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(AZ Family)   As part of his efforts to promote patriotism in his jails, Sheriff Joe Arpaio puts inmates on a bread and water diet if they deface the American flag decals he makes mandatory in every cell   (azfamily.com) divider line 172
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2014-01-25 06:26:38 PM  

TerminalEchoes: hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?

Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Lemme see,,,
uninteresting
young
white
suburban
privileged and entitled
stop me when i get warm

just kidding
 
2014-01-25 06:31:45 PM  
Just ask around, almost all of those prisoners would tell you they are innocent.
Whose word?

'Till we get to that judge thing, they are innocent and deserve to be treated humanely.
Since I have on occasion been asked to medically treat/examine/report to the court on "unconvicted" "felons", I am getting a kick out of
 
2014-01-25 06:35:14 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Try drug and alcohol testing on politicians first. Better the poor spend welfare money on dope, rather then spending the money they made ransacking your home on drugs.


Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.
 
2014-01-25 06:47:38 PM  

snocone: Just ask around, almost all of those prisoners would tell you they are innocent.
Whose word?

'Till we get to that judge thing, they are innocent and deserve to be treated humanely.
Since I have on occasion been asked to medically treat/examine/report to the court on "unconvicted" "felons", I am getting a kick out of


hate to break it to you (or maybe it's just bad phrasing) but even when they're guilty they still deserve to be treated humanely.
 
2014-01-25 06:51:44 PM  
cards fan by association:
Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.

Well, it's a good thing that the drug rate among welfare recipients is lower than the general population, now, isn't it?
 
2014-01-25 06:56:28 PM  

pueblonative: cards fan by association:
Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.

Well, it's a good thing that the drug rate among welfare recipients is lower than the general population, now, isn't it?


I wasn't suggesting the contrary. My original question wasn't meant to make a point. It was just a question.
 
2014-01-25 07:12:28 PM  

Glitchwerks: Reading the comments in the link make me want to move to another country.


If you think this is bad, the WND version of this article actually has commenters screeching that Joe is being too soft and is coddling the inmates by not forcing them to eat their prison loaf off the ground like wild animals.  Apparently, a certain percentage of the population won't rest until we're actively torturing offenders to death in the town square,

I don't think there's a country far enough away for me to move to, unless it's on Mars.
 
2014-01-25 07:44:06 PM  

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


It's a violation of the 4th amendment prohibiting unlawful search & seizure. You cannot reasonably suspect a welfare recipient of being a drug addict simply on the basis of them applying for welfare. This differs from being drug-tested for employment in that you enter into an agreement with an employer and sign a document or application giving them permission to test you.
 
2014-01-25 08:43:01 PM  

cards fan by association: I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients?


You're okay with drug testing welfare recipients, how do you feel about drug testing politicians and the heads of major corporations such as Wal-Mart? Not only do they receive welfare, they receive it on a much grander scale than individuals.
 
2014-01-25 08:50:07 PM  

cards fan by association: a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?

Absolutely not, but I think there are better ways to take care of them than funding their father's alcohism.


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, since drug tests aren't going to be looking for alcohol.
 
2014-01-25 08:53:14 PM  

cards fan by association: teenage mutant ninja rapist: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Try drug and alcohol testing on politicians first. Better the poor spend welfare money on dope, rather then spending the money they made ransacking your home on drugs.

Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.


So you'd rather have poor, desperate drug addicts stealing from you?

Have fun with that. I'd rather have a functioning society, thanks, and fiddle-farting around with what poor people might be doing in their spare time is the last way to go about that. It's a meaningless distraction, but it gives you a group of people to somehow feel superior to, so you're going to stick with that line of thinking no matter what anybody else has to say to you.
 
2014-01-25 08:55:09 PM  

cards fan by association: "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.


Paying welfare to people who have jobs that refuse to pay them a living wage is a much, much bigger waste of money than one poor person in 100 spending their money on xboxes and weed.
 
2014-01-25 09:51:22 PM  

yakmans_dad: Duke_leto_Atredes: They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.

Really? You actually believe that?

Sarcasam we has it

// Fresh fish Fresh fish

 
2014-01-25 10:59:30 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Sometimes, I wish people who believe this would meet their local Officer Friendly, and get their ass tazed into submission for no reason.

But, considering you live in Phoenix, I'm sure that's more of a possibility than you are willing to think about.
 
2014-01-25 11:08:38 PM  

pedalphile: The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use.

Putting the flag on decals is against the rules of flag handling etiquette.  Said rules passed by the US government.  Joe should be put in solitary and fed nutraloaf and water for the next thirty days for doing so.

/if someone already pointed out the flag rules, sorry, I missed it.  Can't find my reading glasses.


The flag code is more of a guideline than a code.
 
2014-01-25 11:13:22 PM  

TerminalEchoes: hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?

Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Another "Patriot" with a clear understanding of both the Constitution and legal process.

/The only lernin' we need is USA #1 !
 
2014-01-26 12:52:54 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?


In Arizona?  Really farking stupid!
 
2014-01-26 06:23:23 AM  

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.
 
2014-01-26 08:25:55 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: cards fan by association: I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients?

You're okay with drug testing welfare recipients, how do you feel about drug testing politicians and the heads of major corporations such as Wal-Mart? Not only do they receive welfare, they receive it on a much grander scale than individuals.


It was a question, I see that a few people have taken it as something else. Lighten up, Francis.
 
2014-01-26 12:20:42 PM  

Wrencher: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.


that isn't exactly true,
many that claim that as fact point to the attempt to drug test recipients in florida.
the reason the program was a net loss was that a judge blocked the enforcement and forced the state to pay the drug takers retroactively.

i think pot should be legal, but if you are smoking pot, you are taking benefits while making yourself unemployable on purpose.
if you don't think there is something wrong with that, there is no point in discussing the merits or legality of such programs.
 
2014-01-26 04:06:35 PM  

Popular Opinion: Wrencher: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.

that isn't exactly true,
many that claim that as fact point to the attempt to drug test recipients in florida.
the reason the program was a net loss was that a judge blocked the enforcement and forced the state to pay the drug takers retroactively.

i think pot should be legal, but if you are smoking pot, you are taking benefits while making yourself unemployable on purpose.
if you don't think there is something wrong with that, there is no point in discussing the merits or legality of such programs.


drug testing saved $350,000 in utah.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765637435/Utah-officials-say-welf ar e-drug-tests-save-money.html
they do not test everyone, and they do not test randomly
btw, they don't deny benefits, they simply require drug abuse treatment for those that test positive
recipients only lose benefits if they refuse to comply with treatment or counseling requirements.

there is so much disinformation out there, it is not surprising our fellow farkers have the opinions they do.
 
A7
2014-01-26 07:02:07 PM  
Having spent time in one of Sheriff Joe's prisons, Durango to be precise, "bread and water" is a step up in terms of the usual fare.
 
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