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2014-01-25 02:53:26 PM  

The_Sponge: MFAWG: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

I'm perfectly comfortable around that type of weapon. I got the best training in the world on how to use it. It's how I know high functioning retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.


And who are the "high functioning retards" you are talking about?


If the shoe fits.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:27 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: I simply stated that they are used for applications other than civilian firearms.

If cops are civilians, there is not distinction in the context of 'civilian firearms'.  Or do you prefer a militarization of our LEOs?


In American parlance, cops are not civilians.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:38 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.


Well, to be sure, it looks as if you don't know about the law either, as NY has - it would appear - not banned shotguns with barrels less than 30" long.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:41 PM  

Arthen: A literal reading of the Constitution including accompanying texts concludes that the goal was a militia capable of putting down a standing army should it be instituted.


Not aware of the Heller decision, I see.  You may want to research this decision before you go too much further here.
 
2014-01-25 02:53:50 PM  

Arthen: In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.


[Citation Needed]
 
2014-01-25 02:54:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: NEDM: They didn't *start* owning illegal firearms.  The SKS used to be 100% perfectly legal.  That was changed, and when it was changed, the state knew where to come knocking to make their owners give them up.

They were grandfathered in, meaning they owned illegal firearms. It's not my fault that they decided to keep owning them after they became illegal. Especially when apparently the interpretation of the law was quite open.


So, their owners (who had a perfectly legal gun before the outlawing/grandfathering) should have just shrugged and gave up their weapons.  What the hell stops the state from doing that to any gun?

If the answer to that is "nothing, get over it", explain why the hell the NRA is supposed to be a-okay with gun registration again?
 
2014-01-25 02:54:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already)

Yep, you can be safely ignored since you have no idea what's going on.


This is rich, coming from you.
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 02:54:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


actually the 7 round law was knocked down in court for the age act. The judge ruled it was an arbitrary number that had no basis. Because of this the 10 round will likely be fought in court as well since it is an arbitrary number with no studies showing it would reduced death. And since there is case law it works to gun owners like myself benefit now.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:24 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: cameroncrazy1984: Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?

Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already), and is nothing more than a pompous asshole governor's grandstanding and whoring out the Newtown incident.  "Hey, let's outlaw a firearm that is used in less than 2% of gun crimes in the nation, and pass it in the middle of the night before the unlicensed can even review it!".   That sounds totally like an honest-to-goodness, on-the-level, cares-what-the-public-thinks law, right there.  I hope Cuomo drowns in a shallow puddle.


Hey, the anti-gunners are the ones with the superior poutrage and moral high horse there.

Nobody shows more concern about gun crime than we do. And just because we're don't know about gun names or specifications or regulation or functionality doesn't mean our sincerest emotions aren't just as valid as your knowledge.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:35 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Then why not limit magazine size to two?

/in addition to being an expert on gun laws, cam is now an expert on ballistics

Because nobody outside of, say, a two-gun or speed shooter is that accurate?


Why don't you just go full gun-grabber and ban all semi-auto handguns and only allow revolvers?


Because I rather enjoy shooting a Colt .45 from time to time. Although my grandfather does have a pretty fantastic .38 police revolver from the 20s which is well-balanced and fun to shoot, too.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once?


An enumerated right is not dependent upon frequency of a hypothetical.
 
2014-01-25 02:55:09 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The regime and its media allies want you to think we're the enemy, but we're the thin line of heroes that separates you from tyranny.


If the "regime" (which ever it may be) decides that tyranny seems like a good idea, they'll come to you with reapers and hellfire missiles. Before you and your band of heroes can yell "1776 will commence!" your entire block will go boom.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:29 PM  

Kit Fister: Arthen: In actual practice everyone from noobs to sharpshooters miss 90% of the time from 20 feet. Turns out your target practice is useless after a massive dose of adreanaline.

[Citation Needed]


Seriously, if you're only hitting 1-in-10 at 6 meters you need to hit the range WAY more often.

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once?

An enumerated right is not dependent upon frequency of a hypothetical.


You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:40 PM  

stonelotus: Bane of Broone: stonelotus: Gwendolyn: She safe. Thank god.

does that mean she's home in bed?  because if she's not, I'm pretty sure a random shooter is as close to the bottom of the list of causes of harm one can experience on any given day as you can get.

Wow....

I know, right?  It's really mind-blowing when you think about it.


When you are in the same building the odds become slightly more than random. Carry on though. Callous disregard for life is necessary to for you to shrug and say "No biggie."
 
2014-01-25 02:57:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then.


Nope....because Congress is not interested in passing ridiculous gun laws....like the ones you are suggesting.

Ridiculous? NY State passed a very similar gun law (actually, it went further than the one I suggested by banning certain types of features on certain weapons) and it was recently upheld as Constitutional. Doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.


PARTS of it were upheld as constitutional (and those will be appealed, too).  Ironically, one of the key portions of the Act that was deemed unconstitutional is the one you're pretty staunch about:  high capacity magazines.  The limitation to 7 rounds was identified as unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-25 02:57:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.



What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
 
2014-01-25 02:58:28 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

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your cat also licks it's own asshole.  not the wisest of creatures.  but  good point none the less, we need more cats.
cvcl.mit.edu
 
2014-01-25 02:58:30 PM  

Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.


I recently in an accident and had the bones in my leg replaced with titanium. I'm stuck in bed. My husband and my oldest kid were calling her and her boyfriend...who had their phones off because they were at the movies. As we read they were sending people to the theater for safety I was not as worried as I could have been.
 
2014-01-25 02:58:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, if you're only hitting 1-in-10 at 6 meters you need to hit the range WAY more often


18 feet is far in a stressful, defensive situation, especially if it's dark.

Range shooting and real-life shooing are two entirely different ballgames.

You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices.
 
2014-01-25 02:59:27 PM  

Gwendolyn: I recently in an accident and had the bones in my leg replaced with titaniumadamantium.

 
2014-01-25 02:59:28 PM  

MFAWG: I got the best training in the world on how to use it.



Good for you....it means you are a better shot than I am.

But it doesn't mean that I am irresponsible with firearms.
 
2014-01-25 02:59:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.
 
2014-01-25 03:00:26 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm. 

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices


Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!
 
2014-01-25 03:01:08 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Pfffft. That's like saying that the first amendment protected the internet or the color of the shirt you wear.

I'm fairly that my interpretation of the second amendment doesn't really protect firearms or ammunition despite what SCOTUS moo-moo wearers would like you to think. (they're probably on the NRA's payroll like any gun nut)
 
2014-01-25 03:01:10 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Because they use firearms in other applications than self-defense. I don't know how I could've made that any more clear. It's like asking why the Army uses high-capacity magazines when they aren't vital for self-defense.

Oh, so in "tactical situations" cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  I'm failing to see your logic.  You're saying that cops don't use their guns for self-defense?  Or defense of other?  And why bring the Army into it?  Cops are not soldiers.  They're civilians like you and me.


Cuomo was in such a rush to pass the SAFE Act that it did not contain a provision in it exempting police from higher capacity magazines.  An addendum was put in 7 months later for that.  But, you know, nobody needs that many rounds In their guns!....except cops, and they would NEVER abuse their authority.  Nuh-uh.
 
2014-01-25 03:01:26 PM  

HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.


Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.
 
2014-01-25 03:01:51 PM  

Tymast: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

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your cat also licks it's own asshole.  not the wisest of creatures.  but  good point none the less, we need more cats.
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I try not to think about that when he occasionally takes a sip from my beer.

i22.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-25 03:02:32 PM  

Dimensio: fluffy2097: KIA: Didn't Maryland just make all that shiat illegal?  What a bunch of criminals!

It's almost as if criminals were people who didn't follow the law!

/We should make a law to stop them.

Obviously, current firearm laws are insufficient. The state recently enacted an "assault weapons ban"; that this incident occurred is demonstration that the "ban" should be expanded to all semi-automatic rifles.


Not good enough, we gotta roll pump action shotties for the kids
 
2014-01-25 03:02:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!


Because they're for commercial purposes and they use public airwaves.  Kind of like how people engaged in the commercial sale and manufacture of firearms and ammunition are required to have licenses.  Your nonsense about the FCC has no bearing on this discussion.

Do you need a license to own a radio?
 
2014-01-25 03:03:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


In general terms it is addressed here:

When the Supreme Court affirmed the individual right to arms in  District of Columbia vHeller(2008) it suggested among other things that the Second Amendment protects firearms in "common use".
 
2014-01-25 03:03:56 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


That's because your cat didn't fall for the "OMG, big, scary guns are the debil!!" like them, either.
 
2014-01-25 03:04:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.

As soon as you point to the part that excludes them.

Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.


New York's 7 round limit was found unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-25 03:04:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Hence the need for laws that do? The 2nd Amendment does not specifically prohibit Congress or the States from passing magazine restrictions, as that does not inherently infringe upon the right to bear arms themselves.


Again, see the Heller Decision.
 
2014-01-25 03:05:22 PM  
So glad that they rammed SB281 down our throats here in MD last year. You know, that bill that was supposed to prevent THIS. EXACT. THING.

My money is on the shooter being known to the two victims.
 
SRD [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 03:05:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm.

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices

Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!

Courts have ruled the 7 round limit unconstitutional already it was knocked down. The 10 round will be challenged as well.

 
2014-01-25 03:05:54 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]

That's because your cat didn't fall for the "OMG, big, scary guns are the debil!!" like them, either.



Actually, it's because it's tan.  If my AR was black, my cat would hiss and freak out.
 
2014-01-25 03:06:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws.  Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.  NY's SAFE Act is one of the most retarded acts of gun control ever made (and confiscation is beginning in NYC because of it already)

Yep, you can be safely ignored since you have no idea what's going on.


You're the one spouting incorrect information.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:19 PM  

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

As near as I can tell, California passed a law banning certain types of firearms but under the then-current interpretation of California law, owners of existing ones were allowed to keep them but they were required to be registered.  Later the interpretation changed and the registered owners were ordered to surrender them.

Essentially the same thing has happened in other states and localities over the years.  Gun owners asserting registration can lead to confiscation are not doing so without reason.


Exactly 0 guns were confiscated. The SKS thing is nothing more than a gun nut lie. Go read the actual history of it. It was a subclass of SKS with either removable or non mag. They had been already banned by 1991 and nothing that was grandfathered in was ever deemed illegal.

Sponge knows this. He is a liar. He also thinks the 2nd amendment is a 'very important amendment' but cant answer why. He isn't to be taken seriously on anything on fark. As a final kicker, i recently found out he's a bandwagon seahawks fan, if you needed more reason to dislike him.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:47 PM  
Which clock are we resetting now?

People getting shot in and around DC is nothing farking new.  I'm getting real tired of these goddamn news flashes.

Get over it.
 
2014-01-25 03:07:57 PM  

Kensey: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense.

Pop quiz: how many hits are required to be fired to be certain of taking down a single assailant?  Two assailants?  Three?  Not total shots fired including misses, I'm just talking about rounds that fully penetrate the bad guy.


Is this really how you see your life?
 
2014-01-25 03:08:37 PM  

The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Pets and guns thread!!!

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2014-01-25 03:09:24 PM  

SRD: Courts have ruled the 7 round limit unconstitutional already it was knocked down. The 10 round will be challenged as well


Yep.  Even the old Winchesters made before the turn of the century had more than a 7 round capacity.  Are you seriously going to outlaw a Winchester 1886 in a .45-70 that has a 9 round tube magazine?
 
2014-01-25 03:09:31 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Dr Jack Badofsky: These are the types of people making gun laws. Don't know jack shiat about them, but they know they are going to make a law against them.

Well, to be sure, it looks as if you don't know about the law either, as NY has - it would appear - not banned shotguns with barrels less than 30" long.


Where did I mention anything about barrel length?  You have me mixed up with Cameron.
 
2014-01-25 03:10:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

Can you not still bear a firearm with a 7-round magazine? I don't understand why a 7-round magazine inhibits your ability to carry a firearm. 

Fark It: It's right after the part that allows practicing free speech on modern electronic devices

Dammit then why do I need an FCC license to own and operate a radio station on certain frequencies?!


The 7 round limit was struck from the Act. You can have more than 7 rounds in a magazine in New York. Most handguns have a magazine capacity that is higher than 7 rounds. Actually, I can only think 1 or 2 handguns limited to 7 rounds.
 
2014-01-25 03:10:55 PM  
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2014-01-25 03:10:55 PM  

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: You'll have to point me to the part of the 2nd amendment that allows the bearing of high-capacity magazines.


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?


Things people who dont know what the constitution means say?
 
2014-01-25 03:10:56 PM  

Errk: The_Sponge: Yeesh.....even my cat is more comfortable being around "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines than some of the people in this thread:

[i22.photobucket.com image 768x1024]

Pets and guns thread!!!

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Hahahahaha!
 
2014-01-25 03:14:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: cameroncrazy1984: If you can't hit center mass twice in eight tries then you are better off just throwing the gun at the assailant.

Assuming one assailant of course.  I see you failed to address the point about multiple assailants.

How often does a civilian defend himself against two armed assailants at once? Especially a situation in which he must shoot both? Please provide a real-world example. If two guys are running at you with guns then it doesn't matter if you have 7 rounds or 70, if you're not under cover you're dead anyway.


Larry Correia has a lot to say on this topic, both number of assailants and how many rounds required (and a lot of other things too, but not as pertinent to the point here):

"Because usually -- contrary to the movies -- you have to hit an opponent multiple times in order to make them stop. Because sometimes you may have multiple assailants. We don't have more rounds in the magazine so we can shoot more, we have more rounds in the magazine so we are forced to manipulate our gun  less if we have to shoot more."

"...ten rounds sucks when you take a wound ballistics class like I have and go over case after case after case after case of enraged, drug addled, prison hardened, perpetrators who soaked up five, seven, nine, even fifteen bullets and still walked under their own power to the ambulance. That isn't uncommon at all."

"...Also, you're going to miss. It is going to happen. If you can shoot pretty little groups at the range, those groups are going to expand dramatically under the stress and adrenalin....or the bad guy may end up hiding behind something which your bullets don't penetrate. Nobody has ever survived a gunfight and then said afterwards, 'Darn, I wish I hadn't brought all that extra ammo.' So having more rounds in the gun is a good thing for self-defense use."

As for multiple-assailant attacks, think ganged-up-on minorities like gays.
 
2014-01-25 03:14:21 PM  
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This timely guide answers such questions as:

Do I need to talk to my cat about gun safety?
Do cats really play with guns?
So my cat finds a gun, what's the big deal?
Is it safe to own a gun if I have cats in my house?
I'm responsible with my gun, why should I bother to teach my cat about gun safety?
What age is right to start talking to my cat about gun safety?
What are the risks of not talking to my cat about gun safety?
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2014-01-25 03:14:27 PM  
Why is posing animals with weapons acceptable?
I don't understand. It shows a real lack of respect. Like you think guns are toys or props.
 
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