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(Metro)   It isn't often that street protests are described as "apocalyptic" but these photos of the riots tearing Kiev apart are a blazing exception   (metro.co.uk) divider line 48
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2014-01-25 11:06:37 AM
7 votes:
Hey, 1% are you getting this?
2014-01-25 11:25:32 AM
3 votes:
I have to believe if not for the Olympics Russian tanks would already be rolling.
2014-01-25 11:15:34 AM
3 votes:
It can happen in a socialist state, because people have nothing to lose - anything destroyed, anyone injured, the tab will be picked up by society.

In the US people have too much personal investment in their lives, so they won't risk this type of open warfare.  Plus the US government is better organized and more vengeful.
2014-01-25 11:52:56 AM
2 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


".. the argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy .."
- Carrol Quigley, Ph.D., Fellow, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University .. the man whom Bill Clinton claimed as his most important influence
2014-01-25 11:35:42 AM
2 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


Your hopes that you can take their money will be dashed. No American revolution will happen for the sake of taking the property of others. Go make a living.
2014-01-25 11:29:52 AM
2 votes:

lazymojo: 2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia.  Who knows what that could be,


So what you are saying that Obama did a deal with Putin, and then told Fox News to stop showing much about the Kiev riots and they said "Yes, Mr President, anything you say, Mr President"?
2014-01-25 11:25:40 AM
2 votes:
That's because this isn't a protest, it's a revolution.
2014-01-25 11:23:36 AM
2 votes:
some of those "protestors" hurling molotovs look more like the riot police themselves/agents provocateurs.

I didn't know protestors came equipped with matching camo, kevlar vests, helmets and gas masks...

farking media.  not sure why the Western media has started downplaying this... I was reading more coverage and support prior to the riots breaking out.  you'd think the Western gov'ts would've cranked up their condemnations of Yanukovich's regime after they started shooting protestors, but I guess not.  my thoughts are either:

1.) given the income disparity and shiatty economic conditions pretty much everywhere in the world right now, NO government wants its people seeing images of civil unrest, regardless of whether they are friendly to Ukraine/Russia or not..

or

2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia.  Who knows what that could be,
2014-01-25 11:21:45 AM
2 votes:

MemeSlave: It can happen in a socialist state, because people have nothing to lose - anything destroyed, anyone injured, the tab will be picked up by society.

In the US people have too much personal investment in their lives, so they won't risk this type of open warfare.  Plus the US government is better organized and more vengeful.


Feeding trolls, etc,..

Why does everyone think that socialism means nobody owns any property? Furthermore, why does anyone think that current "socialist" countries are actually socialist?

Go to Vietnam (one of the few self-proclaimed socialist states) and steal someone's motorcycle. They're not going to just let you walk away because "society will pick up the tab"
2014-01-25 11:17:32 AM
2 votes:
They want freedom and they know that allying with Russia is about as far from freedom as they're going to get.  Putin wants to rule with an iron fist over all of the former Soviet Union and the only thing stopping him from using troops to achieve his goals is the chance that the world would step in to stop him.
2014-01-25 11:14:10 AM
2 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


Yeah, why do you think we're not bothering to build anything any more? The 99% will just burn it all down.

/enjoy your ashes of civilization, kids
2014-01-25 11:13:12 AM
2 votes:
A lot of those pictures, particularly those of people in gas masks, look like the background footage from that cartoon movie Wizards that came out in like 1982.
2014-01-25 10:33:27 AM
2 votes:
Fallout: Ukraine
2014-01-25 10:00:43 PM
1 votes:

Farty McPooPants: sexorcisst: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x450]

That is a damned fine hat.  Americans know how to rock a hat.

And thank you, TheBigJerk, for that reply.  Sounds like the police are using a containment strategy to keep things from boiling over and causing that coalition to form.   Things could get real ugly real fast if Putin were to decide to step in and go all Hungarian Uprising on them.  No one could claim he didn't move in at the request of the people when no one knows who is actually speaking for the people.  So, keep them fractured and fighting amongst themselves and that keeps the tanks from rolling and the wholesale rape to a minimum.
The whole thing sounds hellish.


Eh, maybe.  The impressions I'm getting are that Viktor Y. the Second (this will not stop being funny) is only barely clinging to power by loudly and roundly denying and Mansplaining that he just keeps tripping and falling on Putin's cock instead of intentionally slurping away.  Putin rolls in and suddenly all the locals have one great big and universally-hated target instead of a bunch of crooks trying to out-sleaze and outmaneuver each other.   I mean they aren't the Kurds, they don't want to murder their neighbors, just rob them a little.

But I'm some southern white boy in Texas so what the fark do I actually know?
2014-01-25 08:45:26 PM
1 votes:
Yanukovych is a coward. He is weak.
2014-01-25 06:05:02 PM
1 votes:

snocone: Chris45215: Sadly, it looks like things will get worse in Ukraine before they get better.

Also, credit where credit is due, that is an AMAZING photographer.   Or, he's a really good photographer who is also really good at touching-up the photo with photoshop.  And by touching-up, I just mean working with the lighting, colors, filters, etc. to get the most from the image - generally legitimate stuff.  I'm no expert, but I'd guess that its probably the later case, as those pictures look more vibrant than real life.

Wag the Dog is a real thing.


What about Rape the Cat?
2014-01-25 04:52:32 PM
1 votes:
Sadly, it looks like things will get worse in Ukraine before they get better.

Also, credit where credit is due, that is an AMAZING photographer.   Or, he's a really good photographer who is also really good at touching-up the photo with photoshop.  And by touching-up, I just mean working with the lighting, colors, filters, etc. to get the most from the image - generally legitimate stuff.  I'm no expert, but I'd guess that its probably the later case, as those pictures look more vibrant than real life.
2014-01-25 04:18:23 PM
1 votes:

Farty McPooPants: At what point do the police bow to the will of the people?  After all, they are technically civilians themselves.  They are now simply making themselves obsolete and potential fugitives when the next government comes into power.  It seems that the rule of law has broken down and civil war has erupted.  What role do the police now have, who do they serve?


Well the nice lady posting a few days ago explained that Ukraine is still largely tribal politics.  Different states all trying to con their way to the top and then give huge handouts to their people while telling the rest to piss up a rope and turning to Don Putin's Russian Mafia whenever shiat isn't going their way enough.

So we've got a man who poisoned his opponent with Agent Orange and known to have committed acts of thuggery (and a rapist, because why not?) who has a slim coalition of power players working with him while farking over the rest.

And even that is an over-simplification, President Viktor Yanukovich lost the first go-round to Viktor Yuschenko (who helped him jail Yulia Tymoshenko I believe AFTER the poisoning because the enemy of my enemy is fark you too biatch) got around 35% of the vote because the other groups couldn't form enough of a coalition to beat him.  And Yanukovich was talking up and promising sunshine and rainbows and European playdates out his ass, but instead of ass-rainbows he keeps giving playoffs to Pooty-Poot because he keeps coming up short and asking the Mafia for more "favors" to solve his problems.

The protesters can burn shiat, they could probably even win a vote of No Confidence if it existed in their constitution but they can't organize and when it came time for an election they'd probably just watch Yanukovich go right back into power.  Or someone they hate even more.

And I'm not an expert, this is like layer 2 of 30 or something.
2014-01-25 03:16:07 PM
1 votes:
Lots of self-restraint ( rules of engagement ) for the Riot Police NOT to shoot back often/ so much... when the protestors have both the gas-bombs and guns/ clubs/spears/ etc... and the farking Trebuchet! Wowza, going all medieval on their a$$... but still not a lot of protestor casualties due to police gunfire/ return fire/ self defense.
2014-01-25 03:09:52 PM
1 votes:

snocone: xria: lazymojo: 2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia.  Who knows what that could be,

So what you are saying that Obama did a deal with Putin, and then told Fox News to stop showing much about the Kiev riots and they said "Yes, Mr President, anything you say, Mr President"?

What if I were to tell you that both Obama and the Whore Media have the same employer and it has nuttin to do with your puny vote thingie?


What if I were to tell you that, despite your conspiracy theories, most people involved in politics  actually believe in what they're saying?

/I mean, most right-wingers are wingnuts, but they'll stand up for their beliefs no matter what the cost.
2014-01-25 02:54:58 PM
1 votes:

lazymojo: I didn't know protestors came equipped with matching camo, kevlar vests, helmets and gas masks...


Turn on your cable TV and check out Duck Dynasty, Doomsday Preppers, whatever Ted Nugent's show was...it's really not all that uncommon for a human to have military-like stuffs like lying around.

Plus, it's Eastern Europe, they probably just went and borrowed their older brother's leftovers from the last ethnic cleansing or something.
2014-01-25 01:41:59 PM
1 votes:

MemeSlave: It can happen in a socialist state, because people have nothing to lose - anything destroyed, anyone injured, the tab will be picked up by society.

In the US people have too much personal investment in their lives, so they won't risk this type of open warfare.  Plus the US government is better organized and more vengeful.


Detroit in the late 1960s was hardly a socialist state. And riots happened there. Lots of riots. All it takes is pushing people to the point where they have nothing to lose. If too much power/goods/freedom is taken away from a large enough group, this can happen.
2014-01-25 01:15:38 PM
1 votes:

Forbidden Doughnut: Standard Deviant: snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?

Your hopes that you can take their money will be dashed. No American revolution will happen for the sake of taking the property of others. Go make a living.

I wonder how many of the French nobility said similar things prior to 1789?

/ IIRC, the French revolution was started by the middle-class
// then it got out of control...


And strangely, the French Revolution ran out of money within the first week.

/and putting Robespierre himself to the guillotine didn't bring it back
//something something cutting open the goose that laid the golden egg
2014-01-25 12:51:46 PM
1 votes:

lazymojo: some of those "protestors" hurling molotovs look more like the riot police themselves/agents provocateurs.

I didn't know protestors came equipped with matching camo, kevlar vests, helmets and gas masks...

farking media.  not sure why the Western media has started downplaying this... I was reading more coverage and support prior to the riots breaking out.  you'd think the Western gov'ts would've cranked up their condemnations of Yanukovich's regime after they started shooting protestors, but I guess not.  my thoughts are either:

1.) given the income disparity and shiatty economic conditions pretty much everywhere in the world right now, NO government wants its people seeing images of civil unrest, regardless of whether they are friendly to Ukraine/Russia or not..

or

2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia.  Who knows what that could be,


There were pics a few days ago showing police making Molotov cocktails.
And I too am wary about the possible reasons the West is downplaying events. The working photojournalists are rocking out HARD tho.
2014-01-25 12:50:59 PM
1 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


Is OWS still going on or has that petered out?  Last time I checked, I actually recognized one of the 'spokespersons', and they were a silver spoon child from a 1% neighborhood.
2014-01-25 12:17:05 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Clemkadidlefark: snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?

".. the argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy .."
- Carrol Quigley, Ph.D., Fellow, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University .. the man whom Bill Clinton claimed as his most important influence

Can you name the similar policies of the two parties? I'll wait.


Take your money.
2014-01-25 12:08:20 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?

".. the argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy .."
- Carrol Quigley, Ph.D., Fellow, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University .. the man whom Bill Clinton claimed as his most important influence


Can you name the similar policies of the two parties? I'll wait.
2014-01-25 12:04:21 PM
1 votes:
How many Americans have nothing to lose?

Frank Zappa sez:
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times,
And I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
That it can't happen here
Who could imagine that they would freak out somewhere in kansas...
Who could imagine that they would freak out in minnesota...
That they would freak out in washington, d.c.
It can't happen here
Everybody's safe and it can't happen here
No freaks for us
Everybody's clean and it can't happen here
I'm telling you it can't
It won't happen here
You're safe, mama
Oh, we're gonna get a tv dinner and cook it up
Oh, and it won't happen here
Man you guys are really safe
Everything's cool).
Who could imagine
That they would freak out in the suburbs
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)

And they thought it couldn't happen here
(duh duh duh duh duh)
They knew it couldn't happen here
They were so sure it couldn't happen here
2014-01-25 11:59:13 AM
1 votes:

MemeSlave: It can happen in a socialist state, because people have nothing to lose - anything destroyed, anyone injured, the tab will be picked up by society.

In the US people have too much personal investment in their lives, so they won't risk this type of open warfare.  Plus the US government is better organized and more vengeful.


Uhuh...

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

2014-01-25 11:46:58 AM
1 votes:

snocone: cameroncrazy1984: snocone: You suck at labeling.
Go back to your pigeonhole.

I must be right.

OK, why?


Because you didn't offer a response other than to tell me that I suck.
2014-01-25 11:43:13 AM
1 votes:

snocone: You suck at labeling.
Go back to your pigeonhole.


I must be right.
2014-01-25 11:42:44 AM
1 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


That the youth in the Ukraine will riot violently for far less than the youth in the US accepted without blinking?

Yeah, they got that.
2014-01-25 11:41:08 AM
1 votes:

snocone: Taking their money is not possible.
Burning all the money is.
Guess which course will be next.


You are aware that a majority of currency in the US isn't...y'know, physical.

Oh who am I kidding, you're a conspiracy theorist so of course you don't have an awareness of reality.
2014-01-25 11:40:28 AM
1 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


Give us what we want, or we'll burn down our own homes!!!
2014-01-25 11:38:58 AM
1 votes:

Standard Deviant: snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?

Your hopes that you can take their money will be dashed. No American revolution will happen for the sake of taking the property of others. Go make a living.


Taking their money is not possible.
Burning all the money is.
Guess which course will be next.
2014-01-25 11:32:13 AM
1 votes:

lazymojo: TomD9938: snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?


What are they supposed to take from this?  That this is what happens when countries dont join the EU and try to buddy up instead to Russia?

You are apparently unfamiliar with the current Ukrainian government/kleptocracy...

They don't know enough to call massive handouts from the central exchequer "bailouts" or "subsidies"


Call it what it really is, EXTORTION by the Too Big To Fail.
And this is what it leads to.
Check yer history.
2014-01-25 11:32:12 AM
1 votes:

lazymojo: 2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia.  Who knows what that could be,


Citation?
2014-01-25 11:27:06 AM
1 votes:
img.fark.net

Good to see you know what the people REALLY want to see, Metro!
2014-01-25 11:25:54 AM
1 votes:
Jeebus! That is awful looking, looks like a movie set. Still nothing on the news about Ukraine, just the cold weather, Bieber and the Olymipics. I did see a tidbit about the state of the union today.

Good luck to anyone there.
2014-01-25 11:25:19 AM
1 votes:

snocone: Hey, 1% are you getting this?



What are they supposed to take from this?  That this is what happens when countries dont join the EU and try to buddy up instead to Russia?
2014-01-25 11:21:30 AM
1 votes:
It looks like it is leading in the direction of a civil war.  But the opposition do not have a majority, so it could be a totalitarian crackdown.
2014-01-25 11:20:38 AM
1 votes:
Looks like a DLC for Metro: Last Light.
2014-01-25 11:17:53 AM
1 votes:
I would be upset with Putin getting his grubby hands into the root of my government as well.
2014-01-25 11:15:14 AM
1 votes:
"Some people just want to watch the world burn"
2014-01-25 11:13:58 AM
1 votes:
all of this world is a pendulum

and when power is consolidated and abused, after a degree it must and will be challenged by those who are oppressed by it.

I hope I don't have to live to see the same here. because often power is challenged many times unsuccessfully before enough martyrs exist to provide the will to finish the job. and that usually equates to a large amount of civilian death

g/l civilians
2014-01-25 11:11:54 AM
1 votes:
2014-01-25 11:06:07 AM
1 votes:
Some parts of Detroit look like that...

and L.A. after the OJ Simpson murder trial
2014-01-25 10:48:58 AM
1 votes:
Holy shiat.
 
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