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2014-01-25 10:47:54 AM
The derp runs deep when you'll risk your life just to prove you don't like the guy.
 
2014-01-25 10:48:06 AM
Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.
 
2014-01-25 10:52:07 AM
Uh... didn't we used to refer to that as First Aid?
 
2014-01-25 11:12:38 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uh... didn't we used to refer to that as First Aid?


Wilderness First Aid teaches above and beyond what a typical first aid class does by preparing people to provide care beyond the first few minutes in a wilderness setting. WFA actually teaches you how to set certain fractures and reduce dislocations, about general illnesses and medical problems, and how to administer certain medications beyond tylenol/advil.

Wilderness Advanced Life Support is the class geared towards Paramedics, NPs, PAs and Physicians, and is on my bucket list to do - they actually teach field suturing and field surgical skills, among a myriad of other topics.
 
2014-01-25 11:15:03 AM

hardinparamedic: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uh... didn't we used to refer to that as First Aid?

Wilderness First Aid teaches above and beyond what a typical first aid class does by preparing people to provide care beyond the first few minutes in a wilderness setting. WFA actually teaches you how to set certain fractures and reduce dislocations, about general illnesses and medical problems, and how to administer certain medications beyond tylenol/advil.

Wilderness Advanced Life Support is the class geared towards Paramedics, NPs, PAs and Physicians, and is on my bucket list to do - they actually teach field suturing and field surgical skills, among a myriad of other topics.


I was certified in advanced first aid back before paramedics were common. It doesn't seem like a far stretch from what I learned back then, is what I'm saying
 
2014-01-25 11:35:11 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I was certified in advanced first aid back before paramedics were common. It doesn't seem like a far stretch from what I learned back then, is what I'm saying


I have one of those books from the 1970s American Red Cross advanced first aid. The difference from what is common today and what was common in that day with "Advanced First Aid" is that if you did many of the things taught in WFA in the normal, urban setting - like pronouncing someone dead - you'd have various regulatory agencies and lawyers coming after you.

Wilderness First Aid and Wilderness First Responder are basically geared towards disaster and austere medicine, not standard, every day first aid practices. This is the stuff you'd need on a backcountry hike where the nearest road to a hospital would be a day away.

The disaster/wilderness medicine textbooks are actually available on torrent if you want to give them a good read. They even go into topics like Space medicine.
 
2014-01-25 11:37:22 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uh... didn't we used to refer to that as First Aid?


You are so 20th century, non-hipster
 
2014-01-25 11:37:45 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."
 
2014-01-25 11:39:31 AM
I clicked on the link expected it to be full of the retards claiming that running water is the best antibiotic and the like, but it was a good article.
 
2014-01-25 11:41:17 AM
Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues
 
2014-01-25 11:41:25 AM
This article has nothing to do with Obamacare...

Just putting that out there so some of your don't get suckered by the subby who apparently can't write a 'funny' headline and instead opted for 'trollish'.

Otherwise... an interesting article.
 
2014-01-25 11:42:18 AM

hasty ambush: Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues


And yet, the people who don't have it won't be dying of preventable illness that someplace refuses to treat because of their lack of insurance.
 
2014-01-25 11:43:24 AM
The thread was derped in one. Grats.

That was a good article.
 
2014-01-25 11:43:45 AM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.


Exactly.
 
2014-01-25 11:43:59 AM
Mostly involving potato, I should assume.
 
2014-01-25 11:45:13 AM
Yah well you spent decades allowing generations of people to be raised to trust some self-proclaimed spokesman of a sky puppet instead of logic and reason...guess what happens.
 
2014-01-25 11:45:27 AM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.


Who are you? And what have you done with Pocket Ninja?
 
2014-01-25 11:46:32 AM

jso2897: Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.

Who are you? And what have you done with Pocket Ninja?


Some things are too stupid for even Pocket Ninja to stand idly by.

He's the hero we need, not the hero we want.
 
2014-01-25 11:47:34 AM

jso2897: Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.

Who are you? And what have you done with Pocket Ninja?


This.
 
2014-01-25 11:47:39 AM
Why the Stupid Tag, subby? Are you employed by Obama's Derp?
 
2014-01-25 11:48:52 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.

Exactly.


Nonsense. If you just take the headline and perform a standard Fark reverse flip inversion on it, it reflects the exact meaning of the story. The headline is fully standard-compatible, and meets all Fark specifications.
 
2014-01-25 11:49:48 AM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.


This.
It has nothing to do with the idiot in the white house or the ACA
 
2014-01-25 11:50:01 AM
Health Care Program.
 
2014-01-25 11:50:33 AM

hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues

And yet, the people who don't have it won't be dying of preventable illness that someplace refuses to treat because of their lack of insurance.


No, instead they will die while waiting  for treatment with their "free health care". But hey, at least it is free.(well somebody is paying for it). So they are getting what they pay for.

Sweden-year-long waiting times for cancer patients
 
2014-01-25 11:50:50 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Why the Stupid Tag, subby? Are you employed by Obama's Derp?


No. But you are.
And you don't even know it.
That's just how good the bastard is.
 
2014-01-25 11:52:40 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Why the Stupid Tag, subby? Are you employed by Obama's Derp?


Stupid tag is for failmitter.
 
2014-01-25 11:56:33 AM
I imagine a shaman sprinkling tree bark over a broken leg.

It's better to think my way-and healthier since laughing extends one's lifespan.
 
2014-01-25 11:57:21 AM
I dont think the orthopedic surgeon I visited shortly after snapping my right achilles was especially versed in wilderness aid.

After discussing my upcoming surgery, I asked him what a doctor might do were the situation the same but we were living instead in the late 1800s.

He gestured like he was handing me something and said, "I'd say, Here's your cane".
 
2014-01-25 11:58:54 AM
Good. Dysentery is good for business.
 
2014-01-25 12:02:51 PM
Well done subby.   Its fun to witness people piss their pants when you dare say something about the Most Holy Black Man, His Worshipfulness and Flawless Leader, Barry Obama.
 
2014-01-25 12:03:25 PM

hasty ambush: Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues


So capitalism can work in OMGSOSHULIZMS. Top men have told me that's impossible.
 
2014-01-25 12:06:58 PM
Millions of Americans = 1 Canadian medical student.
 
2014-01-25 12:08:08 PM

JohnnyC: This article has nothing to do with Obamacare...

Just putting that out there so some of your don't get suckered by the subby who apparently can't write a 'funny' headline and instead opted for 'trollish'.

Otherwise... an interesting article.


The touchniness of its supporters is the metric I use to tell just how badly Obamacare is doing, so kudos to subby for concocting this litmus test.
 
2014-01-25 12:08:47 PM
Is it me or should the stupid tag apply to subby
 
2014-01-25 12:09:10 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. You took a reasonably informative article about something that's actually an excellent idea and managed to construct a headline that's completely unrelated to anything and yet still *feels* like it requires a response. Impressive work, subby.


Sooooo..... Pocket Ninja like headline detected?
 
2014-01-25 12:09:55 PM

BumpInTheNight: Yah well you spent decades allowing generations of people to be raised to trust some self-proclaimed spokesman of a sky puppet instead of logic and reason...guess what happens.


Know how we know you didn't read TFA, dearie?

(actually, this wilderness medicine thing sounds fascinating... and kind of important.)
 
2014-01-25 12:09:55 PM

MFAWG: hasty ambush: Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues

So capitalism can work in OMGSOSHULIZMS. Top men have told me that's impossible.



What top men?
 
2014-01-25 12:12:17 PM

Xanadone: BumpInTheNight: Yah well you spent decades allowing generations of people to be raised to trust some self-proclaimed spokesman of a sky puppet instead of logic and reason...guess what happens.

Know how we know you didn't read TFA, dearie?

(actually, this wilderness medicine thing sounds fascinating... and kind of important.)


There are articles?  I thought fark was kind of like an automatic madlib generator depending on trending american-centric culture, every few hours it just strings a few random words together based on their search hits or advertiser's wants and we all snark about the topic.
 
2014-01-25 12:19:26 PM
Quick!
Someone Reply All this to the Ukraine!
They need this, we don't
Right?
 
2014-01-25 12:23:08 PM
jjorsett:

The touchniness of its supporters is the metric I use to tell just how badly Obamacare is doing, so kudos to subby for concocting this litmus test.

LIKE
 
2014-01-25 12:26:43 PM
static1.wikia.nocookie.net

Need to make a new line below creationist to put subby.
 
2014-01-25 12:31:22 PM

Marshmallow Jones: Well done subby.   Its fun to witness people piss their pants when you dare say something about the Most Holy Black Man, His Worshipfulness and Flawless Leader, Barry Obama.


Obambi did not write Obamacare TM, he was hired to 'take the blame'
You really can't blame him for taking a lot of vacations, i don't.
All presidents are hired to do that, & receive the rooten eggs & tomatoes from the public, while the actual [non elected] rulers sit back, get fat & laugh.
 
2014-01-25 12:36:44 PM

Freschel: MFAWG: hasty ambush: Meanwhile in a health insurance article that will not get green lit:


Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues

So capitalism can work in OMGSOSHULIZMS. Top men have told me that's impossible.


What top men?


Top. Men.
 
2014-01-25 12:46:21 PM
I once tripped and hit my chin hard enough to gash it open.  The cut was very deep, a hospital would have easily recommended stitches.  There was so much blood it pooled in the palms of my hands when I put pressure on it, and it took an entire day before the bleeding slowed enough that I did not need to press a towel on it.

I have insurance, but hate hospitals, so instead when the bleeding slowed enough I pressed the cut together and coated it with super glue.  I know there is medical super glue out there, but I just used some regular hobby glue.

For three months I grew out a goatee so I wouldn't have to shave around the wound, and eventually felt it had healed enough to shave it off.  I fully expected a nice big scar, but the wound completely healed so well there is not even a line where the cut occurred.

Super glue has been a little first aid secret for years on small cuts, but I didn't know it would work so well on the injury I had.
 
2014-01-25 12:52:34 PM

Darkviking: I once tripped and hit my chin hard enough to gash it open.  The cut was very deep, a hospital would have easily recommended stitches.  There was so much blood it pooled in the palms of my hands when I put pressure on it, and it took an entire day before the bleeding slowed enough that I did not need to press a towel on it.

I have insurance, but hate hospitals, so instead when the bleeding slowed enough I pressed the cut together and coated it with super glue.  I know there is medical super glue out there, but I just used some regular hobby glue.

For three months I grew out a goatee so I wouldn't have to shave around the wound, and eventually felt it had healed enough to shave it off.  I fully expected a nice big scar, but the wound completely healed so well there is not even a line where the cut occurred.

Super glue has been a little first aid secret for years on small cuts, but I didn't know it would work so well on the injury I had.


More proof that some of the things we've been wrestling out of nature do work.
 
2014-01-25 12:52:51 PM
the cost of my plan at work went up almost $45 (every 2 weeks) "to cover the anticipated costs" of obamacare.
meanwhile, millions of poor will now be required to pay for insurance they won't be able to even use because of the high deductibles  for the "most affordable" plans.

fricking joke.
liberals are retards on this. not everything, but on this they are earning the moniker "libtards"
 
2014-01-25 01:32:23 PM
Basically the same as people and their 'herbal medicine' thing.

We tested all of the herbal medicine and do you know what we did with the stuff that actually worked?

We called it 'medicine'.
 
2014-01-25 01:35:54 PM

randomjsa: Basically the same as people and their 'herbal medicine' thing.

We tested all of the herbal medicine and do you know what we did with the stuff that actually worked?

We called it 'medicine'.


Um....You might want to read this if you feel like that.
 
2014-01-25 01:58:20 PM

Darkviking: I once tripped and hit my chin hard enough to gash it open.  The cut was very deep, a hospital would have easily recommended stitches.  There was so much blood it pooled in the palms of my hands when I put pressure on it, and it took an entire day before the bleeding slowed enough that I did not need to press a towel on it.

I have insurance, but hate hospitals, so instead when the bleeding slowed enough I pressed the cut together and coated it with super glue.  I know there is medical super glue out there, but I just used some regular hobby glue.

For three months I grew out a goatee so I wouldn't have to shave around the wound, and eventually felt it had healed enough to shave it off.  I fully expected a nice big scar, but the wound completely healed so well there is not even a line where the cut occurred.

Super glue has been a little first aid secret for years on small cuts, but I didn't know it would work so well on the injury I had.


Super glue is fantastic. I've put it on wounds of myself and family members that the ER docs would have certainly sutured. It provides good re approximation of the tissue as well as a decent barrier for infection. Beats the hell out of a bandage or dressing which just collects microbes. Scarring has been minimal, and it's way easier to slap some glue on a scared 4 year old versus passing a few stitches.

We also use it sometimes in ophthalmology. Very, very small penetrating eye wounds can sometimes be closed without sutures by gluing a contact lens onto the eye (not as bad as as sounds, comes off in 4-6 weeks). Other wounds cannot be closed well with even our smallest suture and require glue as well. I'm not sure there is a defined "medical super glue" because the stuff we use in the operating room is literally purchased at a hardware store.

Disclaimer: do not attempt to glue huge lacerations without medical supervision
 
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2014-01-25 01:59:55 PM

KRSESQ: Clemkadidlefark: Why the Stupid Tag, subby? Are you employed by Obama's Derp?

Stupid tag is for failmitter.


It's pretty good really.  I suspect we will soon see a similar line of argument from NRO and similar derp factories.
 
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