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(Omaha World Herald)   You'd think a firearms instructor and former police officer would know better than to accidentally shoot himself in the leg while parked outside of a school, waiting for his son   (omaha.com) divider line 136
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2014-01-25 01:52:24 PM  
guns dont kill people
stupid people with guns kill people

I assume that he was arrested and charged, right?
There is no need to read the article.

I KNOW that we have zero tolerance for guns in school zones. RIGHT?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 01:55:01 PM  

namatad: guns dont kill people
stupid people with guns kill people

I assume that he was arrested and charged, right?
There is no need to read the article.

I KNOW that we have zero tolerance for guns in school zones. RIGHT?


He was just standing his ground.  And I thought we needed as many guns as possible in schools, to make them safe.


Won't someone think of arming the children?
 
2014-01-25 02:13:59 PM  
You would be wrong. Even the most trained professional will eventually have moments of stupid.
 
2014-01-25 02:15:15 PM  
Maybe he was filming himself as a "not like this" example for his gun safety classes.
 
2014-01-25 02:20:02 PM  
En casa de herrero, cuchillo de palo.

In the blacksmith's house, wooden knives.
 
2014-01-25 02:40:06 PM  
Pobody's nerfect.
 
2014-01-25 04:12:34 PM  
a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2014-01-25 04:14:14 PM  
Familiarity bleeds contempt.
 
2014-01-25 04:14:21 PM  
He just farking shot himself?
 
2014-01-25 04:14:48 PM  
No, I wouldn't.  This is exactly the kind of thing that happens to over confident, can't-happen-to-me types.
 
2014-01-25 04:15:01 PM  
I was told only law enforcement is qualified to use firearms.
 
2014-01-25 04:17:41 PM  
then again, maybe i wouldn't be surprised at all.
 
2014-01-25 04:18:06 PM  
If he and the schoolteachers had been armed this tragedy could have been avoided.
 
2014-01-25 04:18:17 PM  
At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.
 
2014-01-25 04:18:40 PM  

clintster: He just farking shot himself?


He had it coming
 
2014-01-25 04:19:29 PM  
I love stories from the "Never gonna live this down" file.
 
2014-01-25 04:20:16 PM  
"Too soon."
 
2014-01-25 04:20:34 PM  
You'd think.....

No, I wouldn't.
 
2014-01-25 04:21:34 PM  

vpb: He was just standing his ground.


His thigh was clearly menacing him to the point he felt fear for his life. Probably ganging up on him with his shin and kneecap. That warning shot was all that saved him.
 
GBB
2014-01-25 04:21:38 PM  

BumpInTheNight: At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.


CSB: As a dispatcher, I go off on a daily basis about how people never have a clue as to where they are or where they're heading when they call 911.   And sure as shiat, the one time I need to call, "Where are you?"   "The fark if I know!"
 
2014-01-25 04:23:59 PM  

No Soap Radio:


I'm the only one professional enough to BAM!
 
GBB
2014-01-25 04:24:51 PM  

vpb: He was just standing his ground.


Now he's bleeding on his ground.
And no longer standing.
 
2014-01-25 04:27:50 PM  
Remember kids.
Police officers are hired if they meet the requirement of FAILING an I.Q. test.

Keep that in mind and you'll never be surprised at their stupidity again.
 
2014-01-25 04:28:18 PM  
Some folks around here think of me as a "gun grabber" because I favor broad local authority to regulate firearms, but I seem to be missing the point of this submission. Accidents happen. People have bad luck. Everyone suffers lapses in judgment from time to time. But no one was killed, and none of the children were hurt, so what's the big deal?
 
2014-01-25 04:28:42 PM  
I can't imagine why he was handling the weapon in his car. Unless he was actually fondling it...

I know a few people I wouldn't trust not to molest a poor, defenseless gun.
 
2014-01-25 04:28:54 PM  
As long as it's only adults shooting themselves I could happily read these stories every day.
 
2014-01-25 04:29:53 PM  

phlegmmo: You'd think.....

No, I wouldn't.


No one who has ever had any interaction with the PA state police would ever think that.
 
2014-01-25 04:31:30 PM  
I'll give him a point for not shooting a student.
And then confiscate his guns.
 
2014-01-25 04:32:29 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: I can't imagine why he was handling the weapon in his car. Unless he was actually fondling it...

I know a few people I wouldn't trust not to molest a poor, defenseless gun.


The gun fired in self-defense.
 
2014-01-25 04:36:16 PM  
Do not play with your gun.
 
2014-01-25 04:37:49 PM  

GBB: BumpInTheNight: At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.

CSB: As a dispatcher, I go off on a daily basis about how people never have a clue as to where they are or where they're heading when they call 911.   And sure as shiat, the one time I need to call, "Where are you?"   "The fark if I know!"


This amuses me greatly.
 
2014-01-25 04:40:10 PM  
So now he goes on a list so he can't live within 1000 yards of a school, right?
 
2014-01-25 04:41:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do not play with your gun.


This is for fighting this is for fun.
 
2014-01-25 04:41:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do not play with your gun.


Especially in a school parking lot.  You'll get cuffed, stuffed and filed as a sex offender before dinner.
 
2014-01-25 04:42:26 PM  
What, you thought there was a gun owner out there that wasn't irresponsible? What's the point of owning a gun if you can't do idiotic things with it?
 
2014-01-25 04:42:27 PM  

Mega Steve: clintster: He just farking shot himself?

He had it coming


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxk_LPmdMI

Been done before
 
2014-01-25 04:43:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do not play with your gun.


kubrickfilms.tripod.com
 
2014-01-25 04:43:57 PM  
Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.
 
2014-01-25 04:46:28 PM  
Great story. Sorry to hear he lived. Oh well..............
 
2014-01-25 04:51:08 PM  
NO I would not think that, especially with the OVERWHELMING amount of Responsible Gun Owners we have in this county, as evidenced with every shooting.
 
2014-01-25 04:54:23 PM  
Detective Costeau strikes again!!!
 
2014-01-25 04:55:19 PM  
Did he post on Fark right after this happened?

That wold be the sensible thing to do. That attention emotional support could be helpful.
 
2014-01-25 04:56:55 PM  

Piizzadude: NO I would not think that, especially with the OVERWHELMING amount of Responsible Gun Owners we have in this county, as evidenced with every shooting.


100,000,000 legal gun owners.

Yep, there are an overwhelming amount of responsible gun owners in this country.
 
2014-01-25 04:57:38 PM  

GBB: BumpInTheNight: At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.

CSB: As a dispatcher, I go off on a daily basis about how people never have a clue as to where they are or where they're heading when they call 911.   And sure as shiat, the one time I need to call, "Where are you?"   "The fark if I know!"


Kind of like that kid floating down a river on ice.  They said he was disoriented and confused.  No, he knew he was floating down a river, he just didn't have anymore information to give.
 
2014-01-25 04:58:10 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: Did he post on Fark right after this happened?

That wold be the sensible thing to do. That attention emotional support could be helpful.


Mynd you møøse bytes kan be preti nasti.
 
2014-01-25 04:58:38 PM  
Wonder why he is a "former" Police officer?
 
2014-01-25 05:04:58 PM  
Marcus Aurelius

Do not play with your gun.

Came to say this.
 
2014-01-25 05:11:07 PM  
Guessing, a Glock, 19 or whatever the other widowmaker is.
It is full retard to stroke your Glock.
And in the car?
 
2014-01-25 05:11:53 PM  

BumpInTheNight: At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.


But you see, none of those things have nearly as much potential for collateral damage as these nitwits do, which why there should be a whole lot fewer people wandering around with loaded guns to make this shiat possible.
 
2014-01-25 05:13:40 PM  
There should be a special class for the idiot that loves his Glock w/o a safety.
I suggest Ermey Class.
 
2014-01-25 05:16:15 PM  
Good notified 911 of the shooting.

Imagine making that call.

/While I originally filed this under "Never gonna gonna live this down" I think now I'll also cross index it with the "Funny cause it didn't happen to me" and "awkward" files.
 
2014-01-25 05:16:28 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: BumpInTheNight: At this point its no more shocking that this happens then meetings doctors who smoke, IT professionals who choose weak passwords or bartenders who drink.  People sometimes do things that they should ironically know better then anyone is harmful to them self, meh.

But you see, none of those things have nearly as much potential for collateral damage as these nitwits do, which why there should be a whole lot fewer people wandering around with loaded guns to make this shiat possible.


Now, where did I hear that before??
Oh yea, up on Mt Hyperbole.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 05:19:18 PM  

No Soap Radio: [a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


When one uses GIS to find Barney Fife images different frames from that video now show up...
 
2014-01-25 05:19:41 PM  
it is amazing what some will do to entertain themselves !
 
2014-01-25 05:20:39 PM  
It's a common injury.  Heck, I've shot myself in the leg twice in the last year.  Most gun owners shoot themselves in the leg once a year or so.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 05:20:44 PM  
www.freewebs.com
 
2014-01-25 05:25:16 PM  
Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!
 
2014-01-25 05:26:17 PM  

Molavian: It's a common injury.  Heck, I've shot myself in the leg twice in the last year.  Most gun owners shoot themselves in the leg once a year or so.


Walk it off.
If severe, run it off, Pussy.
 
2014-01-25 05:29:44 PM  

snocone: Molavian: It's a common injury.  Heck, I've shot myself in the leg twice in the last year.  Most gun owners shoot themselves in the leg once a year or so.

Walk it off.
If severe, run it off, Pussy.


Rub some dirt in it and put on a farking jersey.
 
2014-01-25 05:30:16 PM  
Was that leg a "thug" leg?
 
2014-01-25 05:32:20 PM  
Only use bullets that are not leg magnets. They are a little more expensive but so much better when you want to stay out of Fark.
 
2014-01-25 05:35:39 PM  

Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.


TFA didn't specify.

I'd almost guarantee it was a Glock, though.

You want a common-sense gun law?  Ban the sale of handguns without safeties.  And no, that trigger thing on a Glock is NOT a safety.
 
2014-01-25 05:36:12 PM  
"Former Police Officer"

Next question.
 
2014-01-25 05:36:39 PM  

craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!


Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
2014-01-25 05:36:39 PM  

OnlyM3: Remember kids.
Police officers are hired if they meet the requirement of FAILING an I.Q. test.

Keep that in mind and you'll never be surprised at their stupidity again.


FAKE
 
2014-01-25 05:44:51 PM  

DarkVader: Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.

TFA didn't specify.

I'd almost guarantee it was a Glock, though.

You want a common-sense gun law?  Ban the sale of handguns without safeties.  And no, that trigger thing on a Glock is NOT a safety.


But then what else are the common rabble going to fellate as the BESTEST HANDGUN EVAR?

/hate glocks.
 
2014-01-25 05:49:21 PM  

Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.


First thing I did reading the article was CTRL-F "glock".  They don't mention the type of handgun but I'll bet its a certain piece of combat tupperware.

Call me old fashioned but I like a gun that I can look at and see a nice clumsy external safety.  I treat Glocks like poisonous snakes when I'm around them at the range or a buddies place.  I know they're just waiting for me to do something even a little careless.
 
2014-01-25 05:51:23 PM  
Another shooting in a gun free zone. When will the liberal gun grabbers learn?
 
2014-01-25 05:52:44 PM  

trackerbri: Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.

First thing I did reading the article was CTRL-F "glock".  They don't mention the type of handgun but I'll bet its a certain piece of combat tupperware.

Call me old fashioned but I like a gun that I can look at and see a nice clumsy external safety.  I treat Glocks like poisonous snakes when I'm around them at the range or a buddies place.  I know they're just waiting for me to do something even a little careless.


This. Give me an HK45, HK USP, P30, 1911, CZ...

And none of that Ruger/Beretta/Smith and Wesson crap with the backwards safety on the slide.
 
2014-01-25 05:53:32 PM  
Why does he have a bullet in the chamber with the safety off?
 
2014-01-25 05:54:10 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.


That's because modern revolvers and pistols and rifles, even those made to look like old firearms, have additional safeties built in. Like transfer bar safety, firing pin block safety, etc,

Old revolvers are still recommended to carry with one chamber empty.
 
2014-01-25 05:57:14 PM  

BalugaJoe: Why does he have a bullet in the chamber with the safety off?


1. Not all firearms have a manual safety.

2. A bullet in the chamber won't fire just because the safety is off, if there is one.

3. He pulled the trigger, so it fired.

4. If he didn't pull the trigger, he wouldn't have hurt himself.

Some people lack the training, the mental capabilities, the trigger finger control, to not stick their finger in the trigger guard when "stroking" their firearm while waiting for their kid at school. He was one of those guys.
 
2014-01-25 05:57:20 PM  

clintster: Mega Steve: clintster: He just farking shot himself?

He had it coming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxk_LPmdMI

Been done before


I feel bad for laughing at the slow-mo part

/but only a little
 
2014-01-25 05:59:55 PM  

No Soap Radio: [a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


img.fark.net

Wait a minute - isn't that Richard Sherman?
 
2014-01-25 06:00:11 PM  

Kit Fister: trackerbri: Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.

First thing I did reading the article was CTRL-F "glock".  They don't mention the type of handgun but I'll bet its a certain piece of combat tupperware.

Call me old fashioned but I like a gun that I can look at and see a nice clumsy external safety.  I treat Glocks like poisonous snakes when I'm around them at the range or a buddies place.  I know they're just waiting for me to do something even a little careless.

This. Give me an HK45, HK USP, P30, 1911, CZ...

And none of that Ruger/Beretta/Smith and Wesson crap with the backwards safety on the slide.


The S&W M&P autos can be had with a safety in the correct place. Just not in California, ironically, because of the expensive, unnecessary, PITA state safety testing requirements. S&W doesn't think there's sufficient demand to justify the cost of testing the manual safety versions.
 
2014-01-25 06:02:06 PM  

gund: BalugaJoe: Why does he have a bullet in the chamber with the safety off?

1. Not all firearms have a manual safety.

2. A bullet in the chamber won't fire just because the safety is off, if there is one.

3. He pulled the trigger, so it fired.

4. If he didn't pull the trigger, he wouldn't have hurt himself.

Some people lack the training, the mental capabilities, the trigger finger control, to not stick their finger in the trigger guard when "stroking" their firearm while waiting for their kid at school. He was one of those guys.


And some people cut the pull down on the trigger, just tthhaat much.
 
2014-01-25 06:03:58 PM  
Why all the hate on Glocks? Don't you have trigger control?
 
2014-01-25 06:06:05 PM  

DarkVader: Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.

TFA didn't specify.

I'd almost guarantee it was a Glock, though.

You want a common-sense gun law?  Ban the sale of handguns without safeties.  And no, that trigger thing on a Glock is NOT a safety.


revolvers don't have safeties, besides the internal transfer bar safety, which isn't something you can manually turn on or off..

GUND: ....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because modern revolvers and pistols and rifles, even those made to look like old firearms, have additional safeties built in. Like transfer bar safety, firing pin block safety, etc,

Old revolvers are still recommended to carry with one chamber empty.

This...
with a modern revolver with a transfer bar safety, the hammer could be on a loaded chamber, and you could literally pound the back of the gun against a brick wall and it wouldn't fire...

firearms of the 1880's not so much...
 
2014-01-25 06:10:04 PM  

BalugaJoe: Why does he have a bullet in the chamber with the safety off?


You mean like this?
 
2014-01-25 06:10:05 PM  

lunging_man_ass: Why all the hate on Glocks? Don't you have trigger control?


I gave up flintlocks also.
 
2014-01-25 06:10:26 PM  

Piizzadude: NO I would not think that, especially with the OVERWHELMING amount of Responsible Gun Owners we have in this county, as evidenced with every shooting.


Considering the millions of people who own/carry, the numbers are pretty small.
 
2014-01-25 06:11:25 PM  

AngryDragon: BalugaJoe: Why does he have a bullet in the chamber with the safety off?

You mean like this?


I'll try that again.  Perfect safe:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-25 06:13:35 PM  
The shooting victim, Douglas Trent Good, was wounded in a leg and taken to a hospital, the Mills County Attorney's Office said.

www.deargrumpycat.com
 
2014-01-25 06:13:54 PM  
GLOCK! No safeties!
Perfectly safe!

Not.
Nobody is safe from stupid.
 
2014-01-25 06:15:00 PM  
FTA: According to Good's LinkedIn profile, he also worked as a police officer in Creston and has a master's degree from Bellevue University.

LinkedIn? Man, if anything ever puts me in the news, I guess the article will end with "he also worked as a test pilot for the experimental aircraft division of a fictional Japanese corporation and chairs the covert activities department of an imaginary university."
 
2014-01-25 06:16:44 PM  

BMulligan: Some folks around here think of me as a "gun grabber" because I favor broad local authority to regulate firearms, but I seem to be missing the point of this submission. Accidents happen. People have bad luck. Everyone suffers lapses in judgment from time to time. But no one was killed, and none of the children were hurt, so what's the big deal?


Felony?
 
2014-01-25 06:20:31 PM  

trackerbri: Doom MD: Dnrtfa. Was it glock leg? I bet it was glock leg. Not a huge fan of the "safety features" on that gun.

First thing I did reading the article was CTRL-F "glock".  They don't mention the type of handgun but I'll bet its a certain piece of combat tupperware.

Call me old fashioned but I like a gun that I can look at and see a nice clumsy external safety.  I treat Glocks like poisonous snakes when I'm around them at the range or a buddies place.  I know they're just waiting for me to do something even a little careless.


Yes rely on a safety. It will never let you down. In fact its so safe you can hold it to your head.
 
2014-01-25 06:21:09 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: GLOCK! No safeties!
Perfectly safe!

Not.
Nobody is safe from stupid.


Ahh, I remember before Glock went upscale.
Is required reading in Ermey Class.
 
2014-01-25 06:22:34 PM  
namatad:I assume that he was arrested and charged, right?
There is no need to read the article.

I KNOW that we have zero tolerance for guns in school zones. RIGHT?


They only actually bring you in if a crime's definitely been committed or they're ready to charge you.  This would actually be legal if the gun was just in his car (your car is legally "on your property" where licensed carry is concerned) and hadn't discharged, so they actually have to investigate before they decide whether to bring charges.

If charges are brought (e.g. it's determined that he has sufficient liability that it's more negligence than accidental), though, the school thing is going to be a factor, since it's mentioned directly in what the cops said they were investigating.

The most likely conclusion is going to be him being called a dumbass, his carry licensed revoked if he has one, and told to fark off.  Being stupid isn't actually illegal in the US.
 
2014-01-25 06:24:00 PM  

Jim_Callahan: namatad:I assume that he was arrested and charged, right?
There is no need to read the article.

I KNOW that we have zero tolerance for guns in school zones. RIGHT?

They only actually bring you in if a crime's definitely been committed or they're ready to charge you.  This would actually be legal if the gun was just in his car (your car is legally "on your property" where licensed carry is concerned) and hadn't discharged, so they actually have to investigate before they decide whether to bring charges.

If charges are brought (e.g. it's determined that he has sufficient liability that it's more negligence than accidental), though, the school thing is going to be a factor, since it's mentioned directly in what the cops said they were investigating.

The most likely conclusion is going to be him being called a dumbass, his carry licensed revoked if he has one, and told to fark off.  Being stupid isn't actually illegal in the US.


School property. Wtf are you talking about?
 
2014-01-25 06:31:37 PM  
First thought- Florida
Second thought- Texas
(read article, overlooked source)
Third thought- Glock

My Smith 9 has an ambidextrous safety, lever faces front.
Usable with either one handed or two handed grip
Also has disconnect/safety block between firing pin and hammer
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-25 06:42:40 PM  
I've perfected a method of preventing mis-fire.

I don't buy guns.
 
2014-01-25 06:45:01 PM  

d23: I've perfected a method of preventing mis-fire.

I don't buy guns.


Too easy to steal.
 
2014-01-25 06:48:58 PM  
Considering that almost every cop I've ever seen shoot couldn't hit the ground with a full magazine if they had all day to try, I would expect the only way they could hit anything was by accident.
 
2014-01-25 06:54:36 PM  
It makes me wonder sometimes that those of us with a ccp should carry arms in public to defend ourselves against cops. Seems to me, a lot of cops carry guns just like a wallet. My brother in law is a retired cop, bet he carries one as well. It's like a penis extension for them.
 
2014-01-25 06:56:01 PM  

craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!


Citation needed
 
2014-01-25 07:09:22 PM  
External safeties are great but they require a fine motor skill to be performed under stress when seconds count.  I train people on many different brands and models of firearms.  All guns have one thing in common, if they are in proper working order, they will not fire unless you put your finger in the trigger guard.  Your finger should NEVER be in the trigger guard or on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.  That is the most reliable safety there is.  Keeping your finger off the trigger will keep any gun from firing.  Also carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is pretty much worthless.
 
2014-01-25 07:13:12 PM  

Ex-Texan: It makes me wonder sometimes that those of us with a ccp should carry arms in public to defend ourselves against cops. Seems to me, a lot of cops carry guns just like a wallet. My brother in law is a retired cop, bet he carries one as well. It's like a penis extension for them.


Like the automobile is a penis extension. You know what, you are right. Ban penis extensions. I'm sick and tired of this shiat.
 
2014-01-25 07:22:32 PM  
No you wouldn't.
 
2014-01-25 08:02:00 PM  

lonerancher: External safeties are great but they require a fine motor skill to be performed under stress when seconds count.  I train people on many different brands and models of firearms.  All guns have one thing in common, if they are in proper working order, they will not fire unless you put your finger in the trigger guard.  Your finger should NEVER be in the trigger guard or on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.  That is the most reliable safety there is.  Keeping your finger off the trigger will keep any gun from firing.


Yep.  Look at how well that's working.  Shut the lights off, Martha, this gun safety thing is foolproof - we're going to rely on gun enthusiasts to be responsible, rational adults who think about things carefully.

Also carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is pretty much worthless.

I don't get it.  Doesn't make your dick feel as big?
 
2014-01-25 08:08:07 PM  

gund: forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because modern revolvers and pistols and rifles, even those made to look like old firearms, have additional safeties built in. Like transfer bar safety, firing pin block safety, etc,

Old revolvers are still recommended to carry with one chamber empty.


Even in the old guns I've handled without any of that, a lot of which are still around and in use, there was a "quarter cock" notch on the hammer. That would prevent a good number of drop fires, and assorted other clumsy handling-related accidents. The problem being, one had to remember to engage it. To be ultra-safe, of course, yeah, don't leave a live round under the hammer. The sketchiest thing about SAAs, and 3-screw Ruger Blackhawks, etc, is the loading procedure. This requires the hammer to be placed at half-cock, and when you're done, you draw the hammer back a bit further and pull the trigger to lower it. If your thumb slips during that process, you could have an accident, should you either fully load it, or not get the cylinder indexed right to be on the empty chamber.
 
2014-01-25 08:11:14 PM  
noitsnot
If you don't have a round in the chamber you can't fire the weapon when  needed.  It has nothing about making someone's genitalia seem larger.
Weapons are only useful if they will work immediately when needed.  If someone wishes to do you harm, they will not wait for you to chamber a round.  Loaded guns are safe as long as the finger stays off of the trigger.
 
2014-01-25 08:31:23 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: School property. Wtf are you talking about?


The relevant line of the story:

Good, the parent of a student at the school, was inside his vehicle when the gun fired,

For the purposes of possession, "in your car" is on  your property.  Bans on guns in schools only apply to places that are legally  school property.  So school bans aren't relevant here, his carrying of the weapon was legal (barring other disqualifiers like a criminal record), the issue is the  discharge of the firearm within a residential zone.  In which case intent matters.

Your car being "your property" legally for the purposes of possession/carry has been very thoroughly tested in the court system, mostly with regard to hospitals where it comes up a lot more often (e.g. someone accidentally gets shot on a hunting trip, his buddies drive him straight to the hospital and park in the lot without stopping to carefully move all the firearms and ammo to a different vehicle), but the law is pretty clear that it applies to other "no-gun zones" as well.

// Came up at my workplace at one point because someone asked whether they could leave their gun in the car when it was in the university garage, and the answer was "yes", along with the usual stuff about not leaving it in plain sight because people will steal it and so on.

// Why am I the *The More You Know* law guy in this thread?  It's not even really a gun thread, more a "ha, ha, dumbass" thread.
 
2014-01-25 08:32:17 PM  

d23: I've perfected a method of preventing mis-fire.

I don't buy guns.


I approve.  More available for the rest of us.
 
2014-01-25 08:45:35 PM  

lonerancher: noitsnot
If you don't have a round in the chamber you can't fire the weapon when  needed.  It has nothing about making someone's genitalia seem larger.
Weapons are only useful if they will work immediately when needed.  If someone wishes to do you harm, they will not wait for you to chamber a round.  Loaded guns are safe as long as the finger stays off of the trigger.


Have you checked your fire extinguishers this year?  They should be checked annually.

You do have fire extinguishers, don't you?
 
2014-01-25 08:47:29 PM  
Sure do have fire extinguishers!  I check them twice a year when I change the clocks and put new batteries in the smoke detector.
 
2014-01-25 08:52:05 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.


Load one, skip one, load 4.
 
2014-01-25 09:01:52 PM  

lonerancher: Also carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is pretty much worthless.


Oh don't worry, our resident firearms training idiot will be along shortly to tell us that since someone thought it was a nifty idea to train military troops to carry with an empty chamber in 1942, that's how it should be done today... even though no one actually teaches that.

From my experience as in an instructor, law enforcement officers often have the works skills and safety attitude.  I've removed several from class before.
 
2014-01-25 09:44:23 PM  

Click Click D'oh: lonerancher: Also carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is pretty much worthless.

Oh don't worry, our resident firearms training idiot will be along shortly to tell us that since someone thought it was a nifty idea to train military troops to carry with an empty chamber in 1942, that's how it should be done today... even though no one actually teaches that.

From my experience as in an instructor, law enforcement officers often have the works skills and safety attitude.  I've removed several from class before.


What a weird world you guys live in - that you think you need to be constantly ready for a gunfight.  What bizarre priorities you must have.
 
2014-01-25 09:48:00 PM  

noitsnot: What a weird world you guys live in - that you think you need to be constantly ready for a gunfight


Nonsense, I leave my rifle at home most days.
 
2014-01-25 10:12:29 PM  

Jim_Callahan: StoPPeRmobile: School property. Wtf are you talking about?

The relevant line of the story:

Good, the parent of a student at the school, was inside his vehicle when the gun fired,

For the purposes of possession, "in your car" is on  your property.  Bans on guns in schools only apply to places that are legally  school property.  So school bans aren't relevant here, his carrying of the weapon was legal (barring other disqualifiers like a criminal record), the issue is the  discharge of the firearm within a residential zone.  In which case intent matters.

Your car being "your property" legally for the purposes of possession/carry has been very thoroughly tested in the court system, mostly with regard to hospitals where it comes up a lot more often (e.g. someone accidentally gets shot on a hunting trip, his buddies drive him straight to the hospital and park in the lot without stopping to carefully move all the firearms and ammo to a different vehicle), but the law is pretty clear that it applies to other "no-gun zones" as well.

// Came up at my workplace at one point because someone asked whether they could leave their gun in the car when it was in the university garage, and the answer was "yes", along with the usual stuff about not leaving it in plain sight because people will steal it and so on.

// Why am I the *The More You Know* law guy in this thread?  It's not even really a gun thread, more a "ha, ha, dumbass" thread.


724.4B CARRYING WEAPONS ON SCHOOL GROUNDS -- PENALTY
-- EXCEPTIONS.

1. A person who goes armed with, carries, or transports a firearm
of any kind, whether concealed or not, on the grounds of a school
commits a class "D" felony. For the purposes of this section,
"school" means a public or nonpublic school as defined in section
280.2.
2. Subsection 1 does not apply to the following:
a. A person listed under section 724.4, subsection 4,
paragraphs "b" through "f" or "j".

b. A person who has been specifically authorized by the
school to go armed, carry, or transport a firearm on the school
grounds, including for purposes of conducting an instructional
program regarding firearms.

...
f. A person who for any lawful purpose carries or transports
an unloaded pistol or revolver in a vehicle inside a closed and
fastened container
or securely wrapped package which is too large to
be concealed on the person or inside a cargo or luggage compartment
where the pistol or revolver will not be readily accessible to any
person riding in the vehicle or common carrier.

Good luck with that.

/not a lawyer
 
2014-01-25 10:17:23 PM  

noitsnot: Click Click D'oh: lonerancher: Also carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is pretty much worthless.

Oh don't worry, our resident firearms training idiot will be along shortly to tell us that since someone thought it was a nifty idea to train military troops to carry with an empty chamber in 1942, that's how it should be done today... even though no one actually teaches that.

From my experience as in an instructor, law enforcement officers often have the works skills and safety attitude.  I've removed several from class before.

What a weird world you guys live in - that you think you need to be constantly ready for a gunfight.  What bizarre priorities you must have.


There are two sorts of people that contribute to these discussions. One is paranoids who watch too much TV, and assume that the fairly rare events that result in shootings are imminent in their day-to-day existence. The other is people who have led such a sheltered existence they can't even imagine a circumstance where they might need a gun. Personally, I just do what makes sense at the time, which usually isn't carrying.
 
2014-01-25 10:28:46 PM  
My job requires me to go into dangerous places.  I am responsible for the safety of others.  There are people that still hold grudges from when I arrested them.  I'd rather have my gun and not need it, than need it and not have it.  In this economy people have become pretty desperate.  Areas where I never used to see violent crime are seeing it.  If you don't feel the need to carry, that's awesome.  I don't recommend everyone carry but if people feel the need and get trained, then good for them.
 
2014-01-25 10:31:59 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.


No kidding. craigdamage might as well have posted more people get a disease from fapping to Katy Perry than Beiber.

NTTIAWWT
 
2014-01-25 10:55:47 PM  
Bellevue Masters.

Baptist degree is an oxymoron!
 
2014-01-25 11:27:35 PM  
wichitaleaf


>>> OnlyM3: Remember kids.
>>> Police officers are hired if they meet the requirement of FAILING an I.Q. test.

>>> Keep that in mind and you'll never be surprised at their stupidity again.

FAKE

You sound stupid enough to be a cop.

A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.

In a ruling made public on Tuesday, Judge Peter C. Dorsey of the United States District Court in New Haven agreed that the plaintiff, Robert Jordan, was denied an opportunity to interview for a police job because of his high test scores.

Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection because the city of New London applied the same standard to everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected.
 
2014-01-26 12:53:16 AM  

BMulligan: Some folks around here think of me as a "gun grabber" because I favor broad local authority to regulate firearms, but I seem to be missing the point of this submission. Accidents happen. People have bad luck. Everyone suffers lapses in judgment from time to time. But no one was killed, and none of the children were hurt, so what's the big deal?


The big deal is that this douche-bag pointed a loaded gun at his leg, put his finger on the trigger, and pulled the trigger.  That's a HUGE farking deal.  He's a moron.  He should be stripped of his badge and weapon and summarily dismissed for being so farking stupid.
 
2014-01-26 02:03:04 AM  
Isn't the first rule of gun safety something like "The gun is always loaded"?
 
2014-01-26 02:21:08 AM  

Ex-Texan: It makes me wonder sometimes that those of us with a ccp should carry arms in public to defend ourselves against cops. Seems to me, a lot of cops carry guns just like a wallet. My brother in law is a retired cop, bet he carries one as well. It's like a penis extension for them.


...because shootouts with cops always end well for the not-a-cop participant, right?

lonerancher: My job requires me to go into dangerous places.  I am responsible for the safety of others.  There are people that still hold grudges from when I arrested them.  I'd rather have my gun and not need it, than need it and not have it.  In this economy people have become pretty desperate.  Areas where I never used to see violent crime are seeing it.  If you don't feel the need to carry, that's awesome.  I don't recommend everyone carry but if people feel the need and get trained, then good for them.


This sounds remarkably sane. Get out of here.
 
2014-01-26 02:25:06 AM  
You're average sport shooter spends way more time at the range than 90% of cops do.  Most cops shoot twice a year to qualify and are only shooting while standing still at non-moving paper targets.  Civilian shooters tend to shoot way more often.  Civilian sport shooters have to shoot on the move at moving targets.  Sad but true.
 
2014-01-26 02:38:53 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: gund: forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because modern revolvers and pistols and rifles, even those made to look like old firearms, have additional safeties built in. Like transfer bar safety, firing pin block safety, etc,

Old revolvers are still recommended to carry with one chamber empty.

Even in the old guns I've handled without any of that, a lot of which are still around and in use, there was a "quarter cock" notch on the hammer. That would prevent a good number of drop fires, and assorted other clumsy handling-related accidents. The problem being, one had to remember to engage it. To be ultra-safe, of course, yeah, don't leave a live round under the hammer. The sketchiest thing about SAAs, and 3-screw Ruger Blackhawks, etc, is the loading procedure. This requires the hammer to be placed at half-cock, and when you're done, you draw the hammer back a bit further and pull the trigger to lower it. If your thumb slips during that process, you could have an accident, should you either fully load it, or not get the cylinder indexed right to be on the empty chamber.




Ruger's new blackhawk (new as in since the 70s) has fixed that problem. The loading gate frees the cylinder. The hammer can be left at full rest
 
2014-01-26 03:11:51 AM  

snocone: There should be a special class for the idiot that loves his Glock w/o a safety.
I suggest Ermey Class.


My thoughts too, Glock.  Hate those trigger "safeties".  Ought to be against the law IMHO
 
2014-01-26 03:22:56 AM  

dukwbutter: BMulligan: Some folks around here think of me as a "gun grabber" because I favor broad local authority to regulate firearms, but I seem to be missing the point of this submission. Accidents happen. People have bad luck. Everyone suffers lapses in judgment from time to time. But no one was killed, and none of the children were hurt, so what's the big deal?

The big deal is that this douche-bag pointed a loaded gun at his leg, put his finger on the trigger, and pulled the trigger.  That's a HUGE farking deal.  He's a moron.  He should be stripped of his badge and weapon and summarily dismissed for being so farking stupid.


And you know that he put his finger on the trigger how exactly?  It's not in the article.  The reality is that we don't know that it wasn't a malfunction.  We don't know that it wasn't a defective holster.  We don't know that a piece of clothing didn't get caught on the trigger.

Considering that the gun was most likely a defective-by-design Glock with no safety, it's entirely possible that it was an accident.
 
2014-01-26 03:23:43 AM  

dforkus: forgotmydamnusername: gund: forgotmydamnusername: craigdamage: Amusing and interesting fact......


Back in the late 1800s during the so called "wild west" era:


....more people were killed or maimed by accidental discharges than actual "gun fights" or encounters with hostile Indians/bandits etc.

Rifles, handguns and shotguns had exposed hammers and many times it would snag when pulled out from a saddle bag or whatever and BOOM!!!

Still a good number of revolvers and pistols with exposed hammers, and several million Marlin and Winchester lever action rifles, all with exposed hammers. Doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because modern revolvers and pistols and rifles, even those made to look like old firearms, have additional safeties built in. Like transfer bar safety, firing pin block safety, etc,

Old revolvers are still recommended to carry with one chamber empty.

Even in the old guns I've handled without any of that, a lot of which are still around and in use, there was a "quarter cock" notch on the hammer. That would prevent a good number of drop fires, and assorted other clumsy handling-related accidents. The problem being, one had to remember to engage it. To be ultra-safe, of course, yeah, don't leave a live round under the hammer. The sketchiest thing about SAAs, and 3-screw Ruger Blackhawks, etc, is the loading procedure. This requires the hammer to be placed at half-cock, and when you're done, you draw the hammer back a bit further and pull the trigger to lower it. If your thumb slips during that process, you could have an accident, should you either fully load it, or not get the cylinder indexed right to be on the empty chamber.

Ruger's new blackhawk (new as in since the 70s) has fixed that problem. The loading gate frees the cylinder. The hammer can be left at full rest


That's why I mentioned "3-screw". The newer pattern Ruger single-action that's loaded with the hammer down has two pins through the frame securing the mechanism, instead of the 3 screws seen on unmodified old ones. Lousier out-of-the-box trigger pull seems to be a side-effect of the change, unfortunately, but it really is much more convenient.
 
2014-01-26 03:43:32 AM  

DarkVader: dukwbutter: BMulligan: Some folks around here think of me as a "gun grabber" because I favor broad local authority to regulate firearms, but I seem to be missing the point of this submission. Accidents happen. People have bad luck. Everyone suffers lapses in judgment from time to time. But no one was killed, and none of the children were hurt, so what's the big deal?

The big deal is that this douche-bag pointed a loaded gun at his leg, put his finger on the trigger, and pulled the trigger.  That's a HUGE farking deal.  He's a moron.  He should be stripped of his badge and weapon and summarily dismissed for being so farking stupid.

And you know that he put his finger on the trigger how exactly?  It's not in the article.  The reality is that we don't know that it wasn't a malfunction.  We don't know that it wasn't a defective holster.  We don't know that a piece of clothing didn't get caught on the trigger.

Considering that the gun was most likely a defective-by-design Glock with no safety, it's entirely possible that it was an accident.


I don't think it's fair to call it defective, it's just that it almost certainly wasn't designed to be carried with a chambered round. That's well and good for the military users for which the design was originally intended, I suppose, but for street use, it's suboptimal. People like to ignore that little issue, and pretend that they couldn't make a mistake, and nothing unexpected would ever happen, until they somehow fark up and blow their kneecap off.
 
2014-01-26 03:46:54 AM  
Why are glocks "defective by design?"
Hundreds of thousands of glock owners manage to handle their weapon without ever discharging the weapon unintentionally.
Revolvers don't have external safeties.
Just about every manufacturer makes models that do not have external safeties.
H&K, S&W, Springfield, Sig Sauer..... The list goes on.  If you keep your finger out of the trigger guard and wear a proper holster, so things can't get in the trigger guard, the weapon wont discharge.
 
2014-01-26 04:08:09 AM  

lonerancher: Why are glocks "defective by design?"
Hundreds of thousands of glock owners manage to handle their weapon without ever discharging the weapon unintentionally.
Revolvers don't have external safeties.
Just about every manufacturer makes models that do not have external safeties.
H&K, S&W, Springfield, Sig Sauer..... The list goes on.  If you keep your finger out of the trigger guard and wear a proper holster, so things can't get in the trigger guard, the weapon wont discharge.


Except for Glocks fitted with the "New York trigger", the trigger pull on DA revolvers is a great deal stiffer than that found on a Glock. Ditto a lot of double action trigger pulls on other automatics. That alone will cut down on issues like getting your shirt tail caught up in the process of trying to holster the weapon and discharging it, because  you need to exert a lot more force to make the trigger pull happen.
 
2014-01-26 04:17:59 AM  
As far as trigger pull goes my Glock, Springfield, and H&K with LEM trigger are all just about as light.  Also heavy trigger pulls also throw off accuracy. Worse yet are the DA/SA guns where you have an initial heavy pull then subsequent light pulls.  All in all, if you can't keep your booger hook off the boom switch, leave it in the safe.
 
2014-01-26 04:44:36 AM  

lonerancher: As far as trigger pull goes my Glock, Springfield, and H&K with LEM trigger are all just about as light.  Also heavy trigger pulls also throw off accuracy. Worse yet are the DA/SA guns where you have an initial heavy pull then subsequent light pulls.  All in all, if you can't keep your booger hook off the boom switch, leave it in the safe.


No one ever manages not to do something stupid in the course of their life. This includes their handling of firearms. I wish you continued good luck, but don't fool yourself. Everything is tradeoffs. My preferred tradeoffs are different. I like HiPowers and 1911s, myself. I've been using them since age 10. I don't think I could forget to disengage the safety even if I wanted to, at this point, although you never know, I could make that mistake at crunch time, just as you could suffer a moment of absent-mindedness, and BLAMMO!
 
2014-01-26 06:17:21 AM  
I get what you are saying. I love my Sig 1911.  I am just saying that your opinion doesn't make the engineering bad.  People should handle weapons properly.  Just as you doubt that you would forget to disengage the safety, I doubt I would ever let anything enter the trigger guard or any weapon.  The only weapon I engage the safety on is my 1911s.  When I carry it I have a round chambered, hammer back and safety on, as intended by its design.
Effective safe firearms handling comes down to discipline and practice, practice, practice.  If I relied on the whopping 40 hours of firearms training I got in the police academy as my only training, I would have no business handling a firearm.  If you ever want to see poor firearms training, go to your local police academy.  It makes it seem as if those Steve Gutenberg movies were reality based.
 
2014-01-26 06:34:17 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Isn't the first rule of gun safety something like "The gun is always loaded"?


No, it's probably a Glock so we blame the weapon's lack of an external safety.
 
2014-01-26 09:51:12 AM  
I guess this pwoves the wiberal idea that only police and gubmint have the wight to beaw arms.
 
2014-01-26 01:01:42 PM  
TheVeryDeadIanMartin

Isn't the first rule of gun safety something like "The gun is always loaded"?

The first rule of gun safety is: "Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring their friends who have guns."
 
2014-01-26 01:29:36 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Isn't the first rule of gun safety something like "The gun is always loaded"?

No, it's probably a Glock so we blame the weapon's lack of an external safety.


No, I blame the idiot carrying the wrong farking tool.
You can't pick your relatives, but you can pick a decent tool.
 
2014-01-26 01:33:53 PM  

lonerancher: noitsnot
If you don't have a round in the chamber you can't fire the weapon when  needed.  It has nothing about making someone's genitalia seem larger.
Weapons are only useful if they will work immediately when needed.  If someone wishes to do you harm, they will not wait for you to chamber a round.  Loaded guns are safe as long as the finger stays off of the trigger.


Fool.
First rule of Gunfight is find cover.
Not concealment, cover.
Until covered, keep that weapon in holster.
Quick Draw McGraw is a fantasy, IRW.
 
2014-01-27 12:13:57 AM  

snocone: lonerancher: noitsnot
If you don't have a round in the chamber you can't fire the weapon when  needed.  It has nothing about making someone's genitalia seem larger.
Weapons are only useful if they will work immediately when needed.  If someone wishes to do you harm, they will not wait for you to chamber a round.  Loaded guns are safe as long as the finger stays off of the trigger.

Fool.
First rule of Gunfight is find cover.
Not concealment, cover.
Until covered, keep that weapon in holster.
Quick Draw McGraw is a fantasy, IRW.


First off, calling someone names when you know nothing about them speaks volumes.
Second, the rules of a gunfight depend entirely on what your role is.  In my line of work we are tasked with aggressively charging the threat and neutralizing it.  Your scenario would be great for someone who is only dealing with their own safety but the people I serve have much different expectations.
Third, name calling? Really?  Sad dude, sad.
 
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