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(ESPN)   Carmelo Anthony sets single game scoring record at Madison Square Garden, still can't play defense   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 42
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2014-01-25 12:31:30 AM  
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2014-01-25 01:38:14 AM  
Kobe would have stayed in the game, and finished out the string.
 
2014-01-25 01:58:30 AM  
I'm kind of impressed that he put up that many points and was somewhat efficient.  When I heard he got 62 I figured he jacked up 50+ shots.
 
2014-01-25 02:17:07 AM  
Everybody on press row at Hawks-Spurs was watching this, which I thought was hilarious.
 
2014-01-25 02:49:49 AM  
Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.
 
2014-01-25 03:15:29 AM  
It's a lousy year for a lousy franchise with a lousy owner.

None of which is Melo's fault.

Thanks for the memory.
 
2014-01-25 04:55:16 AM  
No turnovers either.  I find that part more impressive.
 
2014-01-25 05:20:24 AM  

degenerate-afro: No turnovers either.  I find that part more impressive.


That's because there was little to no movement of the ball.  Melo could not miss for almost the entire first half and would either take a shot with a man in his face or take one step then shoot.  It was ridiculous.
 
2014-01-25 07:35:07 AM  

CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.


Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.
 
2014-01-25 08:15:19 AM  
62 points against the Bobcats? He should have scored more. Scoring that much against the Bobcats is like winning a race vs a one legged person.
 
2014-01-25 08:32:53 AM  

IlGreven: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.


Yeah, but someone else scored more once 80 years ago so f*ck it, or something.
 
2014-01-25 09:07:03 AM  

suicide: IlGreven: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.

Yeah, but someone else scored more once 80 years ago so f*ck it, or something.


You do realize that there's a player in the league that has scored more than this twice and tied this once, right?
 
2014-01-25 09:14:28 AM  

flak attack: suicide: IlGreven: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.

Yeah, but someone else scored more once 80 years ago so f*ck it, or something.

You do realize that there's a player in the league that has scored more than this twice and tied this once, right?


and he's an overrated ball hog too.
 
2014-01-25 09:15:33 AM  

flak attack: suicide: IlGreven: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.

Yeah, but someone else scored more once 80 years ago so f*ck it, or something.

You do realize that there's a player in the league that has scored more than this twice and tied this once, right?


Yup. Doesn't make it any less of an accomplishment. Just because it's not the GREATEST EVER doesn't mean it's not notable or worth talking about for a day or two.
 
2014-01-25 09:29:37 AM  
Carmelo is this generation's Dominique Wilkins.  Great at scoring, mediocre at everything else, will never have a ring.
 
2014-01-25 09:30:22 AM  

skinink: 62 points against the Bobcats? He should have scored more. Scoring that much against the Bobcats is like winning a race vs a one legged person.


Evidently, he left the game with about 8 minutes left. Which is dumb. Go for the freaking glory and play until the end when you are on like that.
 
2014-01-25 10:01:53 AM  
does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?
 
2014-01-25 10:18:12 AM  

CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.


Woodson should've kept him in to let him go for 70.
 
2014-01-25 10:48:08 AM  

CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.


Wilt wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that many points against today's defenses.
 
2014-01-25 10:51:29 AM  

The Bestest: does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?


One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."
 
2014-01-25 11:10:44 AM  
btw, Wilt holds most of the MSG records (though they were set at the previous MSG, not the current)
 
2014-01-25 11:13:39 AM  

drewsclues: flak attack: suicide: IlGreven: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Sentence parsing, does anyone practice it?

The sentence is correct: 62 is now the single-game scoring record at Madison Square Garden.

It is now also the Knicks single-game scoring record.

Yeah, but someone else scored more once 80 years ago so f*ck it, or something.

You do realize that there's a player in the league that has scored more than this twice and tied this once, right?

and he's an overrated ball hog too.


They dont "play the game the way it was meant to be played" do they?

lennavan: CipollinaFan: Done in one.

/62 is still nothing to laugh at.

Wilt wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that many points against today's defenses.


They wont believe you so it best to just stop.  In the olden days shiatty teams were great, every player gave 100% effort on both sides of the ball, and there were no players who were in it for the personal stats.

Super Chronic: One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."


That is awesome.
 
2014-01-25 11:14:46 AM  
Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.
 
2014-01-25 11:24:12 AM  

skinink: 62 points against the Bobcats? He should have scored more. Scoring that much against the Bobcats is like winning a race vs a one legged person.


Charlotte actually had the #7 ranked defense coming into this game
 
2014-01-25 11:25:44 AM  

dragonchild: Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.


I saw a Melo shoe commercial yesterday afternoon and thought "this mother farker does NOT deserve a shoe commercial."

My apologies, Melo.
 
2014-01-25 11:26:35 AM  

KrmtDfrog: skinink: 62 points against the Bobcats? He should have scored more. Scoring that much against the Bobcats is like winning a race vs a one legged person.

Charlotte actually had the #7 ranked defense coming into this game


Shhhh.....they are pretending to follow the league.
 
2014-01-25 11:29:27 AM  
 
2014-01-25 11:49:10 AM  

Gunny Highway: dragonchild: Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.

I saw a Melo shoe commercial yesterday afternoon and thought "this mother farker does NOT deserve a shoe commercial."

My apologies, Melo.


Trvth.
 
2014-01-25 12:04:20 PM  

dragonchild: Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.


Kevin Durant would dispute that.
 
2014-01-25 12:10:08 PM  

LucklessWonder: dragonchild: Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.

Kevin Durant would dispute that.


The Thunder are a good defensive unit.  Or are we suggesting everyone has to be an amazing on the ball defender to be considered a legitimate superstar?
 
2014-01-25 12:38:25 PM  

skinink: 62 points against the Bobcats? He should have scored more. Scoring that much against the Bobcats is like winning a race vs a one legged person.


The Bobcats are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA currently.......
 
2014-01-25 01:07:50 PM  
I was actually there so I'm getting a kick

I don't like Carmelo that much but I have never seen a basketball player so on before. I didn't even realize he was scoring so much until halfway through the 3rd quarter when he started approaching 50 points.

The place chanted for Carmelo to come back after Woodson sat him. Even J.R. Smith was trying to keep the chant going but Woodson wouldn't budge. That said, I think Carmelo was getting really tired. You could see his energy slipping toward the end. Once he hit the record, he was out.

It was awesome to see and was only my second Knicks game at the Garden in 12 years. I never get to see record breaking stuff so this was pretty sweet

/end CSB
 
2014-01-25 01:18:00 PM  

Super Chronic: The Bestest: does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?

One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."


I don't know who you're thinking of, but Haley wasn't on the team then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html
 
2014-01-25 01:34:56 PM  

devilskware: Super Chronic: The Bestest: does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?

One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."

I don't know who you're thinking of, but Haley wasn't on the team then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html


It was this game:  http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198811090BOS.html

It was Haley's NBA debut.  Great story still.
 
2014-01-25 01:52:56 PM  
Look at the list of players that have scored 60 or more points in a game. Take out Wilt and you are left with a good portion of them being modern era or close to it. Yes, defense was different back then, but why didn't anyone else have a crap load of 60-plus games? I think it's unfair to downplay his accomplishments.
 
2014-01-25 02:12:02 PM  

The Guitar Solo from Ride the Lightning: devilskware: Super Chronic: The Bestest: does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?

One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."

I don't know who you're thinking of, but Haley wasn't on the team then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html

It was this game:  http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198811090BOS.html

It was Haley's NBA debut.  Great story still.


Dunno, maybe I had my references mixed up since it was more than 20 years ago. It was some extremely high scoring game by Jordan, and it was definitely Haley who said it. I thought it was the 69-point game but it seems I was wrong about that one.
 
2014-01-25 02:19:49 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Look at the list of players that have scored 60 or more points in a game. Take out Wilt and you are left with a good portion of them being modern era or close to it. Yes, defense was different back then, but why didn't anyone else have a crap load of 60-plus games? I think it's unfair to downplay his accomplishments.


The Wilt haters don't want to listen to that.  They'll first argue that centers were smaller then, ignoring the fact that due to the smaller number of teams, they average height difference is maybe an inch at most (I last checked this a few years ago).

They'll ignore that he was a once-in-a-lifetime physical freak - collegiate high jumper, absolutely ripped (there's a picture of him in his forties posing with a young Arnold Schwarznegger and he makes Arnold look small), and, in the age of shiatty shoes and minimal team medical support, he averaged over 48 minutes in a season.

They'll call him a ball hog, despite the fact that he's the only center to ever lead the league in assists.

They will also ignore that most centers in the NBA today are absolute garbage.  Really.  Dwight Howard is considered the best center in the league right now.  Think about how sad that is.

The NBA has gotten much better since Wilt's day, but not at the center position.  The guard and forward play, though, is much better.  John Havlicek, for one, would be a benchwarmer these days.
 
2014-01-25 06:05:11 PM  

dragonchild: Carmelo Anthony. . . no surprise there.  He's hands-down the best half a superstar of this generation's NBA.


LucklessWonder: Kevin Durant would dispute that.


Gunny Highway: The Thunder are a good defensive unit.


This; Durant isn't a great defender but from what I hear he does play D.  Melo is a scoring machine and. . . pretty much that's it.  The key to beating the Knicks is to get the ball in Melo's hands, double-team him and crash the boards, but every now and then it backfires when he decides kicking out is an option or he gets into a groove and becomes unstoppable.  Doesn't invalidate the prescription, though.

Rozotorical: The Bobcats are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA currently...


. . . and if you look at a video of Melo's buckets, very few of them are uncontested.  He created many of his own shots, others were stuff like pick-and-pops with short windows to release the jumper; usually he had a hand in his face.  The Bobcats did a good job defending him; it just didn't matter.  Although for some inexplicable reason they didn't double-team him; with the way he was shooting he wasn't going to pass so I would've tried to trap him.  All that said, it's not like he bullied his way -- most of those 62 points were hard-earned.

FLMountainMan: They will also ignore that most centers in the NBA today are absolute garbage. Really. Dwight Howard is considered the best center in the league right now. Think about how sad that is.


I think the center position is kind of obsolete now, along with the post moves that go with it.  Back during the days of man defense you either committed to leaving a guy open and got burned, or the double team would take a little time to arrive.  So, if you're a 7-footer and had the skills to beat your man (or the defensive prowess to stay in front of him without fouling out), you were a superstar.  With zone defenses now being legal, beyond 6'8"-6'9" or so, positioning is now much more important for defense than height; some of the better interior defenders are often only a step away so a low-post scorer needs extra quickness.  Also with better conditioning, guys who are ~6' 8" can get almost as vertical as the 7-footers who can barely jump without injuring their feet.  Long story short, a modern forward is typically quicker and more durable and almost without an elevation handicap, so why bet the farm on a center?  It's not that the NBA can't use 7-footers anymore, but it's not like being 7 feet makes you only a decent work ethic away from being worth max salary.  Someone like David Robinson would still be very good, but these days Luc Longley probably wouldn't even have a career.

It's not like the centers have vanished; if anything, these days with modern communications they should be easier than ever to find.  However, today's answer to a 7-footer threatening the paint isn't to put another 7-footer on him; it's to seal off the passing lanes with a zone, and almost no 7-footers have an answer for that.  On the flip side, Tyson Chandler is valued not because he's 7 feet per se; it's because he's a center with good positioning.  The guy isn't lighting up the scoreboard with blocks, but he's good at contesting shots in the paint.
 
2014-01-25 07:38:32 PM  
And zero assists.
 
2014-01-25 09:12:24 PM  

FLMountainMan: They'll ignore that he was a once-in-a-lifetime physical freak - collegiate high jumper, absolutely ripped (there's a picture of him in his forties posing with a young Arnold Schwarznegger and he makes Arnold look small), and, in the age of shiatty shoes and minimal team medical support, he averaged over 48 minutes in a season.

They'll call him a ball hog, despite the fact that he's the only center to ever lead the league in assists.

They will also ignore that most centers in the NBA today are absolute garbage. Really. Dwight Howard is considered the best center in the league right now. Think about how sad that is.


I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.  Is Wilt one of the the 3 best players ever? Yes, of course.  Was he a me first sort of player? I think that is up for debate.  The year he lead the league in assists he made that a personal goal.  Did he sacrafice scoring to get it? Hard to say because the coverage then isnt what it is today.  The truth is somewhere between the "haters" and the "lovers."

jankyboy: And zero assists.


Who should he have passed the ball to haha, They won the game.  That's what matters.

dragonchild: think the center position is kind of obsolete now, along with the post moves that go with it. Back during the days of man defense you either committed to leaving a guy open and got burned, or the double team would take a little time to arrive. So, if you're a 7-footer and had the skills to beat your man (or the defensive prowess to stay in front of him without fouling out), you were a superstar. With zone defenses now being legal, beyond 6'8"-6'9" or so, positioning is now much more important for defense than height; some of the better interior defenders are often only a step away so a low-post scorer needs extra quickness. Also with better conditioning, guys who are ~6' 8" can get almost as vertical as the 7-footers who can barely jump without injuring their feet. Long story short, a modern forward is typically quicker and more durable and almost without an elevation handicap, so why bet the farm on a center? It's not that the NBA can't use 7-footers anymore, but it's not like being 7 feet makes you only a decent work ethic away from being worth max salary. Someone like David Robinson would still be very good, but these days Luc Longley probably wouldn't even have a career.

It's not like the centers have vanished; if anything, these days with modern communications they should be easier than ever to find. However, today's answer to a 7-footer threatening the paint isn't to put another 7-footer on him; it's to seal off the passing lanes with a zone, and almost no 7-footers have an answer for that. On the flip side, Tyson Chandler is valued not because he's 7 feet per se; it's because he's a center with good positioning. The guy isn't lighting up the scoreboard with blocks, but he's good at contesting shots in the paint.


The Center position is interesting.  Howard and Gasol are valued for their ability to effect the other team's offense.  Shaq was the last center to effect the game on the offensive end in a way that will win championships.  The Griz have tried but it only brought them so far.  And let's be honest about height, it isnt something that needs to work around the hoop to be successful.  Dirk and Durrant have proven that you can use your length away from the basket and be beyond successful.

It is a different game.  It didnt change from Wilt's day until now, it has evolved this way.  I understand people not enjoying it but the game of today is what came from the three point line being introduced, the players being bigger and more athletic, and the difference in training.  It isn't better or worse but I can understand why it bothers older fans who want to see the game played "the right way."

In my opinion, as a long time fan, the league is as good as it has been since Jordan.  The star players are committed to basketball first.  I LOVE the current game, the league, and the players.  I only see it getting better.

Cheers, basketball fans.
 
2014-01-26 03:04:21 AM  

Super Chronic: The Guitar Solo from Ride the Lightning: devilskware: Super Chronic: The Bestest: does this mean we no longer have to hear about Jordan's double-nickel?

One of my favorite sports quotes came after Jordan scored 69 points in a game. Jack Haley, the Bulls' backup center, said "I'll always remember this as the game when Michael and I combined for 71 points."

I don't know who you're thinking of, but Haley wasn't on the team then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html

It was this game:  http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198811090BOS.html

It was Haley's NBA debut.  Great story still.

Dunno, maybe I had my references mixed up since it was more than 20 years ago. It was some extremely high scoring game by Jordan, and it was definitely Haley who said it. I thought it was the 69-point game but it seems I was wrong about that one.


its attributed to Haley and Stacy King in different places on the web but the nba website says:

8. Wennington, Jordan combine for 57 points

After Michael Jordan "unretired" in March 1995, the Bulls experienced a few ups and downs as Jordan reacquainted himself with the hardcourt. One of the "up" nights was March 28, 1995, his fourth game back. The Bulls and Jordan returning to Madison Square Garden to play the Knicks was being described in the same breath as the Beatles playing Shea Stadium. T-shirts reading "Just when you thought it was safe . . . he's back" were selling at the Garden like Italian ice on Oak Street Beach.

Jordan burned John Starks and his Knickerbocker mates for 55 points. But it was the shot Jordan didn't take that Bulls fans remember best. With 14 seconds left and the score knotted at 111, Jordan drove the lane for the winning bucket. That's when Patrick Ewing came out to double team Jordan, leaving Bill Wennington wide open for an easy dunk. Game over. In the victorious locker room, Wennington was telling everyone who would listen: "How about that? Michael and I combined for 57 points."

http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/ten_great_shots.html
 
2014-01-26 11:53:55 AM  

elguerodiablo: Jordan burned John Starks and his Knickerbocker mates for 55 points.


Farkin Starks.. could've won in '94.

/I also blame OJ
 
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