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(New Musical Express)   University of Missouri's English department is offering a class on the relationship between Jay-Z and Kanye West   (nme.com) divider line 38
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2014-01-24 08:29:39 PM
Hov sent his only son, Yeezus, to be crucified for our sins.
 
2014-01-24 08:39:27 PM
Sounds cool and all but I can't take it since it's at the same time as my "Nicholas Cage: Good or Bad?" class.
 
ecl
2014-01-24 08:40:05 PM
At least we aren't Texas!
 
2014-01-24 08:43:30 PM

ecl: At least we aren't Texas!


Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"
 
2014-01-24 08:47:48 PM
Liberal Arts... lulz
 
2014-01-24 08:48:47 PM
But Jay-Z Must let the world think that he IS kanye west, until he learns to control the raging d-bag living inside him...
 
ecl
2014-01-24 08:56:59 PM

macross87: ecl: At least we aren't Texas!

Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"


 I'll take the silly people over the willfully ignorant Jesus lovin folk.
 
2014-01-24 09:05:30 PM
This must be one of those no-show classes the athletic department recommends.
 
2014-01-24 09:10:59 PM
well that seems like quite a reach
around.
 
2014-01-24 09:20:33 PM
M-I-J-Z...
 
2014-01-24 09:29:01 PM
So let's see...it's Missouri, and it's a discussion of two rap artists...

My money's on the course catalog calling this class "Advanced N-Word Talk."
 
2014-01-24 09:35:51 PM
They have a relationship? Does that mean Kim and Beyonce are getting it on, too?
 
2014-01-24 09:37:46 PM

ecl: macross87: ecl: At least we aren't Texas!

Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"

 I'll take the silly people over the willfully ignorant Jesus lovin folk.


What if the silly ones start loving Jesus?
 
2014-01-24 09:38:14 PM
I think they're brothers
 
2014-01-24 09:46:13 PM

OHDUDENESS: Liberal Arts... lulz


You sound young. And poorly educated. But please, sir, do tell us your thoughts.
 
2014-01-24 09:55:47 PM

August11: OHDUDENESS: Liberal Arts... lulz

You sound young. And poorly educated. But please, sir, do tell us your thoughts.


I thought the only classes worth taking were those that led to jobs.  What else could education be for?
 
2014-01-24 09:55:54 PM
This isn't even close to the worst story about Mizzou that came out today.
 
2014-01-24 09:57:25 PM
eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.
 
ecl
2014-01-24 10:02:20 PM

macross87: ecl: macross87: ecl: At least we aren't Texas!

Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"

 I'll take the silly people over the willfully ignorant Jesus lovin folk.

What if the silly ones start loving Jesus?


So many do...
 
2014-01-24 10:07:30 PM
They're dating?
 
2014-01-24 10:12:50 PM

Mentat: This isn't even close to the worst story about Mizzou that came out today.


I saw that redlit link above. Sigh. In HS I was chased by a group of Mizzou football players who had a similar intent. I ran into a gay bar and they stopped in their tracks, backed out slowly. Their entitlement is ridiculous.

/townie, didn't go to Mizzou
//Columbia has changed, not for the better IMO
///will go home for family and Shakespeare's only
 
2014-01-24 10:29:39 PM
I'd take that class just to hear the professor and/or everyone else dance around the use of the N-word in the artists' lyrics etc.

Or maybe there will be a first-day disclaimer that the class is an N-word free zone.
 
2014-01-24 11:33:33 PM

endtimethirtyfour: eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.


Then why make it specifically about two individuals? The professor has a hardon for his own philosophy and is trying to push it on his students.

At least he should offer a class on music theory, and how these two are in no way related to any of the concepts.
 
2014-01-24 11:52:25 PM
The irony is that both of them would fail the class, since repeatedly copying off of other classmates' papers isn't excused just because you call it "sampling".
 
2014-01-25 12:00:00 AM

Abacus9: endtimethirtyfour: eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.

Then why make it specifically about two individuals? The professor has a hardon for his own philosophy and is trying to push it on his students.

At least he should offer a class on music theory, and how these two are in no way related to any of the concepts.


Because they both are well-known and have a reasonably large body of work.  The professor could throw 500 performers at the class and keep making the same point over and over again.  Or, he can narrow the focus, spend time seriously analyzing just these two, teaching the students how to apply theory to lyrics/poetry over the course of an entire corpus, and then they can go do it with whatever artist they want.  And, if he theory is valid, it doesn't matter which artist it is applied to, so why not pick two the students have actually heard of?
 
2014-01-25 12:01:34 AM

EdgeRunner: The irony is that both of them would fail the class, since repeatedly copying off of other classmates' papers isn't excused just because you call it "sampling".


William Shakespeare's entire body of work would like to have a word with you.
 
2014-01-25 12:26:02 AM

phalamir: Abacus9: endtimethirtyfour: eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.

Then why make it specifically about two individuals? The professor has a hardon for his own philosophy and is trying to push it on his students.

At least he should offer a class on music theory, and how these two are in no way related to any of the concepts.

Because they both are well-known and have a reasonably large body of work.  The professor could throw 500 performers at the class and keep making the same point over and over again.  Or, he can narrow the focus, spend time seriously analyzing just these two, teaching the students how to apply theory to lyrics/poetry over the course of an entire corpus, and then they can go do it with whatever artist they want.  And, if he theory is valid, it doesn't matter which artist it is applied to, so why not pick two the students have actually heard of?


What's to say the theory is valid and not just a waste of time? A poetry class doesn't focus on just two poets.

Your Shakespeare analogy I also disagree with. Rewriting material isn't the same as copypasta. I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but sampling is stealing, period.
 
2014-01-25 12:37:03 AM

Abacus9: phalamir: Abacus9: endtimethirtyfour: eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.

Then why make it specifically about two individuals? The professor has a hardon for his own philosophy and is trying to push it on his students.

At least he should offer a class on music theory, and how these two are in no way related to any of the concepts.

Because they both are well-known and have a reasonably large body of work.  The professor could throw 500 performers at the class and keep making the same point over and over again.  Or, he can narrow the focus, spend time seriously analyzing just these two, teaching the students how to apply theory to lyrics/poetry over the course of an entire corpus, and then they can go do it with whatever artist they want.  And, if he theory is valid, it doesn't matter which artist it is applied to, so why not pick two the students have actually heard of?

What's to say the theory is valid and not just a waste of time? A poetry class doesn't focus on just two poets.

Your Shakespeare analogy I also disagree with. Rewriting material isn't the same as copypasta. I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but sampling is stealing, period.


So does "The Waste Land" sample, or allude?

There are worse classes than this on the books, at better schools than Missouri. I am led to wonder about the upside of teaching students something they already know, as distinct from something they might not know yet.
 
2014-01-25 01:03:58 AM

phalamir: EdgeRunner: The irony is that both of them would fail the class, since repeatedly copying off of other classmates' papers isn't excused just because you call it "sampling".

William Shakespeare's entire body of work would like to have a word with you.


Francis Bacon, is that you? Look man, I know you feel Shakespeare might have borrowed some of your work, but that was ages ago. Let it go and move towards the damn light, already.

/nice attempt at trying to compare Jay-Z and Kanye to Shakespeare, by the way, but I highly doubt anyone will be performing Yeezus In the Park in a hundred years time. Even in current day, their work barely scores a fraction of the attention given to the warblings of Justin "I am the eggman" Bieber.

//but if it helps any, Shakespeare would probably be the first thrown out of the class. Even the most liberal colleges would find his codpiece a gross violation of school dress codes.
 
2014-01-25 01:09:22 AM

overheard in mayfair: Abacus9: phalamir: Abacus9: endtimethirtyfour: eh, it doesn't seem that horrendous of a concept:

"...the class will explore the duo's intertwined careers from three perspectives: "(1) Where do they fit within, and how do they change, the history of hip-hop music?; (2) How is what they do similar to and different from what poets do?, and (3) How does their rise to both celebrity and corporate power alter what we understand as the American dream?"

The whole "American Dream" schtick is explored in tons of English courses--this seems at least an interesting angle to play with.

Then why make it specifically about two individuals? The professor has a hardon for his own philosophy and is trying to push it on his students.

At least he should offer a class on music theory, and how these two are in no way related to any of the concepts.

Because they both are well-known and have a reasonably large body of work.  The professor could throw 500 performers at the class and keep making the same point over and over again.  Or, he can narrow the focus, spend time seriously analyzing just these two, teaching the students how to apply theory to lyrics/poetry over the course of an entire corpus, and then they can go do it with whatever artist they want.  And, if he theory is valid, it doesn't matter which artist it is applied to, so why not pick two the students have actually heard of?

What's to say the theory is valid and not just a waste of time? A poetry class doesn't focus on just two poets.

Your Shakespeare analogy I also disagree with. Rewriting material isn't the same as copypasta. I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but sampling is stealing, period.

So does "The Waste Land" sample, or allude?

There are worse classes than this on the books, at better schools than Missouri. I am led to wonder about the upside of teaching students something they already know, as distinct from something they might not know yet.


When I was in college, they offered a philosophy class about the Simpsons. Even as a fan, I had to roll my eyes and wonder who would take that. I was more of a hard sciences guy. Even the humanities I took were things like music theory and logic. I don't get this stuff, it seems to me like some tenured asshole goofing off and screwing his students out of a real education.
 
2014-01-25 06:04:31 AM
Something to thing about in the next Fark thread about student loan debt, high tuition and government funding-Look at what you are getting for your money.
 
2014-01-25 06:11:19 AM

ecl: macross87: ecl: At least we aren't Texas!

Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"

 I'll take the silly people over the willfully ignorant Jesus lovin folk.



Yet they are probably better at math and science than the silly people

Texas students beat national average in math, science
 
2014-01-25 08:02:05 AM

hasty ambush: ecl: macross87: ecl: At least we aren't Texas!

Not too sure about that. Texas would care less about both of them. They seem to apply the Simpsons' approach with some media d-bags: "Just Dont Look"

 I'll take the silly people over the willfully ignorant Jesus lovin folk.


Yet they are probably better at math and science than the silly people

Texas students beat national average in math, science


Of course they would - at least in Science.

/ever answer is "God did it"

(better than Caifornia's though)

data.whicdn.com
 
2014-01-25 10:15:24 AM
There's no chance this is real or true.

If so I weep for our world.
 
2014-01-25 10:28:48 AM
Whatever. As long as they leave "Use of word "yeah" in songs written by Paul McCartney on odd days" course alone
 
2014-01-25 01:09:44 PM
Will the class explore how Jay-Z and Kanye West changed the meaning of music producer to mean someone who takes a somewhat obscure 70's funk song, resamples the beat with an extra high hat with lame rhymes over it all? Will that chapter be included?

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir has recorded funkier stuff than either of these fools.
 
2014-01-25 01:31:19 PM

REO-Weedwagon: Will the class explore how Jay-Z and Kanye West changed the meaning of music producer to mean someone who takes a somewhat obscure 70's funk song, resamples the beat with an extra high hat with lame rhymes over it all? Will that chapter be included?

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir has recorded funkier stuff than either of these fools.


Your hip-hop production history knowledge is second to nun
 
ecl
2014-01-25 03:31:38 PM

REO-Weedwagon: Will the class explore how Jay-Z and Kanye West changed the meaning of music producer to mean someone who takes a somewhat obscure 70's funk song, resamples the beat with an extra high hat with lame rhymes over it all? Will that chapter be included?

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir has recorded funkier stuff than either of these fools.


I think the class deals with who came inside who first.

I think it was the Jiggerman.
 
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