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2014-01-25 12:17:59 PM  
My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.
 
2014-01-25 12:28:30 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.


((((((HUG))))))

Perfectly understandable.
 
2014-01-25 12:34:25 PM  
 
2014-01-25 12:34:37 PM  
She safe. Thank god.
 
2014-01-25 12:34:57 PM  
hope everything is ok,
 
2014-01-25 12:40:16 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.
 
2014-01-25 12:43:19 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


I'm glad to hear that
 
2014-01-25 12:47:06 PM  
Looks like the police have confirmed that one of the three dead is the shooter.
 
2014-01-25 12:47:21 PM  
Those sales are to die for.
 
2014-01-25 12:47:22 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

**HUG** :/

 
2014-01-25 12:47:37 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.



Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.
 
2014-01-25 12:47:56 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.
 
2014-01-25 12:48:23 PM  
The shooter probably went there because the mall is a gun free zone.  Had everyone been armed everyone would have been safe.
 
2014-01-25 12:49:19 PM  

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


Yeah the gangs all go to Arundel Mills.
 
2014-01-25 12:49:34 PM  
3 ≠ Mass
 
2014-01-25 12:49:58 PM  

macross87: People still shop at malls?


No one shops at malls anymore.  They're too crowded.
 
2014-01-25 12:49:59 PM  
Is Robyn ok?
 
2014-01-25 12:50:00 PM  

pho75: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.


Yes, absolutely no gangs in Columbia.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22222531/howard-county-gang-arrests-and -u nsolved-murder-has-neighbors-on-edge
 
2014-01-25 12:50:15 PM  

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


Ahhh, the notorious WASP gang.
 
2014-01-25 12:50:38 PM  
theaxemen.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-25 12:50:56 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit. getting a kick


FTFY!

Good luck.
 
2014-01-25 12:50:58 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


Very glad to hear, for your sake.
 
2014-01-25 12:51:15 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


And that's the most important thing.

Well, that and making sure as many people as possible have as many guns as they want because America.
 
2014-01-25 12:51:15 PM  
www.reactiongifs.com
 
2014-01-25 12:51:22 PM  

LessO2: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.


Yep.  The original 30,000-resident planned community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_Maryland
 
2014-01-25 12:51:37 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.
 
2014-01-25 12:51:41 PM  

Muta: The shooter probably went there because the mall is a gun free zone.  Had everyone been armed everyone would have been safe.


And so it begins...


/pops popcorn
 
2014-01-25 12:51:44 PM  

croesius: 3 ≠ Mass


3 > 0. The goal is always 0.
 
2014-01-25 12:52:42 PM  

pho75: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.



Because gangs don't have cars or any other way to travel from point A to point B?
 
2014-01-25 12:53:05 PM  

LessO2: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.


pho75: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Columbia is not close enough for that to be the case.


The noise on Twitter (and I do take this with a huge grain of salt) is suggesting that the shooting happened over a pair of Air Jordans.
 
2014-01-25 12:53:09 PM  
Man.   Thought  i missed daylight  savings reset or something. So glad it was just a shooting
 
2014-01-25 12:53:09 PM  
Murder suicide?
 
2014-01-25 12:53:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Is Robyn ok?


Yes, but Muffy got hit right in the Gucci.
 
2014-01-25 12:53:33 PM  
The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.
 
2014-01-25 12:53:53 PM  

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


I haven't lived in Columbia for over a decade, but there were some fairly sketchy places close by to the mall. But yeah, Columbia by and large is pretty middle class.
 
2014-01-25 12:53:54 PM  

Fark It: Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


wat
 
2014-01-25 12:53:58 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


I can only imagine what might have gone through your head.
 
2014-01-25 12:54:00 PM  

Muta: The shooter probably went there because the mall is a gun free zone.  Had everyone been armed everyone would have been safe.




I thought the entire area was a gun free zone?
They went to the mall because they didn't want to be known as the walmart shooter.
 
2014-01-25 12:54:04 PM  
Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.
 
2014-01-25 12:54:12 PM  
Don't a lot of these shooters end up having come from fairly yuppy backgrounds?

Guns don't kill people. Yuppies kill people.

/SARCASM
 
2014-01-25 12:54:16 PM  

LessO2: Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.


Columbia used to be.  These days, there are places within the area where you don't want to go at night.  Or during the day, really.

/Wouldn't want to go to Columbia mall with or without the threat of being shot.
//Would hesitate to go there if the alternative was getting shot.
///Malls suck.
 
2014-01-25 12:54:32 PM  

INeedAName: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.


Because Baltimore doesn't have a gang problem, and gang violence never spills out into suburbs....
 
2014-01-25 12:54:40 PM  

INeedAName: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.


Who is the ignorant one.  Do you want more posts about Gang activity in and around Columbia?

5 of 21 arrests were from Columbia.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/md/news/2013/21AllegedBloodsGangMembersA nd AssociatesIndictedForFederalCriminalConspiraciesBased_000.html

Do you think gang members don't travel, that they only stay on their blocks?
 
2014-01-25 12:55:08 PM  
Gwendolyn: 
The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.

tell that to the gang that just shot up Valley Fair Mall  which has armed robbers popping off rounds every few years
 
2014-01-25 12:55:40 PM  
News flash and the shooter already suicidizerized? Bow-ring
 
2014-01-25 12:55:47 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.



How about no?  Does no work for you?
 
2014-01-25 12:55:53 PM  
Domestic.
 
2014-01-25 12:56:37 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


You know, we should ban gun in poor neighborhoods.  I bet the murder rate would drop overnight!
 
2014-01-25 12:56:49 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.

I haven't lived in Columbia for over a decade, but there were some fairly sketchy places close by to the mall. But yeah, Columbia by and large is pretty middle class.


Yeah I used to live in one of those places.
Good old Tamer Drive.
 
GBB
2014-01-25 12:56:54 PM  
"Thank god"

Thank god, what?  That everyone else is OK?  Well, fark those other 3 people then, huh?

/pet peeve
 
2014-01-25 12:56:55 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.
 
2014-01-25 12:56:56 PM  
It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.
 
2014-01-25 12:57:01 PM  
Well, I guess I'll be watching my movies at Snowden from now on.
 
2014-01-25 12:57:28 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Maryland
 
2014-01-25 12:57:54 PM  

CipollinaFan: Good old Tamer Drive.


Is that close to Tamar Drive?
 
2014-01-25 12:58:22 PM  
Upper Marlboro checking in

PG County reprez3nt
 
2014-01-25 12:58:46 PM  

Harv72b: CipollinaFan: Good old Tamer Drive.

Is that close to Tamar Drive?



Yes some would say it is the exact same road.
 
2014-01-25 12:58:58 PM  
Yes reset your clock.  Its only news if they report it.
 
2014-01-25 12:59:54 PM  

CipollinaFan: FeedTheCollapse: Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.

I haven't lived in Columbia for over a decade, but there were some fairly sketchy places close by to the mall. But yeah, Columbia by and large is pretty middle class.

Yeah I used to live in one of those places.
Good old Tamer Drive.


I used to know someone who lived on Tamar...

I don't recall that section being too bad, but I think it was the Tor(?) area near Oakland Mills HS that was pretty bad. It's also pretty close to the Columbia Mall area...
 
2014-01-25 12:59:58 PM  
Jeez people are calling me to ask if I am ok. I live 30 miles from there and am still in my jammies listening to my roomate and her mom get stoned on the couch.
 
2014-01-25 01:00:24 PM  

macross87: People still shop at malls?


Not after the age of 18
 
2014-01-25 01:00:52 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


News reports say it was a shotgun.
 
GBB
2014-01-25 01:01:30 PM  

generallyso: It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.


How about Justin Beiber?   Want to talk about that for a bit?
 
2014-01-25 01:01:34 PM  

Molavian: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.

You know, we should ban gun in poor neighborhoods.  I bet the murder rate would drop overnight!


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-25 01:01:36 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

Glad she's safe. Still:


2.bp.blogspot.com


And because I think this might be necessary as well:


cutestuff.co


www.cutebunnypictures.com


shermanave.files.wordpress.com


www.thatcutesite.com


pinkbluelovescute.com


/also, f--k the internet and rule 34

//can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"

///dammit, humanity

////that also applies to the shooting and probably will apply to our response as a country and in the discussion

//multitasking

 
2014-01-25 01:01:53 PM  
www.obrigadopelospeixes.com
 
2014-01-25 01:02:15 PM  
This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.
 
2014-01-25 01:02:20 PM  

groppet: Jeez people are calling me to ask if I am ok. I live 30 miles from there and am still in my jammies listening to my roomate and her mom get stoned on the couch.


Sounds like the start of a scene from a porno flick.
 
GBB
2014-01-25 01:02:23 PM  

RidersOfLohan: Upper Marlboro checking in

PG County reprez3nt


Came from 20744.
Ain't going back.
 
2014-01-25 01:02:57 PM  

Fark It: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Maryland


Hush now, remember the heavily restrictive gun laws don't work because *everyone else* isn't doing them. Like the man said, "I'm not the crazy one, it's everyone else!".
 
2014-01-25 01:03:12 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: I don't recall that section being too bad, but I think it was the Tor(?) area near Oakland Mills HS that was pretty bad. It's also pretty close to the Columbia Mall area...


Even back in the late 80's/early 90's the apartments across the street from Phelps Luck Village Center were pretty sketchy.  An acquaintance of mine from high school was stabbed there, three times.

Yes, he lived there.
 
2014-01-25 01:04:13 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control


Sure, I prefer a two handed grip with both eyes open, measured breathing and aiming for center mass.
Squeeze the trigger slowly and let it be a surprise when the weapon discharges.
 
2014-01-25 01:04:20 PM  

vonschiller: croesius: 3 ≠ Mass

3 > 0. The goal is always 0.


Well yeah.

Unless you're the shooter...

/aisle seat please
 
2014-01-25 01:04:39 PM  

Harv72b: three times


One indecent or three? Because if it's the latter, and it had been me, I wouldn't have gone back after the second time.
 
2014-01-25 01:04:42 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


I'm glad to hear she is safe. You were probably a 100X more anxious than she was.
 
2014-01-25 01:04:47 PM  

Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.


Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.
 
2014-01-25 01:04:50 PM  
avatarfarm.com
 
2014-01-25 01:04:56 PM  

MyRandomName: Do you think gang members don't travel, that they only stay on their blocks?


I don't think they often drive out from Baltimore to shoot up a mall in the burbs. I'm gonna guess deranged white suburbanite teenager on this one.
 
2014-01-25 01:05:05 PM  
Did that security guard on the CNN telephone interview just now say police "especially in Maryland got itchy trigger fingers" and "will shoot people for no reason" and yell "Seacrest out!" before he hung up?

Someone please tell me were watching CNN and you heard that too
 
2014-01-25 01:06:03 PM  

Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.


Thank goodness.

Fark it, stories like this make me wish for technology that physically prohibits the unlawful carrying of a weapon into a public place.

What I want are devices that can detect and incapacitate individuals that are unauthorized carriers; through TV commeercials and public awareness programs, people will learn that if they pull a weapon near one of the not-yet-invented devices, the device will shoot out a web-like foam, incapacitating the would-be killer until police or security arrives.

My way allows freedom and provides reality based results.

Don't want to be "webbed?"  Don't pull a gun in a public place.
 
2014-01-25 01:06:14 PM  

generallyso: It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.


Yeah.  Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away.  The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.


/this post brought to you by the person who is cute bunny bombing this thread

//

cdn4.spiegel.de

 
2014-01-25 01:06:26 PM  
And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime
 
2014-01-25 01:06:27 PM  
Attempted robbery?
 
2014-01-25 01:06:28 PM  
20772

GBB: RidersOfLohan: Upper Marlboro checking in

PG County reprez3nt

Came from 20744.
Ain't going back.


20772

u know how we do
 
2014-01-25 01:06:30 PM  
Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?
 
2014-01-25 01:07:21 PM  
Oh, and Gwendolyn glad to hear that you can get back to simply worrying about your daughter's virtue.
 
2014-01-25 01:07:30 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.



I didn't know LSD was making a comeback.
 
2014-01-25 01:07:39 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: One indecent or three? Because if it's the latter, and it had been me, I wouldn't have gone back after the second time.


Three separate incidences.  I think he was finally shot (fatally) a few years after graduation.

Nice guy whenever I talked to him, but I suspect he acted a tad differently outside of school.
 
2014-01-25 01:08:10 PM  

Fark It: And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime


From what I heard on local news, it was murder x2 followed by suicide with a shotgun. At the food court.
 
2014-01-25 01:08:17 PM  
No it isn't.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:10 PM  

Harv72b: Three separate incidences. I think he was finally shot (fatally) a few years after graduation.

Nice guy whenever I talked to him, but I suspect he acted a tad differently outside of school.


I think Sherlock Holmes would be astounded by your deductive abilities. ;)
 
2014-01-25 01:09:16 PM  

serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?


It does when it takes place in a frickin' mall, dummy.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:17 PM  

Pichu0102: Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


Totally agree, poor people should not be able to defend themselves.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:20 PM  

Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.


3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:26 PM  

Fark It: And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime


So.. make the news FLASH HARDER?!!?
 
2014-01-25 01:09:29 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Is Robyn ok?


She died in her cool graffiti coat.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:49 PM  
Can we get a clock we reset whenever a subby resets the other clock prematurely?
 
2014-01-25 01:10:14 PM  
I need to know if this was a an AKAR-1547 with black-colored dual superchargers and death-adder grips and collapsable killscopes before I can be expected to demonstrate any sort of outrage.  If it was just a handgun, let's say it was one of those anyways!
 
2014-01-25 01:10:14 PM  
When we live in a society that tells us we need guns to solve our problems, stop being so surprised when people use guns to solve their problems.

/when all you have is a hammer...
 
2014-01-25 01:10:52 PM  

pho75: Fark It: And now it looks like the shooting was already over when the police arrived, where they found three bodies in or near the food court, with a gun and ammunition near one of them.

https://twitter.com/search?q=columbia%20mall&src=typd&f=realtime

From what I heard on local news, it was murder x2 followed by suicide with a shotgun. At the food court.


That's kind of my impression.  I'm thinking something domestic.
 
2014-01-25 01:10:53 PM  

AngryDragon: Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.

3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.


It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.
 
2014-01-25 01:11:03 PM  

violentsalvation: Can we get a clock we reset whenever a subby resets the other clock prematurely?


Know what else subby does prematurely?
 
2014-01-25 01:11:10 PM  

Fark It: The noise on Twitter (and I do take this with a huge grain of salt) is suggesting that the shooting happened over a pair of Air Jordans.


Sorry, if it was a different mall, the shooting was with a handgun, and the shooter ran away, then maybe. In this case it's an upscale mall and the shooter had a shotgun, a lot of ammunition, and killed himself. Does not sound spontaneous.
 
2014-01-25 01:11:13 PM  

kombat_unit: Totally agree, poor people should not be able to defend themselves.


Exactly.  Then eventually, no more poor people and no more gun problems.

It's genius!
 
2014-01-25 01:11:58 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.


1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.
 
2014-01-25 01:12:02 PM  

The_Sponge: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


How about no?  Does no work for you?


Well if some nutcase on the internet says no thats good enough for me.
 
2014-01-25 01:12:03 PM  

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?

It does when it takes place in a frickin' mall, dummy.


So double murder-suicide in a crack house is just Tuesday in Chicago then?  That's very racist of you
 
2014-01-25 01:12:18 PM  

Confabulat: It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.


Oh, please.  Tell me you've never wanted to shoot someone in a mall.
 
2014-01-25 01:12:42 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-25 01:12:52 PM  
Now isn't the time to talk about gun violence again.
 
2014-01-25 01:13:22 PM  
I'm going with love triangle gone sideways.
 
2014-01-25 01:13:56 PM  
Uh, oh!  Somebody didn't read the code of conduct!

http://www.visitcolumbiamall.com/content/pdf/code_of_conduct.pdf
 
2014-01-25 01:14:08 PM  

ScaryBottles: The_Sponge: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


How about no?  Does no work for you?

Well if some nutcase on the internet says no thats good enough for me.



Nutcase?  Where is your proof, brochacho?
 
2014-01-25 01:14:21 PM  

Harv72b: Confabulat: It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.

Oh, please.  Tell me you've never wanted to shoot someone in a mall.


Thank god they're gun free zones around here or I would have  been responsible for at least 4 or 5 sprees around Christmastime
 
2014-01-25 01:14:25 PM  
darn.  guess this will just disappear like the "NC state shooting"
 
2014-01-25 01:14:47 PM  
thismodernworld.com
 
2014-01-25 01:14:56 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: //can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"


livedoor.blogimg.jp
Just FYI, don't search for "otter" with safe search off either.
 
2014-01-25 01:15:09 PM  
I love gun threads its a pleasant reminder of how so many people on this site aren't as smart as they think they are.
 
2014-01-25 01:15:25 PM  

Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.


Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.
 
2014-01-25 01:15:31 PM  

RidersOfLohan: darn.  guess this will just disappear like the "NC state shooting"


Brown person.  No story.
 
2014-01-25 01:15:40 PM  

AngryDragon: Harv72b: Confabulat: It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.

Oh, please.  Tell me you've never wanted to shoot someone in a mall.

Thank god they're gun free zones around here or I would have  been responsible for at least 4 or 5 sprees around Christmastime


Christmas music + crowds + crying babies == desire to conduct genocidal cleansings of humanity,.
 
2014-01-25 01:16:08 PM  

FrancoFile: LessO2: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.

Yep.  The original 30,000-resident planned community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_Maryland


I was born in 1980 and grew up there from 1984 to 1989.  Our neighborhood was overrun with the 17 year cicada one summer.  I have mostly great memories growing up there.  I do remember my parents comparing it to Edward Scissor Hands when it came out though.

I'm off to Facebook to find and stalk the girl I played doctor with now.
 
2014-01-25 01:16:36 PM  
The amount of "meh" and questioning the news-worthyness of this situation really sickens and saddens me.
 
2014-01-25 01:16:53 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]



Is it penguin season yet?
 
2014-01-25 01:17:10 PM  
msnbc just had second hand account saying shooter was on upper level shooting at lower level.
 
2014-01-25 01:17:27 PM  

Glitchwerks: StreetlightInTheGhetto: //can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"

[livedoor.blogimg.jp image 600x600]
Just FYI, don't search for "otter" with safe search off either.


what the hell have you guys been searching? I just GIS'd both of those with the safe search off and got nothing but bunnies and otters.

/farking sickos.
//GIS returns images based on your search history
///Special Google account just for searching porn.
 
2014-01-25 01:17:27 PM  

The_Sponge: ScaryBottles: The_Sponge: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


How about no?  Does no work for you?

Well if some nutcase on the internet says no thats good enough for me.


Nutcase?  Where is your proof, brochacho?


brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.
 
2014-01-25 01:17:34 PM  

Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.


I'm just commenting that Hyperventilating when murder is usually very much nonrandom is media driven HYPE. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE. Just wait for the sad details of truth. Statistically this will be spouse shot spouse and lover, sometimes you pay if you play.
 
2014-01-25 01:17:47 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


We have a nice, juicy mass shooting and it took two pages before this got posted? You're slipping, Fark.
 
2014-01-25 01:18:01 PM  

Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.


I hope he is a boy. He will most definitely get some.
 
2014-01-25 01:18:32 PM  
journalistguidetoassaultweapons.jpg
 
2014-01-25 01:18:39 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc just had second hand account saying shooter was on upper level shooting at lower level.


Well, my brother's girlfriend's sister's boyfriend's cousin's dad's best friend said it was Osama himself.
 
2014-01-25 01:18:41 PM  

Gwendolyn: The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


Why would you want to pay $100 for a t-shirt?
 
2014-01-25 01:19:12 PM  

ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

BROHEIM. WHY AREN'T YOU BEING BRO, BROSKI? THAT'S SO NOT BRO, BRO.
 
2014-01-25 01:19:21 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


LOLZ, that never stops being hilarious and insightful.
 
2014-01-25 01:19:21 PM  

Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.


What did your response have to do with my comment?
 
2014-01-25 01:19:28 PM  

ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.


"Brochaco" [sic] is racist?
 
2014-01-25 01:19:28 PM  

ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.


"brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!
 
2014-01-25 01:19:47 PM  
Reset the clock again? We just reset it yesterday with that shooting at a south carolina college! That was less than 24 hours ago! Or did that not count because it was at an HBCU?
 
2014-01-25 01:19:52 PM  

Katie98_KT: Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday.


what a government official from Columbia may look like:

buzzywidewheeler.files.wordpress.com

more attractive photo:

blogs.citypaper.com
 
2014-01-25 01:20:03 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yeah. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away. The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.


Why should Fark greenlight links about the same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?
 
2014-01-25 01:20:48 PM  

generallyso: It's not News it's Gunviolence.com!

Can we find something to greenlight that isn't a shooting in the US? It's getting old.


Not having shootings in the US would help.
 
2014-01-25 01:20:49 PM  

Kit Fister: ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.

"brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!


I don't know, but I'm taking it.

*YOINK*
 
2014-01-25 01:21:23 PM  

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Murder-suicide counts as a news flash now? Should we just unplug the clock all together?

It does when it takes place in a frickin' mall, dummy.


why? Why does the location make a difference? If it took place in a poor black neighborhood, would that make it more acceptable for you?

shiat happens. Sometimes it happens in white mans land.


Racist pig.


Im I doing this right?

 
2014-01-25 01:21:28 PM  
And I think I've had about enough Twitter for a lifetime.  What a farking toilet of pearl-clutching, narcissism, spam, and verbal diarrhea.
 
2014-01-25 01:21:35 PM  

Kit Fister: what the hell have you guys been searching? I just GIS'd both of those with the safe search off and got nothing but bunnies and otters.

/farking sickos.
//GIS returns images based on your search history
///Special Google account just for searching porn.


I use Bing (for Bing Rewards.)  Just trust me that the word "otter" with other words will return results that might interest Rugby Jock.
 
2014-01-25 01:21:38 PM  

Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.

What did your response have to do with my comment?


Getting on the internet to find out what's going on is about the only thing she CAN do. Besides drink I guess.
 
2014-01-25 01:21:45 PM  

SurelyShirley: Why would you want to pay $100 for a t-shirt?


They be like, "Oh, that Gucci - that's hella tight."
I'm like, "Yo - that's fifty dollars for a T-shirt."
Limited edition, let's do some simple addition
Fifty dollars for a T-shirt - that's just some ignorant biatch (shiat)
I call that getting swindled and pimped (shiat)
I call that getting tricked by a business
That shirt's hella dough
And having the same one as six other people in this club is a hella don't
 
2014-01-25 01:22:14 PM  

HawgWild: Kit Fister: ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.

"brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!

I don't know, but I'm taking it.

*YOINK*


HAHA! You have activated my trap card!

farm7.staticflickr.com


Pay me ten cents. I copyrighted that 10 minutes before you posted.
 
2014-01-25 01:22:26 PM  

LoneWolf343: Not having shootings in the US would help.


Considering that even in countries with the strictest gun laws in the world there are still shootings, there's literally zero chance of that happening.
 
2014-01-25 01:22:33 PM  

Prairie Phoenix: The amount of "meh" and questioning the news-worthyness of this situation really sickens and saddens me.


That's because in the time since you posted this, more people have died from being fat.

Does that really sicken and sadden you?
 
2014-01-25 01:22:41 PM  

Kit Fister: "brochaco" is racist? What the hell does it even mean?!


My first simulpost! With near verbatim goodness even!!
 
2014-01-25 01:22:57 PM  

Kit Fister: Glitchwerks: StreetlightInTheGhetto: //can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"

[livedoor.blogimg.jp image 600x600]
Just FYI, don't search for "otter" with safe search off either.

what the hell have you guys been searching? I just GIS'd both of those with the safe search off and got nothing but bunnies and otters.

/farking sickos.
//GIS returns images based on your search history
///Special Google account just for searching porn.


It was one furry-ish computer generated image.  I'm on my uncle's computer taking a break from helping him with computer-stuff since I'm a Young Person.

But I am in Firefox private browsing, not logged into my Google, and he generally uses (sigh) the AOL browser or IE.

/shrug
 
2014-01-25 01:23:55 PM  

Molavian: Prairie Phoenix: The amount of "meh" and questioning the news-worthyness of this situation really sickens and saddens me.

That's because in the time since you posted this, more people have died from being fat.

Does that really sicken and sadden you?


Only if they shot themselves with a gun most likely.
 
2014-01-25 01:24:09 PM  

generallyso: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yeah. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away. The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.

Why should Fark greenlight links about the same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?


Why should we have the "same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?" The answer is that farkers like you keep getting away in any attempt to keep do anything about it. If you just stay out of the way, you wouldn't have to hear about it, and maybe, just maybe, we can start advancing towards a more peaceful nation.

Or you can be a coont about the whole thing. I'm sure that will help.
 
2014-01-25 01:25:03 PM  
It's the possibility this person was randomly targeting people he didn't know that makes this a little more newsworthy than your average shooting.

/obvious
 
2014-01-25 01:25:20 PM  

stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.


Wow....
 
2014-01-25 01:25:26 PM  

LoneWolf343: we can start advancing towards a more peaceful nation.


You mean lower crime rates?  Especially violent crime?
 
2014-01-25 01:26:04 PM  
The worst part is the glib and self-righteous response from Patton Oswald and how all his fans will hail him as a hero just like the last 5 times.
 
2014-01-25 01:26:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's the possibility this person was randomly targeting people he didn't know that makes this a little more newsworthy than your average shooting.

/obvious


Except that's complete speculation at this point, sure.
 
2014-01-25 01:27:02 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.


I'd believe everything you wrote except for the "thin" part.
 
2014-01-25 01:27:06 PM  
Just remember... these murdered people aren't victims. Rednecks with giant arsenals are the victims. Whatever you do, do not talk about gun regulation.
 
2014-01-25 01:27:20 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Kit Fister: Glitchwerks: StreetlightInTheGhetto: //can't even safely GIS "cute bunny"

[livedoor.blogimg.jp image 600x600]
Just FYI, don't search for "otter" with safe search off either.

what the hell have you guys been searching? I just GIS'd both of those with the safe search off and got nothing but bunnies and otters.

/farking sickos.
//GIS returns images based on your search history
///Special Google account just for searching porn.

It was one furry-ish computer generated image.  I'm on my uncle's computer taking a break from helping him with computer-stuff since I'm a Young Person.

But I am in Firefox private browsing, not logged into my Google, and he generally uses (sigh) the AOL browser or IE.

/shrug


Holy shiat, is there still an AOL browser?
 
2014-01-25 01:27:33 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


Maryland has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.  It obviously worked very well as evidenced by this example.  I'm guessing this is a love triangle, which was going to end badly no matter what.
 
2014-01-25 01:28:07 PM  
I remember a shirt I saw at some Baltimore harcore show back in the early 00's.  In nice friendly letters on the front it said, "Welcome to Baltimore!"

The back had an AK47 with "Now get down motherfarker!"

Next Fark party I'll do a plane ticket to Baltimore, kinda miss that place.  Need some crabs.

/not that kind
 
2014-01-25 01:28:11 PM  

generallyso: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yeah. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't gonna make it go away. The fact that we're so goddamn desensitized to this kinda says something.

Why should Fark greenlight links about the same crime in slightly different locations over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on a weekly basis?


Because in about every other relatively stable country in the world, multiple people being shot and murdered in a public place would be bigger news than a Fark headline.

It's also the top result on Google News, so it's not just Fark.  But maybe that's just a sign of the liberal lamestream media trying to force slippery slope gun reform on us so we can be disarmed and Obama and FEMA can finally put their police state plan into action.
 
2014-01-25 01:28:15 PM  

AngryDragon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's the possibility this person was randomly targeting people he didn't know that makes this a little more newsworthy than your average shooting.

/obvious

Except that's complete speculation at this point, sure.


That's why I said "possibility."
 
2014-01-25 01:28:19 PM  

Confabulat: AngryDragon: Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.

3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.

It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.


Omg, not a mall. Stop the presses.

I'm betting that at least one of the victims was a mall employee.
People get killed at their workplaces all the time. Especially if we go with the botched robbery theory.

My money is on office (err, food court) love triangle though.
 
2014-01-25 01:28:26 PM  
That clock has become a stopwatch.
 
2014-01-25 01:28:27 PM  

Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.


+1. That is some serious farking pwnage.
 
2014-01-25 01:28:37 PM  

LoneWolf343: The answer is that farkers like you keep getting away in any attempt to keep do anything about it. If you just stay out of the way, you wouldn't have to hear about it, and maybe, just maybe, we can start advancing towards a more peaceful nation.

Or you can be a coont about the whole thing. I'm sure that will help.



You're blaming me for gun violence? /facepalm
 
2014-01-25 01:29:09 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Just remember... these murdered people aren't victims. Rednecks with giant arsenals are the victims. Whatever you do, do not talk about tangential, unrelated and ineffectual gun regulation.


FTFY
 
2014-01-25 01:29:25 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.

Maryland has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.  It obviously worked very well as evidenced by this example.  I'm guessing this is a love triangle, which was going to end badly no matter what.


Surprise, places with a lot of people have more shootings.

It's like you morons are surprised that a mass shooter would pick a place with a lot of targets or something.
 
2014-01-25 01:30:04 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: /not that kind


We have both!
 
2014-01-25 01:30:17 PM  

snowshovel: Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.

I'd believe everything you wrote except for the "thin" part.


lol
 
2014-01-25 01:30:19 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Just remember... these murdered people aren't victims. Rednecks with giant arsenals are the victims. Whatever you do, do not talk about gun regulation.


Fox has been pushing the 'CCW permit holders are being targeted by Obama's minions' narrative for at least 2 weeks, so that actually is what 'Conservatives' believe.
 
2014-01-25 01:30:25 PM  

walktoanarcade: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

Thank goodness.

Fark it, stories like this make me wish for technology that physically prohibits the unlawful carrying of a weapon into a public place.

What I want are devices that can detect and incapacitate individuals that are unauthorized carriers; through TV commeercials and public awareness programs, people will learn that if they pull a weapon near one of the not-yet-invented devices, the device will shoot out a web-like foam, incapacitating the would-be killer until police or security arrives.

My way allows freedom and provides reality based results.

Don't want to be "webbed?"  Don't pull a gun in a public place.


Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.
 
2014-01-25 01:31:02 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: snowshovel: Parthenogenetic: The liberal mainstream media never covers the millions of times when law-abiding armed citizens go to malls and movie theaters and don't shoot anybody.

Go ahead and panic, sheeple.  The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.

I'd believe everything you wrote except for the "thin" part.

lol


Got that right. it's all that rich, tasty wild game that inflates our...egos.
 
2014-01-25 01:31:04 PM  
Product demonstrations at the mall are fun. I love going to the mall and munching on those little cups of candied nuts or those crackers with salted pasty shiat on them. The gun manufacturers are no different in this respect. They need to show people how good their products are and these are the best advertisements for their product anyone could ever come up with. They'll boost their sales quite a bit from this.

They always do.
 
2014-01-25 01:31:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: ScaryBottles: brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.

BROHEIM. WHY AREN'T YOU BEING BRO, BROSKI? THAT'S SO NOT BRO, BRO.


Ha!

Typo on my part....meant to say brochacho.
 
2014-01-25 01:32:21 PM  
presser now.
 
2014-01-25 01:32:49 PM  
bizarre love pentagon
 
2014-01-25 01:33:29 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.


Better not mention that run-away cop that police went berserk over.

Or that the guy who assassinated JFK was a Marine.
 
2014-01-25 01:34:12 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: walktoanarcade: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

Thank goodness.

Fark it, stories like this make me wish for technology that physically prohibits the unlawful carrying of a weapon into a public place.

What I want are devices that can detect and incapacitate individuals that are unauthorized carriers; through TV commeercials and public awareness programs, people will learn that if they pull a weapon near one of the not-yet-invented devices, the device will shoot out a web-like foam, incapacitating the would-be killer until police or security arrives.

My way allows freedom and provides reality based results.

Don't want to be "webbed?"  Don't pull a gun in a public place.

Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.


True, but it would have done lots of good in numerous other situations.
 
2014-01-25 01:34:27 PM  

MFAWG: Holy shiat, is there still an AOL browser?


Apparently.  Whatever opens in the AOL client, which I assume is still theirs.  My aunt asked me for help when a coupon program she tried to install through it wasn't working last week.  I told her, euphemistically, that I wasn't going anywhere f--king near that.

I got my uncle using Firefox for a good while, then progress rolled back to IE.  At least he doesn't use AOL to check his stock info online anymore.  Mainly email and (sigh) links people send him in his email.

/Baby steps.
//I'm only here once a month, only so much I can do
 
2014-01-25 01:34:29 PM  

fluffy2097: SuperNinjaToad: Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.

Better not mention that run-away cop that police went berserk over.

Or that the guy who assassinated JFK was a Marine.


This just in, farked up people do farked up things. Film at 11.

/exhibit A: the Politics tab
 
2014-01-25 01:38:39 PM  
I work right across the parking lot, glad I'm off today.
 
2014-01-25 01:39:41 PM  

Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.

Wow....


I know, right?  It's really mind-blowing when you think about it.
 
2014-01-25 01:40:54 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: MFAWG: Holy shiat, is there still an AOL browser?

Apparently.  Whatever opens in the AOL client, which I assume is still theirs.  My aunt asked me for help when a coupon program she tried to install through it wasn't working last week.  I told her, euphemistically, that I wasn't going anywhere f--king near that.

I got my uncle using Firefox for a good while, then progress rolled back to IE.  At least he doesn't use AOL to check his stock info online anymore.  Mainly email and (sigh) links people send him in his email.

/Baby steps.
//I'm only here once a month, only so much I can do


I'm old and not terribly technical, and even I got off AOL before the millenium, and only use IE when forced.
 
2014-01-25 01:42:32 PM  
I live near by.  It's way, way to early to say what is going on.  It could be gang related, there are gangs in Columbia, although not many.  It could come out of Baltimore, although it's more likely a DC Suburb for Columbia.  Baltimore's stuff tend to migrate along the 95 corridor, and Columbia is west of Baltimore.  Maryland has really strict concealed carry laws, so if the initial report was correct about a victim being found with a gun and ammunition, it's most likely a off duty cop.  They do carry in Maryland, except in DC.  If it was Western Maryland or the Eastern Shore, you're more likely to find concealed carry permits in those area.  Columbia is actually fairly liberal, and they are pro-gun control.  Odds are it's a domestic dispute of some kind, potentially involving a cop.  Probably not random.  Most of the really violent crime is in the City and it's closely surrounding suburbs.  Columbia is a good 20+ minutes from western Baltimore City, if not closer to 45 with traffic, and the Baltimore Gangs tend to keep to their own turf.  Baltimore Gangs are also kind of peculiar due to Baltimore being a heroin city.  The normal gang rules don't apply, and you'll often get the different bloods and crips fighting themselves, each other, and we have a strong MS-13 presence to boot.  Past the inner harbor in Baltimore, areas around Johns Hopkins, University Hospital, Roland Park, and one or two other well to do areas it's pretty much a free fire zone at it's worse during the warmer months.
 
2014-01-25 01:45:24 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER:

That's clever! did you just make that? Or did you write that comic after a previous inspiration?
 
2014-01-25 01:45:30 PM  

Kit Fister: This just in, farked up people do farked up things. Film at 11.

/exhibit A: the Politics tab


Breaking news. Social unrest on the rise. Scientists unsure if the rise in violence is attributed to; A widening gap between rich and poor, A lack of affordable education, over a decade of being at war, Gang activity, Racial tensions, drug use, video games, a lack of decent healthcare, increased unemployment, global warming, Gender inequality, or listening to Maralyn Manson.

/It's more about why WOULDN'T you want to kill a bunch of people and then yourself these days.
//Permanent solutions to temporary problems. The American way.
 
2014-01-25 01:46:23 PM  
img.gawkerassets.com
 
2014-01-25 01:47:27 PM  
You scared me, Subby. I thought for a moment you meant re-set the clocks literally.

Daylight Saving Time always kills a few people when the clocks Spring forward, although these may be more than compensated for by fewer deaths when they Fall back. I think we should stop the craziness and ban farking around with the clocks. Same time year round.

Farking around with guns is a pretty obvious no-no also.

The reason why so many mass shooters and suicide bombers are drawn from the white yuppie classes is that unlaid entitled young white men are the douchebag hipsters of the murder world. Black youths mostly shoot each other or are jailed for a few grams of pot or crack before they kill. Entitled young white men can get away with murder both literally and figuratively because they come from good families who are well-to-do.

They can stockpile guns and ammo to their heart's content and nobody dares to ask any questions because the precious snowflakes might get upset. Overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white,  overwhelmingly  between 16 and 25, overwhelmingly  privileged, overwhelmingly  narcissistic, overwhelmingly  psychopathic, overwhelmingly  smart-ass, nerdy, geeky, obsessive compulsive, and right wing. These are the assasins, the suicide bombers, the hipsters, the revolutionaries. It's not the poor, the minoritites, and the marginalized who do these things. It's guyz with White People Problems.
 
2014-01-25 01:47:51 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

+1. That is some serious farking pwnage.


What else could she do other than blowing up her daughter's cell phone?  Not like they'd let you anywhere near the scene.
 
KIA
2014-01-25 01:48:34 PM  
Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!
 
2014-01-25 01:49:10 PM  

ScaryBottles: The_Sponge: ScaryBottles: The_Sponge: Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


How about no?  Does no work for you?

Well if some nutcase on the internet says no thats good enough for me.


Nutcase?  Where is your proof, brochacho?

brochaco? so your're racist as well as crazy good to know.


your mom is crazy good to know
 
2014-01-25 01:49:24 PM  
caller on msnbc says the store was Lids.
 
2014-01-25 01:49:35 PM  

KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!


It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.
 
2014-01-25 01:49:40 PM  

brantgoose: You scared me, Subby. I thought for a moment you meant re-set the clocks literally.

Daylight Saving Time always kills a few people when the clocks Spring forward, although these may be more than compensated for by fewer deaths when they Fall back. I think we should stop the craziness and ban farking around with the clocks. Same time year round.

Farking around with guns is a pretty obvious no-no also.

The reason why so many mass shooters and suicide bombers are drawn from the white yuppie classes is that unlaid entitled young white men are the douchebag hipsters of the murder world. Black youths mostly shoot each other or are jailed for a few grams of pot or crack before they kill. Entitled young white men can get away with murder both literally and figuratively because they come from good families who are well-to-do.

They can stockpile guns and ammo to their heart's content and nobody dares to ask any questions because the precious snowflakes might get upset. Overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white,  overwhelmingly  between 16 and 25, overwhelmingly  privileged, overwhelmingly  narcissistic, overwhelmingly  psychopathic, overwhelmingly  smart-ass, nerdy, geeky, obsessive compulsive, and right wing. These are the assasins, the suicide bombers, the hipsters, the revolutionaries. It's not the poor, the minoritites, and the marginalized who do these things. It's guyz with White People Problems.


*favorited!
 
2014-01-25 01:50:02 PM  

croesius: 3 ≠ Mass


It does in civilized places.
 
2014-01-25 01:52:15 PM  
Does this mean i have to go to work an hour earlier?
 
2014-01-25 01:52:34 PM  

fluffy2097: Kit Fister: This just in, farked up people do farked up things. Film at 11.

/exhibit A: the Politics tab

Breaking news. Social unrest on the rise. Scientists unsure if the rise in violence is attributed to; A widening gap between rich and poor, A lack of affordable education, over a decade of being at war, Gang activity, Racial tensions, drug use, video games, a lack of decent healthcare, increased unemployment, global warming, Gender inequality, or listening to Maralyn Manson.

/It's more about why WOULDN'T you want to kill a bunch of people and then yourself these days.
//Permanent solutions to temporary problems. The American way.


Violent crime and crime in general has been plummeting:

www.rightoncrime.com
Which makes the media's obsession with various crime "epidemics" all the more troubling.
 
2014-01-25 01:52:41 PM  
Could be gang related.  Would be unusual for them to be have shotguns for mall carry though.

Unless it was Omar
 
2014-01-25 01:53:37 PM  
insidedisillusion.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-25 01:54:49 PM  

fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.


Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:07 PM  

Old Man Winter: The worst part is the glib and self-righteous response from Patton Oswald and how all his fans will hail him as a hero just like the last 5 times.


Patton Oswalt
 
2014-01-25 01:55:40 PM  
Well, we've certainly lowered the bar for 'shooting sprees'.

Random targets or co-workers/immediate threats?

A 'shooting spree' would be targets at random, with intent on volume.
 
2014-01-25 01:56:01 PM  
I worked at the Columbia mall for 7 years, and currently work in the offices across the parking lot. Walk through there pretty much every day.

/Fire & Ice is as far from the shooting as you can be and still be in the mall
 
2014-01-25 01:56:34 PM  
The reason why so many mass shooters and suicide bombers are drawn from the white yuppie classes is that unlaid entitled young white men are the douchebag hipsters of the murder world. Black youths mostly shoot each other or are jailed for a few grams of pot or crack before they kill. Entitled young white men can get away with murder both literally and figuratively because they come from good families who are well-to-do.

They can stockpile guns and ammo to their heart's content and nobody dares to ask any questions because the precious snowflakes might get upset. Overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white,  overwhelmingly  between 16 and 25, overwhelmingly  privileged, overwhelmingly  narcissistic, overwhelmingly  psychopathic, overwhelmingly  smart-ass, nerdy, geeky, obsessive compulsive, and right wing. These are the assasins, the suicide bombers, the hipsters, the revolutionaries. It's not the poor, the minoritites, and the marginalized who do these things. It's guyz with White People Problems.


~4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-25 01:57:51 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Well, we've certainly lowered the bar for 'shooting sprees'.

Random targets or co-workers/immediate threats?

A 'shooting spree' would be targets at random, with intent on volume.


LOL. It's a new version of splitting hairs about what a shoulder fired, gas operated, magazine fed weapon should actually be called.
 
2014-01-25 01:58:41 PM  
The food court is directly outside the Sears on the lower level.
 
2014-01-25 01:58:43 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: walktoanarcade: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

Thank goodness.

Fark it, stories like this make me wish for technology that physically prohibits the unlawful carrying of a weapon into a public place.

What I want are devices that can detect and incapacitate individuals that are unauthorized carriers; through TV commeercials and public awareness programs, people will learn that if they pull a weapon near one of the not-yet-invented devices, the device will shoot out a web-like foam, incapacitating the would-be killer until police or security arrives.

My way allows freedom and provides reality based results.

Don't want to be "webbed?"  Don't pull a gun in a public place.

Would not have done a bit of good in he theatre shooting or the Major Hassan shooting and probably a dozen other mass shootings. Not only were they lawful but one was an retired police chief and the other active duty Army.


That guy wasn't a retired chief, just a retired cop
 
2014-01-25 01:58:57 PM  

Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.


Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.
 
2014-01-25 01:59:03 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: croesius: 3 ≠ Mass

It does in civilized places.


Every time I hear "civilized" in a context like this (guns and whatnot) I think of Obi-Wan. Coincidentally, that smug and condescending attitude is a reason why the Jedi order/Republic was weak and lackadaisical and the Emperor was able to blindside and wreck their ass.
 
2014-01-25 01:59:18 PM  

Fark It: INeedAName: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.

Because Baltimore doesn't have a gang problem, and gang violence never spills out into suburbs....


Becuase if violence occured it must be gang related. Let mediaheads just to conclusions. The rest of us can wait for factual reporting.
 
2014-01-25 01:59:20 PM  

Dimensio: Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.


You should see what the people of Rawanda can do with machetes if you think guns are the only way to kill a bunch of people.
 
2014-01-25 01:59:25 PM  
According to a WBAL reporter on scene, one witness described it as a shooting at Zumiez Surf Shop. Shooter shot a female employee, then a male employee, and then turned the gun on himself. Love triangle, and there are two job openings at Zumiez if ya'll are interested.
 
2014-01-25 02:00:22 PM  

Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?
 
2014-01-25 02:00:24 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Well, we've certainly lowered the bar for 'shooting sprees'.

Random targets or co-workers/immediate threats?

A 'shooting spree' would be targets at random, with intent on volume.


Well if you want to get technical here, it's probably a double murder with a suicide.

But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.
 
2014-01-25 02:00:38 PM  
This tragic event obviously confirms my pre-existing views on gun laws.
 
2014-01-25 02:01:45 PM  

INeedAName: Fark It: INeedAName: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

Glad to see ignorant people aren't afraid to post on the internet.

Because Baltimore doesn't have a gang problem, and gang violence never spills out into suburbs....

Becuase if violence occured it must be gang related. Let mediaheads just to conclusions. The rest of us can wait for factual reporting.


Much, if not most, of our violent crime is gang-related.
 
2014-01-25 02:02:35 PM  
According to current statistics NOT pulled from my ass (CDC)

.....for every person in the USA killed by a gun (accident, homicide and intentional suicide)

16 or more people die as a result of medical malpractice.

In other words:  ANY PERSON LIVING IN THE USA IS ABOUT 16 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY THEIR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST THAN A F*KKING GUN!!!!

You wus losers can troll all you want. You can over inflate these isolated incidents all you want. Bottom line....there is NO "gun violence epidemic" going on in this country. Period.

Go to CDC website.
"Violence" (which includes all guns, knives, bludgeoning, strangle, assault....etc) as cause of death in the USA usually ranks somewhere around 15th to 16th behind heart disease,cancer,alcohol-accident, auto........
 
2014-01-25 02:02:51 PM  

super_grass: DeathByGeekSquad: Well, we've certainly lowered the bar for 'shooting sprees'.

Random targets or co-workers/immediate threats?

A 'shooting spree' would be targets at random, with intent on volume.

Well if you want to get technical here, it's probably a double murder with a suicide.

But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.


We're a nation of feelings.
 
2014-01-25 02:03:04 PM  

Kensey: Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


Shotguns are longarms and do indeed fall under AWB's occasionally. Mostly pump shotguns.

The mossberg 590 for example under the original federal assault weapons ban was legal only with 2 of the following features at a time.

Pistol grip.
Adjustable stock.
Bayonet/grenade launcher lug.

You will notice that they never bothered to change the amount of rounds it holds. (Which would just involve placing a wooden dowel in the feed tube and telling people they'll be in a lot of trouble if they take it out.)
 
2014-01-25 02:03:17 PM  

super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.


Awesome strawman, dude.
 
2014-01-25 02:03:18 PM  

super_grass: fluffy2097: Kit Fister: This just in, farked up people do farked up things. Film at 11.

/exhibit A: the Politics tab

Breaking news. Social unrest on the rise. Scientists unsure if the rise in violence is attributed to; A widening gap between rich and poor, A lack of affordable education, over a decade of being at war, Gang activity, Racial tensions, drug use, video games, a lack of decent healthcare, increased unemployment, global warming, Gender inequality, or listening to Maralyn Manson.

/It's more about why WOULDN'T you want to kill a bunch of people and then yourself these days.
//Permanent solutions to temporary problems. The American way.

Violent crime and crime in general has been plummeting:


Which makes the media's obsession with various crime "epidemics" all the more troubling.


Pretty much. Now every shooting is a 'omg school shooting, mass murderer etc etc'. This shiats not new. Every time someone kills someone and it happens to occur in a public place its not sandy hook or columbine.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 02:03:53 PM  
Why is he dead?  I thought having a gun made you safe, and he is the only one who had a gun.

He should have been the safest guy in the mall?
 
2014-01-25 02:04:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?


Kind of hard to do when the third shot you fire is through your own head... but hey, Zombie Mass Shooter... Plausible
 
2014-01-25 02:04:42 PM  

Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.
 
2014-01-25 02:05:03 PM  

Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.

What did your response have to do with my comment?

Getting on the internet to find out what's going on is about the only thing she CAN do. Besides drink I guess.


I'm sorry, I missed the post where she said: "OMG, my kid is at that mall.  Can anyone please inform me what the hell is happening."  Instead we got a post that the kid was there and she was freaking a little.  Let's see what else could she done?  How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on?  How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone?  How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)?  How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?  Like I say, any number of things to do, including drinking or taking a Xanax, but posting to Fark hardly qualifies as anything other than attention whoring.
 
2014-01-25 02:05:05 PM  

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?

Kind of hard to do when the third shot you fire is through your own head... but hey, Zombie Mass Shooter... Plausible


I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.
 
2014-01-25 02:05:54 PM  

zamboni: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.


You're right! We should slowly think about things while we continually reset the clock on when it is time to talk about reasonable gun legislation in this country.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:12 PM  

Fark It: brantgoose: You scared me, Subby. I thought for a moment you meant re-set the clocks literally.

Daylight Saving Time always kills a few people when the clocks Spring forward, although these may be more than compensated for by fewer deaths when they Fall back. I think we should stop the craziness and ban farking around with the clocks. Same time year round.

Farking around with guns is a pretty obvious no-no also.

The reason why so many mass shooters and suicide bombers are drawn from the white yuppie classes is that unlaid entitled young white men are the douchebag hipsters of the murder world. Black youths mostly shoot each other or are jailed for a few grams of pot or crack before they kill. Entitled young white men can get away with murder both literally and figuratively because they come from good families who are well-to-do.

They can stockpile guns and ammo to their heart's content and nobody dares to ask any questions because the precious snowflakes might get upset. Overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white,  overwhelmingly  between 16 and 25, overwhelmingly  privileged, overwhelmingly  narcissistic, overwhelmingly  psychopathic, overwhelmingly  smart-ass, nerdy, geeky, obsessive compulsive, and right wing. These are the assasins, the suicide bombers, the hipsters, the revolutionaries. It's not the poor, the minoritites, and the marginalized who do these things. It's guyz with White People Problems.

*favorited!


brant is hilarious and you are very wrong if you think one person on earth gives a damn about who you add to your ignore list
 
2014-01-25 02:06:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: reasonable


Define reasonable.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.


Must have been a Nirvana fan.
 
2014-01-25 02:07:07 PM  

fluffy2097: Dimensio: Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

You should see what the people of Rawanda can do with machetes if you think guns are the only way to kill a bunch of people.


In all fairness, the Hutus also used old shock absorbers, gasoline, rocks, big sticks and their feet and fists. It was an orgasmic explosion of mass murder. How easy it is to commit heinous acts when working within the protection of a mob. There are an awful lot of people in this world who would go on butcher rampages if they knew they would never be held to account by the simple fact of being an anonymous face in a crowd.

The New York bikie jerks who beat up that accountant proved how easy it is.
 
2014-01-25 02:07:38 PM  

Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.


Solution: ban handguns.
 
2014-01-25 02:08:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?


You are correct. Mass murder, with more than three victims, has never been committed with a firearm other than a semi-automatic rifle.
 
2014-01-25 02:09:00 PM  

super_grass: fluffy2097: Kit Fister: This just in, farked up people do farked up things. Film at 11.

/exhibit A: the Politics tab

Breaking news. Social unrest on the rise. Scientists unsure if the rise in violence is attributed to; A widening gap between rich and poor, A lack of affordable education, over a decade of being at war, Gang activity, Racial tensions, drug use, video games, a lack of decent healthcare, increased unemployment, global warming, Gender inequality, or listening to Maralyn Manson.

/It's more about why WOULDN'T you want to kill a bunch of people and then yourself these days.
//Permanent solutions to temporary problems. The American way.

Violent crime and crime in general has been plummeting:

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Which makes the media's obsession with various crime "epidemics" all the more troubling.


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Murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants 2012 (not gun-only)
  0-1
  1-2
  2-5
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Light -> Dark.

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2014-01-25 02:09:08 PM  

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.

Must have been a Nirvana fan.


Or Earnest Hemingway.
 
2014-01-25 02:09:39 PM  

vpb: Why is he dead?  I thought having a gun made you safe, and he is the only one who had a gun.

He should have been the safest guy in the mall?


Of greater concern is that Maryland's assault weapons ban did not prevent this crime.
 
2014-01-25 02:09:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: zamboni: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

It matters not one whit. There is a time for action and a time for thinking... and this, my friends, is no time for thinking.

You're right! We should slowly think about things while we continually reset the clock on when it is time to talk about reasonable gun legislation in this country.


We already have reasonable gun legislation. The issue on the table is now unreasonable, draconian gun legislation.

We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.
 
2014-01-25 02:10:10 PM  

Dimensio: Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Solution: ban handguns.


I think this situation clearly calls for strengthening laws regarding Trusts used to poses Class III NFA items.
 
2014-01-25 02:10:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.

Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Had he used something like an AR-15 with a 30-round mag, he probably would have killed more than 3 people, no?


I actually have some 60 and 100 round mags for my ARs, too.  They work great.

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2014-01-25 02:11:24 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Dimensio: Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Solution: ban handguns.

I think this situation clearly calls for strengthening laws regarding Trusts used to poses Class III NFA items.


Three people were shot.  We need to ban guns capable of accepting magazines that hold more than two rounds.
 
2014-01-25 02:11:29 PM  

impaler: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit getting a kick in the gut.

FTFY!

Good luck.


Probably a more accurate rendition of how Gwendolyn felt when she heard the news before knowing if her daughter was safe.


Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves?


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Let 'em shiat themselves. We're gonna discuss it anyway, and hope to actually implement some sensible gun control (such as what the pre-Cincinnati-Revolt-of-1977 NRA actually supported). It's past time we stopped cowering and kowtowing to them.
 
2014-01-25 02:11:45 PM  

Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.

What did your response have to do with my comment?

Getting on the internet to find out what's going on is about the only thing she CAN do. Besides drink I guess.

I'm sorry, I missed the post where she said: "OMG, my kid is at that mall.  Can anyone please inform me what the hell is happening."  Instead we got a post that the kid was there and she was freaking a little.  Let's see what else could she done?  How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on?  How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone?  How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)?  How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?  Like I say, any number of things to do, including drinking or taking a Xanax, but posting to Fark hardly qualifies as anything other than attention whoring.


In fairness most folks have a pretty good idea if someone wants to murder them. This doesn't sound random.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.

Awesome strawman, dude.


No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

This is not about petty constitutional hair splitting or arcane statistics or technical functionalities guns. This is about making sure that nobody has the means to make the worst things that you can possibly imagine a person can possibly do into reality.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:11 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I Like Shiny Things: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

+1. That is some serious farking pwnage.

What else could she do other than blowing up her daughter's cell phone?  Not like they'd let you anywhere near the scene.


Facebook and twitter would be my first choice. And a selfie on instagram that conveys my grief.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:41 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.


universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:21 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Dimensio: Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Solution: ban handguns.

I think this situation clearly calls for strengthening laws regarding Trusts used to poses Class III NFA items.


Uh, don't even get me started on that bullsh*t.  I just had a Form 1 kicked back.  Filled out exactly like all the other Form 1s I've ever submitted.  For a SBS, no less.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:59 PM  

Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?


1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?
 
2014-01-25 02:14:15 PM  

super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?


Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.
 
2014-01-25 02:15:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.


Why?
 
2014-01-25 02:15:30 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.

Why?


Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?
 
2014-01-25 02:16:05 PM  
Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.
 
2014-01-25 02:16:17 PM  

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


You would be surprised.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:09 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: Facebook and twitter would be my first choice. And a selfie on instagram that conveys my grief.


Christ.  She made two posts venting her freak out on a site she's been on for over a decade.  Under a pseudonym.  Give it the f--k up.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason),


I would be willing to consider a compromise.  What do gun owners get in return for what is de factor registration?

permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks

But owning a handgun is a right, why do we need permission to exercise a right?

, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag)

"High capacity" is anything over 7 rounds?  Since when?  Factory magazines for most new pistols hold 13-19 rounds.

and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.

We already have an NFA tax for suppressors, SBRs, and automatic weapons.  And define "assault weapon," the definition seems to keep moving depending on the whims of gun control advocates, and varies from state-to-state.

I would support including semi-automatic rifles on the NFA, and charge the $5 "AOW" tax stamp for them (thus, registering them) in exchange for a compromise of repealing the Hughes Amendment and removing SBRs from the NFA entirely.
 
2014-01-25 02:18:43 PM  

Dimensio: vpb: Why is he dead?  I thought having a gun made you safe, and he is the only one who had a gun.

He should have been the safest guy in the mall?

Of greater concern is that Maryland's assault weapons ban did not prevent this crime.


Or Maryland's murder laws.
 
2014-01-25 02:19:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.


Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.
 
2014-01-25 02:20:17 PM  

Fark It: I would be willing to consider a compromise.  What do gun owners get in return for what is de factor registration?


A gun. What's wrong with registration? Are you worried that the government is going to reposses your car?

Fark It: But owning a handgun is a right, why do we need permission to exercise a right?


The 2nd Amendment does not explicitly forbid permits. Deal with it. You need a license to operate a radio station, this does not restrict your freedom of speech, does it?
 
2014-01-25 02:20:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?


cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.


Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?
 
2014-01-25 02:20:29 PM  

COMALite J: impaler: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit getting a kick in the gut.

FTFY!

Good luck.

Probably a more accurate rendition of how Gwendolyn felt when she heard the news before knowing if her daughter was safe.


Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves?

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Let 'em shiat themselves. We're gonna discuss it anyway, and hope to actually implement some sensible gun control (such as what the pre-Cincinnati-Revolt-of-1977 NRA actually supported). It's past time we stopped cowering and kowtowing to them.


What, exactly, constitutes "sensible gun control?"
 
2014-01-25 02:20:56 PM  

super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.


My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.
 
2014-01-25 02:21:31 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?


Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.
 
2014-01-25 02:22:12 PM  

Harv72b: LessO2: Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.

Columbia used to be.  These days, there are places within the area where you don't want to go at night.  Or during the day, really.

/Wouldn't want to go to Columbia mall with or without the threat of being shot.
//Would hesitate to go there if the alternative was getting shot.
///Malls suck.



You're obviously easily frightened....of everything. Perhaps an adult nanny is in order.


/lives just outside Columbia.
 
2014-01-25 02:22:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason),


I am not opposed to such a measure, but I question enforcement ability.


permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks,

How, exactly, would a permitting process occur?


bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag)

What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?


and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.


What justifies such an imposition?
 
2014-01-25 02:24:08 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?

1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?


The Internet's seem to be About 20 minutes ahead of local news usually. I'm with you she did fine. Unless the news started announces an innocent bystander being shot the odds of some kid going to a movie getting capped are about nil anyhow
 
2014-01-25 02:24:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?



It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.
 
2014-01-25 02:24:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: A gun. What's wrong with registration?


It has repeatedly been demonstrated to lead to confiscation.  Why should we trust you guys?  And what do cars have to do with this?

cameroncrazy1984: The 2nd Amendment does not explicitly forbid permits. Deal with it.


Right, but most ardent gun control advocates want to use "permits" the same way that the South used poll taxes and tests during Jim Crow.

You need a license to operate a radio station, this does not restrict your freedom of speech, does it?

You need a license to manufacture and sell guns commercially, to the public.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.



Sorry....that's unreasonable....try again.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?

Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


Per the NFA, shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18", if the barrel is shorter than 18" you have to get a special background check and tax stamp.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:34 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.

My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.


Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:41 PM  

Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?


Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?


As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.
 
2014-01-25 02:27:18 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


Poor people should be banned from owning firearms. Only landed gentry can be trusted. Besides, this helps keeps guns away from the blacks and Hispanics. That's what you really want, right?
 
2014-01-25 02:27:32 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.


Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

super_grass: Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.


Keep going, man. I'm sure it's amusing for somebody.
 
2014-01-25 02:28:13 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.


Sorry....that's unreasonable....try again.


It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.
 
2014-01-25 02:28:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense


Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?
 
2014-01-25 02:29:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.


You do know the legal length for shotgun barrels is 18" right?
 
2014-01-25 02:29:44 PM  

zamboni: We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.


You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the people shot dead.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:02 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


NRA said EVERYONE should have guns... including the thugs.,
 
2014-01-25 02:30:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.



I'm not felon and it's not a fetish.  My Glock is meant to have 15 round magazines....not the roody-poo 7-10 round mags you suggested.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:29 PM  

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

You do know the legal length for shotgun barrels is 18" right?


Not being knowledgeable about guns and gun laws has never stopped cam from having an opinion on them.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?

Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.


What data shows that a mass shooter's damage is limited by a magazine capacity restriction? How would owners of such magazines be compensated for the loss of their property?

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?

As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.


Fully automatic firearms are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Transfer of such firearms is subject to a $200 tax already.

What justifies imposing a similar tax on semi-automatic firearms solely due to the presence of a pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a collapsing stock or a barrel shroud when an identically functional firearm without those features would not be taxed in that way?
 
2014-01-25 02:31:15 PM  

Wyalt Derp: zamboni: We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the people shot dead.


If you were one of the people shot dead you wouldn't be saying anything....
 
2014-01-25 02:31:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

super_grass: Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.

Keep going, man. I'm sure it's amusing for somebody.


I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.
 
2014-01-25 02:31:43 PM  
Another responsible gun owner I am sure...

'Murica, Fark Ya
 
2014-01-25 02:31:59 PM  
Shot himself to death with a shotgun? At the food court? I'll bet that cut down the business there for awhile.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:20 PM  

Confabulat: AngryDragon: Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.

3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.

It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.


Would you feel better if it was at a library? I didn't know malls were some sacrosanct location.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:54 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?


Cops use firearms for a wide variety of things, including house clearance and other tactical applications. 

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.


I'm not felon and it's not a fetish.  My Glock is meant to have 15 round magazines....not the roody-poo 7-10 round mags you suggested.


Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then. That's like saying seat belt laws are stupid because cars prior to seat belt laws were manufactured without them.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:55 PM  
Rivetman1.0:  . . . I prefer a two handed grip with both eyes open, measured breathing and aiming for center mass.
Squeeze the trigger slowly smoothly and let it be a surprise when the weapon discharges.


FTFY. you can be smooth AND fast with practice.
 
2014-01-25 02:33:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.
 
2014-01-25 02:33:33 PM  

super_grass: I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.


I can't believe you are still trying this. Give it a rest, man, nobody's going to come in here and fulfil your liberal fantasy of everyone being afraid of guns.
 
2014-01-25 02:34:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?

Cops use firearms for a wide variety of things, including house clearance and other tactical applications.



You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.
 
2014-01-25 02:34:55 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.

You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.


Maybe the 26" total length is what I was thinking. I was looking at Gander Mountain for hunting shotguns a couple months ago (I have some friends that are into duck hunting and we were just talking about it)

Mea culpa.
 
2014-01-25 02:35:11 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?


You know they weren't always standard issue, and you know why they are now, right?

Stupid circular argument is circular and stupid.
 
2014-01-25 02:35:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.



Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.
 
2014-01-25 02:36:09 PM  

Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.


Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.
 
2014-01-25 02:36:26 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.

I can't believe you are still trying this. Give it a rest, man, nobody's going to come in here and fulfil your liberal fantasy of eveiryone being afraid of guns.


Oh, I don't care about what others think.

Its other people who have to abide by what I think is safe or adequate. I mean, do you really expect the average redneck (which I am fairly confident that all gun nuts are part of) to know what's good for them?

They need people like me to tell the government to tell them what is good for them.
 
2014-01-25 02:37:11 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.


Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.
 
2014-01-25 02:37:45 PM  

Fark It: Right, but most ardent gun control advocates want to use "permits" the same way that the South used poll taxes and tests during Jim Crow.


According to whom?

I live in Michigan.  Overwhelming majority of my male relatives hunt.  Of the lot of us, two own businesses in Detroit, one works in the city full time, three periodically, two are in school.  (4 of those 8 own guns, that I'm aware of anyway.  2 have concealed permits but don't carry 24/7.)

Last discussion that came up at Thanksgiving... everyone is for some of those common sense measures (read: universal background checks, maybe limits on weapons you really don't need if you're actually buying for hunting or self-defense).

I'm *pretty* sure my family doesn't have a masochistic streak and everyone didn't agree knowing that their guns (and venison and pheasant and duck) would be taken away if it was ever put in place.
 
2014-01-25 02:38:14 PM  

super_grass: Oh, I don't care about what others think.

Its other people who have to abide by what I think is safe or adequate. I mean, do you really expect the average redneck (which I am fairly confident that all gun nuts are part of) to know what's good for them?

They need people like me to tell the government to tell them what is good for them.


You are quite persistent, I'll give you that. Got anymore outdated liberal stereotypes to toss out here while you're at it? Maybe say you eat nothing but granola and wear tie-dye and wear patchouli?
 
2014-01-25 02:38:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.


Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  I'm failing to see your logic.  You're saying that cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  Or defense of other?  And why bring the Army into it?  Cops are not soldiers.  They're civilians like you and me.
 
2014-01-25 02:38:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?


As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.
 
2014-01-25 02:39:17 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I live in Michigan.  Overwhelming majority of my male relatives hunt.  Of the lot of us, two own businesses in Detroit, one works in the city full time, three periodically, two are in school.  (4 of those 8 own guns, that I'm aware of anyway.  2 have concealed permits but don't carry 24/7.)

Last discussion that came up at Thanksgiving... everyone is for some of those common sense measures (read: universal background checks, maybe limits on weapons you really don't need if you're actually buying for hunting or self-defense).

I'm *pretty* sure my family doesn't have a masochistic streak and everyone didn't agree knowing that their guns (and venison and pheasant and duck) would be taken away if it was ever put in place.


This is one of the reasons I like living in the north. Our gun owners are generally reasonable, they are OK with background checks and the like, and they don't hoard guns and ammunition like the apocalypse is coming.
 
2014-01-25 02:39:31 PM  
Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

i22.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-25 02:40:04 PM  

Fark It: Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?


Correct. If you are not on the defensive you are on the...oh, I'm sure there's a word for it, maybe you can think of it for me.
 
2014-01-25 02:41:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.



If you want to talk about states, then I'm glad that my state (WA) doesn't have a bunch of bed-wetters like you to pass our firearms laws.

I'm sorry you hate The Bill of Rights.
 
2014-01-25 02:41:50 PM  

Kensey: As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.


So essentially they had been grandfathered in (meaning they owned illegal firearms) and the interpretation changed to no longer grandfather them in.
 
2014-01-25 02:42:32 PM  

The_Sponge: If you want to talk about states, then I'm glad that my state (WA) doesn't have a bunch of bed-wetters like you to pass our firearms laws.

I'm sorry you hate The Bill of Rights.


I don't hate the Bill of Rights. The law is Constitutional. The Constitution  includes the Bill of Rights.
 
2014-01-25 02:42:37 PM  

super_grass: cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.

My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.

Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.


So, you want tougher laws on a type of crime that has been on a severe drop for the last two decades regardless of any legislation on the books?  You are obviously easily swayed by by news reports, and apparently easily panicked.
 
2014-01-25 02:43:16 PM  
Guns can never be used defensively, only used to threaten. There is no rational reason to own a gun.
 
2014-01-25 02:43:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.



That's because your ignorance regarding firearms could fill a book.
 
2014-01-25 02:43:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.


Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.
 
2014-01-25 02:43:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Oh, I don't care about what others think.

Its other people who have to abide by what I think is safe or adequate. I mean, do you really expect the average redneck (which I am fairly confident that all gun nuts are part of) to know what's good for them?

They need people like me to tell the government to tell them what is good for them.

You are quite persistent, I'll give you that. Got anymore outdated liberal stereotypes to toss out here while you're at it? Maybe say you eat nothing but granola and wear tie-dye and wear patchouli?


How is that a stereotype? People don't have the right to have something just because they like it, especially things that I deem harmful. Luckily for me there are all kinds of down to earth, common sense legislation that won't be shot down by SCOTUS that will lets me enact my will on them. The fact that similar laws are not ruled unconstitutional just validates my correctness.

Is that somehow "wrong"?
 
2014-01-25 02:44:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?

Correct. If you are not on the defensive you are on the...oh, I'm sure there's a word for it, maybe you can think of it for me.


Got it.  Cops, who wear body armor, typically respond in groups, and have access to vast armories, helicopters, SWAT teams, etc., NEED "high capacity" magazines.

Filthy civilians who typically respond to threats alone, without body armor, and have a police response time of 15+ minutes (not to mention the fact that the police are under no legal obligation to protect you) should be limited to 7 rounds.
 
2014-01-25 02:44:41 PM  
It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.
 
2014-01-25 02:45:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Correct. If you are not on the defensive you are on the...oh, I'm sure there's a word for it, maybe you can think of it for me.



Justified murder is not only allowed in defensive situations since many good Samaritan laws have been strengthened.  Defense of others (which justified offensive actions) is also allowed.
 
2014-01-25 02:45:47 PM  

Arthen: Guns can never be used defensively, only used to threaten. There is no rational reason to own a gun.


Uh, what?
 
2014-01-25 02:45:54 PM  

Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.



And your point is?

The First Amendment was written before computers, the internet, and Fark.com.
 
2014-01-25 02:45:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.

So essentially they had been grandfathered in (meaning they owned illegal firearms) and the interpretation changed to no longer grandfather them in.


Most people would phrase that as "they legally owned those firearms, but then because of changing interpretation that ownership was labeled illegal".
 
2014-01-25 02:46:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.

So essentially they had been grandfathered in (meaning they owned illegal firearms) and the interpretation changed to no longer grandfather them in.


Yes, because it's not confiscation if it's an "illegal" gun.  Definitely not confiscation if you require registration and then change the definition of a "legal" gun.

I have a question.  Is there such a thing as an unconstitutional gun law, in your view?  At what point would you say "I think this goes too far?"
 
2014-01-25 02:46:51 PM  

Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.


Ah, I see, a troll. Nevermind.
 
2014-01-25 02:47:08 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:


I'm perfectly comfortable around that type of weapon. I got the best training in the world on how to use it. It's how I know high functioning retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.
 
2014-01-25 02:47:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.

So essentially they had been grandfathered in (meaning they owned illegal firearms) and the interpretation changed to no longer grandfather them in.


They didn't *start* owning illegal firearms.  The SKS used to be 100% perfectly legal.  That was changed, and when it was changed, the state knew where to come knocking to make their owners give them up.

If a previously-legal gun was suddenly outlawed and then confiscated, why should they not see that as a slippery slope?  Should they just shrug and accept it as a price they have to pay for owning a gun that the government could outlaw and confiscate any one of their legal arms?
 
2014-01-25 02:47:14 PM  

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.


Depends on the caliber. .40/.45? Probably 1 or 2.  If you have a round in the spout that gives you 8 tries. If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.
 
2014-01-25 02:48:14 PM  

NEDM: They didn't *start* owning illegal firearms.  The SKS used to be 100% perfectly legal.  That was changed, and when it was changed, the state knew where to come knocking to make their owners give them up.


They were grandfathered in, meaning they owned illegal firearms. It's not my fault that they decided to keep owning them after they became illegal. Especially when apparently the interpretation of the law was quite open.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.

Depends on the caliber. .40/.45? Probably 1 or 2.  If you have a round in the spout that gives you 8 tries. If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.


Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics
 
2014-01-25 02:49:15 PM  

MFAWG: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

I'm perfectly comfortable around that type of weapon. I got the best training in the world on how to use it. It's how I know high functioning retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.



And who are the "high functioning retards" you are talking about?
 
2014-01-25 02:49:25 PM  

Fark It: Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  I'm failing to see your logic.  You're saying that cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  Or defense of other?  And why bring the Army into it?  Cops are not soldiers.  They're civilians like you and me.


When did I say that Cops do not use their weapons for self-defense? I simply stated that they are used for applications other than civilian firearms. Hence the ability and availability of magazines that are better-suited for law-enforcement and/or military applications.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.


Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:40 PM  

super_grass: cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.

Awesome strawman, dude.

No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

This is not about petty constitutional hair splitting or arcane statistics or technical functionalities guns. This is about making sure that nobody has the means to make the worst things that you can possibly imagine a person can possibly do into reality.


There are more effective ways to commit such a crime than a gun.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:42 PM  

The_Sponge: Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.


And your point is?

The First Amendment was written before computers, the internet, and Fark.com.


A literal reading of the Constitution including accompanying texts concludes that the goal was a militia capable of putting down a standing army should it be instituted. That doesn't mean civilians should be able to own assault weapons, that means we should have cutting edge military hardware like predator drones with hell fire missiles. The fact that's a right means should you be unable to afford a predator the government is obligated to provide it for you.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:46 PM  
Tomorrow on FARK:

Where will today's mass shootings happen? What will the shooter use to exercise his God given Second Amendment right? Does anyone on either side of the debate have a convincing argument left? It's your daily mass shooting thread
 
2014-01-25 02:50:06 PM  

Fark It: Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics


Because nobody outside of, say, a two-gun or speed shooter is that accurate?
 
2014-01-25 02:50:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: They were grandfathered in, meaning they owned illegal firearms.


That's not what "grandfathering" means.
 
2014-01-25 02:50:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mea culpa.


No worries. I was genuinely curious, as I my Tiger-style Google-Fu is usually pretty strong, but I couldn't find anything about the legality of barrels shorter than 30" (especially considering that is pretty long as far as shotguns go).
 
2014-01-25 02:50:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?

Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.



These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already), and is nothing more than a pompous asshole governor's grandstanding and whoring out the Newtown incident.  "Hey, let's outlaw a firearm that is used in less than 2% of gun crimes in the nation, and pass it in the middle of the night before the unlicensed can even review it!".   That sounds totally like an honest-to-goodness, on-the-level, cares-what-the-public-thinks law, right there.  I hope Cuomo drowns in a shallow puddle.
 
2014-01-25 02:51:22 PM  
Well, this thread took a predicable turn ...

I'mma go be silly somewhere else.
 
2014-01-25 02:51:38 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.


How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once? Especially a situation in which he must shoot both? Please provide a real-world example. If two guys are running at you with guns then it doesn't matter if you have 7 rounds or 70, if you're not under cover you're dead anyway.
 
2014-01-25 02:51:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I simply stated that they are used for applications other than civilian firearms.


If cops are civilians, there is not distinction in the context of 'civilian firearms'.  Or do you prefer a militarization of our LEOs?
 
2014-01-25 02:52:05 PM  

Arthen: It's almost like the second ammendment was written before weapons technology advanced beyond muzzle loading muskets.


The dead white guys who wrote the Constitution were well familiar with rifles and handguns.  It's quite likely they knew of revolvers (early forms of which date to the 1500s) and repeating rifles, which were fairly well-known in Europe from the late 1600s and used in warfare before the Constitution was written.

More to the point they were not complete idiots who thought their own era was the end state of technology, since at least one of them was an accomplished inventor.
 
2014-01-25 02:52:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics

Because nobody outside of, say, a two-gun or speed shooter is that accurate?



Why don't you just go full gun-grabber and ban all semi-auto handguns and only allow revolvers?
 
2014-01-25 02:52:37 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.


In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.
 
2014-01-25 02:52:50 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already)


Yep, you can be safely ignored since you have no idea what's going on.
 
2014-01-25 02:52:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.

How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once? Especially a situation in which he must shoot both? Please provide a real-world example. If two guys are running at you with guns then it doesn't matter if you have 7 rounds or 70, if you're not under cover you're dead anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CriVUV5lh_M
 
2014-01-25 02:53:26 PM  

The_Sponge: MFAWG: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

I'm perfectly comfortable around that type of weapon. I got the best training in the world on how to use it. It's how I know high functioning retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.


And who are the "high functioning retards" you are talking about?


If the shoe fits.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:27 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: I simply stated that they are used for applications other than civilian firearms.

If cops are civilians, there is not distinction in the context of 'civilian firearms'.  Or do you prefer a militarization of our LEOs?


In American parlance, cops are not civilians.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:38 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.


Well, to be sure, it looks as if you don't know about the law either, as NY has - it would appear - not banned shotguns with barrels less than 30" long.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:41 PM  

Arthen: A literal reading of the Constitution including accompanying texts concludes that the goal was a militia capable of putting down a standing army should it be instituted.


Not aware of the Heller decision, I see.  You may want to research this decision before you go too much further here.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:50 PM  

Arthen: In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.


[Citation Needed]
 
2014-01-25 02:54:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: NEDM: They didn't *start* owning illegal firearms.  The SKS used to be 100% perfectly legal.  That was changed, and when it was changed, the state knew where to come knocking to make their owners give them up.

They were grandfathered in, meaning they owned illegal firearms. It's not my fault that they decided to keep owning them after they became illegal. Especially when apparently the interpretation of the law was quite open.


So, their owners (who had a perfectly legal gun before the outlawing/grandfathering) should have just shrugged and gave up their weapons.  What the hell stops the state from doing that to any gun?

If the answer to that is "nothing, get over it", explain why the hell the NRA is supposed to be a-okay with gun registration again?
 
2014-01-25 02:54:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already)

Yep, you can be safely ignored since you have no idea what's going on.


This is rich, coming from you.
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 02:54:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


actually the 7 round law was knocked down in court for the age act. The judge ruled it was an arbitrary number that had no basis. Because of this the 10 round will likely be fought in court as well since it is an arbitrary number with no studies showing it would reduced death. And since there is case law it works to gun owners like myself benefit now.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:24 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: cameroncrazy1984: Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?

Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already), and is nothing more than a pompous asshole governor's grandstanding and whoring out the Newtown incident.  "Hey, let's outlaw a firearm that is used in less than 2% of gun crimes in the nation, and pass it in the middle of the night before the unlicensed can even review it!".   That sounds totally like an honest-to-goodness, on-the-level, cares-what-the-public-thinks law, right there.  I hope Cuomo drowns in a shallow puddle.


Hey, the anti-gunners are the ones with the superior poutrage and moral high horse there.

Nobody shows more concern about gun crime than we do. And just because we're don't know about gun names or specifications or regulation or functionality doesn't mean our sincerest emotions aren't just as valid as your knowledge.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:35 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics

Because nobody outside of, say, a two-gun or speed shooter is that accurate?


Why don't you just go full gun-grabber and ban all semi-auto handguns and only allow revolvers?


Because I rather enjoy shooting a Colt .45 from time to time. Although my grandfather does have a pretty fantastic .38 police revolver from the 20s which is well-balanced and fun to shoot, too.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once?


An enumerated right is not dependent upon frequency of a hypothetical.
 
2014-01-25 02:55:09 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.


If the "regime" (which ever it may be) decides that tyranny seems like a good idea, they'll come to you with reapers and hellfire missiles. Before you and your band of heroes can yell "1776 will commence!" your entire block will go boom.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:29 PM  

Kit Fister: Arthen: In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.

[Citation Needed]


Seriously, if you're only hitting 1-in-10 at 6 meters you need to hit the range WAY more often.

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once?

An enumerated right is not dependent upon frequency of a hypothetical.


You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:40 PM  

stonelotus: Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.

Wow....

I know, right?  It's really mind-blowing when you think about it.


When you are in the same building the odds become slightly more than random. Carry on though. Callous disregard for life is necessary to for you to shrug and say "No biggie."
 
2014-01-25 02:57:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


PARTS of it were upheld as constitutional (and those will be appealed, too).  Ironically, one of the key portions of the Act that was deemed unconstitutional is the one you're pretty staunch about:  high capacity magazines.  The limitation to 7 rounds was identified as unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-25 02:57:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.



What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
 
2014-01-25 02:58:28 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


your cat also licks it's own asshole.  not the wisest of creatures.  but  good point none the less, we need more cats.
cvcl.mit.edu
 
2014-01-25 02:58:30 PM  

Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.


I recently in an accident and had the bones in my leg replaced with titanium. I'm stuck in bed. My husband and my oldest kid were calling her and her boyfriend...who had their phones off because they were at the movies. As we read they were sending people to the theater for safety I was not as worried as I could have been.
 
2014-01-25 02:58:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, if you're only hitting 1-in-10 at 6 meters you need to hit the range WAY more often


18 feet is far in a stressful, defensive situation, especially if it's dark.

Range shooting and real-life shooing are two entirely different ballgames.

You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices.
 
2014-01-25 02:59:27 PM  

Gwendolyn: I recently in an accident and had the bones in my leg replaced with titaniumadamantium.

 
2014-01-25 02:59:28 PM  

MFAWG: I got the best training in the world on how to use it.



Good for you....it means you are a better shot than I am.

But it doesn't mean that I am irresponsible with firearms.
 
2014-01-25 02:59:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.
 
2014-01-25 03:00:26 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm. 

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices


Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!
 
2014-01-25 03:01:08 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Pfffft. That's like saying that the first amendment protected the internet or the color of the shirt you wear.

I'm fairly that my interpretation of the second amendment doesn't really protect firearms or ammunition despite what SCOTUS moo-moo wearers would like you to think. (they're probably on the NRA's payroll like any gun nut)
 
2014-01-25 03:01:10 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  I'm failing to see your logic.  You're saying that cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  Or defense of other?  And why bring the Army into it?  Cops are not soldiers.  They're civilians like you and me.


Cuomo was in such a rush to pass the SAFE Act that it did not contain a provision in it exempting police from higher capacity magazines.  An addendum was put in 7 months later for that.  But, you know, nobody needs that many rounds In their guns!....except cops, and they would NEVER abuse their authority.  Nuh-uh.
 
2014-01-25 03:01:26 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.


Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.
 
2014-01-25 03:01:51 PM  

Tymast: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]

your cat also licks it's own asshole. not the wisest of creatures.  but  good point none the less, we need more cats.
[cvcl.mit.edu image 410x361]



I try not to think about that when he occasionally takes a sip from my beer.

i22.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-25 03:02:32 PM  

Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.


Not good enough, we gotta roll pump action shotties for the kids
 
2014-01-25 03:02:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!


Because they're for commercial purposes and they use public airwaves.  Kind of like how people engaged in the commercial sale and manufacture of firearms and ammunition are required to have licenses.  Your nonsense about the FCC has no bearing on this discussion.

Do you need a license to own a radio?
 
2014-01-25 03:03:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


In general terms it is addressed here:

When the Supreme Court affirmed the individual right to arms in  District of Columbia vHeller(2008) it suggested among other things that the Second Amendment protects firearms in "common use".
 
2014-01-25 03:03:56 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


That's because your cat didn't fall for the "OMG, big, scary guns are the debil!!" like them, either.
 
2014-01-25 03:04:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.

Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.


New York's 7 round limit was found unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-25 03:04:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.


Again, see the Heller Decision.
 
2014-01-25 03:05:22 PM  
So glad that they rammed SB281 down our throats here in MD last year. You know, that bill that was supposed to prevent THIS. EXACT. THING.

My money is on the shooter being known to the two victims.
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:05:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm.

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices

Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!

Courts have ruled the 7 round limit unconstitutional already it was knocked down. The 10 round will be challenged as well.

 
2014-01-25 03:05:54 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]

That's because your cat didn't fall for the "OMG, big, scary guns are the debil!!" like them, either.



Actually, it's because it's tan.  If my AR was black, my cat would hiss and freak out.
 
2014-01-25 03:06:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already)

Yep, you can be safely ignored since you have no idea what's going on.


You're the one spouting incorrect information.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:19 PM  

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.


Exactly 0 guns were confiscated. The SKS thing is nothing more than a gun nut lie. Go read the actual history of it. It was a subclass of SKS with either removable or non mag. They had been already banned by 1991 and nothing that was grandfathered in was ever deemed illegal.

Sponge knows this. He is a liar. He also thinks the 2nd amendment is a 'very important amendment' but cant answer why. He isn't to be taken seriously on anything on fark. As a final kicker, i recently found out he's a bandwagon seahawks fan, if you needed more reason to dislike him.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:47 PM  
Which clock are we resetting now?

People getting shot in and around DC is nothing farking new.  I'm getting real tired of these goddamn news flashes.

Get over it.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:57 PM  

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.


Is this really how you see your life?
 
2014-01-25 03:08:37 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Pets and guns thread!!!

img.tapatalk.com
 
2014-01-25 03:09:24 PM  

SRD: Courts have ruled the 7 round limit unconstitutional already it was knocked down. The 10 round will be challenged as well


Yep.  Even the old Winchesters made before the turn of the century had more than a 7 round capacity.  Are you seriously going to outlaw a Winchester 1886 in a .45-70 that has a 9 round tube magazine?
 
2014-01-25 03:09:31 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.

Well, to be sure, it looks as if you don't know about the law either, as NY has - it would appear - not banned shotguns with barrels less than 30" long.


Where did I mention anything about barrel length?  You have me mixed up with Cameron.
 
2014-01-25 03:10:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm. 

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices

Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!


The 7 round limit was struck from the Act. You can have more than 7 rounds in a magazine in New York. Most handguns have a magazine capacity that is higher than 7 rounds. Actually, I can only think 1 or 2 handguns limited to 7 rounds.
 
2014-01-25 03:10:55 PM  
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2014-01-25 03:10:55 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Things people who dont know what the constitution means say?
 
2014-01-25 03:10:56 PM  

Errk: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]

Pets and guns thread!!!

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Hahahahaha!
 
2014-01-25 03:14:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.

How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once? Especially a situation in which he must shoot both? Please provide a real-world example. If two guys are running at you with guns then it doesn't matter if you have 7 rounds or 70, if you're not under cover you're dead anyway.


Larry Correia has a lot to say on this topic, both number of assailants and how many rounds required (and a lot of other things too, but not as pertinent to the point here):

"Because usually -- contrary to the movies -- you have to hit an opponent multiple times in order to make them stop. Because sometimes you may have multiple assailants. We don't have more rounds in the magazine so we can shoot more, we have more rounds in the magazine so we are forced to manipulate our gun  less if we have to shoot more."

"...ten rounds sucks when you take a wound ballistics class like I have and go over case after case after case after case of enraged, drug addled, prison hardened, perpetrators who soaked up five, seven, nine, even fifteen bullets and still walked under their own power to the ambulance. That isn't uncommon at all."

"...Also, you're going to miss. It is going to happen. If you can shoot pretty little groups at the range, those groups are going to expand dramatically under the stress and adrenalin....or the bad guy may end up hiding behind something which your bullets don't penetrate. Nobody has ever survived a gunfight and then said afterwards, 'Darn, I wish I hadn't brought all that extra ammo.' So having more rounds in the gun is a good thing for self-defense use."

As for multiple-assailant attacks, think ganged-up-on minorities like gays.
 
2014-01-25 03:14:21 PM  
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2014-01-25 03:14:27 PM  
Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.
 
2014-01-25 03:16:21 PM  

Purdue_Pete: [Days since last shooting.jpg]


Since when is a double homicide a "mass shooting"?
 
2014-01-25 03:16:50 PM  

ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.


*points to nose*
 
2014-01-25 03:18:01 PM  

Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.

Wow....

I know, right?  It's really mind-blowing when you think about it.

When you are in the same building the odds become slightly more than random. Carry on though. Callous disregard for life is necessary to for you to shrug and say "No biggie."


you hang onto your manufactured outrage real tight now, ya hear?
 
2014-01-25 03:18:17 PM  

ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.



Oh get over yourself.

I didn't even pose him with it....he decided to hop onto the chair and photobomb.

And no, I don't consider it a toy or a prop.
 
2014-01-25 03:19:43 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Where did I mention anything about barrel length? You have me mixed up with Cameron.


You: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them. NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already), and is nothing more than a pompous asshole governor's grandstanding and whoring out the Newtown incident. "Hey, let's outlaw a firearm that is used in less than 2% of gun crimes in the nation, and pass it in the middle of the night before the unlicensed can even review it!". That sounds totally like an honest-to-goodness, on-the-level, cares-what-the-public-thinks law, right there. I hope Cuomo drowns in a shallow puddle.


Cameron mentioned 30" barrels being illegal in NY. You went on a rant about NY's gun laws. At least tacitly (in reality, not at all tacitly), you were agreeing that 30" barrels were illegal in NY. They are not. Ergo, you don't know about the law either.
 
2014-01-25 03:20:20 PM  

The_Sponge: ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.


Oh get over yourself.

I didn't even pose him with it....he decided to hop onto the chair and photobomb.

And no, I don't consider it a toy or a prop.


You told me you don't leave your guns lying around the house. But now you say you do. 
Figures.
 
2014-01-25 03:23:04 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Dr Jack Badofsky: Where did I mention anything about barrel length? You have me mixed up with Cameron.

You: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them. NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already), and is nothing more than a pompous asshole governor's grandstanding and whoring out the Newtown incident. "Hey, let's outlaw a firearm that is used in less than 2% of gun crimes in the nation, and pass it in the middle of the night before the unlicensed can even review it!". That sounds totally like an honest-to-goodness, on-the-level, cares-what-the-public-thinks law, right there. I hope Cuomo drowns in a shallow puddle.


Cameron mentioned 30" barrels being illegal in NY. You went on a rant about NY's gun laws. At least tacitly (in reality, not at all tacitly), you were agreeing that 30" barrels were illegal in NY. They are not. Ergo, you don't know about the law either.


You're really reaching on that one, pal.

1. Just because I didn't take the time to correct it in reply does not mean I accept it as fact, and

2. I was not the one claiming to know everything about guns, I was pointing out that the people all outraged and 'legislatey" are the ones who understand them the least.  Sorry you felt the need to jump to conclusions.
 
2014-01-25 03:23:06 PM  

YouAreItNoTagBacks: Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.

Is this really how you see your life?


I actually don't own or carry anything right now.  But if I ever did feel the pressing need, I wouldn't want the law to prevent me from taking effective action in that regard.  Seven- and ten-round limits are ludicrous because that may not be enough to stop even ONE person, even if every round is on-target.

The idea is to think about this stuff ahead of time so you don't have to worry about it all the time.
 
2014-01-25 03:28:07 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: You're really reaching on that one, pal.

1. Just because I didn't take the time to correct it in reply does not mean I accept it as fact, and

2. I was not the one claiming to know everything about guns, I was pointing out that the people all outraged and 'legislatey" are the ones who understand them the least. Sorry you felt the need to jump to conclusions.


Or maybe, the next time you feel the urge to spew some spittle-flecked screed, you should take the time to make a cogent, germane argument.
 
2014-01-25 03:28:09 PM  

ontariolightning: The_Sponge: ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.


Oh get over yourself.

I didn't even pose him with it....he decided to hop onto the chair and photobomb.

And no, I don't consider it a toy or a prop.

You told me you don't leave your guns lying around the house. But now you say you do. 
Figures.


I took it out from the safe....snapped a picture....and placed it back it the safe.

I never said I left them around the house....why can you not understand that?

Stop making things up.
 
2014-01-25 03:28:26 PM  

ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.



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SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:29:39 PM  
Do you still consider this a scary assault weapon even though its not black?
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Good thing this isnt an assault weapon not scary stock on it. Much higher caliber though.
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This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.

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This is not a registered assault weapon in my state of CT.
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Nothing scarier than an AK
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All these weapons function the same. Even the pistols. None are more or less dangerous than others. Because none are true assault rifles,
 
2014-01-25 03:29:51 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Dr Jack Badofsky: You're really reaching on that one, pal.

1. Just because I didn't take the time to correct it in reply does not mean I accept it as fact, and

2. I was not the one claiming to know everything about guns, I was pointing out that the people all outraged and 'legislatey" are the ones who understand them the least. Sorry you felt the need to jump to conclusions.

Or maybe, the next time you feel the urge to spew some spittle-flecked screed, you should take the time to make a cogent, germane argument.


No, you were just jumping to conclusions.  Do try to wrap your head around that.
 
2014-01-25 03:31:22 PM  

super_grass: cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.

Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.


I can write you a psychiatry referral for your problems, if you like
 
2014-01-25 03:33:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I live in Michigan.  Overwhelming majority of my male relatives hunt.  Of the lot of us, two own businesses in Detroit, one works in the city full time, three periodically, two are in school.  (4 of those 8 own guns, that I'm aware of anyway.  2 have concealed permits but don't carry 24/7.)

Last discussion that came up at Thanksgiving... everyone is for some of those common sense measures (read: universal background checks, maybe limits on weapons you really don't need if you're actually buying for hunting or self-defense).

I'm *pretty* sure my family doesn't have a masochistic streak and everyone didn't agree knowing that their guns (and venison and pheasant and duck) would be taken away if it was ever put in place.

This is one of the reasons I like living in the north. Our gun owners are generally reasonable, they are OK with background checks and the like, and they don't hoard guns and ammunition like the apocalypse is coming.


Maybe it's a proximity to Canada thing.

Granted, we still have plenty of idiots (Michigan militia didn't form in a vacuum).  But vast majority of gun owners I know are the go to the woods/drink beer/shoot food + maybe carry when traveling to dicier areas variety.
 
2014-01-25 03:33:48 PM  

ontariolightning: Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.


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Dude, he is just protecting himself.  What do you expect a cat to do?
 
2014-01-25 03:33:53 PM  

Alonjar: Which clock are we resetting now?


The upscale mall shooting with multiple deaths + gunman suicide clock.

With so many clocks, it's understandable to select the wrong one by mistake.  But it can be easy to select the right clock if you just remember this simple mnemonic device.

LANDER

Location/Area + Number of Deaths + End Result

Don't embarrass yourself by needlessly resetting the wrong clock again.
 
2014-01-25 03:35:28 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: But vast majority of gun owners I know are the go to the woods/drink beer/shoot food + maybe carry when traveling to dicier areas variety.


They sound responsible.
 
2014-01-25 03:36:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?

Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?

As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.


Automatic weapons have been used exactly twice in crime since the nfa was established. Stop spouting crap. Automatic weapons are not used in crime. Gangbangers are not committing crime with 30k rifles.
 
2014-01-25 03:37:41 PM  
peace
 
2014-01-25 03:38:53 PM  

SRD: Do you still consider this a scary assault weapon even though its not black?
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Good thing this isnt an assault weapon not scary stock on it. Much higher caliber though.
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.

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This is not a registered assault weapon in my state of CT.
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[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
Nothing scarier than an AK
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All these weapons function the same. Even the pistols. None are more or less dangerous than others. Because none are true assault rifles,


Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?
 
2014-01-25 03:40:48 PM  

justtray: Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.

Exactly 0 guns were confiscated. The SKS thing is nothing more than a gun nut lie. Go read the actual history of it. It was a subclass of SKS with either removable or non mag. They had been already banned by 1991 and nothing that was grandfathered in was ever deemed illegal.


So I looked into it more, and it appears that registration was held open beyond the legally-mandated window and applied only to detachable-mag "Sporter" SKS types.  The late registrations were later declared invalid and those registrants told to surrender or otherwise dispose.  There are stories and rumors about one or another guy who supposedly had a letter saying his detachable-mag SKS was not covered by the law and later demanded to be surrendered or disposed, but nothing concrete I could find.

But there have been other instances of registration lists used to confiscate weapons newly made illegal, so the general point still stands.
 
2014-01-25 03:42:37 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: SRD: Do you still consider this a scary assault weapon even though its not black?
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

Good thing this isnt an assault weapon not scary stock on it. Much higher caliber though.
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

This is not a registered assault weapon in my state of CT.
[img.fark.net image 850x637]

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
Nothing scarier than an AK
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 604x453]

All these weapons function the same. Even the pistols. None are more or less dangerous than others. Because none are true assault rifles,

Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?


Do you need a computer, or a TV, or a cup of coffee?
 
2014-01-25 03:43:11 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?


Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.
 
2014-01-25 03:43:24 PM  

MFAWG: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

And that's the most important thing.

Well, that and making sure as many people as possible have as many guns as they want because America.


Sounds like the shooter was just following the Vice Presidents advice and picked up a shot gun.

Also, the fact that it is just 2 dead plus shooter seems like targeted killings.
 
2014-01-25 03:44:27 PM  

Fark It: StreetlightInTheGhetto: But vast majority of gun owners I know are the go to the woods/drink beer/shoot food + maybe carry when traveling to dicier areas variety.

They sound responsible.


Did I say get blackout drunk and fall out of tree stands and mistake humans for deer and shoot at 'em?  No.  Grab some watered down silliness like Labatt Blue Light and chill out over long periods of time in the woods and hopefully bring home some meat, yes.  Same thing we do when we go fishing (which I do join in - haven't hooked anyone in the eye yet).
 
2014-01-25 03:45:40 PM  
Why does everyone keep saying it happened at the food court? TFA has stated it happened at Zumiez the whole time.

Need more information to come out, but I'm a little surprised this dude made it far into the mall with a shotgun. Of course, there's always that weirdo who wears a trench coat to the mall, but I always had security on my ass when I tried that.

/never brought a shotgun
 
2014-01-25 03:46:14 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes? 30 per minute? 1 every 2 seconds?


Do you need be able to petition the Government to redress *every* grievance? Peaceably assemble with *all* your friends? Freely exercise *your* religion?
 
2014-01-25 03:46:33 PM  

Kensey: So I looked into it more, and it appears that registration was held open beyond the legally-mandated window and applied only to detachable-mag "Sporter" SKS types.  The late registrations were later declared invalid and those registrants told to surrender or otherwise dispose.  There are stories and rumors about one or another guy who supposedly had a letter saying his detachable-mag SKS was not covered by the law and later demanded to be surrendered or disposed, but nothing concrete I could find.

But there have been other instances of registration lists used to confiscate weapons newly made illegal, so the general point still stands.


Dude, just ignore this troll.  Notice how many folks have responded to him in this thread?  That is for very good reason. Just typically best to color him in a color that best resembles puke as this exemplifies what he usually posts and then watch in amusement when he cannot get a response out of anyone.
 
2014-01-25 03:48:23 PM  

HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.


We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.
 
2014-01-25 03:51:16 PM  
Have we identified the model and caliber? All I care about
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:51:27 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: SRD: Do you still consider this a scary assault weapon even though its not black?
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

Good thing this isnt an assault weapon not scary stock on it. Much higher caliber though.
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 850x637]

This is not a registered assault weapon in my state of CT.
[img.fark.net image 850x637]

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x639]
Nothing scarier than an AK
[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 604x453]

All these weapons function the same. Even the pistols. None are more or less dangerous than others. Because none are true assault rifles,

Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?


Rights aren't defines by need. Also every firearm in those pics rifle or pistol save for a couple have the same rate of fire. All semi auto guns have the same rate of fire. What you are saying is all guns should be banned. Semi auto guns are over 100 years old almost all guns are semi auto.
 
2014-01-25 03:53:05 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


True, but that is not an arbitrary and capricious limitation.  Limiting an enumerated right to 'need' is.
 
2014-01-25 03:53:30 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: We have freedom of speech. I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


So, the mere act of possessing a weapon is the same as trying to incite a riot?
 
2014-01-25 03:54:52 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.

We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


You have freedom of speech up to the point where you injure someone with that speech, which 'yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot'does. At which point you are prosecuted for the harm caused.

Similarly, you should most definitely have freedom of ownership of firearms up to the point where you injure someone with that firearm, at which point you should be prosecuted for the harm caused, if not in self defense.

How is that so hard to understand?
 
2014-01-25 03:55:08 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: We have freedom of speech. I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


You can yell, "Fire!" if there's an actual fire. And you can be prosecuted for taking a gun into a courthouse.

There are "Time, Place and Manner Restrictions" placed on just about all of our Rights. Magazine and rate of fire limits and restrictions on how scary a gun can look are neither.
 
2014-01-25 03:55:29 PM  
EXCUSE ME


HAS SOMEONE ALREADY TURNED THIS IN TO A RETARDED GUN THREAD YET BY BABBLING ABOUT AR-15S AND HAVE AR-15 OWNERS TAKEN THE BAIT

IF SO THEN I AM NOT NEEDED HERE
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2014-01-25 03:56:38 PM  

mschwenk: Do you need a computer, or a TV, or a cup of coffee?


I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?  That might be a bit slower?  So that way someone with a nefarious purpose (not any of you, of course, you're all sane and responsible) might kill just a few less people before the cops show up?  Or have to reload a bit more often, providing a chance to stop him (or I guess her)?

I was in college after 9/11.  We had multiple labs delayed and one facility closed entirely because of tightened security.  Yep, the professors definitely had the right to access the materials they needed to do the research they were doing.  But because a dumbass could do real damage, they worked within the new system, had backup labs prepared, etc.

Could a asshole intent on hurting other humans still obtain those materials or their equivalents from other places?  Yeah.  But it would take a lot more effort for something nowhere near as damaging.
 
2014-01-25 03:58:03 PM  

SRD: Rights aren't defines by need. Also every firearm in those pics rifle or pistol save for a couple have the same rate of fire. All semi auto guns have the same rate of fire. What you are saying is all guns should be banned. Semi auto guns are over 100 years old almost all guns are semi auto.


NO I AM NOT.  But I'm glad this is obviously actually a discussion and you don't have your knee jerk reactions already lined up ready to go.
 
2014-01-25 04:01:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


And I bet he'd REALLY hate my own modest proposal (which, unlike some of the NRA's fantasies, is actually backed up with historical context re gun laws in Revolutionary-era America).  (Yes, kids--time to trot out GPD's proposal for a model Modern Well-Regulated Militia Amendment.)

Pretty much most gun policy seems to be centered around two primary assumptions:

1) (anti-gun) The "Well-regulated militia" in the Constitution is the National Guard and nobody has any business having shooty-things unless they are law enforcement.

2) (hyper-pro-gun) GAWD AND THOMAS JEFFERSON INTENDED US TO HAVE AN ARSENAL GODDAMNIT IN CASE THE GOVERNMENT GOES ROGUE AND WE HAS TO WATER THE TREE OF LIBURTY.

Rather more accurate is Option 3 which NOBODY ever mentions EVAR:

3) The US Army did not exist in peacetime and law enforcement as we know it now did not exist at the time (and would not exist until the 1840s), hence the only way to put down a domestic insurrection or even a criminal gang (much less incursions from First Nations and the like)...was, quite literally, calling up a posse (the "unorganised militia" in question).

3a) The part nobody ever, EVER mentions--this was in fact a neutering of an older provision in the Articles of Confederation (the "First Constitution" that had the US organised in a very European Union-esque confederacy of what amounted to thirteen distinct and separate countries with a currency union and a common defense and foreign policy) that not only mandated that every competent adult male be explicitly trained in the use of firearms at regular intervals but explicitly required the state governments to maintain armories and staff to train men to serve in the state guard should they need to be called up in an emergency.

(Yes, the original policy of the US re the "right to keep and bear arms" from roughly 1779 to 1791 or so was pretty much the same as Switzerland's national defense force; every male was considered a member of his state's (canton's, in the case of Switzerland) defense force, was required to undergo two weeks of mandatory weapons training, and was required to keep weapons issued by the state/canton armory up until the youngest male in the household hit 40 and aged out of the national militia.)

3b) Because the concepts of "state police with shooty weapons" (much less "city police") and "permanent standing armed forces" were Not Yet A Thing during Madison's time, and pretty much everyone assumed that short of frank war with France or the UK or Spain that any war or insurrection to be fought would be either in the form of armed gangs or First Nations uprisings...well, the writers pretty much instantly assumed that anything short of Frank National Emergency status would be handled by calling up the "unorganised militia" to start up a posse.  In other words, that whole section should be read as "Since we will need to start up a posse now and again, folks should be allowed to have guns" (as opposed to the Articles of Confederation's "Everyone is a member of their state Army Reserves, and the state must give mandatory military weapons training and maintain a stocked arsenal in case the goddamn Redcoats start marching through from Canada or the Western Confederacy starts getting really pissy about the land we stole").

3c) The "Well regulated militia" bit pretty much is a giveaway (especially in conjunction with the old Articles of Confederation version) that it was assumed by the Founding Fathers that people would be getting regular firearms training--basically the Revolutionary War Era version of CCW and Home Defense courses, provided courtesy of the governor of your state.  The concept was far less "Every goddamn yahoo with a gun" and more "We're actually going to teach the guys how NOT to shoot their own peckers off and how to properly point the gun and fire it at the OTHER guy, and also make sure his damn musket that's been in his family since 1589 isn't going to blow the hell up in his face when he tries to fire it".

"Well regulated" in this case meant "Properly trained"--translated to modern English, "A properly trained state defense force being necessary to public safety, people shall be allowed to keep and bear arms for home defense and state defense (and, we assume, the state will keep on training them how to do this without killing themselves)".

3d) Another data point towards "unregulated militia" meaning "draftable individuals with explicit firearms training" are the Militia Acts of 1792 and particularly the Second Militia Act of 1792 (arguably the first law calling for an explicit draft, and the second act passed after full ratification of the present Constitution).  It would probably be termed an "unfunded mandate for a Swiss-style state defense force" nowadays; the law called for every man between 18 and 45 years old to be required to purchase a gun and appropriate ammunition (down to specifying the type of weapon and ammo that had to be purchased and maintained at all times) and were required to report twice a year for military training.  (Some groups--notably, Congressmen and transportation workers such as ferrymen and stagecoach drivers that were considered essential for national defense--were exempt; otherwise, the law applied for every man in the US able to hold a firearm.)  Basically for a time we went back to the old Articles of Confederation-era standard, if by an act of Congress this time and not a Constitutional amendment.

The Militia Acts of 1792 are notable because it's one of those rare times it's very easy to tell the whole intent of the Founding Fathers towards the Second Amendment--they intended there to be an emergency quickly-musterable state defense force in the event that Shiat Happened and an army couldn't get there in time or was too small of a situation for a full-on army.  (The Acts were passed due to the US Army having its arse handed to it by the Western Confederacy (a rather large NATO-of-the-18th-century group of First Nations) in St. Clair's Defeat.)
tl;dr version: Madison never quite anticipated the invention of police departments or permanent armed forces, and people all assumed the state guards would keep going (they do still exist, both in the form of the National Guard and a few non-National Guard state militias in places like Texas and Alaska--and in the more traditional sense of men having to register for Selective Service)--what unfortunately changed is that pretty much the old mechanism where training was MANDATORY went away roughly in 1795 (when the Second Militia Act expired).

The "failure to define what was meant as a well-regulated militia" bug is an easy enough bugfix, and could be done very, very easily in keeping with the spirit of the Founding Fathers:

a) Define "unorganised militia" explicitly as persons who have received training in the use of weapons for defense after an appropriate training period.

b) Establish a national training program for use of firearms and require persons who wish to own a firearm to receive specific training including safety training and target training and to be certified by a trainer as being capable of safe use of a firearm.  (There is already precedent for this in two separate programs--CCW courses and hunter safety courses; pretty much all states have required mandatory hunter safety courses for anyone younger than about thirty to get a hunting license for gun season, and some have expanded this to bow and crossbow hunting too.  In essence, we're expanding the training programs for CCW and/or hunter safety courses to all firearms use, with an additional psychological screening component and vision check--depression that is controlled would not be disqualifying, whilst severe/profound mental illness would; correctable vision issues would be fine, folks who require prismatic lenses to drive might have more issues :D.  (This is also the current definition for whether or not someone is considered 4-F on mental health and visual/physical issues, as an aside.))  Provisions can even be made for persons who have passed a hunter safety course or a CCW course or similar training course to be grandfathered in.  Persons shall be required to retrain and recertify on a regular basis.

(As an aside--I personally am unaware of any successful legal challenges, or even attempts at legal challenges, to CCW laws and hunter safety courses.  The closest I've seen to legal challenges is where states have been reluctant to issue CCW permits when reciprocity agreements exist.This is true even though pretty much all CCW courses and hunter safety courses cost money, and is still applicable even in states where "right to hunt" laws exist.)

There's even some explicit precedent for a federal gun marksmanship program aimed at civilians.  Up until 1996 (when the program was privatised at the hands of the First GOP-Controlled Congress of No) there was a program operated by the US Army (the Civilian Marksmanship Program) that explicitly gave training in safe use of firearms including mil-spec weapons.  The program is still federally chartered to this day (in a public-private relationship not unlike the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) and is probably the closest spiritual successor to the old state guard training programs from the time of the Founding Fathers.

c) Explicitly note that firearms sales shall only be made to persons who are eligible to be members of the unorganised militia under law (that is, mentally competent persons whom have completed a firearms safety course of some sort) and that documentation that the person has completed a firearms safety and training course must be provided to complete a sale.  Further mandate that states may not prohibit a person who has successfully completed a federally approved firearms safety course from owning a firearm unless a major disqualifying condition occurs such as diagnosis of severe/profound mental illness.

d) In the event that a major disqualifying condition becomes apparent between certification testing periods (such as loss of vision, severe/profound mental illness or intellectual disability, other severe physical handicap that renders use of a firearm unsafe even with assistive technology, domestic violence conviction, or other federally disqualifying condition) then the firearms will be confiscated to be held in trust and permit denied until such time as a hearing can be held whether it is likely the person can be sufficiently trained in the safe use of firearms.  If it is likely that the disqualifying condition is permanent or relapsing to such a point as to render their use or possession of firearms unsafe the weapons will be sold at fair market price to an authorised firearms sales agent and the person shall receive full compensation, or may alternatively sell their weapons to a person who successfully has completed a federally approved firearms safety course.

e) Amend the Constitution appropriately with said bugfix (easiest way to get things through).  Others have noted that theoretically the goal could also be done with a favourable Congress and a mere amendment of the Militia Acts; the reason I propose amending the Constitution itself is to head off any attempt to sue in the Supreme Court by the GOA type nutters (who tend to disagree with even stuff like gun serial number registration and mandatory background checks, much less mandatory weapons training as a condition of owning and using a firearm) and to minimize the risk of a sympathetic Supreme Court accidentally-on-purpose doing away with mandatory firearms training (which is really the whole point of this exercise).  Kind of hard for them to biatch too much if it's explicitly noted in the Constitution, rather than in an act of Congress.

In the case of kids, I'd be tempted to include:

f) Graduated firearms permits for younguns (this actually exists now at least for hunting and there is a youth program for the Civilian Marksmanship Program)--kids not allowed to use a firearm without adult supervision and adult ability to control the weapon until they hit the age where hunter safety courses are available; kid must complete firearms safety course to be allowed to have firearms.  (Again, similar to what is in place now for hunter safety and nobody has yet sued over the whole issue of kids needing hunter safety courses.  Hell, in areas where hunting is common it's not all that unusual to see schools offering said hunter safety courses! :D)

Pretty much the only people who would be unhappy are the Gun Owners of America types who even think background checks for gun sales are condensed evil.  The NRA et al would be grousy at first but would end up happy (as they could make money from firearms training courses including adaptive firearms training for persons with disabilities--the NRA actually tends to run most of the hunter safety courses nationwide and a goodly chunk of the CCW training courses as well).  People wanting to keep weapons out of the hands of the excessively violent and severely mentally ill (and folks who literally can't see to shoot straight) would be happy.  Derpy history geeks like me would be happy (as we'd actually have a well-regulated unorganised militia for the first time since 1796 :D).  If we can make the training cheap or free with subsidy, even folks worried re the poor and/or folks worried re the constitutionality of charging for a Firearms Safety Training Cert will be happy (though I'd argue anyone who can afford a handgun could afford training courses, and certainly so with long-guns and shotguns).
 
2014-01-25 04:02:25 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: mschwenk: Do you need a computer, or a TV, or a cup of coffee?

I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?  That might be a bit slower?


All semi-auto weapons and all double-action revolvers have the same rate of fire: as fast as you can pull the trigger.
 
2014-01-25 04:08:15 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: mschwenk: Do you need a computer, or a TV, or a cup of coffee?

I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?  That might be a bit slower?  So that way someone with a nefarious purpose (not any of you, of course, you're all sane and responsible) might kill just a few less people before the cops show up?  Or have to reload a bit more often, providing a chance to stop him (or I guess her)?

I was in college after 9/11.  We had multiple labs delayed and one facility closed entirely because of tightened security.  Yep, the professors definitely had the right to access the materials they needed to do the research they were doing.  But because a dumbass could do real damage, they worked within the new system, had backup labs prepared, etc.

Could a asshole intent on hurting other humans still obtain those materials or their equivalents from other places?  Yeah.  But it would take a lot more effort for something nowhere near as damaging.


My wife and I defended ourselves with our firearms when three armed men broke into our home.  Feel free to never pick up a firearm.

Fark you if you try to make that decision for me or anyone else.
 
2014-01-25 04:08:48 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm seriously asking.


if you want to know the benefits of a semi-auto?  It is mostly the fact that the rifle is reloaded for you instead of you manually doing it yourself.

That might be a bit slower?

Not always
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 04:08:55 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: SRD: Rights aren't defines by need. Also every firearm in those pics rifle or pistol save for a couple have the same rate of fire. All semi auto guns have the same rate of fire. What you are saying is all guns should be banned. Semi auto guns are over 100 years old almost all guns are semi auto.

NO I AM NOT.  But I'm glad this is obviously actually a discussion and you don't have your knee jerk reactions already lined up ready to go.


I apologize then. I honestly thought that's what you were  getting act. I acting normally don't go for knee jerk reaction.  What I'm trying to say is almost all firearms have the same rate of fire. They are all equal. Only a true assault rifle is full auto. We are already limited in any military weapons we can buy. An ar15 is closer to putting a spoiler on a honda. Might make it look faster but it's still a regular honda. A ar15 shares more in common with a semi auto hunting rifle than a true m4 select fire. Looks are the same function is different.
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2014-01-25 04:09:39 PM  

croesius: 3 ≠ Mass


Right. It's 4, according to the FBI.
 
2014-01-25 04:13:13 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm seriously asking.  What purpose is there, other than "it's fun to shoot at stuff (fair enough)" or "because I want it", or preparing for some attack in which you'll surely be lauded as a hero?  When so much damage can be done by those who pick "shoot other people" as a reason, why can't you accomplish whatever purpose you have with something else?


The same could be applied to alcohol.

One of my neighbors ran over and killed another of my neighbors last week because he was drunk. He was drunk only because it was fun. It didn't get a Fark newsflash. He was driving because he went to a bar to drink alcohol instead of drinking it at home, but nobody panics about public alcohol consumption in establishments you have to drive to.

Alcohol does much, much more damage than firearms in this country. It just doesn't make the news every time a drunk kills someone, or him/herself. It just doesn't make for scary movie or TV plots that Americans will watch endlessly on TV to scare themselves.

It's scary to you because you want to be scared by it.
 
2014-01-25 04:13:22 PM  
another presser
 
2014-01-25 04:18:19 PM  

Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Katie98_KT: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

Columbia mall is close enough, and related enough to the DC area to have high ranking government, foreign government, and various defense/security people (or at least their kids) who would regularly be at the mall on a saturday. There's no way the mall isn't locked down tighter than Ft Knox right now.

What did your response have to do with my comment?

Getting on the internet to find out what's going on is about the only thing she CAN do. Besides drink I guess.

I'm sorry, I missed the post where she said: "OMG, my kid is at that mall.  Can anyone please inform me what the hell is happening."  Instead we got a post that the kid was there and she was freaking a little.  Let's see what else could she done?  How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on?  How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone?  How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)?  How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?  Like I say, any number of things to do, including drinking or taking a Xanax, but posting to Fark hardly qualifies as anything other than attention whoring.


christ what an asshole
 
2014-01-25 04:19:20 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Establish a national training program for use of firearms and require persons who wish to own a firearm to receive specific training including safety training and target training and to be certified by a trainer as being capable of safe use of a firearm.


No gun-rights supporter I know opposes training in principle as a good thing and something a smart gun owner will obtain.  The concern lies in the idea that training requirements could be raised to unrealistic levels, for example requiring gun owners to qualify as Expert in military shooting tests (I actually see anti-gun types trot this kind of thing out a lot, "well if you want a gun, just pass our 'simple little test', haw haw haw!").  There is also the point that self-defense typically happens at arm's length and does not involve actually firing the weapon, meaning you don't even have to be able to hit the broad side of a barn to effectively and safely defend yourself.

It's the same issue with broadening the mental-illness disqualification -- nobody wants crazies allowed to own guns (except some of the crazies), but there's concern that requirements could be written or interpreted to disqualify anyone on common prescription meds like Paxil or who have ever had a diagnosis of depression or PTSD from owning a gun, which would lead to a lot of otherwise-responsible people avoiding beneficial treatment instead of seeking it.  A formal declaration of mental incompetence can be abused but it's generally a reliable indicator that you're a good ways off the farm.
 
2014-01-25 04:20:53 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeadLever: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Do you need a weapon that can fire 154 shots in less than 5 minutes?  30 per minute?  1 every 2 seconds?

Do you need an internet that can transmit your thoughts over the world in milliseconds?

Enumerated rights are not predicated on need.

We have freedom of speech.  I can still be prosecuted by the state for yelling fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause a riot.


The 2nd amendment analogy to this is being prosecuted for murdering someone with their firearm. We have that in place already.
 
2014-01-25 04:22:12 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


If you want to talk about states, then I'm glad that my state (WA) doesn't have a bunch of bed-wetters like you to pass our firearms laws.

I'm sorry you hate The Bill of Rights.


Speaking of the Bill of Rights, by definition you should be OK with mandatory firearms training and yearly followup testing (including mental health and physical health exams as well as showing one can handle a firearm safely) as a condition of firearm ownership. :D

Please see my post above where I note that--both with the predecessor document to the Bill of Rights (the Articles of Confederation and particularly Article VI) and the immediate Militia Acts passed post-ratification of the (Second) Constitution and the Bill of Rights--that the legal intent of the Second Amendment was less "let any yahoo have a gun" and more "We want to make sure people can have a gun in case we have to call up a State Defense Force right now and we also expect the state will actually give training on how to use a military grade weapon and give weapons inspections and ensure the mad won't have access to a musket".  The legal intent was to form a state defense force similarly to Switzerland's mandatory enrollment of all men between 18 and 45 in state canton defense forces (complete with weapons supplied by canton army depots) and was expressed far more explicitly in the Articles of Confederation and the Militia Acts, and a good argument can be made that (short of declaring every person between 18 and 45 a member of the National Guard or state militia of their state and requiring a mandatory two-week vacation for military training for EVERYONE) the Founding Fathers would see things like mandatory weapons safety and training courses and background checks (akin to those you go through with a CCW permit or a Hunter Safety Course) more in line with what they intended.

Also note one major difference between then and now--at the time the Constitution was ratified and for a goodly period after (well past the Civil War in most cases) the modern concept of law enforcement or police didn't exist; "law enforcement" was the sheriff or the state governor rounding up a posse, LITERALLY.  Yes, just like in the Old West; up until very recently in Kentucky, sheriffs STILL had legal power to deputize people in the case of manhunts (a law that is a direct carryover from the days before modern law enforcement).
 
2014-01-25 04:32:25 PM  

Kensey: Great Porn Dragon: Establish a national training program for use of firearms and require persons who wish to own a firearm to receive specific training including safety training and target training and to be certified by a trainer as being capable of safe use of a firearm.

No gun-rights supporter I know opposes training in principle as a good thing and something a smart gun owner will obtain.  The concern lies in the idea that training requirements could be raised to unrealistic levels, for example requiring gun owners to qualify as Expert in military shooting tests (I actually see anti-gun types trot this kind of thing out a lot, "well if you want a gun, just pass our 'simple little test', haw haw haw!").  There is also the point that self-defense typically happens at arm's length and does not involve actually firing the weapon, meaning you don't even have to be able to hit the broad side of a barn to effectively and safely defend yourself.

It's the same issue with broadening the mental-illness disqualification -- nobody wants crazies allowed to own guns (except some of the crazies), but there's concern that requirements could be written or interpreted to disqualify anyone on common prescription meds like Paxil or who have ever had a diagnosis of depression or PTSD from owning a gun, which would lead to a lot of otherwise-responsible people avoiding beneficial treatment instead of seeking it.  A formal declaration of mental incompetence can be abused but it's generally a reliable indicator that you're a good ways off the farm.


Hence in my proposal why I specified training equivalent to a CCW or Hunter Safety Course (in that you know how to handle a gun safely, and know how to properly aim at a target and in general handle firearms in a safe and effective manner for their use; full disclosure, I have multiple relatives and in-laws who've completed CCW courses in KY hence why I can say what is involved).

Also why I specifically noted "severe, untreated mental illness" and explicitly EXCLUDED things like a person with depression who is receiving successful treatment (i.e. in my proposal, no, you would NOT be disqualified just because you'd had a history of depression or were on Paxil; a RECENT history of suicidal ideation enough to get a psychiatrist talking about possible involuntary committment would be another thing).  Put more simply: Mental illness where there's a history of patient compliance with treatment and it seems to be working, they should be OK, a history where a patient has NOT been compliant and has a recent history of mental illness involving threats of harm to self or others definitely should be given a hairier eyeball, if someone has been Baker Acted within the past year or two and has actively refused to take their meds, no way should they have a firearm.

(And again, speaking from folks I've known with mental illnesses.  Obviously, not all mental illnesses are disqualifying and shouldn't be.  This is meant to prevent "No gun for you because you has teh Asperger's" and more of preventing Bad Things from happening in the case of someone who is actively bipolar or schizophrenic, has had to have the police called on them to Baker Act them because they've tried to kill themselves and/or others more than once, and refuses to take the drugs that--whilst they have shiatty side effects--generally keep the voices or manic highs and depressive lows to a dull roar.  And yes, I do agree with you that the laws should be carefully written in this regard.)
 
2014-01-25 04:33:30 PM  
Muta

The shooter probably went there because the mall is a gun free zone. Had everyone been armed everyone would have been safe.

Nobody ever claimed that (aside from asshats on the left who believe dancing on graves scores political points), any more than people claim you are 100% safe once you put on a seat belt.


Both just give you a chance.
 
2014-01-25 04:35:55 PM  
I'm ok with universal background checks in exchange for a repeal of the Hughes amendment and nationwide ccw reciprocity. I've mentioned this several times in these types of threads but I've never had an anti bite, they just respond with further impingements. Their disarmament agenda and monopolization of violence in the hands of the government are plain as day. What good little statists.
 
2014-01-25 04:36:55 PM  
Can we PLEASE talk about banning gay marriage now?
 
2014-01-25 04:36:56 PM  

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition.

In other words, by the time the doughnut munchers got there, the only thing left was for them to strut around and act like they matter.

They're heroes I tell you... gosh darn heroes
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2014-01-25 04:37:19 PM  
I'm not distressed by firearms.  I'm highly distressed by morans or the ill with firearms.

Everyone believes in some form of firearm control.  It's just where the line is drawn that gets so many knickers in knots.
 
2014-01-25 04:55:54 PM  
Gwendolyn

My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.
So your daughter is at a crime scene and your first move is see if you can score some political points and get a green-light on fark?

Love is grand.
 
2014-01-25 04:56:21 PM  
So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 04:59:53 PM  

Doom MD: I'm ok with universal background checks in exchange for a repeal of the Hughes amendment and nationwide ccw reciprocity. I've mentioned this several times in these types of threads but I've never had an anti bite, they just respond with further impingements. Their disarmament agenda and monopolization of violence in the hands of the government are plain as day. What good little statists.


I agree with you. They say they want common sense and want to work with us. But they won't give anything as a trade for any law they want to pass. I agree you suggestion is fine by me as well. They will say they don't want to ban mall guns but keep talking about how great uk and Australia are. People who have banned guns.
 
2014-01-25 05:00:02 PM  

Clutch2013: So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that


Come on man, thats not how you get website hits in a slow news day. Jeez get with it.
 
2014-01-25 05:02:30 PM  
Great Porn Dragon, I like the proposal and in an ideal world, it would be a great compromise and acceptable to all.  The problem is we don't live in an ideal world.  With hundreds of millions of firearms already in circulation, any restriction would take time to have an effect.  In the meantime firearms would continue to be misused therefore triggering the scenario that Kensey suggested of misusing the law to actually restrict sales to everyone.   It is like the CCW permits in certain counties in California where theoretically they are available to the public, but the officials never actually issue them unless you know the Sheriff and other political figures and donate enough to their reelection that they allow you to have a permit while other counties have a more permissive issuing of permits if you meet the requirements.

Put it another way with a RL example, what about literacy requirements for voting so we can be sure the electorate can meaningfully participate.  These were common in the south and although on paper could be justified, were applied to restrict minority participation in voting.  A seemingly reasonable idea was perverted to become an unreasonable method to remove individuals from exercising their right. Given the diverse opinions firearms ownership and use, I could easily see a training, mental health, or other "reasonable" restrictions morph in certain states and jurisdictions to become a high hurdle that no one could meet.

I will give you another example.  In California, the legislature passed a law in 2007 that requires new handguns to incorporate microtagging the serial number, model, and make on any bullets fired from a weapon after the technology became viable (which was found this year) to facilitate law enforcement dealing with crime. While technically feasible, the technology is not economically viable and handgun makers are leaving the market instead of complying with law.  This "reasonable" restriction is driving companies from the market and will reduce consumer choices acting as an effective ban on many types of handguns.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/01/24/smith-wesso n -protests-california-gun-law/

The skepticism that firearms owners and those who want the freedom to purchase firearms have is that "reasonable" restrictions have a nasty habit of expanding so that they may become viewed as unreasonable and utilized to restrict the ability to meaningfully own weapons. That is not to say that no restrictions are acceptable, but the history of using restrictions to remove firearms from private ownership makes even the most benign new law subject to harsh criticism and skepticism. I wish this weren't true, but the opponents of gun ownership have only themselves to blame by overreaching when they have had the opportunity to impose new laws.
 
2014-01-25 05:03:26 PM  
A picture of this thread:

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2014-01-25 05:03:59 PM  

Clutch2013: So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that


I know, right!  And would there be this much concern if it was a nerf gun and everyone was OK?  Sheesh!
 
2014-01-25 05:06:18 PM  

Clutch2013: So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that


Yes, what if we knew what happened and it happened somewhere else? Would everything be the same?

Seems unlikely.
 
2014-01-25 05:06:24 PM  

lordjupiter: Clutch2013: So every sign in the world seems to point to a domestic issue gone horribly wrong, and CNN is still losing their got damn* minds over this.

Question: would there be this much attention if it had happened in their home, for example?

/*yes, I meant it exactly like that

I know, right!  And would there be this much concern if it was a nerf gun and everyone was OK?  Sheesh!


I mean, when you think about it it's not much different from a few friends just duking it out.  Heck, a family dispute over who cleans the dishes.  A sleepover with kids pillowfighting.   A little gas from the dog.  Christmas gifts under the tree.  What's the problem?

/nothing to see here
 
2014-01-25 05:08:38 PM  

OnlyM3: Gwendolyn

My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.So your daughter is at a crime scene and your first move is see if you can score some political points and get a green-light on fark?

Love is grand.


To the statist, only the government can respond to a crisis. We are powerless to their loving and all-powerful hand.
 
2014-01-25 05:08:50 PM  
HeadLever: 
Not always

Yes we can always count on someone to post the ONE guy who you can find video for with his custom rigs and 60 years posting in response to semi auto posts.

Soon the entire US military will be replaced by a 60 year old man with ear muffs and fancy target pistols.

or not

http://youtu.be/K1BraAJD0tk?t=1m

.
 
2014-01-25 05:12:16 PM  

Daedalus27: Great Porn Dragon, I like the proposal and in an ideal world, it would be a great compromise and acceptable to all.  The problem is we don't live in an ideal world.  With hundreds of millions of firearms already in circulation, any restriction would take time to have an effect.  In the meantime firearms would continue to be misused therefore triggering the scenario that Kensey suggested of misusing the law to actually restrict sales to everyone.   It is like the CCW permits in certain counties in California where theoretically they are available to the public, but the officials never actually issue them unless you know the Sheriff and other political figures and donate enough to their reelection that they allow you to have a permit while other counties have a more permissive issuing of permits if you meet the requirements.

Put it another way with a RL example, what about literacy requirements for voting so we can be sure the electorate can meaningfully participate.  These were common in the south and although on paper could be justified, were applied to restrict minority participation in voting.  A seemingly reasonable idea was perverted to become an unreasonable method to remove individuals from exercising their right. Given the diverse opinions firearms ownership and use, I could easily see a training, mental health, or other "reasonable" restrictions morph in certain states and jurisdictions to become a high hurdle that no one could meet.

I will give you another example.  In California, the legislature passed a law in 2007 that requires new handguns to incorporate microtagging the serial number, model, and make on any bullets fired from a weapon after the technology became viable (which was found this year) to facilitate law enforcement dealing with crime. While technically feasible, the technology is not economically viable and handgun makers are leaving the market instead of complying with law.  This "reasonable" restriction is driving companies from the market and will reduce consumer choices acting as an effective ban on many types of handguns.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/01/24/smith-wesso n -protests-california-gun-law/

The skepticism that firearms owners and those who want the freedom to purchase firearms have is that "reasonable" restrictions have a nasty habit of expanding so that they may become viewed as unreasonable and utilized to restrict the ability to meaningfully own weapons. That is not to say that no restrictions are acceptable, but the history of using restrictions to remove firearms from private ownership makes even the most benign new law subject to harsh criticism and skepticism. I wish this weren't true, but the opponents of gun ownership have only themselves to blame by overreaching when they have had the opportunity to impose new laws.


...microtagging all that information on fired bullets?

Um, how does that work exactly, especially when the bullet hits something that deforms or destroys it?

/I'm for reasonable restrictions myself, but that sounds like bullshiat
 
2014-01-25 05:13:46 PM  
Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.
 
2014-01-25 05:14:36 PM  
CNN just ran a graphic summarizing the different university shooting incidents from the past week, including the one at "Perdue"
 
2014-01-25 05:16:26 PM  

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


But why? Virginia, right next door, has seen gun crime  decrease because of increased gun sales:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/va-gun-crime-drops- ag ain-as-firearm-sales-soar/article_a9a3cd36-dc50-5192-9b97-e14258e6168a .html

Meanwhile, Maryland has issues like this, because they are generally hostile toward guns and legal gun owners, first by charging a homeowner for murder when some guy kicks his door in at 2am and he shoots him:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/maryland-man-matthew-pin ke rton-faces-murder-charge-after-shooting-intruder

Then by harassing an out of state driver because he has a legal concealed carry permit:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/17/Florida-Gun-Owner -W ith-No-Gun-Pulled-Over-Searched-And-Humiliated-In-Maryland

Getting rid of legal gun owners' rights is not going to stop incidents like this. So no, taking away our Constitutional rights is not the answer. Remember, criminal love gun control because it makes their job safer.
 
2014-01-25 05:17:16 PM  

Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.


That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.
 
2014-01-25 05:18:29 PM  
dang, I bought some skateboard trucks there back in July. I'm curious to see which employees were killed.
 
2014-01-25 05:24:46 PM  

Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.



My guess would be you imprint the info after the bullet is fired as the shell is being ejected.  I guess they could maybe redesign the firing pin to perhaps place the info as it strikes the bullet.  I don't know for certain and it would seem to be subject to quite a bit of problems in maintaining a working weapon while at the same time making the mark meaningful to law enforcement. Either way although the technology is theoretically possible, it certainly isn't commercially viable to have firearms manufacturers to modify future designs solely for a single market hence they are pulling out as guns fall off the approved list anytime the existing design is modified.
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 05:25:38 PM  

Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.


The firing pin micro imprints on the primer of the shell casing. Not only will the imprinting wear off the firing pin over time it can be filed off. Even replaced in 5 min. This has not stopped them from making such a crazy law. So any new firearms pistols must have this technology installed. If not it's banned from sales in California. Since it's very expensive it will never happen. So they effectively created a ban on all new pistols.
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2014-01-25 05:25:46 PM  

ultraholland: dang, I bought some skateboard trucks there back in July. I'm curious to see which employees were killed.


CNN just gave the names and then went right back into a stereotypical gun control debate.
 
2014-01-25 05:25:51 PM  

Clutch2013: Daedalus27: Sorry Clutch2013, the shell casing.  Putting that on the bullet would likely lead to it being destroyed.

That's only marginally better. I'd still like an explanation as to how it works without losing the tag when the gun's fired.


The information is micro-engraved onto the firing pin, thus being transferred to the primer when fired.  I know we have at least one 'Farker (sorry - don't remember the handle) involved in the industry.

Problem is - it doesn't work very well under the best of circumstances.  The engravings wear down over repeated use, primers aren't the best medium for stamping information onto, and it doesn't work at all if the shooter is using a revolver or has the time/presence of mind to pick up the brass.
 
2014-01-25 05:26:59 PM  

SRD: This ones scary please close your eyes for the firearms sensitive.


Mama likey.

Now, let's have a quick conversation about your choice in revolver, sir/madame.

Too big, clunky and bulky for sensible carry. May I politely recommend the S-W .38 snub with single-action hammer?
 
2014-01-25 05:28:02 PM  

ultraholland: dang, I bought some skateboard trucks there back in July. I'm curious to see which employees were killed.


The latest updates to TFA in link say:

"Two of the victims -  Brianna Benlolo, 21, of College Park, Md. and Tyler Johnson, 25, of Ellicott City, Md. -were skate shop employees, police said "
 
2014-01-25 05:28:17 PM  

lordjupiter: ultrahol