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(Des Moines Register)   A high-speed police chase that spanned two counties in Iowa started with the theft of an eyebrow pencil and a pair of tweezers and ended with a car bursting into flames   (blogs.desmoinesregister.com) divider line 60
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2014-01-25 03:26:54 AM  
perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh
 
2014-01-25 03:53:46 AM  
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2014-01-25 04:22:05 AM  

namatad: perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh


OK, but can we chase at high speed those with no perspective?
 
2014-01-25 04:31:59 AM  
Were they tweezerman tweezers, cause then I can see this being totes worth it!
 
2014-01-25 04:33:33 AM  
High end tweezers ain't nuthin to mess round with.

Thats factual.
 
2014-01-25 04:36:55 AM  
Maybe he's born with it...

blogs.desmoinesregister.com
 
2014-01-25 04:43:18 AM  
"It was quite a hectic morning for something that started that minor," said Pleasant Hill Police Officer Adam Choat. "Sometimes that's how it goes."

That is an unfortunate last name.
 
2014-01-25 04:46:52 AM  
Promised and delivered.
 
2014-01-25 05:04:22 AM  
Why did it escalate the way it did? FTFA...  "About 3:50 a.m., an employee from the Pleasant Hill Hy-Vee, 4815 Maple Drive, contacted police to report that two women were shoplifting pharmaceuticals"

Because it was a report of a possible felony taking place. It is on the people that reported it. Also it was in the overnight hours and minimal traffic was on the roads.
 
2014-01-25 05:10:21 AM  

pagstuff: namatad: perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh

OK, but can we chase at high speed those with no perspective?


Actually, it's really dangerous to encourage people with no perspective to drive fast. They keep misjudging the distance of things and running into them.
 
2014-01-25 05:11:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: High end tweezers ain't nuthin to mess round with.

Thats factual.


The ones that are encrusted with zircons are really badass.
 
2014-01-25 05:21:25 AM  
Officials said they took a lot of factors into account when deciding to continue the chase, including the lack of traffic early in the morning and the fact the occupants were accused of stealing drugs.

"The way they took off, the way they were driving, we didn't know if there was a wanted person in the vehicle or if something else was going on,"


Arseholes. Hundreds of people get killed every year in high-speed chases, a lot of them innocent bystanders. "Stealing drugs"? They were shoplifting, so this would be over-the-counter stuff. In any case, there was no violent crime, and no reason to think there was an immediate danger to anyone.

As the truck sped through Des Moines, officers began asking dispatchers for fire crews to respond.
"They knew what was going to happen," Choat said.


Exactly. 35-40% of all chases end in crashes. Was it worth risking the lives of cops and civilians? Or even a petty criminal? Bunch of d*ckhead adrenaline junkies and bullies. (Not all cops, but these.)
 
2014-01-25 05:36:13 AM  
 
2014-01-25 05:37:47 AM  

danielscissorhands: Maybe he's born with it...


That sure as shiat ain't Maybelline (or however it's spelled). I say extradite him to Florida and bunk him with Justine. A match made in heaven!
 
GBB
2014-01-25 05:48:43 AM  

jso2897: pagstuff: namatad: perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh

OK, but can we chase at high speed those with no perspective?

Actually, it's really dangerous to encourage people with no perspective to drive fast. They keep misjudging the distance of things and running into them.


That's why they forced perspective on them.

"Those with no perspective need it forced upon them."  -Made Up
 
2014-01-25 06:12:38 AM  

gerbilpox: Officials said they took a lot of factors into account when deciding to continue the chase, including the lack of traffic early in the morning and the fact the occupants were accused of stealing drugs.

"The way they took off, the way they were driving, we didn't know if there was a wanted person in the vehicle or if something else was going on,"

Arseholes. Hundreds of people get killed every year in high-speed chases, a lot of them innocent bystanders. "Stealing drugs"? They were shoplifting, so this would be over-the-counter stuff. In any case, there was no violent crime, and no reason to think there was an immediate danger to anyone.

As the truck sped through Des Moines, officers began asking dispatchers for fire crews to respond.
"They knew what was going to happen," Choat said.

Exactly. 35-40% of all chases end in crashes. Was it worth risking the lives of cops and civilians? Or even a petty criminal? Bunch of d*ckhead adrenaline junkies and bullies. (Not all cops, but these.)


So, someone who would run from the police after having committed such a petty crime would obviously pull over if they had done something more serious.
 
2014-01-25 06:28:24 AM  
I know we shouldn't have the death penalty for people who flee law enforcement, but maybe we could just tack on a hundred years in prison?
 
2014-01-25 06:30:28 AM  

Cataholic: gerbilpox: Officials said they took a lot of factors into account when deciding to continue the chase, including the lack of traffic early in the morning and the fact the occupants were accused of stealing drugs.

"The way they took off, the way they were driving, we didn't know if there was a wanted person in the vehicle or if something else was going on,"

Arseholes. Hundreds of people get killed every year in high-speed chases, a lot of them innocent bystanders. "Stealing drugs"? They were shoplifting, so this would be over-the-counter stuff. In any case, there was no violent crime, and no reason to think there was an immediate danger to anyone.

As the truck sped through Des Moines, officers began asking dispatchers for fire crews to respond.
"They knew what was going to happen," Choat said.

Exactly. 35-40% of all chases end in crashes. Was it worth risking the lives of cops and civilians? Or even a petty criminal? Bunch of d*ckhead adrenaline junkies and bullies. (Not all cops, but these.)

So, someone who would run from the police after having committed such a petty crime would obviously pull over if they had done something more serious.


That someone could have been the next Hitler.  Hell, this could have been a whole car-full of Hitlers.  The police did the only sane thing.
 
2014-01-25 06:46:02 AM  
Jerry was a race car driver.
 
2014-01-25 06:52:08 AM  

GBB: jso2897: pagstuff: namatad: perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh

OK, but can we chase at high speed those with no perspective?

Actually, it's really dangerous to encourage people with no perspective to drive fast. They keep misjudging the distance of things and running into them.

That's why they forced perspective on them.

"Those with no perspective need it forced upon them."  -Made Up


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Katy Perry is on it!
 
2014-01-25 06:55:41 AM  
There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.
 
2014-01-25 07:17:39 AM  

jso2897: Marcus Aurelius: High end tweezers ain't nuthin to mess round with.

Thats factual.

The ones that are encrusted with zircons are really badass.


But have you ever had a high speed chase on a horse just this big?
 
2014-01-25 07:26:46 AM  

croesius: jso2897: Marcus Aurelius: High end tweezers ain't nuthin to mess round with.

Thats factual.

The ones that are encrusted with zircons are really badass.

But have you ever had a high speed chase on a horse just this big?


Indeed I did. And all the other cowboys thought I was mighty grand.
 
2014-01-25 07:35:46 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.


There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.
 
2014-01-25 07:45:53 AM  

ReapTheChaos: TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.

There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.


Or, you know.. follow them until they run out of gas.. There is a crazy idea.  Why would getting some drunk to blaze at high speeds in the public streets be a problem?  I guess  it isn't until it is you, your family, or friends are killed by the drunk.. or the person running from the cops at 100mph.  What crime is worth the life of your kids?
 
2014-01-25 07:48:34 AM  
Why did the cops insist on doing the arrests near a burning car? They're lucky the thing didn't explode as they were cuffing the suspects.
 
2014-01-25 07:51:40 AM  

namatad: perspective
and why people with power, should be held above the common man and expected to have it
perspective

petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh


So we need to send them to Frogstar World B, then. I'm OK with that.
 
2014-01-25 08:36:21 AM  
That's about right.
 
2014-01-25 08:46:44 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: ReapTheChaos: TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.

There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or, you know.. follow them until they run out of gas.. There is a crazy idea.  Why would getting some drunk to blaze at high speeds in the public streets be a problem?  I guess  it isn't until it is you, your family, or friends are killed by the drunk.. or the person running from the cops at 100mph.  What crime is worth the life of your kids?


So, now all they need is a full tank of gas and get out of Dodge?  Because all criminals slow down after the chase is called off and have never caused a wreck with injuries once the cops are no longer behind them.  That never happens, criminals stressed always come to their senses without hurting anyone.

/I hope your sarcasm meter picked that last part up.
 
2014-01-25 09:01:51 AM  
don't drive and put on make-up
 
2014-01-25 09:11:54 AM  
I've been to Iowa. There is fark all else to do in Iowa.
 
2014-01-25 09:29:02 AM  
Whatever a Hy-Vee is there are two facts from the article: They're open at 3:50 am and anyone leaving the store can be a drug suspect. No. Three facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers. No. Four facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers and eye makeup stuff.
 
2014-01-25 09:30:04 AM  
FTFA's comments:

I did time with pancoast. Hes awesome guy actually it didn't surprise me that he made it that far. The guy is like god when it comes to motors now he just proved it.

I'm not sure you paid enough attention in Sunday school.
 
2014-01-25 09:41:13 AM  

BitwiseShift: Whatever a Hy-Vee is there are two facts from the article: They're open at 3:50 am and anyone leaving the store can be a drug suspect. No. Three facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers. No. Four facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers and eye makeup stuff.


Hy-Vee is a 24-hour grocery store with helpful smiles (and methamphetamine precursors, booze, and make-up) in every aisle.
 
2014-01-25 09:44:10 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.


This reads like the "obviously wrong" answer on a multiple choice test.
 
2014-01-25 09:46:04 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Katy Perry is on it!


No that's Coco Chanel
 
2014-01-25 09:55:25 AM  

skinink: Why did the cops insist on doing the arrests near a burning car? They're lucky the thing didn't explode as they were cuffing the suspects.


They had good info that Michael Bay was not, repeat NOT in the vicinity.
 
2014-01-25 10:07:09 AM  
Maybe people shouldn't steal and flee the police.
 
2014-01-25 10:09:57 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: Or, you know.. follow them until they run out of gas.. There is a crazy idea.


They were following him. they werent mashing the gas pedal on his pickup.
 
2014-01-25 10:23:52 AM  

jmr61: Maybe people shouldn't steal and flee the police.


Wrong!  Wrong!  Wrong!  It's the cops fault,100%.  If there were no cops, none of this shiat would have happened, and rainbows and unicorns would rule the land.

OK, I'm a little iffy on how the rainbows and unicorns would run things, but dammit, it would be great.
 
2014-01-25 10:25:25 AM  
Another chase from Pleasant Hill to Des Moines that didn't end so well for the thieves
/Was working dispatch in the next county north
//Heard the whole thing over the radio
///Lawnmower > tweezers
 
2014-01-25 10:28:56 AM  
Damn it, they shoulda turned the chase  music off!
static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-25 10:31:33 AM  
"Gee, Uncle buzzcut73, are the thieves going to be OK?"
 
2014-01-25 10:33:15 AM  

another cultural observer: BitwiseShift: Whatever a Hy-Vee is there are two facts from the article: They're open at 3:50 am and anyone leaving the store can be a drug suspect. No. Three facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers. No. Four facts: opens at 3:50 am, customers are drug suspects, and they sell tweezers and eye makeup stuff.

Hy-Vee is a 24-hour grocery store with helpful smiles (and methamphetamine precursors, booze, and make-up) in every aisle.


And, the Hy-Vee up near Mrs. Croesius' homestead in South Dakota has a mighty find beer selection at that! Love that damn store. Beats the hell out of Kroger.
 
2014-01-25 10:45:20 AM  
welp, when we finally have had enough with the chases, lets push for a manditory remote kill switch on all cars. until then, chases will continue because there is a chance they may get away, how ever small, and fark you and your family they are going to take it
 
2014-01-25 10:51:09 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: ReapTheChaos: TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.

There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or, you know.. follow them until they run out of gas.. There is a crazy idea.  Why would getting some drunk to blaze at high speeds in the public streets be a problem?  I guess  it isn't until it is you, your family, or friends are killed by the drunk.. or the person running from the cops at 100mph.  What crime is worth the life of your kids?


WTF do you think a chase is??
 
2014-01-25 11:03:47 AM  

ReapTheChaos: There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.


Or you know, you take down their license plate number and arrest them later.

You seem authoritarian dumb, so I'm sure your next response is "what if the car was stolen." The answer is, "people don't steal cars to knock off toe nail clippers from Hy-Vee."
 
2014-01-25 11:04:45 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: [imagizer.imageshack.us image 500x322]


Done in two.
 
2014-01-25 11:08:57 AM  
People should never be allowed to get away with crime, ever.  Its permissive attitudes like that making the world a cruddy place to live in to begin with.
 
2014-01-25 11:34:25 AM  

impaler: ReapTheChaos: There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or you know, you take down their license plate number and arrest them later.

You seem authoritarian dumb, so I'm sure your next response is "what if the car was stolen." The answer is, "people don't steal cars to knock off toe nail clippers from Hy-Vee."


This is actually a great authoritarian position.  Take down their plates, get their image from store security, then go into their home with a warrant and try to collar them on a felony based on what you find within.  At that point, contact Family Services and take their kids.  They'll languish in the system for years, all because the cops wanted to avoid a chase to invade their home instead.
 
2014-01-25 12:04:12 PM  
You can never be too careful when it comes to eyebrow pencils.
 
2014-01-25 12:16:27 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.


Been in multiple vehicle pursuits. None of them are fun.
 
2014-01-25 12:18:11 PM  

namatad: petty theft = ZERO high speed chases. EVER
punishment for having no perspective should be extreme harsh


Actually the police seem to have acted pretty rationally and reasonable here given the information they had. The call came through as stolen pharmaceuticals. That's someone swiping drugs from a pharmacy. From the article they made a reasoned decision about continuing the chase taking into account the reported theft, the actions of the suspects, the lack of traffic and made a pretty defensible risk assessment. Even more in their favor they didn't open fire or beat the crap out of anyone after the chase and didn't pile on made up charges. Not a single 'terrorist' charge in the lot. The guy driven was charge with evading, driving with a suspended license, failing to obey a traffic control device and speeding, all pretty reasonable charges. The girl who took the stuff was charged with fifth-degree theft. And the other 2 weren't charged.

Compare this to the typical story you see here along this vain. Everyone in the truck would have at least gotten the crap beat out of them. Likely several would be dead from the barrage of 1000's of rounds of gunfire. They all would have had a long list of felony charges including resisting for, you know, getting in the way of the cops fists. There would be at least 2 or 3 charges against each of them for terroristic this and terroristic that.

No, in this case I'm 100% with the cops. Sounds like a job well done to me.
 
2014-01-25 12:20:38 PM  

impaler: ReapTheChaos: There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or you know, you take down their license plate number and arrest them later.

You seem authoritarian dumb, so I'm sure your next response is "what if the car was stolen." The answer is, "people don't steal cars to knock off toe nail clippers from Hy-Vee."


License plate tells you who owns the car, not who is driving it. No ID on the driver = no case.

What about rental cars?
Company cars?
Falsely registered cars?
Stolen cars?
Stolen plates?
Cars with no plates??

I could go on and on.
 
2014-01-25 12:40:36 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.

Been in multiple vehicle pursuits. None of them are fun.


This. (assuming you were not the runner..)
 
2014-01-25 01:03:35 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: License plate tells you who owns the car, not who is driving it. No ID on the driver = no case.


If only the place he stole from had some sort of image recording device for security...
 
2014-01-25 03:41:29 PM  
If we just did away with all laws this tragedy could have been averted
 
2014-01-25 04:11:11 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: ReapTheChaos: TrotlineDesigns: There is never a reason for a high speed chase.. Ever.  I see it here in S. Florida with DUI suspects often.  Why risk a drunk going faster, now even more nervous and paying less attention on a public street?
It isn't fair to the citizens to risk their lives over some other person's crime when in the end more than anything else the cops do it for fun.

There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or, you know.. follow them until they run out of gas.. There is a crazy idea.  Why would getting some drunk to blaze at high speeds in the public streets be a problem?  I guess  it isn't until it is you, your family, or friends are killed by the drunk.. or the person running from the cops at 100mph.  What crime is worth the life of your kids?


Um, that's what they're already doing. You think they're going to calmly drive along with the cops following behind them? No, they will speed up and that's how high speed pursuits begin. Did you even think about that reply before you typed it?

impaler: ReapTheChaos: There you go, the best way to fight crime is to let people know all they have to do to get away with one is to break the speed limit. Real genius plan.

Or you know, you take down their license plate number and arrest them later.

You seem authoritarian dumb, so I'm sure your next response is "what if the car was stolen." The answer is, "people don't steal cars to knock off toe nail clippers from Hy-Vee."


That wouldn't prove who was driving the car. No proof of driver, no arrest. Also, do you think that someone who would run from the cops and start a high speed chase would calmly open the door once they're home?

In most of these cases, these people run from the cops because they, or someone in the car, are wanted by police, have drugs on them, are drunk/high or a combination of those.
 
2014-01-25 05:28:37 PM  

ReapTheChaos: That wouldn't prove who was driving the car. No proof of driver, no arrest. Also, do you think that someone who would run from the cops and start a high speed chase would calmly open the door once they're home?


Guess what, there's ways to easily identify thieves even if you don't know they're driving. And you can easily arrest someone at home. It's been done plenty of times. The high-speed chase begins with the person thinking they can easily lose the cop, and then things escalate. With no escape path, they usually capitulate easily.

in most cases. You can run the plates. find where they live, put surveillance on the house and easily arrest them when they come home.
 
2014-01-26 01:02:33 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Jerry was a race car driver.


Primus sucks.
 
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