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2014-01-25 02:12:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: But what actually happened isn't important. It's how we must feel. We need to feel outraged, we need to feel that something must be done, we need to demand immediate action regardless of detractors who want us to get off the emotional high and strike while the iron is hot.

That's what matters.

Awesome strawman, dude.


No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

This is not about petty constitutional hair splitting or arcane statistics or technical functionalities guns. This is about making sure that nobody has the means to make the worst things that you can possibly imagine a person can possibly do into reality.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:11 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I Like Shiny Things: Prey4reign: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit.

1.  Glad to hear your daughter is safe.
2.  I can think about 999 things I'd do if it were my daughter at that mall but posting to Fark about the situation isn't one of them.

+1. That is some serious farking pwnage.

What else could she do other than blowing up her daughter's cell phone?  Not like they'd let you anywhere near the scene.


Facebook and twitter would be my first choice. And a selfie on instagram that conveys my grief.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:41 PM

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.


universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:21 PM

Click Click D'oh: Dimensio: Difficulty: the shooter apparently used a shotgun.

Solution: ban handguns.

I think this situation clearly calls for strengthening laws regarding Trusts used to poses Class III NFA items.


Uh, don't even get me started on that bullsh*t.  I just had a Form 1 kicked back.  Filled out exactly like all the other Form 1s I've ever submitted.  For a SBS, no less.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:59 PM

Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?


1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?
 
2014-01-25 02:14:15 PM

super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?


Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.
 
2014-01-25 02:15:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.


Why?
 
2014-01-25 02:15:30 PM

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: I'm kind of impressed that he was able to shoot himself in the head with his own shotgun, myself.

Why?


Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?
 
2014-01-25 02:16:05 PM
Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.
 
2014-01-25 02:16:17 PM

Gwendolyn: Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.

The Columbia Mall is a rather upscale mall.  It's the mall we go to when we want to pay $100 for a t-shirt.  Unless it's a gang  shopping for J. Crew and Ann Taylor, I doubt it.


You would be surprised.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:09 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Facebook and twitter would be my first choice. And a selfie on instagram that conveys my grief.


Christ.  She made two posts venting her freak out on a site she's been on for over a decade.  Under a pseudonym.  Give it the f--k up.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason),


I would be willing to consider a compromise.  What do gun owners get in return for what is de factor registration?

permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks

But owning a handgun is a right, why do we need permission to exercise a right?

, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag)

"High capacity" is anything over 7 rounds?  Since when?  Factory magazines for most new pistols hold 13-19 rounds.

and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.

We already have an NFA tax for suppressors, SBRs, and automatic weapons.  And define "assault weapon," the definition seems to keep moving depending on the whims of gun control advocates, and varies from state-to-state.

I would support including semi-automatic rifles on the NFA, and charge the $5 "AOW" tax stamp for them (thus, registering them) in exchange for a compromise of repealing the Hughes Amendment and removing SBRs from the NFA entirely.
 
2014-01-25 02:18:43 PM

Dimensio: vpb: Why is he dead?  I thought having a gun made you safe, and he is the only one who had a gun.

He should have been the safest guy in the mall?

Of greater concern is that Maryland's assault weapons ban did not prevent this crime.


Or Maryland's murder laws.
 
2014-01-25 02:19:43 PM

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: No, it's not a strawman.

Don't you just feel the burning urge to remind people in every gun thread that this could have been a classroom full of children? Don't you think about all the ways that you can massacre innocents in intricate scenarios with all the weapons that the government is too lazy to ban or restrict from you?

Nope.

Like I said. Strawman.


Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.
 
2014-01-25 02:20:17 PM

Fark It: I would be willing to consider a compromise.  What do gun owners get in return for what is de factor registration?


A gun. What's wrong with registration? Are you worried that the government is going to reposses your car?

Fark It: But owning a handgun is a right, why do we need permission to exercise a right?


The 2nd Amendment does not explicitly forbid permits. Deal with it. You need a license to operate a radio station, this does not restrict your freedom of speech, does it?
 
2014-01-25 02:20:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?


cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.


Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?
 
2014-01-25 02:20:29 PM

COMALite J: impaler: Gwendolyn: My kid is on a date at the AMC theater there right now. Sooo I'm freaking out quite a bit getting a kick in the gut.

FTFY!

Good luck.

Probably a more accurate rendition of how Gwendolyn felt when she heard the news before knowing if her daughter was safe.


Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves?

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Let 'em shiat themselves. We're gonna discuss it anyway, and hope to actually implement some sensible gun control (such as what the pre-Cincinnati-Revolt-of-1977 NRA actually supported). It's past time we stopped cowering and kowtowing to them.


What, exactly, constitutes "sensible gun control?"
 
2014-01-25 02:20:56 PM

super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.


My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.
 
2014-01-25 02:21:31 PM

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?


Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.
 
2014-01-25 02:22:12 PM

Harv72b: LessO2: Columbia, IIRC, is the definition of yuppie suburbs.

Columbia used to be.  These days, there are places within the area where you don't want to go at night.  Or during the day, really.

/Wouldn't want to go to Columbia mall with or without the threat of being shot.
//Would hesitate to go there if the alternative was getting shot.
///Malls suck.



You're obviously easily frightened....of everything. Perhaps an adult nanny is in order.


/lives just outside Columbia.
 
2014-01-25 02:22:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason),


I am not opposed to such a measure, but I question enforcement ability.


permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks,

How, exactly, would a permitting process occur?


bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag)

What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?


and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.


What justifies such an imposition?
 
2014-01-25 02:24:08 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Prey4reign: How about calling the police or 911 asking what was going on? How's about calling her daughter on the cell phone? How's about staying glued to the local radio broadcast (they must have had non-stop coverage of this event)? How's about hopping in the car and get as close to the mall as possible to maybe ask a cop what's happening and what's the best thing to do to find out how your daughter is doing?

1) Maybe she did, but what help would that be?  I guess she could leave her number with the operator in case her daughter showed up in the hospital?
2) She probably was.  Like every other parent, kid, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. who knew someone there.  And if her daughter was locked down in a store with other people, I'm pretty goddamn sure everyone would want their phones on silent lest there actually be a shooter still active.
3) She probably was.  You can do both at the same time.
4) You're f--king kidding, right?


The Internet's seem to be About 20 minutes ahead of local news usually. I'm with you she did fine. Unless the news started announces an innocent bystander being shot the odds of some kid going to a movie getting capped are about nil anyhow
 
2014-01-25 02:24:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?



It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.
 
2014-01-25 02:24:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: A gun. What's wrong with registration?


It has repeatedly been demonstrated to lead to confiscation.  Why should we trust you guys?  And what do cars have to do with this?

cameroncrazy1984: The 2nd Amendment does not explicitly forbid permits. Deal with it.


Right, but most ardent gun control advocates want to use "permits" the same way that the South used poll taxes and tests during Jim Crow.

You need a license to operate a radio station, this does not restrict your freedom of speech, does it?

You need a license to manufacture and sell guns commercially, to the public.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:03 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.



Sorry....that's unreasonable....try again.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Because that's a pretty difficult thing to do?

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

Where have you heard that it's illegal to have a barrel shorter than 30"?

Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


Per the NFA, shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18", if the barrel is shorter than 18" you have to get a special background check and tax stamp.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:34 PM

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Hey. You might be afraid to confront these gun nuts, but I'm not.

When I see people with large firearms, I see potential massacres in the making. No, I don't buy the whole law abiding citizen bullshiat either. Whenever I have a thought about high capacity containers or high powered rifles I think about how easy it would be for me to turn a crowd of people into hamburger or act out that scene from Schindler's list if I wanted to.

That is why there is no place for assault rifles in the civilized world.

My favorite thing is that you just continue to build and build and build this strawman hoping to find someone who agrees with it so that you can say "Ha! Got you!"

Good luck with that.


Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.
 
2014-01-25 02:26:41 PM

Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?


Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?


As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.
 
2014-01-25 02:27:18 PM

Pichu0102: Can we talk about handgun control yet, or will that cause the NRA to completely shiat themselves? At the very least, figure out some way to reduce the new guns:destroyed or unusable ratio so that we have less new guns being made than than those that are destroyed due to various reasons. Starve supply a bit, and raise the prices on them. Cheap available guns are a blight on poor neighborhoods.


Poor people should be banned from owning firearms. Only landed gentry can be trusted. Besides, this helps keeps guns away from the blacks and Hispanics. That's what you really want, right?
 
2014-01-25 02:27:32 PM

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.


Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

super_grass: Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.


Keep going, man. I'm sure it's amusing for somebody.
 
2014-01-25 02:28:13 PM

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: reasonable

Define reasonable.

universal background checks (something the NRA will never support, for some reason), permits for all handguns with requisite renewal checks, bans on high-capacity magazines (limited to between 7 and 10 rounds per mag) and a vice tax for full-auto and/or assault weapons.


Sorry....that's unreasonable....try again.


It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.
 
2014-01-25 02:28:47 PM

cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense


Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?
 
2014-01-25 02:29:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.


You do know the legal length for shotgun barrels is 18" right?
 
2014-01-25 02:29:44 PM

zamboni: We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.


You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the people shot dead.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:02 PM

Fark It: Police said one of the victims was found near a gun and ammunition. That person was not identified. Police said the 911 call came in around 11:15 a.m. The police department is advising people to avoid the area.

Gang-related?  Columbia is relatively close to Baltimore.


NRA said EVERYONE should have guns... including the thugs.,
 
2014-01-25 02:30:15 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.



I'm not felon and it's not a fetish.  My Glock is meant to have 15 round magazines....not the roody-poo 7-10 round mags you suggested.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:29 PM

Click Click D'oh: cameroncrazy1984: Or, well, it should be if it's a legal shotgun with a 30" barrel.

You do know the legal length for shotgun barrels is 18" right?


Not being knowledgeable about guns and gun laws has never stopped cam from having an opinion on them.
 
2014-01-25 02:30:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: What justifies such a limitation, and how would existing magazines in excess of such a capacity be addressed? How would police departments be convinced to replace all of their magazines?

Because the 2nd amendment doesn't necessarily forbid high-capacity magazine restrictions, and restrictions of this type can often limit the damage that a mass shooter can do in a short amount of time. High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense. Police departments would be convinced to replace theirs if it is illegal for them to own them.


What data shows that a mass shooter's damage is limited by a magazine capacity restriction? How would owners of such magazines be compensated for the loss of their property?

Dimensio: What justifies such an imposition?

As with any luxury or vice item, vice taxes would provide for a source of revenue and limit the number of such items in the marketplace, thus allowing for fewer assault and full-automatic weapons in public hands.


Fully automatic firearms are already regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Transfer of such firearms is subject to a $200 tax already.

What justifies imposing a similar tax on semi-automatic firearms solely due to the presence of a pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a collapsing stock or a barrel shroud when an identically functional firearm without those features would not be taxed in that way?
 
2014-01-25 02:31:15 PM

Wyalt Derp: zamboni: We have two people shot in a country of... approaching 320 million... and it's time to wet our pants in fear. Unreal.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the people shot dead.


If you were one of the people shot dead you wouldn't be saying anything....
 
2014-01-25 02:31:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: What's wrong with registration?


It can lead to confiscation.....just ask owners of SKS sporter rifles who had them taken away in California.

Specifically due to the fact that they were registered? Or due to the fact that these people registered illegal weapons?

super_grass: Why do you keep saying that it's a strawman?

Listen, I'm with you, okay? I think about gun crime like Rick Santorum thinks about gay sex and I am absolutely appalled by it. That's why I want tough restrictions and registration requirements and openly denounce anyone who defend their shall we say eccentric way of live as sissies or sexually maladjusted.

Keep going, man. I'm sure it's amusing for somebody.


I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.
 
2014-01-25 02:31:43 PM
Another responsible gun owner I am sure...

'Murica, Fark Ya
 
2014-01-25 02:31:59 PM
Shot himself to death with a shotgun? At the food court? I'll bet that cut down the business there for awhile.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:20 PM

Confabulat: AngryDragon: Confabulat: Tadpole: This was likely a murder suicide of a bad love triangle. Jilted lover seeks revenge. This belongs on Dateline not Newsflash.

Pretty sad state of affairs when  a guy shooting up a mall isn't considered newsworthy to Americans anymore.

3 dead including the shooter isn't "shooting up a mall".  It's probably a domestic dispute or a robbery gone wrong.  Given the use of a farking shotgun, I'm guessing domestic.

It still TOOK PLACE IN A MALL. Some of you seem to think thats normal.


Would you feel better if it was at a library? I didn't know malls were some sacrosanct location.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:54 PM

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?


Cops use firearms for a wide variety of things, including house clearance and other tactical applications. 

The_Sponge: cameroncrazy1984: It's only unreasonable if you have a fetish for high-capacity magazines and buying firearms while being a felon.


I'm not felon and it's not a fetish.  My Glock is meant to have 15 round magazines....not the roody-poo 7-10 round mags you suggested.


Sounds like Glock will have to manufacture a new magazine, then. That's like saying seat belt laws are stupid because cars prior to seat belt laws were manufactured without them.
 
2014-01-25 02:32:55 PM
Rivetman1.0:  . . . I prefer a two handed grip with both eyes open, measured breathing and aiming for center mass.
Squeeze the trigger slowly smoothly and let it be a surprise when the weapon discharges.


FTFY. you can be smooth AND fast with practice.
 
2014-01-25 02:33:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.


You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.
 
2014-01-25 02:33:33 PM

super_grass: I'm being completely serious.

Guns are dirty, icky things that I don't want to touch and can't imagine any other well-adjusted adults indulging either.

Listen, I'm with you 100%. Tax the bastards and make them register their degenerate lifestyle with the government like sex offenders. Just think about the evil things they could be doing and really let them have it before they can commit the act.

It always makes me sleep easier at night.


I can't believe you are still trying this. Give it a rest, man, nobody's going to come in here and fulfil your liberal fantasy of everyone being afraid of guns.
 
2014-01-25 02:34:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?

Cops use firearms for a wide variety of things, including house clearance and other tactical applications.



You said "high capacity" magazines are not vital for self-defense.  I did not ask you why cops used firearms, I asked you why they use "high capacity magazines" when they aren't vital for self-defense.
 
2014-01-25 02:34:55 PM

Gecko Gingrich: cameroncrazy1984: Well, at least in NY it is. I am actually not sure about Maryland. I assumed that was a common regulation.

You have a cite for that? Perusing the SAFE Act I can find no such provision, nor in the rest of NY's laws. In fact, everything I can find indicates that NY follows the Federal guidelines of nothing shorter than 18" barrel/26" total length.


Maybe the 26" total length is what I was thinking. I was looking at Gander Mountain for hunting shotguns a couple months ago (I have some friends that are into duck hunting and we were just talking about it)

Mea culpa.
 
2014-01-25 02:35:11 PM

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: High-capacity magazines are neither vital for hunting nor self-defense

Then what do cops use them for, if not self-defense?


You know they weren't always standard issue, and you know why they are now, right?

Stupid circular argument is circular and stupid.
 
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