2004-01-28 04:30:01 PM MilkIt
How come i never get any of these emails?!

I warned all my friends that I dont like being on email lists.
If I receive more than 2 blast messages from anybody, I set up a message rule to instantly delete all email from that person.

I put the kabosh on that spreading viruses shiat right then and there.

User's are to blame for viruses like this, not windows...the file does not automatically run itself upon being downloaded, you still have to open the attachment and run the exe. Which just shows how many people are still uneducated about email and computers this world has. If i cared enough to learn how to get access to mac's version of services(read: programs running in the background) i'm sure something very similar could be written for them. The problem is, unless your address book is filled with mac user's the virus will hit all of your friends with pc's and stop there. Now if we could just get a hold of an email list from the last macworld....

/evily(sp) rubs hands together

Bukharin

"I warned all my friends that I dont like being on email lists."

No kidding! I have told people over and over NOT to just forward shiat that's been forwarded dozens of times. Jeez, how hard is it to CCP what you want to forward, drop it into a new message, and send?

Virii is not the plural for virus

Reminds me of when I worked in the procurement department at a zoo.

Some guy sent a purchase order through:

Please supply 2 hippopotamuses
Please supply 2 hippopotomi
Please supply 1 hippopotamus. Actually make that 2.

Everyone's got their own idea about how the GUI should work and hardly any of them work in the same way

or well, for that matter. one thing the linux community will never have is the $$$ to spend on r&d. other geeks jerking off with gimp making hideous, unusable interfaces just ain't the same.

philez that's not entirely true... there have been cases where viruses have taken advantage of vunerabilities in Outlook that allow them to automatically run as soon as the message is opened (or previewed in the stupid "preview pane")

2004-01-28 04:38:19 PM CB

Everyone seems to listen,
except my mom.

WTF!!! She's been a computer geek from back in the days of punchcards.
She should know how this stuff works.
The saving grace is that I dont think she has an email list in an address book.,
I think she types all the addresses manually each time.

The reason why nobody writes viruses for Linux is because it's impossible to get anything to run under Linux.

well, it is very hard to get a program written for Windows to port to Linux. It is pretty trivial to get a good working program up and going on linux itself (as this is part of my job). Porting from other OS's is also very easy.


and contrary to popular perception, there are actually more viruses for linux than any other OS, on a per-install basis. That does mean that overal, there are fewer, and Linux has been hardened to these attacks far faster and in a better manner.

(or previewed in the stupid "preview pane")

outlook.exe /nopreview

Macs are horrid. Good luck finding variety in 3rd party programs, or playing any games, or getting a machine that doesn't look like a goddamn desklamp for less than $2000. Also, I find LCD monitors to suck. I'll stick with my 50 pound monster and the excellent picture quality, thank you very much.

As for Linux, I think a scenario from my most recent LAN party sums it up. As we're all hooking our machines together and trying to get everyone to recognize the network:

Friend of mine: Do you know how much easier this would probably be if we were all running linux?
Me: Yeah, but that'd be kind of pointless, because we'd have no games.
Everyone: *horrible geek laughter*

Get me a linux program that emulates the windows environment for gaming, without bugs and without being an utter resource hog, and I'll be all over Linux. Till then, I'm sticking with windows.

Also, never mention BT on fark, or anywhere, again. You'll ruin it.

/total virus infection count in 8+ years of hardcore windows use: 0.

Bukharin
HeHe, same thing here. If your Mom uses Outlook or Outlook Express, I'll bet it's set up to automatically put anyone she replies to into the address book.

moZer yes, I always shut mine off too, but not everyone does. Remember, a lot of people are afraid to do ANYTHING on their computers other than click on the one shortcut that someone told them to run to check their mail.

I use a Mac and a PC at work. The PC runs circles around the Mac in terms of ease of use, logical navigation, speed, etc. Macs display pretty pictures. That is all they do better, and not by much.

Macs are overblown. They are huge paperweights.

This is why I don't use pop for mail, and have no client side software for mail. Pine (or mutt) forever. Scp if I have an attachment I really need locally.

Why does everyone think their ignorant opinion should be forced upon others? Macs Crash, Windows Crashes, *nix machines crash. All allow me to read fark, what else do you need?

Oh yeah, this virus is crazy, I'm fearful of anything attached to my school's network. And a vote for imc130d! gator needs to go.

GIS for "Mydoom"


Dosn't look like Microsoft will be crumbling any time soon.

mjgl

Dual G5 power 64 bit processing... I laugh in the face of Pentiums

Me too, cause that's what Athlon 64's are made for. A whole lot cheaper, too. Oh, and 2 mouse buttons as well.

2004-01-28 04:43:45 PM CB

I tought of that... except Ive noticed that some email addys are mistyped from time to time.
So I dont think she has that outlook auto-type thing going on...

Crazy old coot. but I lover her.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Where's the "Hero" tag on this?

Where's the "Hero" tag on this?

*snicker*

mjgl: Dual G5 power 64 bit processing... I laugh in the face of Pentiums

Spacemarinekilla: Me too, cause that's what Athlon 64's are made for. A whole lot cheaper, too. Oh, and 2 mouse buttons as well.

And hey, to get the latest OS features on your Athlon, all you have to do is wait until Apple announces a new OS feature you slobber over, wait 3 or 4 months, and someone will come out with a public domain program to poorly imitate that Mac feature! It will even be titled the same, except with the prefix "Win-" pasted on to it.

Trivia: Windows 1.0 wasn't an operating system, it was a suite of just a few applications that operated graphically, inspired by the release of the Macintosh and its graphic OS two years earlier.

Get me a linux program that emulates the windows environment for gaming, without bugs and without being an utter resource hog, and I'll be all over Linux. Till then, I'm sticking with windows.



it's coming, just need some more patience.

CodeWeavers

Trivia: Windows 1.0 wasn't an operating system, it was a suite of just a few applications that operated graphically, inspired by the release of the Macintosh and its graphic OS two years earlier.


uhm, are you under the impression that you are telling us anything we didn't already know ?


If I want the latest features on my Athlon, I'll download it for free for my linux machine and wait for my Mac friends to rave about it 4 months from now, thanks.

Something you'll never hear a Mac User say

"Gimmie a second, I got to reboot..."

Spacemarinekilla

First of all, G5s have a much higher bus speed and cache... excellent for synths and sampling.

Also, try to find me a good sequencer optimized for the athlon 64. Your athlon 64 right now is pretty much pointless as there are no x86 applications optimized for it (last time I checked). Not so for the mac.

ooooo 64 bits of power, now if only I could use it. (also, is the athlon 64 a dual chip setup?)

Not to mention, what is this fiction about 1 button macs. You can buy a 5 button mouse for your mac if you want to.

I also have yet to have one single problem with my mac (it's been runing 24/7 for weeks). No memory problems or anything. I love it..

Also, please people, most of you guys who think PCs are better have never really used a mac (hopefully I'm not making a fool of myself with that statement).

2 months ago, I also hated and bashed macs. However, I wanted to upgrade Logic to version 6 and since apple bought it, it's only for mac. So I got a mac thinking I would just use it for audio and use my PC for the rest. I fell for mac os X and everything that just works right. It's definatly better than a PC w/ windows... nothing that can really be explained. Maybe it's just personal preference... but everything is smooth and easy to do.

*sigh*

NonPracticingAthiest: Are you trolling like a mofo, or just dumber than a sack of rocks? I honestly can't tell.

How exactly can Apple "embrace 64-bit open source platforms" (gee, use buzzwords much?) any more than it already does? Let's see... it's based on FreeBSD, so it uses the BSD license which means all core OS updates are freely given back to the community; the G5 CPUS Apple is shipping are 64-bit already (even if the OS can't take advantage of that fact yet).

As for OS X not running on a "standard platform," well... first of all, a "platform" is an OS plus a CPU, which makes these additional buzzwords of yours meaningless. But that aside, what's your idea of "standard?" I work with SPARCs, Power5's, MIPS, and Intel machines here, and have PPC and Intel machines at home; please tell me which ones are the standard. Not that it matters, because having OS X run on PPCs only is a hell of a smart financial decision for Apple.

As for GNOME and KDE, and Linux graphical usability in general... they're nice, I like GNOME and use it as my Linux machine's main DE. But they're worlds behind even Microsoft in UI friendliness, never mind Apple. Ask any usability expert (and I went to school with a lot of bright ones) and you'll see.

Oh, and "MAC" is not an acronym, nor is it a plural noun. If you're going to berate something, try to find out a little about it first.

2004-01-28 04:30:01 PM MilkIt


How come i never get any of these emails?!

'cause you don't have any friends (or you don't have any gullible friends)

I just told someone here that the reason she was getting so many undeliverable messages for email she didn't send was because she was popular.

What I didn't tell her was that the people she's popular with are idiots who click on every attachment that comes their way and who obviously don't know how to use their anti-virus software.

Internet licenses...

GET /off_my_intarrweb HTTP/1.0

Anagrammer: Trivia: Windows 1.0 wasn't an operating system, it was a suite of just a few applications that operated graphically, inspired by the release of the Macintosh and its graphic OS two years earlier.

dbaggins: uhm, are you under the impression that you are telling us anything we didn't already know ?

It's something that many people don't know, and others may. That's why it has that word "Trivia" at the beginning.

the mac G5 can render Pixar movies in near real time (maybe 2-5 FPS). I saw it demoed for finding nemo. Can a PC / Athlon 64 setup do that?

The VPU on the G5 is just superior... that's where it shines.

Too bad those cycles will never see anything too intensive, mjgl. The architecture may be superior, but it often goes unused.

How many render farms have you seen that run Macs, honestly? Very, very few, if at all, I'd imagine.

They're inefficient, too specific, and too constraining. As much as I hate it, I must admit that Win32 is more diverse than OS X.

/me licks his Debian install

Oh, and use Opera or Firebird.
\m/

Something you'll never hear a Mac User say

"Gimmie a second, I got to reboot..."


This is only recently true. I my old company the MAC guy ssemed to have built-in coffee breaks while that little bomb was on their screen. Now it is true that we are code developers, and hance atypical, but in that office, the Apple machines were the most freqent crashers.

OS X is a mjor improvement.

Rhadamanthus

Maybe if you read my posts, you would see that I do use the power.

Music production / recording is really intensive. With the power of the G5 I can get really low latency while still using a crap load of synths (which I do).

So, yes, I do use the power. I've done stuff with my mac that would have killed any PC with a pentium or athlon setup (even their joke of a 64 bit processor).

Honestly, the Athlon 64 for a home setup is just a joke, just because no apps use it. The logic that makes it backwards compatible just slows the CPU down.

Been on a Mac for five years, no viruses, 4 minor Photoshop crashes, don't have to look at ugly PC. I would encourage those of you who hate Macs to stay with whatever you are currently using, we dont need a bunch of gaming dorks and accountants polluting the Mac genepool.

We Mac users are fortunate to be a small part of the computer world. Most of our 1/3 share of software is programs people actually use and not miles of useless shiat.

There are millions more VHS players and titles than BETA, still... BETA is superior in bouth sound and vision. There are millions more CD players and titles than TTs and vinyl (new releases)... vinyl is still superior in sound. There are millions more PCs and programs than Mac... Mac is still superior overall.

I'm going back to reading e-mail and working worry free on my Mac. Please, by all means PC'ers/Mac haters, do not switch to Mac, we'll all be better off.

the latest nVidia card and Athlon chip push rendernig faster, in most cases that we use it.

G5 system is optimized for ray tracing, while nVidia is a polygon monster.

Rhadamanthus

Actually, I think Pixar is starting to move to G5s (I could be wrong, but I remember an interview with the CEO).

Also, the worlds 3rd fastest supercomputer is a farm of G5s... not to mention it was FAR more cost efficient.

2004-01-28 05:13:44 PM fink
we dont need a bunch of gaming dorks and accountants polluting the Mac genepool.

Well, we dont need a bunch of suits who dont play games in our pool.
I think this system works for the best of both worlds.

dbaggins
the latest nVidia card and Athlon chip push rendernig faster, in most cases that we use it.

G5 system is optimized for ray tracing, while nVidia is a polygon monster.

Just wondering how you get that. I mean, you could be right, but why would that be true (I'm having doubts).

You can get nvidia's latest card for mac. But how would the G5 be inferior to Athlon's for polygons?

The G5 has higher bus speed, more cache, and a more efficient pipeline. What makes the athlon better for polygons?

I used to be a Mac hater, but I am quite interested in trying one of the newer ones with OSX on it. I've played around a little on one in a store, but of course you don't really get to do much there. Having used UNIX a lot at my previous job, I like the idea of being able to get a console.

the nVidia driver for the Athlon uses the Athlon 3DNow! pipeline.

we are also using dual and quad athlon machines and hyperthreading.

Actually Bukharin, I think you'll find most diehard Mac users to be involved in the arts and entertainment world, not suits. As far as playing games in your pool, I can't remeber the last time I heard a Mac user say " I hate Macs, I think I'll try a PC". Look at this thread, it's full of Mac converts and people wondering if they should switch to Mac, not the other way around.

So, don't worry about Mac users in your pool Bukharin, we swim in clear waters... not piss.

I can't remeber the last time I heard a Mac user say " I hate Macs, I think I'll try a PC".

I often hear, "shiat, I cant play that... I use a mac."

Top 500 Supercomputers:

Fastest System:
Where: Earth Simulator Center, Japan/2002
System: Earth-Simulator / 5120 NEC
Maximum LINPACK performance achieved: 35.86 teraflops
Theoretical Peak Performance: 40.96 teraflops

First Appearance of a Mac-based system:
Rank: 3
Where: Virginia Tech, United States/2003
System: OS X, 1100 Dual 2.0 GHz Apple G5/Mellanox Infiniband 4X/Cisco GigE / 2200, Self-made
Maximum LINPACK performance achieved: 10.28 teraflops
Theoretical Peak Performance: 17.6 teraflops

First Appearance of a Windows-based system:
Rank: 68
Where: Cornell Theory Center, United States/2003
System: PowerEdge 2650 Cluster P4 Xeon 2.4 GHz/MSWindows - GigE / 640, Dell
Maximum LINPACK performance achieved: 1.5 teraflops
Theoretical Peak Performance: 3.07 teraflops

I'm not giving up 95% of my spare-time entertainment no matter how secure or user-friendly it's supposed to be.

I used Macs a few years ago, and can't stand the farking things. The worst part is that MS seems bent on making PCs act more like Macs with too much automation and not enough customizability even if you're a tech geek.

dbaggins

So,how does that make a difference? I'm sure the nvidia driver for Mac is optimized for the G5 instruction set. I'm goin to admit I'm not an expert in this area (I focus on audio) so please show me why it is true.

Pardon my grammar. First sentence should be two sentences, and read "I play PC games whenever I have a free moment. I'm not giving up 95% of my spare-time entertainment no matter how "secure" or "user-friendly" Macs claim to be."

/so much turn-based strategy, so few CPU cycles in my brain

G5 Velocity Engine has contention with cache. 3DNow manages cache fetch better.

SimuLord

I love TBS, I cant stand all the RTS games thay are pumping out right now.
What do you play?