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(AZ Family)   As part of his efforts to promote patriotism in his jails, Sheriff Joe Arpaio puts inmates on a bread and water diet if they deface the American flag decals he makes mandatory in every cell   (azfamily.com) divider line 172
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2014-01-25 10:30:58 AM
I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

2.  He has not been killed yet.  Seriously, it amazes me to no end that he and his family are still alive.  I cannot imagine that he has an entourage of heavily armed guards around him and his family 100% of the time.  There also has to be more than one former inmate who would gladly go back to prison if it meant causing some sort of pain for him and his family.
 
2014-01-25 10:42:34 AM

Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

2.  He has not been killed yet.  Seriously, it amazes me to no end that he and his family are still alive.  I cannot imagine that he has an entourage of heavily armed guards around him and his family 100% of the time.  There also has to be more than one former inmate who would gladly go back to prison if it meant causing some sort of pain for him and his family.


1. He's been sued plenty and DOJ is still after him.
2. He travels with a posse of bodyguards

We can only hope they'll manage to throw his ass in jail before he dies of old age

Sheriff Joe's patriotism would be much more impressive if he believed in things like the Constitution.
 
2014-01-25 10:43:11 AM

Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.


A. Thank the Snowbirds who don't have to pay for Schmoe Arpayoso's crap
B. He has been sued, multiple times
C. justice Department dropped their investigation a while back.

As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.
 
2014-01-25 11:01:14 AM

pueblonative: Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

A. Thank the Snowbirds who don't have to pay for Schmoe Arpayoso's crap
B. He has been sued, multiple times
C. justice Department dropped their investigation a while back.

As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.


Well I stand corrected.
 
2014-01-25 11:07:47 AM

edmo: We can only hope they'll manage to throw his ass in jail before he dies of old age


Considering the Feds have found that he has intentionally mismanaged federal grant money, that might happen sooner than you might think.
 
2014-01-25 11:27:29 AM
I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?
 
2014-01-25 11:31:07 AM
"Sheriff Arpaio is a Korean War veteran and a big patriot fascist," said Chrisopher Hegstrom, a spokesman for the Sheriff's Office.

FTFY
 
2014-01-25 11:36:17 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?


In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.
 
2014-01-25 12:27:30 PM
I think you people are being entirely too hard on Sheriff Joe. He and the rest of the GOP are not the fascist assholes many of you imagine. They are reaching out every single day and extending an olive branch of peace and inclusiveness. Today's GOP wants everyone to know that they are not heartless bastards with souls as black as an unlit dungeon.

You libtards are delusional in thinking that today's conservative leadership has an deep-rooted hatred of women, science, LGBT persons, Hispanics, blacks, and the poor.
You people are failing to see conservative compassion in action.
Why just the other day I heard of a GOP outreach program here in the south. Right-wing Republicans, with the help of the cast of Duck Dynasty, have begun a program to take inner city kids on white water adventures....

i.imgur.com
Paula Deen even packed a sack lunch.
 
2014-01-25 01:32:53 PM
With each passing year I'm amazed this man retains his position.
 
2014-01-25 01:35:36 PM
Reading the comments in the link make me want to move to another country.
 
2014-01-25 01:35:54 PM
Dear Sheriff Joe:

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

Exodus 20:4-6

Signed G-d
 
2014-01-25 01:37:19 PM

generallyso: With each passing year I'm amazed this man retains his position.


With each passing year I am overjoyed this man retaines his position.
 
2014-01-25 01:37:37 PM
Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.
 
2014-01-25 01:39:38 PM
It amazes me that the folks who have a fetishistic love for the flag think the left is fascist.
 
2014-01-25 01:41:57 PM
Removing salt and pepper from meals as well?

What a farking dick. Food without salt, especially when served to those who have had their tastebuds manipulated by big food their whole life, is nearly inedible. Add in the quality they serve prisoners and they're getting dog food.

/I know this feeble, old, hateful man has committed many worse atrocities but this offends me as a cook.
 
2014-01-25 01:43:02 PM

hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.


Yep. It's like the whole 'WE NEED TO DRUG TEST THOSE WELFARE farkERS' kick that retarded conservatives have been on lately.  It was done. Not a single person was caught failing, any time that's been tried.

Friends wife is suuuuper conservative/hardline GOP (and married an Indian guy, so that's odd to me), throws out all of those ideas. After the duck dynasty thing where she was screaming about 1st amendments and freedom of speech/religion/ducks, and I very calmly dropped a 'freedom of speech protects you from the government, not the results of your speech or anything in the private sector' in her, she must have unfriended me because I haven't seen her since.

Kinda miss seeing updates on my buddy and the kid, but no real loss on her other posts (hint: if I needed a faux news condenser of talking points I'd just kill myself).
 
2014-01-25 01:43:26 PM

AliceBToklasLives: It amazes me that the folks who have a fetishistic love for the flag think the left is fascist.


Flaggotry: (n) To love the symbol and ignore the meaning behind it

/Joke stolen from another Farker
 
2014-01-25 01:43:29 PM

hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.


Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.
 
2014-01-25 01:44:10 PM
After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was acquitted by a Maricopa County Superior Court jury, which found that Arpaio's detectives had helped buy the bomb parts themselves and had entrapped Saville as part of a publicity stunt. Saville filed suit against Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest. In 2008, the suit was settled, with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million.

When the FIBBIES do that, it's called protecting America.
 
2014-01-25 01:46:45 PM
...and still no Arizona tag.

/Fighting with Texas tag over who is more bootstrappy?
 
2014-01-25 01:47:04 PM

pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.


Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?
 
2014-01-25 01:47:09 PM
The voters in his area keep electing him. They want this idiot in office then I can't be outraged over their pick. Obviously the Arizona voters are okay with his behavior.
 
2014-01-25 01:47:30 PM
omg, we are feeding criminals $5 pieces of artisan toast?!?!?!

outraged!
 
2014-01-25 01:48:18 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.


It must be hard to type when the only letters you can choose are two over one down.
 
2014-01-25 01:48:34 PM
I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.
 
2014-01-25 01:49:17 PM

hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.


Your statement only proves that Sheriff Arpaio's methods are not only necessary, but insufficient. Hopefully, he will implement further strict standards in the future, and hopefully he will continue to do so until violent crime begins to decline in the district.
 
2014-01-25 01:50:39 PM

BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.


Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...
 
2014-01-25 01:50:46 PM

KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.


is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?
 
2014-01-25 01:54:07 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...


Article didn't mention nutriloaf.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:01 PM

Dimensio: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Your statement only proves that Sheriff Arpaio's methods are not only necessary, but insufficient. Hopefully, he will implement further strict standards in the future, and hopefully he will continue to do so until violent crime begins to decline in the district.


Take this to the bank, the beatings will continue until behavior improves.
And since we all know this will not improve the behavior,,,

I'm gonna go with he just likes beating and dehumanizing people.
What say.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:26 PM

BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.


Calories is just a question of quantity.

I guess they could do this indefinetly if they do it like this:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-04-16/news/9304170017_1_oatm ea l-and-crackers-three-inmates-clark-county-jail
 
2014-01-25 01:55:41 PM

BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.


Drink the water, don't eat the bread.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:46 PM
A Sheriff Joe thread always draws out the soulless wankstains.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:51 PM
'And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.'

'The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself'

- Leviticus 19:33-34

God's not one of your fans, Joey boy.
 
2014-01-25 01:55:53 PM

BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.


To say nothing of how badly it binds you up. Bread and water leads to severe, painful constipation.
 
2014-01-25 01:57:23 PM

Elandriel: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.

It must be hard to type when the only letters you can choose are two over one down.


Well, gosh - I'm shamed into silence now, and retract both my belief that the statement about crime rates is false, and my explanation that "bread" is not really bread at all...all because I had a typo.  You, sir, are awe-insipiring debator.

...or a complete moron, whichever.
 
2014-01-25 01:57:49 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.


Well, you can think what you like.
 
2014-01-25 01:58:59 PM

Popular Opinion: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?


They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.


///don't get caught motherfarker
 
2014-01-25 01:59:45 PM
He's just looking for excuses to punish people.
 
2014-01-25 02:00:26 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Popular Opinion: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?

They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.


///don't get caught motherfarker


oh yes, nobody is ever wrongly accused.

you might be a retard. better have that checked out.
 
2014-01-25 02:00:55 PM
I had the pleasure of spending a night in his hotel a while back. Inhumane is an understatement and a minor crime earns you a cold night on a concrete floor, lights on all the time. No blankets and food after about 30 hours that my dog wouldn't eat. He is not a good person, we treat pow's better then this guy does Americans who largely have not been found guilty of anything.
 
2014-01-25 02:01:36 PM
Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine


While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.
Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."
 
2014-01-25 02:01:47 PM

HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?


Steven Segal doesn't wear a keffiyeh lightly.  He's a hardcore operator ready to pull the trigger on a moments notice.  You people think this is a joke?
If a man can only make a bomb after Sheriffs Deputies sell him parts and give him instructions on how to build it then just imagine what he could've done with no help whatsoever. Probably write strongly worded letters like you libulardos do.  Sometimes you have to enable your enemies through blatantly illegal and irresponsible means in order for them to out themselves
 www.taekwondotimes.com

You libturds think truth justice and the american way is free.  That its your birthright.  But you're wrong.  Its earned through manufactured crisis and action movie hero antics.
 
2014-01-25 02:02:21 PM

BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.


Understand, but that doesn't change the fact that is is.  And seriously, 7 days of ACTUAL bread and water would be obviously criminal.  This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

Critical thinking skills, people.
 
2014-01-25 02:02:38 PM
Sheriff Joe is a true American Hero.

These people are in jail for committing a crime.

He is insuring they learn their lesson and be productive.

It's been proven time and again most people are in jail because the lack structure and morals.

Well, I can't think of a better way to teach them structure and morals than what he's doing.

All you libtards go solve crime in your own state.
Give your crooks 3 course meals and teach them how to build knives and take drugs.

Leave AZ alone, it works for them and the people there overwhelmingly support them.  You are not tolerant of that, what a shame.
 
2014-01-25 02:03:04 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.


The reason the prison loaf is outrageous in this case is because these prisoners did not ask for the flags in their cells--Sheriff Dickwad mandated them. IMHO, it would be different if prisoners had requested the flags and then defaced them. This case is as horrifying as it would be had Sheriff Twatwaffle put the prisoners on "bread" and water for tearing down an "Out of Order" sign on a bathroom door.
 
2014-01-25 02:03:24 PM

Popular Opinion: omg, we are feeding criminals $5 pieces of artisan toast?!?!?!

outraged!


Don't forget the gourmet Asiago cheese! Such savagery
 
2014-01-25 02:03:31 PM
I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?
 
2014-01-25 02:03:43 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?

Steven Segal doesn't wear a keffiyeh lightly.  He's a hardcore operator ready to pull the trigger on a moments notice.  You people think this is a joke?
If a man can only make a bomb after Sheriffs Deputies sell him parts and give him instructions on how to build it then just imagine what he could've done with no help whatsoever. Probably write strongly worded letters like you libulardos do.  Sometimes you have to enable your enemies through blatantly illegal and irresponsible means in order for them to out themselves
 [www.taekwondotimes.com image 635x427]

You libturds think truth justice and the american way is free.  That its your birthright.  But you're wrong.  Its earned through manufactured crisis and action movie hero antics.


I remember enjoying thoroughly that Steven Seagal said he had spent "millions of hours" in firearms training, only to have it pointed out that 1,000,000 hours = 114 years.
 
2014-01-25 02:05:25 PM
Assuming it is a sincere gesture, I don't get what he thinks putting a flag decal in a cell is going to accomplish.
 
2014-01-25 02:05:43 PM
fc06.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-25 02:05:48 PM

Elandriel: It must be hard to type when the only letters you can choose are two over one down.


+1 to you for that, I'm stealing it.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:12 PM
This will lead to a series of lawsuits that, at the very least, will cost Maricopa County hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend against, and will probalby go into the millions if the lawsuits are successful.

But the slack-jawed yokels who keep voting  this bullshiat artist into office will herp and derp in approval.  And then they'll talk about how they are fiscally responisble conservatives.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:13 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.

Understand, but that doesn't change the fact that is is.  And seriously, 7 days of ACTUAL bread and water would be obviously criminal.  This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

Critical thinking skills, people.


To be fair the article doesn't say nutra loaf but clearly has a picture of not wonder bread.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:17 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I remember enjoying thoroughly that Steven Seagal said he had spent "millions of hours" in firearms training, only to have it pointed out that 1,000,000 hours = 114 years.


Again do you really think this is a joke?  Steven Segal has killed thousands of people on film with his bare hands.  That's enough evidence that I wouldn't question his skills in the arts of personal combat.  Sure he might technically be "above military weight requirements" and "75 years old", but he would wipe the floor with Seal Team 6 just like how he took out Cher in Under Siege.
 
2014-01-25 02:06:28 PM

edmo: Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

2.  He has not been killed yet.  Seriously, it amazes me to no end that he and his family are still alive.  I cannot imagine that he has an entourage of heavily armed guards around him and his family 100% of the time.  There also has to be more than one former inmate who would gladly go back to prison if it meant causing some sort of pain for him and his family.

1. He's been sued plenty and DOJ is still after him.
2. He travels with a posse of bodyguards

We can only hope they'll manage to throw his ass in jail before he dies of old age

Sheriff Joe's patriotism would be much more impressive if he believed in things like the Constitution.


But he does!

o.onionstatic.com
 
2014-01-25 02:06:37 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.

Understand, but that doesn't change the fact that is is.  And seriously, 7 days of ACTUAL bread and water would be obviously criminal.  This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

Critical thinking skills, people.


sorry, but are you saying not provided child molesters (or whatever) more than fully nutritious bread and water is a violation of their human rights?

you realize this means we are violating the rights of millions of poor people in this country?
 
2014-01-25 02:07:39 PM

Mantour: edmo: Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

2.  He has not been killed yet.  Seriously, it amazes me to no end that he and his family are still alive.  I cannot imagine that he has an entourage of heavily armed guards around him and his family 100% of the time.  There also has to be more than one former inmate who would gladly go back to prison if it meant causing some sort of pain for him and his family.

1. He's been sued plenty and DOJ is still after him.
2. He travels with a posse of bodyguards

We can only hope they'll manage to throw his ass in jail before he dies of old age

Sheriff Joe's patriotism would be much more impressive if he believed in things like the Constitution.

But he does!

[o.onionstatic.com image 250x188]


Maybe ya'll should look at the asshats keeping him in power.
Maybe.
 
2014-01-25 02:08:08 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Popular Opinion: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?

They would not be in jail if they had not broken been accused of breaking the law.


///don't get caught motherfarker


FTFY, and still not guilty dipshiat
 
2014-01-25 02:08:27 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.


I dunno, Joe's been getting away with a LOT of seriously shady shiat (that has at times been very expensive for taxpayers) for a LONG time now.

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


Well, in Florida, the welfare recipients had to pay for their own drug tests, and the largest drug-testing company in the state happened to be owned  by the Governor's wife.  I don't think that liberals have a problem with trying to keep welfare recipients off drugs, but we DO have a problem with orchestrated efforts to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich using legislation----which is what these GOP-backed "reforms" have really amounted to.
 
2014-01-25 02:08:32 PM
I feel the same way about my "God Bless This Camper" woodburned plaque.  You feck with the tchotchke you feck with me.  You feck with me and you've released the fury of the panther and the strength of fifteen robots.

I WILL CUT YOU!
 
2014-01-25 02:08:54 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Popular Opinion: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?

They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.


///don't get caught motherfarker


You really don't understand the difference between jail and prison, don't you sweet'ums?
 
2014-01-25 02:09:16 PM
White knights for ol'Joe. Whodathunkit?
 
2014-01-25 02:09:40 PM
Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.
 
2014-01-25 02:10:25 PM

berylman: Assuming it is a sincere gesture, I don't get what he thinks putting a flag decal in a cell is going to accomplish.


Join the Army.
Train as an MP.
Learn how to completely bury your good sense and humanity.
Work in a military prison for a bit, it will come to you.
 
2014-01-25 02:11:03 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: HMS_Blinkin: I remember enjoying thoroughly that Steven Seagal said he had spent "millions of hours" in firearms training, only to have it pointed out that 1,000,000 hours = 114 years.

Again do you really think this is a joke?  Steven Segal has killed thousands of people on film with his bare hands.  That's enough evidence that I wouldn't question his skills in the arts of personal combat.  Sure he might technically be "above military weight requirements" and "75 years old", but he would wipe the floor with Seal Team 6 just like how he took out Cher in Under Siege.


I was with you until the bolded part.  I'm outraged that you'd underestimate his kill count by a whole order of magnitude like that.  He's killed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people.  You're just another lib who's afraid to to face facts.  Go enjoy your libfacts which apparently ignore 90% of Steven Segal's confirmed kills, you hippy.
 
2014-01-25 02:11:27 PM
Many prisons are phasing out nutriloaf for various reasons, including to preempt impending cruel punishment lawsuits. Also, it binds you up pretty good, since it's so dense and most people don't drink enough water to replace what's not in their food.

Either way, joes a sociopath elected by a constituency of sociopaths.
 
2014-01-25 02:11:53 PM

HMS_Blinkin: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

I dunno, Joe's been getting away with a LOT of seriously shady shiat (that has at times been very expensive for taxpayers) for a LONG time now.

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Well, in Florida, the welfare recipients had to pay for their own drug tests, and the largest drug-testing company in the state happened to be owned  by the Governor's wife.  I don't think that liberals have a problem with trying to keep welfare recipients off drugs, but we DO have a problem with orchestrated efforts to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich using legislation----which is what these GOP-backed "reforms" have really amounted to.


Yeah, and this whole thing really has nothing to do with the treatment of prisoners as far as I'm concerned.  It's yet another bullshiat "Sheriff Joe" trick to get the morons who vote for him all worked up so they won't notice that he's a corrupt as hell scumbag who should be eating bread and water in one of those cells himself.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:04 PM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


The problem is that it costs waaay more to do the drug testing than is saved by finding one drug user among millions of welfare recipients who tests positive. I'm exaggerating the numbers, but Florida paid $20 million for drug testing and saved $20k because one person tested positive.

Of course, Gov. Gollum got kickbacks and sweetheart deals from the contractor that did the testing, and...it's Florida for chrissakes.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:04 PM

HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?


Brick-House: generallyso: With each passing year I'm amazed this man retains his position.

With each passing year I am overjoyed this man retaines his position.

 
2014-01-25 02:13:07 PM

Wally007: Duke_leto_Atredes: Popular Opinion: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

is it possible these people are awaiting trial and not actually guilty of anything?

They would not be in jail if they had not broken been accused of breaking the law.


///don't get caught motherfarker

FTFY, and still not guilty dipshiat


Even if not guilty, getting "caught" is a bad day in Mudville.
Perhaps especially if not guilty of anything but being brown.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:36 PM

skinink: The voters in his area keep electing him. They want this idiot in office then I can't be outraged over their pick. Obviously the Arizona voters are okay with his behavior.


I'm sure the American citizens that he's rounded up and detained in violation of their constitutional rights would beg to differ.


cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


Other than the fact that it's expensive, a boondoggle for drug testing companies, finds drug rates at a lower level than the general population and is generally used to shame people who are poor, nothing at all.
 
2014-01-25 02:13:41 PM
(checks main page)

Ahhhh, you have to be Godless to get the  img.fark.com tag these days.
Respect for the flag isn't good enough anymore with the usual suspects.
 
2014-01-25 02:14:13 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Doktor_Zhivago: HMS_Blinkin: I remember enjoying thoroughly that Steven Seagal said he had spent "millions of hours" in firearms training, only to have it pointed out that 1,000,000 hours = 114 years.

Again do you really think this is a joke?  Steven Segal has killed thousands of people on film with his bare hands.  That's enough evidence that I wouldn't question his skills in the arts of personal combat.  Sure he might technically be "above military weight requirements" and "75 years old", but he would wipe the floor with Seal Team 6 just like how he took out Cher in Under Siege.

I was with you until the bolded part.  I'm outraged that you'd underestimate his kill count by a whole order of magnitude like that.  He's killed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people.  You're just another lib who's afraid to to face facts.  Go enjoy your libfacts which apparently ignore 90% of Steven Segal's confirmed kills, you hippy.


With reruns, it goes in the millions.
 
2014-01-25 02:14:50 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.


I've never heard of bread and water being used literally all over the country. Where else is this being done?
 
2014-01-25 02:15:05 PM

grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.


i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.
 
2014-01-25 02:16:54 PM
Dining Critic Tries Nutraloaf, the Prison Food for Misbehaving Inmates
JUSTICE IS BLAND: I eat Nutraloaf, the all-in-one "disciplinary loaf" served at Cook County Jail
BY JEFF RUBY
PUBLISHED AUG. 26, 2010


Inmates at Cook County Jail are allowed three privileges: television, books, and food. The staff has no compunction about denying its most difficult residents either of the first two, but under the Constitution, correctional facilities can't withhold food. Nothing in the Eighth Amendment, however, says the food has to taste good. "This is not the Four Seasons," says
Nutraloaf, a thick orange lump of spite with the density and taste of a dumbbell, could only be the object of Beelzebub's culinary desires. Packed with protein, fat, carbohydrates, and 1,110 calories, Nutraloaf contains everything from carrots and cabbage to kidney beans and potatoes, plus shadowy ingredients such as "dairy blend" and "mechanically separated poultry." You purée everything into a paste, shape it into a loaf, and bake it for 50 to 70 minutes at 375 degrees. Eat two a day and, boom, all your daily nutrients, right there. If you want the recipe, ask me.
Or just get yourself tossed into Cook County Jail, where an inmate who causes serious food-related problems buys himself a one-way ticket to Nutraloafopolis. Get caught making homemade hooch in your cell toilet? You get Nutraloaf. Hurl food at a guard or stab someone with a spork? Nutraloaf. Of the jail's 9,000 inmates, 21 have endured the Nutraloaf program since it began in June. One begged-No! Anything but Nutraloaf!-and another went on a hunger strike. Both men, and virtually every other Nutraloafer, straightened up enough to get back to the usual diet of oatmeal and processed bologna.
In July, I took the afternoon off from my job as  Chicagomagazine's dining critic and drove to 26th and California to dine on Nutraloaf. Cook County's stridently gray-brown cafeteria would never be mistaken for Naha, and the dish's presentation aims less for the wow factor than the break-your-spirit factor. An employee from Aramark Correctional Services-a branch of the Philadelphia-based company that also provides fare for college dorms and NFL stadiums-presented me a Styrofoam container sagging with a blunt ginger-toned mass roughly the size of a calzone and with the appearance of a neglected fruitcake. It had nothing else in common with either.
The mushy, disturbingly uniform innards recalled the thick, pulpy aftermath of something you dissected in biology class: so intrinsically disagreeable that my throat nearly closed up reflexively. But the funny thing about Nutraloaf is the taste. It's not awful, nor is it especially good. I kept trying to detect any individual element-carrot? egg?-and failing. Nutraloaf tastes blank, as though someone physically removed all hints of flavor. "That's the goal," says Mike Anderson, Aramark's district manager. "Not to make it taste bad but to make it taste neutral." By those standards, Nutraloaf is a culinary triumph; any recipe that renders all 13 of its ingredients completely mute is some kind of miracle.
I ate two-thirds and gave up, longing for any hint of flavor, even a bad one. That night, my stomach's rebellion against the loaf was anything but neutral. I felt so full and lethargic that I skipped dinner and the following breakfast. And let's just say I finally had a lot of time alone to catch up on myNew Yorker reading.
Even though inmates in several states, including Illinois, have sued over Nutraloaf, alleging cruel and unusual punishment, correctional departments everywhere are introducing their own versions of the "disciplinary loaf." None of the lawsuits have been successful. "We're not trying to dump Tabasco sauce on their tongues or anything like that," Dart says. "It just tastes like nothing." In other words, they found a loophole: Nutraloaf is not cruel; it's just unusual. Soon it may cease to be either.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:19 PM

Descartes: (checks main page)

Ahhhh, you have to be Godless to get the  [img.fark.com image 54x11] tag these days.
Respect for the flag isn't good enough anymore with the usual suspects.


I'd be more apt to give that tag to somebody who wiped his ass with the flag and respected the Constitution, the Supremacy Clause, Equal Protection under the law, and Due Process rather than the other way around (aka, any day that ends with a "y" for good ol' Sheriff Schmoe)
 
2014-01-25 02:17:33 PM

pueblonative: skinink: The voters in his area keep electing him. They want this idiot in office then I can't be outraged over their pick. Obviously the Arizona voters are okay with his behavior.

I'm sure the American citizens that he's rounded up and detained in violation of their constitutional rights would beg to differ.


cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Other than the fact that it's expensive, a boondoggle for drug testing companies, finds drug rates at a lower level than the general population and is generally used to shame people who are poor, nothing at all.


And the chumps think the expense of actually doing the "test" was performed.
I have been a certified specimen collector for decades, AMA.

/hint, less than half the time
 
2014-01-25 02:19:12 PM

sdd2000: Dear Sheriff Joe:

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."

Exodus 20:4-6

Signed G-d


THIS

Thanks, you just shackled his feet :)
 
2014-01-25 02:20:45 PM

Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.


Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.
 
2014-01-25 02:23:09 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.

Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.


i'm not sure you can definitively claim that none of Joe's former guests have not moved elsewhere to avoid staying at his hotel again.

not that i agree with his methods....but if you're claiming that to be true, i have to call bullshiat.
 
2014-01-25 02:24:42 PM

inclemency: Removing salt and pepper from meals as well?

What a farking dick. Food without salt, especially when served to those who have had their tastebuds manipulated by big food their whole life, is nearly inedible. Add in the quality they serve prisoners and they're getting dog food.

/I know this feeble, old, hateful man has committed many worse atrocities but this offends me as a cook.


Really? I cook my own food pretty often, and unless I'm baking or eating a hard boiled egg, I never even touch the salt. Of course, it's not prison food. Am I really missing out?
 
2014-01-25 02:26:00 PM
This will most likely instill a great sense of patriotism and a healthy fear of disrespecting our cheap plastic  chinese made glue backed symbol of freedom.
 
2014-01-25 02:28:28 PM

berylman: Assuming it is a sincere gesture, I don't get what he thinks putting a flag decal in a cell is going to accomplish.


It keeps his retarded fan base fired up.
 
2014-01-25 02:29:40 PM

MFAWG: berylman: Assuming it is a sincere gesture, I don't get what he thinks putting a flag decal in a cell is going to accomplish.

It keeps his retarded fan base fired up.


and pisses off the messicans
 
2014-01-25 02:30:43 PM

Popular Opinion: MFAWG: berylman: Assuming it is a sincere gesture, I don't get what he thinks putting a flag decal in a cell is going to accomplish.

It keeps his retarded fan base fired up.

and pisses off the messicans


And LieBruls. So that's good enough.
 
2014-01-25 02:34:23 PM

Descartes: (checks main page)

Ahhhh, you have to be Godless to get the  [img.fark.com image 54x11] tag these days.
Respect for the flag isn't good enough anymore with the usual suspects.


I'll just quote George Carlin on this.

The flag is a symbol, and I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded.
 
2014-01-25 02:37:34 PM

Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.

Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.

i'm not sure you can definitively claim that none of Joe's former guests have not moved elsewhere to avoid staying at his hotel again.

not that i agree with his methods....but if you're claiming that to be true, i have to call bullshiat.


Population numbers are on Wiki.
Enjoy your project.
 
2014-01-25 02:40:38 PM

KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.


Am I mistaken, or is jail (not prison) for people awaiting trial? Meaning none of these people have actually been convicted of a crime.
 
2014-01-25 02:45:59 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.

Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.

i'm not sure you can definitively claim that none of Joe's former guests have not moved elsewhere to avoid staying at his hotel again.

not that i agree with his methods....but if you're claiming that to be true, i have to call bullshiat.

Population numbers are on Wiki.
Enjoy your project.


retarded much?
i said you cannot prove none of the criminals that spent time in cook county jail has moved elsewhere.
and you can't.
 
2014-01-25 02:46:51 PM
Like All Republicans, Sheriff Joe Arpaio believes that "patriotism" means "believe what I believe or I will kill you". This is, and always has been, the mainstream Republican viewpoint on patriotism. For other examples of Mainstream Republican Patriots, see: Ted Nugent, John Birch, Rush Limbaugh, Vox Day, and whoever is the current Grand Dragon of the KKK.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:04 PM
crockettlives.files.wordpress.comA bunch of registered Democrats desecrating an American Flag? Color me surprised.
 
2014-01-25 02:50:47 PM

Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.

Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.

i'm not sure you can definitively claim that none of Joe's former guests have not moved elsewhere to avoid staying at his hotel again.

not that i agree with his methods....but if you're claiming that to be true, i have to call bullshiat.

Population numbers are on Wiki.
Enjoy your project.

retarded much?
i said you cannot prove none of the criminals that spent time in cook county jail has moved elsewhere.
and you can't.


And I don't give a flying fark.
Even up.
 
2014-01-25 02:51:13 PM

HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?


They continue to live in that part of Arizona.

I'd say that explains how stupid they are.

That's what happens when fambly trees fork no more.
 
2014-01-25 02:51:51 PM

organizmx: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

Am I mistaken, or is jail (not prison) for people awaiting trial? Meaning none of these people have actually been convicted of a crime.


Usually it's a combo of people who are awaiting trial, those serving small (less than a year) sentences, and those found in civil contempt (not technically a crime).  Even so, having to put up with the AW'ing antics of a dude who's about to have a judicially appointed master start slapping his wrists to get him back in line to the tune of $21 million is cruel and unusual even if you've been convicted.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:12 PM

pueblonative: organizmx: KidneyStone: I'm ok with this.

It's not that it's the flag, it's that it's destruction of government property and negative behavior.

Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

Am I mistaken, or is jail (not prison) for people awaiting trial? Meaning none of these people have actually been convicted of a crime.

Usually it's a combo of people who are awaiting trial, those serving small (less than a year) sentences, and those found in civil contempt (not technically a crime).  Even so, having to put up with the AW'ing antics of a dude who's about to have a judicially appointed master start slapping his wrists to get him back in line to the tune of $21 million is cruel and unusual even if you've been convicted.


Thanks. That still makes it worse though. So all these people he's being "tough" on are either:

1. Not actually convicted of a crime and just waiting trial.
2. Convicted, but sentenced to under a year.

He's not doing this to murderers and child rapists.
 
2014-01-25 02:54:37 PM

HMS_Blinkin: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

I dunno, Joe's been getting away with a LOT of seriously shady shiat (that has at times been very expensive for taxpayers) for a LONG time now.

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Well, in Florida, the welfare recipients had to pay for their own drug tests, and the largest drug-testing company in the state happened to be owned  by the Governor's wife.  I don't think that liberals have a problem with trying to keep welfare recipients off drugs, but we DO have a problem with orchestrated efforts to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich using legislation----which is what these GOP-backed "reforms" have really amounted to.


Heh, heh, they privatized that money right into their own pockets.
 
2014-01-25 02:55:20 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.

Since that has never worked in history, how about if we just call him what he acts like for publicity.
This puke is just Rush w/o a radio show.

/we mass communicatin', Boy.

i'm not sure you can definitively claim that none of Joe's former guests have not moved elsewhere to avoid staying at his hotel again.

not that i agree with his methods....but if you're claiming that to be true, i have to call bullshiat.

Population numbers are on Wiki.
Enjoy your project.

retarded much?
i said you cannot prove none of the criminals that spent time in cook county jail has moved elsewhere.
and you can't.

And I don't give a flying fark.
Even up.


if you regard being wrong in everything you've said so far as being "even", i'm fine with that.
 
2014-01-25 02:56:35 PM

williesleg: Sheriff Joe is a true American Hero.

These people are in jail for committing a crime.

He is insuring they learn their lesson and be productive.

It's been proven time and again most people are in jail because the lack structure and morals.

Well, I can't think of a better way to teach them structure and morals than what he's doing.

All you libtards go solve crime in your own state.
Give your crooks 3 course meals and teach them how to build knives and take drugs.

Leave AZ alone, it works for them and the people there overwhelmingly support them.  You are not tolerant of that, what a shame.


Trolling is an unbecoming trait for a young lady.
 
2014-01-25 02:58:12 PM
Nothing says rehabilitation and reincorporation into normal society than removing every semblance of pleasure or normalcy from an inmates life. You could put up a picture of my wife and children in one of those cells and i would slowly rip it off the wall just to provide myself with at least a little a bit of intellectual stimulation. I love my wife and kids and having them be a part of that decrepit environment would drive me insane. I'm a disabled vet and love this country, but i would tear the flag down as well. Nothing i've heard or seen of that prison makes me think, "That's what America stands for right there!"

He tries to say that he removes every excess from his prisons so that he can save the tax payers money, but then he adds these American Flag decals that costs his constituency money and is SURPRISED when some take out aggression on an inanimate object that symbolizes everything that the prison they are occupying is not.

That's like telling occupants of a paradise that they can do anything they want, except one thing. And if they do that one thing, they are banished. Why else have that one thing there?

I wouldn't be surprised if he started installing sturdy hooks on the ceilings and providing the prisoners with rope.
 
2014-01-25 02:59:34 PM

DicksWii: I wouldn't be surprised if he started installing sturdy hooks on the ceilings and providing the prisoners with rope.


Given his record of disobeying people in authority and the hammer that's about to be dropped, that might just be looking ahead for his inevitable contempt citation.
 
2014-01-25 03:00:20 PM
Look at the demographics of his district...white people and lots of 'em. Arizona is a retirement mecca for old white people plus there's plenty of cowboy redneck types there, too. Anyone who locks up them dirty Messicans will get their vote. He plays Great White Avenger and the honkies collectively swoon.

Yes, it is about race. They don't call the place Aryanzona for nothing.
 
2014-01-25 03:02:31 PM

Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion:
if you regard being wrong in everything you've said so far as being "even", i'm fine with that.


Ok, fool.
Let us review. That means you have to go back and read.
Since you have so far failed to read what I said and chose to substitute what you wish I had said, I fear for your success.
You made the assertion that this Sociopath's program was successful in making his problem move to be someone else's problem as if that were a successful strategy.
Then you make up zhit for me.
Go away.
 
2014-01-25 03:04:21 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion:
if you regard being wrong in everything you've said so far as being "even", i'm fine with that.

Ok, fool.
Let us review. That means you have to go back and read.
Since you have so far failed to read what I said and chose to substitute what you wish I had said, I fear for your success.
You made the assertion that this Sociopath's program was successful in making his problem move to be someone else's problem as if that were a successful strategy.
Then you make up zhit for me.
Go away.


i didn't say it was successful numbnut, i said it probably worked at least once.

tell your doctor you need to increase your Alzheimer meds.
 
2014-01-25 03:15:18 PM

shastacola: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: hardinparamedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if it's working.

What is Joe's recidivism rate?
Is crime down or up, compared to the national average?
What's his cost per inmate?

In short: No, it's not.

Violent crime as a whole is down in Arizona per capita. The only area it continues to rise is in Joe's district.

Citation? Cuz I think that statement is full of shiat.

Oh, and the "bread" if a nutriition loaf that is used literally all over the country on inmates with discipline problems... But since this is Joe, it's cruel and unusual punishment.

I've never heard of bread and water being used literally all over the country. Where else is this being done?


"Nutriloaaf",or "The Loaf" to inmates, is pretty standard punishment rations across the country.  Food is a valuable commodity in prison (lot's of trading - and stabbing - over it), so taking away real food and replacing it with a nutritious, yet awful, substitute is a good way to reprimand prisoners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutraloaf
 
2014-01-25 03:16:10 PM

Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion:
i didn't say it was successful numbnut, i said it probably worked at least once.



What you said was, i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.
Plural.
Comprehension, do you know it?
Done.
 
2014-01-25 03:16:36 PM

skinink: The voters snowbirds in his area keep electing him. They want this idiot in office then I can't be outraged over their pick. Obviously the Arizona voters are okay with his behavior.


ftfy.

Two of them are the SO's grandparents.  Sorry about that, Arizona.  Their old white people Fox News fueled outrage is more diluted the 6 months of the year they're in Michigan.
 
2014-01-25 03:17:12 PM

Popular Opinion: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.

Understand, but that doesn't change the fact that is is.  And seriously, 7 days of ACTUAL bread and water would be obviously criminal.  This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

Critical thinking skills, people.

sorry, but are you saying not provided child molesters (or whatever) more than fully nutritious bread and water is a violation of their human rights?

you realize this means we are violating the rights of millions of poor people in this country?


Critical thinking...and reading comprehension skills, apparently.
 
2014-01-25 03:18:05 PM
Playing "God Bless America" is not only anti-Constitutional, but also a war crime. A fascist march sung by a fat disgusting b*tch that's long since dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJo7x9y3D4
 
2014-01-25 03:18:37 PM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


Because it's expensive as fark and has no useful results. People on welfare are not inherently druggies.
 
2014-01-25 03:19:01 PM

williesleg: Sheriff Joe is a true American Hero.

These people are in jail for committing a crime.

He is insuring they learn their lesson and be productive.

It's been proven time and again most people are in jail because the lack structure and morals.

Well, I can't think of a better way to teach them structure and morals than what he's doing.

All you libtards go solve crime in your own state.
Give your crooks 3 course meals and teach them how to build knives and take drugs.

Leave AZ alone, it works for them and the people there overwhelmingly support them.  You are not tolerant of that, what a shame.


Trolling? Actual belief? Facefull of Poe Slaw? Man, I can't even tell anymore.
 
2014-01-25 03:20:38 PM

Endive Wombat: I gotta tell ya...I am genuinely shocked that:

1.  He has not been removed from his position, sued to the end of the Earth by the ACLU/former inmates under his care...or been placed under investigation by the Justice Dept.

2.  He has not been killed yet.  Seriously, it amazes me to no end that he and his family are still alive.  I cannot imagine that he has an entourage of heavily armed guards around him and his family 100% of the time.  There also has to be more than one former inmate who would gladly go back to prison if it meant causing some sort of pain for him and his family.


I really am praying that Joe ends up chained in a cheap motel's bathtub alone with a Knights Templar cartel member holding a chainsaw.
 
2014-01-25 03:23:28 PM

PsiChick: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Because it's expensive as fark and has no useful results. People on welfare are not inherently druggies.


That and the B3 Bomber are what they want you to believe.
 
2014-01-25 03:25:12 PM

TV's Vinnie: I really am praying that Joe ends up chained in a cheap motel's bathtub alone with a Knights Templar cartel member holding a chainsaw.


I'm reminded of a line from the Black Company when i think of Joe: Pigs like that I would love to run through half of what they give to others.
 
2014-01-25 03:25:20 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: snocone: Popular Opinion:
i didn't say it was successful numbnut, i said it probably worked at least once.


What you said was, i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.
Plural.
Comprehension, do you know it?
Done.


i claimed that was probably the idea, not that it was a successful and completely effective program.
even so, one less low life is one less low life.

yes, i will go out on a limb and say at least 2 low lifes have left the jurisdiction for places with better jail accommodations.

/yes, you are still wrong.
 
2014-01-25 03:28:46 PM

Popular Opinion: yes, i will go out on a limb and say at least 2 low lifes have left the jurisdiction for places with better jail accommodations.


I'm sure some of the 400 or so sex crime victims he ignored have left the jurisdiction for places with better judicial systems as well.
 
2014-01-25 03:28:47 PM
Well fair people are on welfare.
But convince the stupid population that they are all well, welfare queens, and the 1% can trickle down your leg some more.
 
2014-01-25 03:39:09 PM
Arpaio and climate threads always devolve into biggest tool in the toolshed contests.  It's the safest bet on the interwebby.
 
2014-01-25 03:39:48 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Popular Opinion: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: Seems like a flat out human rights violation. I know it's only for seven days, but that diet does no provide the calories or nutrition needed for an adult.

Uh, yes it does.  It's designed to EXACTLY that...it just tastes like crap.  It's not a plate of Wonder bread...

Article didn't mention nutriloaf.

Understand, but that doesn't change the fact that is is.  And seriously, 7 days of ACTUAL bread and water would be obviously criminal.  This is Phoenix, not some small town in the backwaters of Mississippi where the warden gets to do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him.

Critical thinking skills, people.

sorry, but are you saying not provided child molesters (or whatever) more than fully nutritious bread and water is a violation of their human rights?

you realize this means we are violating the rights of millions of poor people in this country?

Critical thinking...and reading comprehension skills, apparently.


sorry, i was replying to the prior post, and to be fair to him, the text of the article is so completely wrong and misleading, i would be surprised if the writer is still employed to report the news.
 
2014-01-25 03:46:20 PM

KidneyStone: Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.


Why even bother with a trial? If you're in jail, you're guilty, QED.
 
2014-01-25 03:48:42 PM
media.azfamily.com
The nurtaloaf, for anyone who didn't see the pic.
It's some kind of meatloaf with veggies in bread dough thing.

Doesn't he already brag about the meals being super cheap and having no seasonings?  This may not be significantly worse.  It looks kind of gross, but meatloaf hot pockets might not be any harder to choke down than the regular garbage there.
 
2014-01-25 03:51:45 PM

ErinPac: [media.azfamily.com image 600x338]
The nurtaloaf, for anyone who didn't see the pic.
It's some kind of meatloaf with veggies in bread dough thing.

Doesn't he already brag about the meals being super cheap and having no seasonings?  This may not be significantly worse.  It looks kind of gross, but meatloaf hot pockets might not be any harder to choke down than the regular garbage there.


actually, it looks something like a cornish pasty, but those are actually quite yummy.

a particular individual: KidneyStone: Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

Why even bother with a trial? If you're in jail, you're guilty, QED.


apparently he might be stupid enough to think the police don't make mistakes.
and being that stupid probably qualifies him to be an officer himself.
 
2014-01-25 03:52:54 PM

a particular individual: KidneyStone: Don't commit crime and you stay out of jail.

Why even bother with a trial? If you're in jail, you're guilty, QED.


Yes, trials are way too expensive, that money could be way better used if it were trickled up.
Not to mention the inconvenience, stress and demands placed on the poor jury.
Won't somebody think of the jurors?
 
2014-01-25 03:53:55 PM

ErinPac: Doesn't he already brag about the meals being super cheap and having no seasonings?


He's gotta save money for settlements and court ordered remedies somewhere.
 
2014-01-25 03:55:17 PM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?
 
2014-01-25 03:59:48 PM

ErinPac: The nurtaloaf, for anyone who didn't see the pic.
It's some kind of meatloaf with veggies in bread dough thing.

Doesn't he already brag about the meals being super cheap and having no seasonings?  This may not be significantly worse.  It looks kind of gross, but meatloaf hot pockets might not be any harder to choke down than the regular garbage there.


Please don't joke about meat loaf Hot Pockets. First, ConAgra is likely looking into them already. Second, that idea sounds pretty good.

(I like Hot Pockets, especially the meatball and mozerella ones. And chicken quesadilla. And cheeseburger. Shut up.)
 
2014-01-25 04:00:59 PM

a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?


why is somebody stupid and irresponsible enough to lose his family's benefits (because he refuses to stop toking, shooting or snorting up) allowed to raise children? what kind of adults will they become under such stellar guidance?

/of course the children should be cared for properly, no matter what loser dad or loser mom does.
 
2014-01-25 04:03:21 PM

a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?


Absolutely not, but I think there are better ways to take care of them than funding their father's alcohism.
 
2014-01-25 04:05:27 PM

Popular Opinion: a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?

why is somebody stupid and irresponsible enough to lose his family's benefits (because he refuses to stop toking, shooting or snorting up) allowed to raise children? what kind of adults will they become under such stellar guidance?

/of course the children should be cared for properly, no matter what loser dad or loser mom does.


Otherwise, you will soon run out of loser moms and dads.
 
2014-01-25 04:07:36 PM
www.nashuagop.org
 
2014-01-25 04:10:07 PM

snocone: Popular Opinion: a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?

why is somebody stupid and irresponsible enough to lose his family's benefits (because he refuses to stop toking, shooting or snorting up) allowed to raise children? what kind of adults will they become under such stellar guidance?

/of course the children should be cared for properly, no matter what loser dad or loser mom does.

Otherwise, you will soon run out of loser moms and dads.


exactly, and that would mean less people that vote for liberals.
this is exactly why liberals don't want to enforce anything like this sort testing.
more losers, more votes.

/pot should be legal anyway
//alcohol is much more damaging
//asshats don't get riled up on pot and beat up their wife and kids. alcohol on the other hand....
 
2014-01-25 04:29:05 PM
I just love the picture of the 'Grilled Lemongrass Chicken' on the right!
 
2014-01-25 04:39:50 PM

Katolu: White knights for ol'Joe. Whodathunkit?


That wrinkled old dick isn't going to suck itself
 
2014-01-25 04:49:03 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.


Really? You actually believe that?
 
2014-01-25 04:56:44 PM
This fat fark is why we have treason laws.

He should be hung, drawn, and quartered.
 
2014-01-25 05:02:28 PM
Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!
 
2014-01-25 05:08:22 PM

Popular Opinion: grimlock1972: Sherrif joe has got to go.

as for his salt and pepper idea for saving money he has cost the county many time as much has that saved by his asshattery.

i believe the idea is not to save money, but that low lifes would move and commit their crimes elsewhere, to places where jail life is comparatively posh, food and comfort wise.


why that maybe true , Sheriff Joe claimed he did it to save money, which at vest it might have saved $10,000 to a generous $100,000 at best a year  , at the same time he was causing the county to hemorrhage millions covering his legal messes.

A little seasoning is cheap,However legal fees and settlements are not.
 
2014-01-25 05:09:56 PM

TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!


They damaged some cheap stickers that creepy sheriff stuck on a wall,is that a crime worthy of the bread and water punishment? No,it's not. Christ,some of you conservatives are really sick.
 
2014-01-25 05:28:56 PM

TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!


Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?
 
2014-01-25 05:32:47 PM

TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!


Focusing just on the people who may be serving a misdemeanor sentence in the pokey and ignoring the people in there awaiting trial (you know, the ones considered innocent until proven otherwise), let's break something to your dear, sweet little heart: INCARCERATION IS THE PUNISHMENT YOU TOOL!  That's it.  It is not the sheriff's job to add ridiculous punishments like wearing pink underwear (nice rampant homophobia there) or making them eat nutriloaf just so he can get his corrupt ass on Fox News as "America's toughest sheriff".  I'm pretty sure that if and when they toss him in the clink for corruption he's gonna have pink underroos too.  They may not start out that way, but they'll end up that color.
 
2014-01-25 05:34:16 PM
It's no different than the paintings Sheriff Joe keeps of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il.
 
2014-01-25 05:35:52 PM

pueblonative: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Focusing just on the people who may be serving a misdemeanor sentence in the pokey and ignoring the people in there awaiting trial (you know, the ones considered innocent until proven otherwise), let's break something to your dear, sweet little heart: INCARCERATION IS THE PUNISHMENT YOU TOOL!  That's it.  It is not the sheriff's job to add ridiculous punishments like wearing pink underwear (nice rampant homophobia there) or making them eat nutriloaf just so he can get his corrupt ass on Fox News as "America's toughest sheriff".  I'm pretty sure that if and when they toss him in the clink for corruption he's gonna have pink underroos too.  They may not start out that way, but they'll end up that color.


He's never gonna see jail time. He's either gonna use lawyers to stonewall until he dies, or off himself before it gets that far.
 
2014-01-25 05:57:23 PM
If you don't like it... don't go to jail.

Jail should be a miserable place...
 
2014-01-25 06:06:43 PM

tlenon: If you don't like it... don't go to jail.

Jail should be a miserable place...


I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my people go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will troll you on Fark.
 
2014-01-25 06:09:07 PM
The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use.


Putting the flag on decals is against the rules of flag handling etiquette.  Said rules passed by the US government.  Joe should be put in solitary and fed nutraloaf and water for the next thirty days for doing so.

/if someone already pointed out the flag rules, sorry, I missed it.  Can't find my reading glasses.
 
2014-01-25 06:15:42 PM
I'm wondering how much it would cost and/or if it would be legal to hire a big-rig outfitted with the loudest, most powerful sound system available, park it across the street from Arpaio's prison, and have it blast the Mexican national anthem at the loudest, most eath-shattering decibel level known to man......while simultaneously hiring a sky-writing plane to write "Cheer if you want Arpaio raped" in Spanish over the prison.
 
2014-01-25 06:17:43 PM

hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?


Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.
 
2014-01-25 06:20:59 PM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


Try drug and alcohol testing on politicians first. Better the poor spend welfare money on dope, rather then spending the money they made ransacking your home on drugs.
 
2014-01-25 06:26:38 PM

TerminalEchoes: hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?

Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Lemme see,,,
uninteresting
young
white
suburban
privileged and entitled
stop me when i get warm

just kidding
 
2014-01-25 06:31:45 PM
Just ask around, almost all of those prisoners would tell you they are innocent.
Whose word?

'Till we get to that judge thing, they are innocent and deserve to be treated humanely.
Since I have on occasion been asked to medically treat/examine/report to the court on "unconvicted" "felons", I am getting a kick out of
 
2014-01-25 06:35:14 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Try drug and alcohol testing on politicians first. Better the poor spend welfare money on dope, rather then spending the money they made ransacking your home on drugs.


Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.
 
2014-01-25 06:47:38 PM

snocone: Just ask around, almost all of those prisoners would tell you they are innocent.
Whose word?

'Till we get to that judge thing, they are innocent and deserve to be treated humanely.
Since I have on occasion been asked to medically treat/examine/report to the court on "unconvicted" "felons", I am getting a kick out of


hate to break it to you (or maybe it's just bad phrasing) but even when they're guilty they still deserve to be treated humanely.
 
2014-01-25 06:51:44 PM
cards fan by association:
Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.

Well, it's a good thing that the drug rate among welfare recipients is lower than the general population, now, isn't it?
 
2014-01-25 06:56:28 PM

pueblonative: cards fan by association:
Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.

Well, it's a good thing that the drug rate among welfare recipients is lower than the general population, now, isn't it?


I wasn't suggesting the contrary. My original question wasn't meant to make a point. It was just a question.
 
2014-01-25 07:12:28 PM

Glitchwerks: Reading the comments in the link make me want to move to another country.


If you think this is bad, the WND version of this article actually has commenters screeching that Joe is being too soft and is coddling the inmates by not forcing them to eat their prison loaf off the ground like wild animals.  Apparently, a certain percentage of the population won't rest until we're actively torturing offenders to death in the town square,

I don't think there's a country far enough away for me to move to, unless it's on Mars.
 
2014-01-25 07:44:06 PM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


It's a violation of the 4th amendment prohibiting unlawful search & seizure. You cannot reasonably suspect a welfare recipient of being a drug addict simply on the basis of them applying for welfare. This differs from being drug-tested for employment in that you enter into an agreement with an employer and sign a document or application giving them permission to test you.
 
2014-01-25 08:43:01 PM

cards fan by association: I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients?


You're okay with drug testing welfare recipients, how do you feel about drug testing politicians and the heads of major corporations such as Wal-Mart? Not only do they receive welfare, they receive it on a much grander scale than individuals.
 
2014-01-25 08:50:07 PM

cards fan by association: a particular individual: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Do you WANT the children of poor people to starve and sleep in refrigerator cartons, because their dad tested positive for marijuana?

Absolutely not, but I think there are better ways to take care of them than funding their father's alcohism.


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, since drug tests aren't going to be looking for alcohol.
 
2014-01-25 08:53:14 PM

cards fan by association: teenage mutant ninja rapist: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

Try drug and alcohol testing on politicians first. Better the poor spend welfare money on dope, rather then spending the money they made ransacking your home on drugs.

Well, unlike the federal government, I don't care what drugs people want to use to as long as they aren't a burden on society. "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.


So you'd rather have poor, desperate drug addicts stealing from you?

Have fun with that. I'd rather have a functioning society, thanks, and fiddle-farting around with what poor people might be doing in their spare time is the last way to go about that. It's a meaningless distraction, but it gives you a group of people to somehow feel superior to, so you're going to stick with that line of thinking no matter what anybody else has to say to you.
 
2014-01-25 08:55:09 PM

cards fan by association: "Paying off" drug addicted welfare recipients so they don't steal from the rest of us seems like a bad reason to give them money.


Paying welfare to people who have jobs that refuse to pay them a living wage is a much, much bigger waste of money than one poor person in 100 spending their money on xboxes and weed.
 
2014-01-25 09:51:22 PM

yakmans_dad: Duke_leto_Atredes: They would not be in jail if they had not broken the law.

Really? You actually believe that?

Sarcasam we has it

// Fresh fish Fresh fish

 
2014-01-25 10:59:30 PM

TerminalEchoes: Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Sometimes, I wish people who believe this would meet their local Officer Friendly, and get their ass tazed into submission for no reason.

But, considering you live in Phoenix, I'm sure that's more of a possibility than you are willing to think about.
 
2014-01-25 11:08:38 PM

pedalphile: The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use.

Putting the flag on decals is against the rules of flag handling etiquette.  Said rules passed by the US government.  Joe should be put in solitary and fed nutraloaf and water for the next thirty days for doing so.

/if someone already pointed out the flag rules, sorry, I missed it.  Can't find my reading glasses.


The flag code is more of a guideline than a code.
 
2014-01-25 11:13:22 PM

TerminalEchoes: hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: Damn him. Treating inmates as though they had done something wrong! The horror!

Because everyone in county jail has been convicted of a crime, or even put through due process, right?

Stop whining. If they're in there, even being held until trial, chances are that they did something to deserve being there. I know such a statement will rub your tender little hiney the wrong way, but that's life.


Another "Patriot" with a clear understanding of both the Constitution and legal process.

/The only lernin' we need is USA #1 !
 
2014-01-26 12:52:54 AM

HMS_Blinkin: pueblonative: As for 2, Joe's probably hired more people to fake assasinate him than anybody else.

Holy shiat!  So that farker staged a fake assassination (on the taxpayer's dime), committed entrapment and wrongfully jailed someone, and THEN cost the county $1.6 million in the ensuing lawsuit.  Why the fark is he still in office?!?!  How farking stupid are people?


In Arizona?  Really farking stupid!
 
2014-01-26 06:23:23 AM

cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?


It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.
 
2014-01-26 08:25:55 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: cards fan by association: I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients?

You're okay with drug testing welfare recipients, how do you feel about drug testing politicians and the heads of major corporations such as Wal-Mart? Not only do they receive welfare, they receive it on a much grander scale than individuals.


It was a question, I see that a few people have taken it as something else. Lighten up, Francis.
 
2014-01-26 12:20:42 PM

Wrencher: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.


that isn't exactly true,
many that claim that as fact point to the attempt to drug test recipients in florida.
the reason the program was a net loss was that a judge blocked the enforcement and forced the state to pay the drug takers retroactively.

i think pot should be legal, but if you are smoking pot, you are taking benefits while making yourself unemployable on purpose.
if you don't think there is something wrong with that, there is no point in discussing the merits or legality of such programs.
 
2014-01-26 04:06:35 PM

Popular Opinion: Wrencher: cards fan by association: I have a question. I'm generally pretty liberal, but what is wrong with drug/alcohol testing welfare recipients? Does anyone WANT to pay for another person's drug habit?

It costs more to do the testing, than what is "saved" by making druggies live under a bush by the river.

that isn't exactly true,
many that claim that as fact point to the attempt to drug test recipients in florida.
the reason the program was a net loss was that a judge blocked the enforcement and forced the state to pay the drug takers retroactively.

i think pot should be legal, but if you are smoking pot, you are taking benefits while making yourself unemployable on purpose.
if you don't think there is something wrong with that, there is no point in discussing the merits or legality of such programs.


drug testing saved $350,000 in utah.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765637435/Utah-officials-say-welf ar e-drug-tests-save-money.html
they do not test everyone, and they do not test randomly
btw, they don't deny benefits, they simply require drug abuse treatment for those that test positive
recipients only lose benefits if they refuse to comply with treatment or counseling requirements.

there is so much disinformation out there, it is not surprising our fellow farkers have the opinions they do.
 
A7
2014-01-26 07:02:07 PM
Having spent time in one of Sheriff Joe's prisons, Durango to be precise, "bread and water" is a step up in terms of the usual fare.
 
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