/s don't allow it to get so dirty that it starts gouging out marks in the barrel, a cleaning wouldn't make a ton of difference.

Ammo, obviously, is another story.


It only takes a day or two f shooting to make a big difference.
2014-01-25 07:03:49 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?


Jesus, THIS. Ditch the f*cking clock already.
2014-01-25 06:37:44 PM
1 votes:

SurelyShirley: Parthenogenetic: The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.

If the "regime" (which ever it may be) decides that tyranny seems like a good idea, they'll come to you with reapers and hellfire missiles. Before you and your band of heroes can yell "1776 will commence!" your entire block will go boom.


War our military does great, occupation work not so much, occupying their own country?  The brass better have sh*tters with grenade sumps.
2014-01-25 06:30:24 PM
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Great Porn Dragon: Damn. That was insightful. You're getting a favorite color and my promise that when my paycheck gets posted Monday, a month of TF.

/Would sponsor now, but I have a case of the broke



I got him for ya. That post should be required reading for everyone entering fark gun threads.
2014-01-25 06:11:19 PM
1 votes:
Great Porn Dragon: Damn. That was insightful. You're getting a favorite color and my promise that when my paycheck gets posted Monday, a month of TF.

/Would sponsor now, but I have a case of the broke
2014-01-25 05:50:20 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: Cops have a robot in there checking the shooter for booby-traps like he's the Joker.


If you had a set of $500 coasters, you'd use them every time you had iced tea.
2014-01-25 05:25:51 PM
1 votes:

Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.


The information is micro-engraved onto the firing pin, thus being transferred to the primer when fired.  I know we have at least one 'Farker (sorry - don't remember the handle) involved in the industry.

Problem is - it doesn't work very well under the best of circumstances.  The engravings wear down over repeated use, primers aren't the best medium for stamping information onto, and it doesn't work at all if the shooter is using a revolver or has the time/presence of mind to pick up the brass.
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 05:25:38 PM
1 votes:

Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.


The firing pin micro imprints on the primer of the shell casing. Not only will the imprinting wear off the firing pin over time it can be filed off. Even replaced in 5 min. This has not stopped them from making such a crazy law. So any new firearms pistols must have this technology installed. If not it's banned from sales in California. Since it's very expensive it will never happen. So they effectively created a ban on all new pistols.
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2014-01-25 05:12:16 PM
1 votes:

Daedalus27: Great Porn Dragon, I like the proposal and in an ideal world, it would be a great compromise and acceptable to all.  The problem is we don't live in an ideal world.  With hundreds of millions of firearms already in circulation, any restriction would take time to have an effect.  In the meantime firearms would continue to be misused therefore triggering the scenario that Kensey suggested of misusing the law to actually restrict sales to everyone.   It is like the CCW permits in certain counties in California where theoretically they are available to the public, but the officials never actually issue them unless you know the Sheriff and other political figures and donate enough to their reelection that they allow you to have a permit while other counties have a more permissive issuing of permits if you meet the requirements.

Put it another way with a RL example, what about literacy requirements for voting so we can be sure the electorate can meaningfully participate.  These were common in the south and although on paper could be justified, were applied to restrict minority participation in voting.  A seemingly reasonable idea was perverted to become an unreasonable method to remove individuals from exercising their right. Given the diverse opinions firearms ownership and use, I could easily see a training, mental health, or other "reasonable" restrictions morph in certain states and jurisdictions to become a high hurdle that no one could meet.

I will give you another example.  In California, the legislature passed a law in 2007 that requires new handguns to incorporate microtagging the serial number, model, and make on any bullets fired from a weapon after the technology became viable (which was found this year) to facilitate law enforcement dealing with crime. While technically feasible, the technology is not economically viable and handgun makers are leaving the market instead of complying with law.  This "reasonable" restriction is driving companies from the market and will reduce consumer choices acting as an effective ban on many types of handguns.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/01/24/smith-wesso n -protests-california-gun-law/

The skepticism that firearms owners and those who want the freedom to purchase firearms have is that "reasonable" restrictions have a nasty habit of expanding so that they may become viewed as unreasonable and utilized to restrict the ability to meaningfully own weapons. That is not to say that no restrictions are acceptable, but the history of using restrictions to remove firearms from private ownership makes even the most benign new law subject to harsh criticism and skepticism. I wish this weren't true, but the opponents of gun ownership have only themselves to blame by overreaching when they have had the opportunity to impose new laws.


...microtagging all that information on fired bullets?

Um, how does that work exactly, especially when the bullet hits something that deforms or destroys it?

/I'm for reasonable restrictions myself, but that sounds like bullshiat
2014-01-25 05:08:38 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Gwendolyn

My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.So your daughter is at a crime scene and your first move is see if you can score some political points and get a green-light on fark?

Love is grand.


To the statist, only the government can respond to a crisis. We are powerless to their loving and all-powerful hand.
2014-01-25 05:03:26 PM
1 votes:
A picture of this thread:

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2014-01-25 04:56:21 PM
1 votes:
So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that
2014-01-25 04:55:54 PM
1 votes:
Gwendolyn

My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.
So your daughter is at a crime scene and your first move is see if you can score some political points and get a green-light on fark?

Love is grand.
2014-01-25 04:37:19 PM
1 votes:
I'm not distressed by firearms.  I'm highly distressed by morans or the ill with firearms.

Everyone believes in some form of firearm control.  It's just where the line is drawn that gets so many knickers in knots.
2014-01-25 04:35:55 PM
1 votes:
I'm ok with universal background checks in exchange for a repeal of the Hughes amendment and nationwide ccw reciprocity. I've mentioned this several times in these types of threads but I've never had an anti bite, they just respond with further impingements. Their disarmament agenda and monopolization of violence in the hands of the government are plain as day. What good little statists.
2014-01-25 04:20:53 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.

We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


The 2nd amendment analogy to this is being prosecuted for murdering someone with their firearm. We have that in place already.
2014-01-25 04:13:13 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?


The same could be applied to alcohol.

One of my neighbors ran over and killed another of my neighbors last week because he was drunk. He was drunk only because it was fun. It didn't get a Fark newsflash. He was driving because he went to a bar to drink alcohol instead of drinking it at home, but nobody panics about public alcohol consumption in establishments you have to drive to.

Alcohol does much, much more damage than firearms in this country. It just doesn't make the news every time a drunk kills someone, or him/herself. It just doesn't make for scary movie or TV plots that Americans will watch endlessly on TV to scare themselves.

It's scary to you because you want to be scared by it.
2014-01-25 04:08:15 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: mschwenk: Do you need a computer, or a TV, or a cup of coffee?

I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?  That might be a bit slower?  So that way someone with a nefarious purpose (not any of you, of course, you're all sane and responsible) might kill just a few less people before the cops show up?  Or have to reload a bit more often, providing a chance to stop him (or I guess her)?

I was in college after 9/11.  We had multiple labs delayed and one facility closed entirely because of tightened security.  Yep, the professors definitely had the right to access the materials they needed to do the research they were doing.  But because a dumbass could do real damage, they worked within the new system, had backup labs prepared, etc.

Could a asshole intent on hurting other humans still obtain those materials or their equivalents from other places?  Yeah.  But it would take a lot more effort for something nowhere near as damaging.


My wife and I defended ourselves with our firearms when three armed men broke into our home.  Feel free to never pick up a firearm.

Fark you if you try to make that decision for me or anyone else.
2014-01-25 04:01:09 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


And I bet he'd REALLY hate my own modest proposal (which, unlike some of the NRA's fantasies, is actually backed up with historical context re gun laws in Revolutionary-era America).  (Yes, kids--time to trot out GPD's proposal for a model Modern Well-Regulated Militia Amendment.)

Pretty much most gun policy seems to be centered around two primary assumptions:

1) (anti-gun) The "Well-regulated militia" in the Constitution is the National Guard and nobody has any business having shooty-things unless they are law enforcement.

2) (hyper-pro-gun) GAWD AND THOMAS JEFFERSON INTENDED US TO HAVE AN ARSENAL GODDAMNIT IN CASE THE GOVERNMENT GOES ROGUE AND WE HAS TO WATER THE TREE OF LIBURTY.

Rather more accurate is Option 3 which NOBODY ever mentions EVAR:

3) The US Army did not exist in peacetime and law enforcement as we know it now did not exist at the time (and would not exist until the 1840s), hence the only way to put down a domestic insurrection or even a criminal gang (much less incursions from First Nations and the like)...was, quite literally, calling up a posse (the "unorganised militia" in question).

3a) The part nobody ever, EVER mentions--this was in fact a neutering of an older provision in the Articles of Confederation (the "First Constitution" that had the US organised in a very European Union-esque confederacy of what amounted to thirteen distinct and separate countries with a currency union and a common defense and foreign policy) that not only mandated that every competent adult male be explicitly trained in the use of firearms at regular intervals but explicitly required the state governments to maintain armories and staff to train men to serve in the state guard should they need to be called up in an emergency.

(Yes, the original policy of the US re the "right to keep and bear arms" from roughly 1779 to 1791 or so was pretty much the same as Switzerland's national defense force; every male was considered a member of his state's (canton's, in the case of Switzerland) defense force, was required to undergo two weeks of mandatory weapons training, and was required to keep weapons issued by the state/canton armory up until the youngest male in the household hit 40 and aged out of the national militia.)

3b) Because the concepts of "state police with shooty weapons" (much less "city police") and "permanent standing armed forces" were Not Yet A Thing during Madison's time, and pretty much everyone assumed that short of frank war with France or the UK or Spain that any war or insurrection to be fought would be either in the form of armed gangs or First Nations uprisings...well, the writers pretty much instantly assumed that anything short of Frank National Emergency status would be handled by calling up the "unorganised militia" to start up a posse.  In other words, that whole section should be read as "Since we will need to start up a posse now and again, folks should be allowed to have guns" (as opposed to the Articles of Confederation's "Everyone is a member of their state Army Reserves, and the state must give mandatory military weapons training and maintain a stocked arsenal in case the goddamn Redcoats start marching through from Canada or the Western Confederacy starts getting really pissy about the land we stole").

3c) The "Well regulated militia" bit pretty much is a giveaway (especially in conjunction with the old Articles of Confederation version) that it was assumed by the Founding Fathers that people would be getting regular firearms training--basically the Revolutionary War Era version of CCW and Home Defense courses, provided courtesy of the governor of your state.  The concept was far less "Every goddamn yahoo with a gun" and more "We're actually going to teach the guys how NOT to shoot their own peckers off and how to properly point the gun and fire it at the OTHER guy, and also make sure his damn musket that's been in his family since 1589 isn't going to blow the hell up in his face when he tries to fire it".

"Well regulated" in this case meant "Properly trained"--translated to modern English, "A properly trained state defense force being necessary to public safety, people shall be allowed to keep and bear arms for home defense and state defense (and, we assume, the state will keep on training them how to do this without killing themselves)".

3d) Another data point towards "unregulated militia" meaning "draftable individuals with explicit firearms training" are the Militia Acts of 1792 and particularly the Second Militia Act of 1792 (arguably the first law calling for an explicit draft, and the second act passed after full ratification of the present Constitution).  It would probably be termed an "unfunded mandate for a Swiss-style state defense force" nowadays; the law called for every man between 18 and 45 years old to be required to purchase a gun and appropriate ammunition (down to specifying the type of weapon and ammo that had to be purchased and maintained at all times) and were required to report twice a year for military training.  (Some groups--notably, Congressmen and transportation workers such as ferrymen and stagecoach drivers that were considered essential for national defense--were exempt; otherwise, the law applied for every man in the US able to hold a firearm.)  Basically for a time we went back to the old Articles of Confederation-era standard, if by an act of Congress this time and not a Constitutional amendment.

The Militia Acts of 1792 are notable because it's one of those rare times it's very easy to tell the whole intent of the Founding Fathers towards the Second Amendment--they intended there to be an emergency quickly-musterable state defense force in the event that Shiat Happened and an army couldn't get there in time or was too small of a situation for a full-on army.  (The Acts were passed due to the US Army having its arse handed to it by the Western Confederacy (a rather large NATO-of-the-18th-century group of First Nations) in St. Clair's Defeat.)
tl;dr version: Madison never quite anticipated the invention of police departments or permanent armed forces, and people all assumed the state guards would keep going (they do still exist, both in the form of the National Guard and a few non-National Guard state militias in places like Texas and Alaska--and in the more traditional sense of men having to register for Selective Service)--what unfortunately changed is that pretty much the old mechanism where training was MANDATORY went away roughly in 1795 (when the Second Militia Act expired).

The "failure to define what was meant as a well-regulated militia" bug is an easy enough bugfix, and could be done very, very easily in keeping with the spirit of the Founding Fathers:

a) Define "unorganised militia" explicitly as persons who have received training in the use of weapons for defense after an appropriate training period.

b) Establish a national training program for use of firearms and require persons who wish to own a firearm to receive specific training including safety training and target training and to be certified by a trainer as being capable of safe use of a firearm.  (There is already precedent for this in two separate programs--CCW courses and hunter safety courses; pretty much all states have required mandatory hunter safety courses for anyone younger than about thirty to get a hunting license for gun season, and some have expanded this to bow and crossbow hunting too.  In essence, we're expanding the training programs for CCW and/or hunter safety courses to all firearms use, with an additional psychological screening component and vision check--depression that is controlled would not be disqualifying, whilst severe/profound mental illness would; correctable vision issues would be fine, folks who require prismatic lenses to drive might have more issues :D.  (This is also the current definition for whether or not someone is considered 4-F on mental health and visual/physical issues, as an aside.))  Provisions can even be made for persons who have passed a hunter safety course or a CCW course or similar training course to be grandfathered in.  Persons shall be required to retrain and recertify on a regular basis.

(As an aside--I personally am unaware of any successful legal challenges, or even attempts at legal challenges, to CCW laws and hunter safety courses.  The closest I've seen to legal challenges is where states have been reluctant to issue CCW permits when reciprocity agreements exist.This is true even though pretty much all CCW courses and hunter safety courses cost money, and is still applicable even in states where "right to hunt" laws exist.)

There's even some explicit precedent for a federal gun marksmanship program aimed at civilians.  Up until 1996 (when the program was privatised at the hands of the First GOP-Controlled Congress of No) there was a program operated by the US Army (the Civilian Marksmanship Program) that explicitly gave training in safe use of firearms including mil-spec weapons.  The program is still federally chartered to this day (in a public-private relationship not unlike the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) and is probably the closest spiritual successor to the old state guard training programs from the time of the Founding Fathers.

c) Explicitly note that firearms sales shall only be made to persons who are eligible to be members of the unorganised militia under law (that is, mentally competent persons whom have completed a firearms safety course of some sort) and that documentation that the person has completed a firearms safety and training course must be provided to complete a sale.  Further mandate that states may not prohibit a person who has successfully completed a federally approved firearms safety course from owning a firearm unless a major disqualifying condition occurs such as diagnosis of severe/profound mental illness.

d) In the event that a major disqualifying condition becomes apparent between certification testing periods (such as loss of vision, severe/profound mental illness or intellectual disability, other severe physical handicap that renders use of a firearm unsafe even with assistive technology, domestic violence conviction, or other federally disqualifying condition) then the firearms will be confiscated to be held in trust and permit denied until such time as a hearing can be held whether it is likely the person can be sufficiently trained in the safe use of firearms.  If it is likely that the disqualifying condition is permanent or relapsing to such a point as to render their use or possession of firearms unsafe the weapons will be sold at fair market price to an authorised firearms sales agent and the person shall receive full compensation, or may alternatively sell their weapons to a person who successfully has completed a federally approved firearms safety course.

e) Amend the Constitution appropriately with said bugfix (easiest way to get things through).  Others have noted that theoretically the goal could also be done with a favourable Congress and a mere amendment of the Militia Acts; the reason I propose amending the Constitution itself is to head off any attempt to sue in the Supreme Court by the GOA type nutters (who tend to disagree with even stuff like gun serial number registration and mandatory background checks, much less mandatory weapons training as a condition of owning and using a firearm) and to minimize the risk of a sympathetic Supreme Court accidentally-on-purpose doing away with mandatory firearms training (which is really the whole point of this exercise).  Kind of hard for them to biatch too much if it's explicitly noted in the Constitution, rather than in an act of Congress.

In the case of kids, I'd be tempted to include:

f) Graduated firearms permits for younguns (this actually exists now at least for hunting and there is a youth program for the Civilian Marksmanship Program)--kids not allowed to use a firearm without adult supervision and adult ability to control the weapon until they hit the age where hunter safety courses are available; kid must complete firearms safety course to be allowed to have firearms.  (Again, similar to what is in place now for hunter safety and nobody has yet sued over the whole issue of kids needing hunter safety courses.  Hell, in areas where hunting is common it's not all that unusual to see schools offering said hunter safety courses! :D)

Pretty much the only people who would be unhappy are the Gun Owners of America types who even think background checks for gun sales are condensed evil.  The NRA et al would be grousy at first but would end up happy (as they could make money from firearms training courses including adaptive firearms training for persons with disabilities--the NRA actually tends to run most of the hunter safety courses nationwide and a goodly chunk of the CCW training courses as well).  People wanting to keep weapons out of the hands of the excessively violent and severely mentally ill (and folks who literally can't see to shoot straight) would be happy.  Derpy history geeks like me would be happy (as we'd actually have a well-regulated unorganised militia for the first time since 1796 :D).  If we can make the training cheap or free with subsidy, even folks worried re the poor and/or folks worried re the constitutionality of charging for a Firearms Safety Training Cert will be happy (though I'd argue anyone who can afford a handgun could afford training courses, and certainly so with long-guns and shotguns).
2014-01-25 03:54:52 PM
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StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.

We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


You have freedom of speech up to the point where you injure someone with that speech, which 'yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot'does. At which point you are prosecuted for the harm caused.

Similarly, you should most definitely have freedom of ownership of firearms up to the point where you injure someone with that firearm, at which point you should be prosecuted for the harm caused, if not in self defense.

How is that so hard to understand?
2014-01-25 03:48:23 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.


We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.
2014-01-25 03:43:24 PM
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MFAWG: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

And that's the most important thing.

Well, that and making sure as many people as possible have as many guns as they want because America.


Sounds like the shooter was just following the Vice Presidents advice and picked up a shot gun.

Also, the fact that it is just 2 dead plus shooter seems like targeted killings.
2014-01-25 03:43:11 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?


Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.
2014-01-25 03:40:48 PM
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justtray: Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.

Exactly 0 guns were confiscated. The SKS thing is nothing more than a gun nut lie. Go read the actual history of it. It was a subclass of SKS with either removable or non mag. They had been already banned by 1991 and nothing that was grandfathered in was ever deemed illegal.


So I looked into it more, and it appears that registration was held open beyond the legally-mandated window and applied only to detachable-mag "Sporter" SKS types.  The late registrations were later declared invalid and those registrants told to surrender or otherwise dispose.  There are stories and rumors about one or another guy who supposedly had a letter saying his detachable-mag SKS was not covered by the law and later demanded to be surrendered or disposed, but nothing concrete I could find.

But there have been other instances of registration lists used to confiscate weapons newly made illegal, so the general point still stands.
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2014-01-25 03:29:39 PM
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Do you still consider this a scary assault weapon even though its not black?
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Good thing this isnt an assault weapon not scary stock on it. Much higher caliber though.
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This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.

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This is not a registered assault weapon in my state of CT.
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Nothing scarier than an AK
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All these weapons function the same. Even the pistols. None are more or less dangerous than others. Because none are true assault rifles,
2014-01-25 03:16:21 PM
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Purdue_Pete: [Days since last shooting.jpg]


Since when is a double homicide a "mass shooting"?
2014-01-25 03:07:57 PM
1 votes:

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.


Is this really how you see your life?
2014-01-25 03:01:26 PM
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HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.


Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.
2014-01-25 03:01:10 PM
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Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  I'm failing to see your logic.  You're saying that cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  Or defense of other?  And why bring the Army into it?  Cops are not soldiers.  They're civilians like you and me.


Cuomo was in such a rush to pass the SAFE Act that it did not contain a provision in it exempting police from higher capacity magazines.  An addendum was put in 7 months later for that.  But, you know, nobody needs that many rounds In their guns!....except cops, and they would NEVER abuse their authority.  Nuh-uh.
2014-01-25 03:00:26 PM
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The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm. 

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices


Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!
2014-01-25 02:56:29 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Arthen: In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.

[Citation Needed]


Seriously, if you're only hitting 1-in-10 at 6 meters you need to hit the range WAY more often.

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once?

An enumerated right is not dependent upon frequency of a hypothetical.


You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.
2014-01-25 02:55:09 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.


If the "regime" (which ever it may be) decides that tyranny seems like a good idea, they'll come to you with reapers and hellfire missiles. Before you and your band of heroes can yell "1776 will commence!" your entire block will go boom.
2014-01-25 02:54:35 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics

Because nobody outside of, say, a two-gun or speed shooter is that accurate?


Why don't you just go full gun-grabber and ban all semi-auto handguns and only allow revolvers?


Because I rather enjoy shooting a Colt .45 from time to time. Although my grandfather does have a pretty fantastic .38 police revolver from the 20s which is well-balanced and fun to shoot, too.
2014-01-25 02:53:27 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: I simply stated that they are used for applications other than civilian firearms.

If cops are civilians, there is not distinction in the context of 'civilian firearms'.  Or do you prefer a militarization of our LEOs?


In American parlance, cops are not civilians.
2014-01-25 02:51:38 PM
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HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.


How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once? Especially a situation in which he must shoot both? Please provide a real-world example. If two guys are running at you with guns then it doesn't matter if you have 7 rounds or 70, if you're not under cover you're dead anyway.
2014-01-25 02:51:22 PM
1 votes:
Well, this thread took a predicable turn ...

I'mma go be silly somewhere else.
2014-01-25 02:48:14 PM
1 votes:

NEDM: They didn't *start* owning illegal firearms.  The SKS used to be 100% perfectly legal.  That was changed, and when it was changed, the state knew where to come knocking to make their owners give them up.


They were grandfathered in, meaning they owned illegal firearms. It's not my fault that they decided to keep owning them after they became illegal. Especially when apparently the interpretation of the law was quite open.
2014-01-25 02:47:14 PM
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Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.


Depends on the caliber. .40/.45? Probably 1 or 2.  If you have a round in the spout that gives you 8 tries. If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.
2014-01-25 02:43:31 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.



That's because your ignorance regarding firearms could fill a book.
2014-01-25 02:42:32 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: If you want to talk about states, then I'm glad that my state (WA) doesn't have a bunch of bed-wetters like you to pass our firearms laws.

I'm sorry you hate The Bill of Rights.


I don't hate the Bill of Rights. The law is Constitutional. The Constitution  includes the Bill of Rights.
2014-01-25 02:41:50 PM
1 votes:

Kensey: As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.


So essentially they had been grandfathered in (meaning they owned illegal firearms) and the interpretation changed to no longer grandfather them in.
2014-01-25 02:40:04 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?


Correct. If you are not on the defensive you are on the...oh, I'm sure there's a word for it, maybe you can think of it for me.
2014-01-25 02:39:17 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I live in Michigan.  Overwhelming majority of my male relatives hunt.  Of the lot of us, two own businesses in Detroit, one works in the city full time, three periodically, two are in school.  (4 of those 8 own guns, that I'm aware of anyway.  2 have concealed permits but don't carry 24/7.)

Last discussion that came up at Thanksgiving... everyone is for some of those common sense measures (read: universal background checks, maybe limits on weapons you really don't need if you're actually buying for hunting or self-defense).

I'm *pretty* sure my family doesn't have a masochistic streak and everyone didn't agree knowing that their guns (and venison and pheasant and duck) would be taken away if it was ever put in place.


This is one of the reasons I like living in the north. Our gun owners are generally reasonable, they are OK with background checks and the like, and they don't hoard guns and ammunition like the apocalypse is coming.
2014-01-25 02:37:11 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.


Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.
2014-01-25 02:36:09 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.


Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.
2014-01-25 02:34:55 PM
1 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.

You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.


Maybe the 26" total length is what I was thinking. I was looking at Gander Mountain for hunting shotguns a couple months ago (I have some friends that are into duck hunting and we were just talking about it)

Mea culpa.
2014-01-25 02:33:33 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.


I can't believe you are still trying this. Give it a rest, man, nobody's going to come in here and fulfil your liberal fantasy of everyone being afraid of guns.
2014-01-25 02:33:10 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.
2014-01-25 02:32:54 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?


Cops use firearms for a wide variety of things, including house clearance and other tactical applications. 

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.


I'm not felon and it's not a fetish.  My Glock is meant to have 15 round magazines....not the roody-poo 7-10 round mags you suggested.


Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then. That's like saying seat belt laws are stupid because cars prior to seat belt laws were manufactured without them.
2014-01-25 02:30:59 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?

Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.


What data shows that a mass shooter's damage is limited by a magazine capacity restriction? How would owners of such magazines be compensated for the loss of their property?

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?

As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.


Fully automatic firearms are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Transfer of such firearms is subject to a $200 tax already.

What justifies imposing a similar tax on semi-automatic firearms solely due to the presence of a pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a collapsing stock or a barrel shroud when an identically functional firearm without those features would not be taxed in that way?
2014-01-25 02:30:29 PM
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

You do know the legal length for shotgun barrels is 18" right?


Not being knowledgeable about guns and gun laws has never stopped cam from having an opinion on them.
2014-01-25 02:29:44 PM
1 votes:

zamboni: We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.


You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the people shot dead.
2014-01-25 02:28:13 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.


Sorry....that's unreasonable....try again.


It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.
2014-01-25 02:27:32 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.


Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

super_grass: Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.


Keep going, man. I'm sure it's amusing for somebody.
2014-01-25 02:27:18 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


Poor people should be banned from owning firearms. Only landed gentry can be trusted. Besides, this helps keeps guns away from the blacks and Hispanics. That's what you really want, right?
2014-01-25 02:26:41 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?


Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?


As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.
2014-01-25 02:24:10 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?



It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.
2014-01-25 02:24:08 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?

1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?


The Internet's seem to be About 20 minutes ahead of local news usually. I'm with you she did fine. Unless the news started announces an innocent bystander being shot the odds of some kid going to a movie getting capped are about nil anyhow
2014-01-25 02:20:56 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.


My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.
2014-01-25 02:20:17 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: I would be willing to consider a compromise.  What do gun owners get in return for what is de factor registration?


A gun. What's wrong with registration? Are you worried that the government is going to reposses your car?

Fark It: But owning a handgun is a right, why do we need permission to exercise a right?


The 2nd Amendment does not explicitly forbid permits. Deal with it. You need a license to operate a radio station, this does not restrict your freedom of speech, does it?
2014-01-25 02:16:05 PM
1 votes:
Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.
2014-01-25 02:15:30 PM
1 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.

Why?


Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?
2014-01-25 02:14:15 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?


Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.
2014-01-25 02:13:59 PM
1 votes:

Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?


1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?
2014-01-25 02:12:41 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.


universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.
2014-01-25 02:12:10 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.

Awesome strawman, dude.


No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

This is not about petty constitutional hair splitting or arcane statistics or technical functionalities guns. This is about making sure that nobody has the means to make the worst things that you can possibly imagine a person can possibly do into reality.
2014-01-25 02:11:29 PM
1 votes:

impaler: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit getting a kick in the gut.

FTFY!

Good luck.


Probably a more accurate rendition of how Gwendolyn felt when she heard the news before knowing if her daughter was safe.


Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves?


[WhyNotBoth?.jpg]

Let 'em shiat themselves. We're gonna discuss it anyway, and hope to actually implement some sensible gun control (such as what the pre-Cincinnati-Revolt-of-1977 NRA actually supported). It's past time we stopped cowering and kowtowing to them.
2014-01-25 02:09:39 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Why is he dead?  I thought having a gun made you safe, and he is the only one who had a gun.

He should have been the safest guy in the mall?


Of greater concern is that Maryland's assault weapons ban did not prevent this crime.
2014-01-25 02:07:07 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Dimensio: Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

You should see what the people of Rawanda can do with machetes if you think guns are the only way to kill a bunch of people.


In all fairness, the Hutus also used old shock absorbers, gasoline, rocks, big sticks and their feet and fists. It was an orgasmic explosion of mass murder. How easy it is to commit heinous acts when working within the protection of a mob. There are an awful lot of people in this world who would go on butcher rampages if they knew they would never be held to account by the simple fact of being an anonymous face in a crowd.

The New York bikie jerks who beat up that accountant proved how easy it is.
2014-01-25 02:05:54 PM
1 votes:

zamboni: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.


You're right! We should slowly think about things while we continually reset the clock on when it is time to talk about reasonable gun legislation in this country.
2014-01-25 02:05:05 PM
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?

Kind of hard to do when the third shot you fire is through your own head... but hey, Zombie Mass Shooter... Plausible


I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.
2014-01-25 02:04:42 PM
1 votes:

Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.
2014-01-25 02:02:35 PM
1 votes:
According to current statistics NOT pulled from my ass (CDC)

.....for every person in the USA killed by a gun (accident, homicide and intentional suicide)

16 or more people die as a result of medical malpractice.

In other words:  ANY PERSON LIVING IN THE USA IS ABOUT 16 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY THEIR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST THAN A F*KKING GUN!!!!

You wus losers can troll all you want. You can over inflate these isolated incidents all you want. Bottom line....there is NO "gun violence epidemic" going on in this country. Period.

Go to CDC website.
"Violence" (which includes all guns, knives, bludgeoning, strangle, assault....etc) as cause of death in the USA usually ranks somewhere around 15th to 16th behind heart disease,cancer,alcohol-accident, auto........
2014-01-25 01:59:25 PM
1 votes:
According to a WBAL reporter on scene, one witness described it as a shooting at Zumiez Surf Shop. Shooter shot a female employee, then a male employee, and then turned the gun on himself. Love triangle, and there are two job openings at Zumiez if ya'll are interested.
2014-01-25 01:56:01 PM
1 votes:
I worked at the Columbia mall for 7 years, and currently work in the offices across the parking lot. Walk through there pretty much every day.

/Fire & Ice is as far from the shooting as you can be and still be in the mall
2014-01-25 01:49:35 PM
1 votes:

KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!


It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.
2014-01-25 01:47:51 PM
1 votes:

I Like Shiny Things: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

+1. That is some serious farking pwnage.


What else could she do other than blowing up her daughter's cell phone?  Not like they'd let you anywhere near the scene.
2014-01-25 01:47:27 PM
1 votes:
You scared me, Subby. I thought for a moment you meant re-set the clocks literally.

Daylight Saving Time always kills a few people when the clocks Spring forward, although these may be more than compensated for by fewer deaths when they Fall back. I think we should stop the craziness and ban farking around with the clocks. Same time year round.

Farking around with guns is a pretty obvious no-no also.

The reason why so many mass shooters and suicide bombers are drawn from the white yuppie classes is that unlaid entitled young white men are the douchebag hipsters of the murder world. Black youths mostly shoot each other or are jailed for a few grams of pot or crack before they kill. Entitled young white men can get away with murder both literally and figuratively because they come from good families who are well-to-do.

They can stockpile guns and ammo to their heart's content and nobody dares to ask any questions because the precious snowflakes might get upset. Overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white,  overwhelmingly  between 16 and 25, overwhelmingly  privileged, overwhelmingly  narcissistic, overwhelmingly  psychopathic, overwhelmingly  smart-ass, nerdy, geeky, obsessive compulsive, and right wing. These are the assasins, the suicide bombers, the hipsters, the revolutionaries. It's not the poor, the minoritites, and the marginalized who do these things. It's guyz with White People Problems.
2014-01-25 01:42:32 PM
1 votes:
I live near by.  It's way, way to early to say what is going on.  It could be gang related, there are gangs in Columbia, although not many.  It could come out of Baltimore, although it's more likely a DC Suburb for Columbia.  Baltimore's stuff tend to migrate along the 95 corridor, and Columbia is west of Baltimore.  Maryland has really strict concealed carry laws, so if the initial report was correct about a victim being found with a gun and ammunition, it's most likely a off duty cop.  They do carry in Maryland, except in DC.  If it was Western Maryland or the Eastern Shore, you're more likely to find concealed carry permits in those area.  Columbia is actually fairly liberal, and they are pro-gun control.  Odds are it's a domestic dispute of some kind, potentially involving a cop.  Probably not random.  Most of the really violent crime is in the City and it's closely surrounding suburbs.  Columbia is a good 20+ minutes from western Baltimore City, if not closer to 45 with traffic, and the Baltimore Gangs tend to keep to their own turf.  Baltimore Gangs are also kind of peculiar due to Baltimore being a heroin city.  The normal gang rules don't apply, and you'll often get the different bloods and crips fighting themselves, each other, and we have a strong MS-13 presence to boot.  Past the inner harbor in Baltimore, areas around Johns Hopkins, University Hospital, Roland Park, and one or two other well to do areas it's pretty much a free fire zone at it's worse during the warmer months.
2014-01-25 01:39:41 PM
1 votes:

Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.

Wow....


I know, right?  It's really mind-blowing when you think about it.
2014-01-25 01:34:27 PM
1 votes:

MFAWG: Holy shiat, is there still an AOL browser?


Apparently.  Whatever opens in the AOL client, which I assume is still theirs.  My aunt asked me for help when a coupon program she tried to install through it wasn't working last week.  I told her, euphemistically, that I wasn't going anywhere f--king near that.

I got my uncle using Firefox for a good while, then progress rolled back to IE.  At least he doesn't use AOL to check his stock info online anymore.  Mainly email and (sigh) links people send him in his email.

/Baby steps.
//I'm only here once a month, only so much I can do
2014-01-25 01:30:25 PM
1 votes:

walktoanarcade: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

Thank goodness.

Fark it, stories like this make me wish for technology that physically prohibits the unlawful carrying of a weapon into a public place.

What I want are devices that can detect and incapacitate individuals that are unauthorized carriers; through TV commeercials and public awareness programs, people will learn that if they pull a weapon near one of the not-yet-invented devices, the device will shoot out a web-like foam, incapacitating the would-be killer until police or security arrives.

My way allows freedom and provides reality based results.

Don't want to be "webbed?"  Don't pull a gun in a public place.


Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.
2014-01-25 01:26:36 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's the possibility this person was randomly targeting people he didn't know that makes this a little more newsworthy than your average shooting.

/obvious


Except that's complete speculation at this point, sure.
2014-01-25 01:24:09 PM
1 votes:

generallyso: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yeah. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away. The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.

Why should Fark greenlight links about the same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?


Why should we have the "same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?" The answer is that farkers like you keep getting away in any attempt to keep do anything about it. If you just stay out of the way, you wouldn't have to hear about it, and maybe, just maybe, we can start advancing towards a more peaceful nation.

Or you can be a coont about the whole thing. I'm sure that will help.
2014-01-25 01:22:14 PM
1 votes:

HawgWild: Kit Fister: ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.

"brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!

I don't know, but I'm taking it.

*YOINK*


HAHA! You have activated my trap card!

farm7.staticflickr.com


Pay me ten cents. I copyrighted that 10 minutes before you posted.
2014-01-25 01:21:38 PM
1 votes:

Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.

What did your response have to do with my comment?


Getting on the internet to find out what's going on is about the only thing she CAN do. Besides drink I guess.
2014-01-25 01:21:28 PM
1 votes:
And I think I've had about enough Twitter for a lifetime.  What a farking toilet of pearl-clutching, narcissism, spam, and verbal diarrhea.
2014-01-25 01:21:23 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?

It does when it takes place in a frickin' mall, dummy.


why? Why does the location make a difference? If it took place in a poor black neighborhood, would that make it more acceptable for you?

shiat happens. Sometimes it happens in white mans land.


Racist pig.


Im I doing this right?

2014-01-25 01:20:49 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.

"brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!


I don't know, but I'm taking it.

*YOINK*
2014-01-25 01:15:25 PM
1 votes:

Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.


Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.
2014-01-25 01:15:09 PM
1 votes:
I love gun threads its a pleasant reminder of how so many people on this site aren't as smart as they think they are.
2014-01-25 01:12:42 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2014-01-25 01:11:13 PM
1 votes:

kombat_unit: Totally agree, poor people should not be able to defend themselves.


Exactly.  Then eventually, no more poor people and no more gun problems.

It's genius!
2014-01-25 01:11:03 PM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Can we get a clock we reset whenever a subby resets the other clock prematurely?


Know what else subby does prematurely?
2014-01-25 01:10:53 PM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.

3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.


It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.
2014-01-25 01:10:52 PM
1 votes:

pho75: Fark It: And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime

From what I heard on local news, it was murder x2 followed by suicide with a shotgun. At the food court.


That's kind of my impression.  I'm thinking something domestic.
2014-01-25 01:08:10 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime


From what I heard on local news, it was murder x2 followed by suicide with a shotgun. At the food court.
2014-01-25 01:07:30 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.



I didn't know LSD was making a comeback.
2014-01-25 01:06:30 PM
1 votes:
Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?
2014-01-25 01:06:26 PM
1 votes:
And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime
2014-01-25 01:05:05 PM
1 votes:
Did that security guard on the CNN telephone interview just now say police "especially in Maryland got itchy trigger fingers" and "will shoot people for no reason" and yell "Seacrest out!" before he hung up?

Someone please tell me were watching CNN and you heard that too
2014-01-25 01:04:50 PM
1 votes:
avatarfarm.com
2014-01-25 01:03:12 PM
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: I don't recall that section being too bad, but I think it was the Tor(?) area near Oakland Mills HS that was pretty bad. It's also pretty close to the Columbia Mall area...


Even back in the late 80's/early 90's the apartments across the street from Phelps Luck Village Center were pretty sketchy.  An acquaintance of mine from high school was stabbed there, three times.

Yes, he lived there.
2014-01-25 01:00:52 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


News reports say it was a shotgun.
2014-01-25 12:57:28 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Maryland
GBB
2014-01-25 12:56:54 PM
1 votes:
"Thank god"

Thank god, what?  That everyone else is OK?  Well, fark those other 3 people then, huh?

/pet peeve
2014-01-25 12:55:47 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.



How about no?  Does no work for you?
2014-01-25 12:54:32 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.


Because Baltimore doesn't have a gang problem, and gang violence never spills out into suburbs....
2014-01-25 12:54:12 PM
1 votes:
Don't a lot of these shooters end up having come from fairly yuppy backgrounds?

Guns don't kill people. Yuppies kill people.

/SARCASM
2014-01-25 12:53:53 PM
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


I haven't lived in Columbia for over a decade, but there were some fairly sketchy places close by to the mall. But yeah, Columbia by and large is pretty middle class.
2014-01-25 12:53:10 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Is Robyn ok?


Yes, but Muffy got hit right in the Gucci.
2014-01-25 12:52:42 PM
1 votes:

pho75: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.



Because gangs don't have cars or any other way to travel from point A to point B?
2014-01-25 12:51:22 PM
1 votes:

LessO2: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.


Yep.  The original 30,000-resident planned community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_Maryland
2014-01-25 12:51:15 PM
1 votes:
www.reactiongifs.com
2014-01-25 12:50:38 PM
1 votes:
theaxemen.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-25 12:50:15 PM
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


Ahhh, the notorious WASP gang.
2014-01-25 12:49:58 PM
1 votes:

macross87: People still shop at malls?


No one shops at malls anymore.  They're too crowded.
2014-01-25 12:47:56 PM
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Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.
2014-01-25 12:47:37 PM
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Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.



Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.
2014-01-25 12:43:19 PM
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Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


I'm glad to hear that
2014-01-25 12:34:57 PM
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hope everything is ok,
2014-01-25 12:34:25 PM
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2014-01-25 12:28:30 PM
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Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.


((((((HUG))))))

Perfectly understandable.
2014-01-25 12:17:59 PM
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My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.
 
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