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(Sun Sentinel)   Rather than let a boy with cerebral palsy and chronic seizures bring his service dog to school, school board decides to discriminate against him by crafting new rules that ban service dogs because they could be "dangerous"   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 183
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2014-01-25 10:46:30 AM
Yea, that is not going to end well for that school board.
 
2014-01-25 10:49:17 AM
Not half as dangerous as this school board.
 
2014-01-25 10:50:15 AM
Aww, how cute. Someone wants to get fired and sued horribly.

ADA is a federal law, and requires that a service animal be permitted to enter with their person. Sure, you CAN request to see their documentation, but you're not even allowed to ask why they need the animal, or even the exact nature of their disability under privacy laws.

School, ya done farked up, son.
 
2014-01-25 10:50:52 AM
It's almost as if school board members are elected based upon their love of bureaucracy and their idiocy. Especially their idiocy.
 
2014-01-25 10:51:15 AM
School boards making fresh arguments for the death penalty.
 
2014-01-25 10:52:54 AM
Whats your game plan there chief?

Seriously, how do they think this wont blow up in their faces? It's baffling.
 
2014-01-25 10:53:31 AM

a_room_with_a_moose: It's almost as if school board members are elected based upon their love of bureaucracy and their idiocy. Especially their idiocy.


Like everyone who goes into politics, they have a deep seated psychosis that makes them want to fark over as many people as they can.
 
2014-01-25 10:55:07 AM
Lawsuit filed under ADA and Rehab. Act? Check

This little gem though,

"However, they said the School Board plans to discuss implementing a new service animal policy Tuesday. It would still require the child's guardian to provide a handler and include insurance requirements."

Sorry, school board, but your cunning plan isn't going to work.
 
2014-01-25 10:57:02 AM
Dogs smell bad
 
2014-01-25 10:57:23 AM

houstondragon: ADA is a federal law, and requires that a service animal be permitted to enter with their person. Sure, you CAN request to see their documentation, but you're not even allowed to ask why they need the animal, or even the exact nature of their disability under privacy laws.


I've always wondered - is there anything stopping say, everyone claiming their pet is a service animal and bringing it with them wherever they go?
 
2014-01-25 10:58:06 AM

Alebak: Whats your game plan there chief?

Seriously, how do they think this wont blow up in their faces? It's baffling.


Because another school also asks for a hadler for the dog, and no one had a fit there.
farking white trash mom trying to make a quick buck. I'm sorry she was a crack whore who didn't take her pregnancy seriously, but fark her.
 
2014-01-25 10:59:11 AM
Coincidentally enough, my own child has cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures (although they have been controlled for the past year after fine-tuning his medications).  We looked into a service dog for him, but ultimately decided against it.  The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occur, and can (sometimes) be trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.

My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide who is trained to recognize his seizures and administer his medication to stop the seizure.  It seems odd that the family would want to send the child with his dog that does the same thing that the school district should be providing an aide to to.

That said, the school board is acting quite stupidly.
 
2014-01-25 10:59:50 AM
I'm all for service dogs when they can help (seeing eye dogs for example)

But today you get the hickups and you get a "service dog".

WTF is the dog going to do about a seizure, call 9 woof woof?
 
2014-01-25 11:00:07 AM
To be fair, a service dog for seizures is extremely stupid. He apparently alerts people that a seizure is coming on and then starts licking the kid's face to supposedly calm him? What's the point of any of that?
 
2014-01-25 11:01:12 AM

cretinbob: Alebak: Whats your game plan there chief?

Seriously, how do they think this wont blow up in their faces? It's baffling.

Because another school also asks for a hadler for the dog, and no one had a fit there.
farking white trash mom trying to make a quick buck. I'm sorry she was a crack whore who didn't take her pregnancy seriously, but fark her.


6/10
 
2014-01-25 11:01:30 AM
School is hardly the place for an individual that requires total care.
With or without the dog.

Sober up ya jackwagons and tissues are on sale at Walmart.
 
2014-01-25 11:01:34 AM

helper_monkey: Coincidentally enough, my own child has cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures (although they have been controlled for the past year after fine-tuning his medications).  We looked into a service dog for him, but ultimately decided against it.  The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occur, and can (sometimes) be trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.

My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide who is trained to recognize his seizures and administer his medication to stop the seizure.  It seems odd that the family would want to send the child with his dog that does the same thing that the school district should be providing an aide to to.

That said, the school board is acting quite stupidly.


It's Florida, the fact that they didn't shoot the dog and thrown the kid in jail is big step forward for them.
 
2014-01-25 11:03:29 AM

snocone: School is hardly the place for an individual that requires total care.
With or without the dog.

Sober up ya jackwagons and tissues are on sale at Walmart.


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/oblig
 
2014-01-25 11:03:53 AM
This is why everyone elses kids are in classes with 30+, because of all the extra expense to mainstream kids who rightfully should be in a school that can assist them in becoming successful adults, not worried about making them "feel like everyone else".
 
2014-01-25 11:04:25 AM

helper_monkey: Coincidentally enough, my own child has cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures (although they have been controlled for the past year after fine-tuning his medications).  We looked into a service dog for him, but ultimately decided against it.  The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occur, and can (sometimes) be trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.

My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide who is trained to recognize his seizures and administer his medication to stop the seizure.  It seems odd that the family would want to send the child with his dog that does the same thing that the school district should be providing an aide to to.

That said, the school board is acting quite stupidly.


Does your child diaper him/herself? Walk? Talk? Feed itself.
This child is a total dependent, seizures are just the icing.
 
2014-01-25 11:04:41 AM

Tymast: helper_monkey: Coincidentally enough, my own child has cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures (although they have been controlled for the past year after fine-tuning his medications).  We looked into a service dog for him, but ultimately decided against it.  The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occur, and can (sometimes) be trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.

My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide who is trained to recognize his seizures and administer his medication to stop the seizure.  It seems odd that the family would want to send the child with his dog that does the same thing that the school district should be providing an aide to to.

That said, the school board is acting quite stupidly.

It's Florida, the fact that they didn't shoot the dog and thrown the kid in jail is big step forward for them.


They only shoot kids wearing hoodies.
 
2014-01-25 11:05:45 AM
helper_monkey

The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occurThe on the floor seizing bit isn't a tip off?

trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.
Ohh that sounds legit.


I wish your kid nothing but the best, but auras? Seriously?
 
2014-01-25 11:06:57 AM

trialpha: houstondragon: ADA is a federal law, and requires that a service animal be permitted to enter with their person. Sure, you CAN request to see their documentation, but you're not even allowed to ask why they need the animal, or even the exact nature of their disability under privacy laws.

I've always wondered - is there anything stopping say, everyone claiming their pet is a service animal and bringing it with them wherever they go?


Technically, no. They're not required to wear special tags or identification, and if someone claims their dog is a service animal, it's generally accepted at face value.

However, if the animal is excessively barking, growling or exhibits hostile and dangerous behaviors, the business had the right to have it removed from the premises. Service animals are trained to be around the public for this reason.

Also, only dogs, and in rare cases miniature ponies, can be service animals under the current ADA guidelines. Comfort animals are not protected (cats, birds, ferrets, etc)
 
2014-01-25 11:07:00 AM

zippythechimp: Dogs smell bad


And have pointy teeth, and neck and jaw muscles like slinghots bands, and can't be reasoned with on a bad day.
 
2014-01-25 11:07:16 AM
I soooo want to see these idiots in front of a judge. Being lectured while you're forced to say "yes sir, I'm sorry sir" is bad enough but to then have that published in every major national newspaper - magnifique.
 
2014-01-25 11:08:02 AM
Hopefully Superintendent Woundwort will overturn this.
 
2014-01-25 11:09:00 AM
Rotluchs
2014-01-25 11:03:53 AM


This is why everyone elses kids are in classes with 30+, because of all the extra expense to mainstream kids who rightfully should be in a school that can assist them in becoming successful adults, not worried about making them "feel like everyone else".

Classroom size has nothing to do with the problem of trying to mainstream kids. Two different issues.
 
2014-01-25 11:09:10 AM

snocone: School is hardly the place for an individual that requires total care.
With or without the dog.

Sober up ya jackwagons and tissues are on sale at Walmart.


Wrong. School is for every child. Every. Child. This does not mean mainstreaming (which is not the boogeyman it's made out to be), but it does mean providing every child with an education commiserate with their ability. What would you rather, a return to institutionalization or, worse, confinement to the home where absolutely no growth of any kind will occur? And who gets to decide who "belongs" in school? You?
 
2014-01-25 11:10:36 AM
I served on a Board of Finance in my town and the conservatives hated paying for special needs.  Every single year one of the rocket scientist on the board would note how much we could lower the tax rate if we simply refused to provide the services.  Their hope was that families with special needs kids would find it easier to move than sue.
 
2014-01-25 11:11:27 AM

OnlyM3: helper_monkey

The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occurThe on the floor seizing bit isn't a tip off?

trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.
Ohh that sounds legit.


I wish your kid nothing but the best, but auras? Seriously?


That would be why I put it in quotes.  The literature on these types of service dogs talks about detection of auras but I haven't been able to find a lot of reliable medical literature that says they exist.

That said, my wife and I became pretty good at noticing pre-cursors to my son's seizures.
 
2014-01-25 11:12:07 AM

helper_monkey: ...
My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide ...

You're welcome.

/all the taxpayers whose kids DON'T get special treatment
 
2014-01-25 11:12:19 AM
so the dog licks his face to calm him down, why can't the teacher do that?
i do not recall ever seeing a paramedic licking some one to calm them down!!
if the aid is one on one here who needs a dog to alert, someone is there.


/i used to work at walmart and would watch the little "service" dogs with a vest and the owner would tell everyone to come over and pet it....that is not what the dog was for it was for attention!!!
//seeing eye dog yes and not in favor for anything else
 
2014-01-25 11:13:17 AM

snocone: helper_monkey: Coincidentally enough, my own child has cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures (although they have been controlled for the past year after fine-tuning his medications).  We looked into a service dog for him, but ultimately decided against it.  The purpose of the service dog for those with seizure disorders is that the dog is trained to alert others to a seizure should one occur, and can (sometimes) be trained to detect pre-seizure "aura" and alert others before the seizure occurs.

My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide who is trained to recognize his seizures and administer his medication to stop the seizure.  It seems odd that the family would want to send the child with his dog that does the same thing that the school district should be providing an aide to to.

That said, the school board is acting quite stupidly.

Does your child diaper him/herself? Walk? Talk? Feed itself.
This child is a total dependent, seizures are just the icing.


Sorry, I should have been more specific: the one-on-one aide handles all of that as well as being trained to recognize seizures and administer medication.  My point with respect to this story is that, even if we had a service dog, we wouldn't be looking to send it to school with my son, that's what the aide is for.
 
2014-01-25 11:15:42 AM

houstondragon: Aww, how cute. Someone wants to get fired and sued horribly.

ADA is a federal law, and requires that a service animal be permitted to enter with their person. Sure, you CAN request to see their documentation, but you're not even allowed to ask why they need the animal, or even the exact nature of their disability under privacy laws.

School, ya done farked up, son.


Remember, all Federal Laws are a tool of that horrible communist socialist fascist 0bama and his radical Christian Muslim empty suit puppet mastermind ways.
 
2014-01-25 11:21:32 AM

EZ1923: snocone: School is hardly the place for an individual that requires total care.
With or without the dog.

Sober up ya jackwagons and tissues are on sale at Walmart.

Wrong. School is for every child. Every. Child. This does not mean mainstreaming (which is not the boogeyman it's made out to be), but it does mean providing every child with an education commiserate with their ability. What would you rather, a return to institutionalization or, worse, confinement to the home where absolutely no growth of any kind will occur? And who gets to decide who "belongs" in school? You?


Good way to doom "school".
You should read some Vonnegut and take it to heart.
Those children need a place where their needs are met.
"School" ain't it. "School" can't deal with what is already on their plate.
More and more severely disabled children survive and have needs that were fatal previously.
This issue needs YOUR help and WORK.
 
2014-01-25 11:22:12 AM
So the article describes the dog as a "medium-sized terrier". It looks like it's a mixed breed with a healthy helping of Pitbull, and the dogs name is 'Stevie', making me think it's a male. So you're gonna bring your Male Bully-Mix breed into a class full of little kids with no animal handler and no insurance? I'm all for kids having therapy dogs, but it's an unregulated industry. There's no 'official' service-dog group, and anybody can buy one of those 'service dog' vests for their mutt. (I know this because my Mother In Law decided she wanted a vest for her snippy full sized male poodle.

And of course having a 40lb dog on campus with a bunch of kids should require an insurance policy. Do you expect the school to pay for facial reconstruction after somebody decides to step on the dogs tail?
 
2014-01-25 11:23:12 AM
I have friends in the leisure/travel business.  They can go on for quite awhile about recent abuses of regular protocol by people claiming Service Dogs.  And, yes, some of the Service Dogs are dangerous, territorial Cujo's.  They reckon that a majority of Service Dog claims are bogus.

Service Dogs are an area that is severely abused by a growing number of people.  There needs to be a more rational arrangement for Service Dogs.
 
2014-01-25 11:23:56 AM
42 lb terrier ? Wtf breed is that?
 
2014-01-25 11:28:16 AM
Oh crap! Timmy is down the well, again.
 
2014-01-25 11:32:12 AM
 A lot of people may think that dog looks like it may have some boxer or pit in it.
The schoolboard may just be reacting to the concerns of the community at large.

"Sharief has worked mostly on health care and  aggressive-dog issues since her 2010 election to the County Commission."
 
2014-01-25 11:32:23 AM
WTP 2:
/i used to work at walmart and would watch the little "service" dogs with a vest and the owner would tell everyone to come over and pet it....that is not what the dog was for it was for attention!!!
//seeing eye dog yes and not in favor for anything else


Thank goodness you know the ONLY thing service animals are good for.

Screw the deaf!

Or those with MS

Or quadriplegics

They're just all out to get attention at Walmart!
 
2014-01-25 11:33:59 AM
I'm going to disagree with the crowd here. The kid is profoundly disabled and cannot handle or command the dog in any way shape or form. The parents have put the school in the position of either making it the teacher's responsibility to watch, feed, and let the dog outside to take a leak, or the school needs to hire an additional person to handle the dog. This is in addition to the full-time aid her son already has. The mother says:

"When you are dealing with a seriously disabled child like Anthony, you're feeding, you're toileting, you're doing all these personal services," he said. "It would be no problem for that to be an additional duty."

But how is the school supposed to FORCE one of their already underpaid aids to handle a dog in addition to her other duties? What if she has no experience with dogs? What if she doesn't like dogs? Are they supposed to find a different aid? Public school districts are not farking made out of money, and frankly I don't think a child this severely disabled, to the point where he cannot feed himself or use the toilet, should be mainstreamed in the first place.
 
2014-01-25 11:37:10 AM

MemeSlave: helper_monkey: ...
My child goes to public school and has a one-on-one aide ...
You're welcome.

/all the taxpayers whose kids DON'T get special treatment


I've had like 3 responses typed up for this post and deleted them all because I can't quite put into words how ugly of a person you sound like.

I think you, snocone, and OnlyM3 are alts, and you're all really Dick Cheney.
 
2014-01-25 11:40:11 AM

zippythechimp: Dogs smell bad


my new 6 week old mastiff smells soooo good. new puppy smell is better than new car smell.
 
2014-01-25 11:40:19 AM

Need_MindBleach: I'm going to disagree with the crowd here. The kid is profoundly disabled and cannot handle or command the dog in any way shape or form. The parents have put the school in the position of either making it the teacher's responsibility to watch, feed, and let the dog outside to take a leak, or the school needs to hire an additional person to handle the dog. This is in addition to the full-time aid her son already has. The mother says:

"When you are dealing with a seriously disabled child like Anthony, you're feeding, you're toileting, you're doing all these personal services," he said. "It would be no problem for that to be an additional duty."

But how is the school supposed to FORCE one of their already underpaid aids to handle a dog in addition to her other duties? What if she has no experience with dogs? What if she doesn't like dogs? Are they supposed to find a different aid? Public school districts are not farking made out of money, and frankly I don't think a child this severely disabled, to the point where he cannot feed himself or use the toilet, should be mainstreamed in the first place.


I feel that this standpoint, however, is eloquently put, and while one may not agree with it is at least well thought out instead of unmitigated derp
 
2014-01-25 11:46:27 AM
School's gonna lose, kid's gonna get a payout, and get to keep their dog at school.

The community will lose more, as their taxes will increase to pay for this shiat, because the school thinks they are above federal law, and the school board thinks this kid's service dog is a danger, even though there appears to be no other rationale for this other than the kid's dog MIGHT have some pitt or boxer in it.

And a whole bunch of farkers will complain about the injustice of a little boy having his service dog at school, because reasons.
 
2014-01-25 11:47:24 AM

zippythechimp: Dogs smell bad


And kids don't?
 
2014-01-25 11:51:02 AM

vicioushobbit: School's gonna lose, kid's gonna get a payout, and get to keep their dog at school.

The community will lose more, as their taxes will increase to pay for this shiat, because the school thinks they are above federal law, and the school board thinks this kid's service dog is a danger, even though there appears to be no other rationale for this other than the kid's dog MIGHT have some pitt or boxer in it.

And a whole bunch of farkers will complain about the injustice of a little boy having his service dog at school, because reasons.


Ah, well.  Just cut more services for the normal kids.  You know, the ones that actually have futures that don't solely involve converting applesauce to sh*t.
 
2014-01-25 11:52:13 AM
Doucebaggery abounds, school board.
 
2014-01-25 11:53:08 AM

EZ1923: snocone: School is hardly the place for an individual that requires total care.
With or without the dog.

Sober up ya jackwagons and tissues are on sale at Walmart.

Wrong. School is for every child. Every. Child. This does not mean mainstreaming (which is not the boogeyman it's made out to be), but it does mean providing every child with an education commiserate with their ability. What would you rather, a return to institutionalization or, worse, confinement to the home where absolutely no growth of any kind will occur? And who gets to decide who "belongs" in school? You?


That may be the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. Using excessive periods doesn't make anything you write any less stupid. You want every member of every school to be cross trained medically so they can care for every single person with every single condition? Awesome! Because schools are all drowning in money and there's way too many teachers out there so lets thin the heard by putting out ridiculous requirements.

School is not for every child, and forcing children with extensive needs to go to standard schools hurts everybody
 
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