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2014-01-25 02:08:39 PM
I was trolled.
 
2014-01-25 02:10:45 PM

randomjsa: Basically the same as people and their 'herbal medicine' thing.

We tested all of the herbal medicine and do you know what we did with the stuff that actually worked?

We called it 'medicine'.


Jesus Christ, I agree with him. Well, time to go off myself.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:31 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: I'm not sure there is a defined "medical super glue" because the stuff we use in the operating room is literally purchased at a hardware store.


Higher quality control standards and produced in sterile circumstances..

The stuff you get from the hardware store isn't sterile. But I've used super-glue on myself.
 
2014-01-25 02:35:32 PM
Knowing first aid is a good thing. I try to keep my EMT cert current when I can. If more people knew how to treat minor wounds, and what a "fever" actually is, they wouldn't be scurrying to the ER every time Junior gets a runny nose.
 
2014-01-25 02:37:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Occam's Disposable Razor: I'm not sure there is a defined "medical super glue" because the stuff we use in the operating room is literally purchased at a hardware store.

Higher quality control standards and produced in sterile circumstances..

The stuff you get from the hardware store isn't sterile. But I've used super-glue on myself.


I'm sure standard of care and lawyers dictate that we should be paying a 500% markup for something from a medical supply company, but for corneal wounds the entire department uses this:
www.chm.bris.ac.uk

I actually should try to find a study about infections and superglue. I can't imagine anything being able to take hold in it once it solidifies, but I suppose things could live in the bottle and be delivered on application.
 
2014-01-25 02:46:19 PM

Marshmallow Jones: Well done subby.   Its fun to witness people piss their pants when you dare say something about the Most Holy Black Man, His Worshipfulness and Flawless Leader, Barry Obama.


I bet the shrine to St. Reagan in your house is just splendid.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:20 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Don't forget your broad leafy greens when you are out of TP.

/hot like ill-prepared nethers
 
2014-01-25 03:22:39 PM

hardinparamedic: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uh... didn't we used to refer to that as First Aid?

Wilderness First Aid teaches above and beyond what a typical first aid class does by preparing people to provide care beyond the first few minutes in a wilderness setting. WFA actually teaches you how to set certain fractures and reduce dislocations, about general illnesses and medical problems, and how to administer certain medications beyond tylenol/advil.

Wilderness Advanced Life Support is the class geared towards Paramedics, NPs, PAs and Physicians, and is on my bucket list to do - they actually teach field suturing and field surgical skills, among a myriad of other topics.


Sounds very similar for the PQS for a corpsman.

/except I don't remember any suturing involved, but a lot of the other stuff
 
2014-01-25 03:35:27 PM

edmo: The derp runs deep when you'll risk your life just to prove you don't like the guy.


A Master Troll is one in which you aren't sure if they are farking with you, or if they are really just that stupid.

Well done.
 
2014-01-25 04:19:03 PM
Illogical hatred usually kills its host.
 
2014-01-25 05:30:17 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.


subby should take that as the highest praise possible considering it comes from the Emperor of Trolls... if there was a higher rank, you would have it.
 
2014-01-25 05:32:59 PM

walktoanarcade: I imagine a shaman sprinkling tree bark over a broken leg.

It's better to think my way-and healthier since laughing extends one's lifespan.


fun fact: Aspirin comes from tree bark.
 
2014-01-25 05:36:28 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: walktoanarcade: I imagine a shaman sprinkling tree bark over a broken leg.

It's better to think my way-and healthier since laughing extends one's lifespan.

fun fact: Aspirin comes from tree bark.


Yeah...but my joke was about the gross misapplication...aw ya ruined itgeorgecastanza.jpg ;)
 
2014-01-25 05:39:37 PM
ever since i started popping pez like pills , i feel great !!!
 
2014-01-25 05:42:06 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: Super glue is fantastic. I've put it on wounds of myself and family members that the ER docs would have certainly sutured. It provides good re approximation of the tissue as well as a decent barrier for infection. Beats the hell out of a bandage or dressing which just collects microbes. Scarring has been minimal, and it's way easier to slap some glue on a scared 4 year old versus passing a few stitches.

We also use it sometimes in ophthalmology. Very, very small penetrating eye wounds can sometimes be closed without sutures by gluing a contact lens onto the eye (not as bad as as sounds, comes off in 4-6 weeks). Other wounds cannot be closed well with even our smallest suture and require glue as well. I'm not sure there is a defined "medical super glue" because the stuff we use in the operating room is literally purchased at a hardware store.

Disclaimer: do not attempt to glue huge lacerations without medical supervision


I wouldn't tell too many people that. There is a medical Cyanoacrylate (super glue), and there are differences...

Medical Super Glue
Normal Super Glue

promedica.de
 
2014-01-25 05:44:56 PM

walktoanarcade: HindiDiscoMonster: walktoanarcade: I imagine a shaman sprinkling tree bark over a broken leg.

It's better to think my way-and healthier since laughing extends one's lifespan.

fun fact: Aspirin comes from tree bark.

Yeah...but my joke was about the gross misapplication...aw ya ruined itgeorgecastanza.jpg ;)


www.margarethamilton.co.uk
 
2014-01-25 05:47:26 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: walktoanarcade: HindiDiscoMonster: walktoanarcade: I imagine a shaman sprinkling tree bark over a broken leg.

It's better to think my way-and healthier since laughing extends one's lifespan.

fun fact: Aspirin comes from tree bark.

Yeah...but my joke was about the gross misapplication...aw ya ruined itgeorgecastanza.jpg ;)

[www.margarethamilton.co.uk image 580x554]


made me lol
 
2014-01-25 06:00:37 PM

Marshmallow Jones: Well done subby.   Its fun to witness people piss their pants when you dare say something about the Most Holy Black Man, His Worshipfulness and Flawless Leader, Barry Obama.


Careful there, bub - rumor has it that Fark is the official internet destination of the liberal party. You may end up with someone popping a CAPS-LOCK in your keister.
 
2014-01-25 08:37:46 PM

Popular Opinion: the cost of my plan at work went up almost $45 (every 2 weeks) "to cover the anticipated costs" of obamacare.
meanwhile, millions of poor will now be required to pay for insurance they won't be able to even use because of the high deductibles  for the "most affordable" plans.

fricking joke.
liberals are retards on this. not everything, but on this they are earning the moniker "libtards"


Wow, sounds like the US is totally farked. People who have a job complaining about paying for something that doesn't directly go into their pocket.
 
2014-01-25 09:04:37 PM

Xanadone: BumpInTheNight: Yah well you spent decades allowing generations of people to be raised to trust some self-proclaimed spokesman of a sky puppet instead of logic and reason...guess what happens.

Know how we know you didn't read TFA, dearie?

(actually, this wilderness medicine thing sounds fascinating... and kind of important.)


It is, and you don't have to be a doctor or EMT for it to be worth learning at least some of it. Of course most of the people ridiculing it have never been out of sight of a building with electric lights and an internet connection. (20 years ago it would have been a phone.)
 
2014-01-25 09:06:58 PM

rhiannon: Popular Opinion: the cost of my plan at work went up almost $45 (every 2 weeks) "to cover the anticipated costs" of obamacare.
meanwhile, millions of poor will now be required to pay for insurance they won't be able to even use because of the high deductibles  for the "most affordable" plans.

fricking joke.
liberals are retards on this. not everything, but on this they are earning the moniker "libtards"

Wow, sounds like the US is totally farked. People who have a job complaining about paying for something that doesn't directly go into their pocket.


When you get a job how are you going to feel about having a gun held to your head forcing you to pay for something you don't want?
 
2014-01-25 09:15:46 PM

ex-nuke: rhiannon: Popular Opinion: the cost of my plan at work went up almost $45 (every 2 weeks) "to cover the anticipated costs" of obamacare.
meanwhile, millions of poor will now be required to pay for insurance they won't be able to even use because of the high deductibles  for the "most affordable" plans.

fricking joke.
liberals are retards on this. not everything, but on this they are earning the moniker "libtards"

Wow, sounds like the US is totally farked. People who have a job complaining about paying for something that doesn't directly go into their pocket.

When you get a job how are you going to feel about having a gun held to your head forcing you to pay for something you don't want?


Ahh yes, taxes. Don't we all love them.
 
2014-01-25 09:18:01 PM
Wash them wilderness meds with stump water
 
2014-01-25 10:23:21 PM
Interesting article. Reminds me of this book I had while doing fieldwork in Australia

www.rareaussiebooks.com.au

which in addition to lots of good first-aid type info, helpfully included a section on how to determine whether someone was dead, and what to do with the body until you could get to civilization to report the death. Thankfully I never had to put anything I read into practice.
 
2014-01-25 11:22:21 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Occam's Disposable Razor: Super glue is fantastic. I've put it on wounds of myself and family members that the ER docs would have certainly sutured. It provides good re approximation of the tissue as well as a decent barrier for infection. Beats the hell out of a bandage or dressing which just collects microbes. Scarring has been minimal, and it's way easier to slap some glue on a scared 4 year old versus passing a few stitches.

We also use it sometimes in ophthalmology. Very, very small penetrating eye wounds can sometimes be closed without sutures by gluing a contact lens onto the eye (not as bad as as sounds, comes off in 4-6 weeks). Other wounds cannot be closed well with even our smallest suture and require glue as well. I'm not sure there is a defined "medical super glue" because the stuff we use in the operating room is literally purchased at a hardware store.

Disclaimer: do not attempt to glue huge lacerations without medical supervision

I wouldn't tell too many people that. There is a medical Cyanoacrylate (super glue), and there are differences...

Medical Super Glue
Normal Super Glue

[promedica.de image 303x246]


Review of different types of glue for corneal wounds:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18043181?log

From your wiki link of medical super glue:

"In medical and veterinary applications, n-butyl cyanoacrylate, isobutyl cyanoacrylate, and octyl cyanoacrylate are commonly used."

From your wiki link of normal super glue:

"Cyanoacrylates include methyl 2-cyanoacrylate, ethyl-2-cyanoacrylate (commonly sold under trade names such as "Super Glue" and "Krazy Glue"), n-butyl cyanoacrylate and 2-octyl cyanoacrylate (used in medical, veterinary and first aid applications)."

Conclusion:
Medical and normal superglue are classified by who makes it and how it is marketed. Same substance, different quality control as hardinparamedic mentioned. The one our institution is using for corneal wounds is the one in the Pubmed link that is the strongest while still being bacteriostatic. I think we're ok.
 
2014-01-26 10:03:13 AM
I just can't believe the masses don't see the greatness and wisdom of Fadder Oobama....
 
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