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(The Wire)   One graduated from Stanford with a 3.9 GPA and showed poor sportsmanship after biggest win of his career. The other street-raced a sports car while drunk. Guess which one the pundits labeled "misguided" and which one they called a "dangerous thug"?   (thewire.com) divider line 302
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2014-01-24 04:53:57 PM  
 
2014-01-24 04:54:17 PM  

Odd Bird: I don't know where you get the racism angle


Well, Sherman writes for MMQB. He said what he said to Crabtree was "good game".

Many, many people (only a few on Fark) responded with things along the line of "there's no WAY that's what he said," despite the fact that every single time Sherman's recounted something he said in the game, the audio comes out later, and he said almost exactly what he says he said.

Why do so many people refuse to believe someone who consistently tells the truth, is open and honest, and doesn't hide behind tired cliches, simply because of how they looked when they said something?
 
2014-01-24 04:54:55 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Are you honestly telling me that if a white guy gets animated on TV, talks a little trash, but makes no threats, makes no offensive or personal comments, offers nothing in the way of inappropriate behavior or escalation, that he would be called a thug?  This is crap.


And just to illustrate, sometimes it takes a white celebrity acting a fool to show how ridiculous the usual comments are when a black celebrity does the same.

Read from bottom to top.


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2014-01-24 04:55:02 PM  

MycroftHolmes: if a white guy gets animated on TV, talks a little trash, but makes no threats, makes no offensive or personal comments, offers nothing in the way of inappropriate behavior or escalation, that he would be called a thug?


I can't find any examples of a white guy but here's an animated white girl who is clearly called a thug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGYLAfUER0
 
2014-01-24 04:55:38 PM  
Let's keep Sherman and get rid of Bieber and Seahawks fans.
 
2014-01-24 04:56:17 PM  

IAmRight: keypusher: In your post, I guess, because I've never seen anyone else claim he was.

Most of the media doesn't mock him enough for being a b*tch with his sorry claims after the game and then on Twitter.

The best know when they failed and use it to get better. Sorry players like Crabtree fail and then say "yeah, but it's okay."

lennavan: But you're insane if you don't think that ass slap and "hell of a game" wasn't shoving it in his face.

I think it could've been, in part, genuine. But I also know he's smart enough to know how Crabtree would take it, and knowing that, it's certainly not all genuine. Again, he regularly does similar stuff to guys who make a play on him (though obviously when the receivers actually make the play, they're not running away from him like Crabtree was).


You mean like sarcastically clapping in Roddy White's face after White caught a TD against him? I fully agree that there are racial undertones to the chatter about Sherman, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's an asshole who will try to show up opponents. Also, the little thing between him and Crabtree was on-going. No way he genuinely wanted to congratulate him in that moment. That was all for show.
 
2014-01-24 04:56:32 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: He's an athlete, that gpa is handed out.I'm not as good an athlete as he is AND I'm a worse student. I'm also poorer and stupider, and I'm bitter about his success.


FTFY
 
2014-01-24 04:57:26 PM  

IAmRight: Why do so many people refuse to believe someone who consistently tells the truth, is open and honest, and doesn't hide behind tired cliches, simply because of how they looked when they said something?


Because they were 49ers fans.  You gotta admit, you have your own blinders on pretty hard right now:

IAmRight: they're not running away from him like Crabtree was


I love that you phrased this "running away from him."
 
2014-01-24 04:58:12 PM  

lennavan: Serious Black: My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what. If they touched me out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If I touched them out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If they went way slower than their seed time, I was still supposed to tell them good race. The one time that I remember failing to shake hands with the fellow swimmers in my heat and showed poor sportsmanship, the very first thing my coaches told me was that I was a terrible sport for not doing so.

Say you're doing the 4 person relay and you swim 3rd.  This would be like your leg starts out neck and neck and you smoke the kid so bad the anchor doesn't stand a chance of ever catching up, so right after you touch the wall, you say "good race" to the kid you just smoked.

I get sportsmanship.  Rugby has you all beat - the home team takes the visiting team out drinking at the team bar.  But again, you're insane if you think Sherman was doing that to be a nice guy.


I'd wait until the race was over, but yes, I absolutely said good race to the members of a relay, even if we smoked them or they smoked us. I don't recall it happening in a relay, but I'm positive in my dual meets that I smoked a lot of people and would have several seconds (sometimes minutes in longer races) of waiting for the other competitors to finish. I know there were also races where I got smoked and they had to wait for me to finish. We would still shake hands and tell each other good race.
 
2014-01-24 04:58:45 PM  
You believe a football player's GPA is legit?


letmelaughharder.jpg
 
2014-01-24 04:59:40 PM  

OnlyM3: You believe a football player's GPA is legit?


letmelaughharder.jpg



Life isn't a "Revenge of the Nerds" movie, Reginald.
 
2014-01-24 05:00:01 PM  

Serious Black: lennavan: Serious Black: My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what. If they touched me out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If I touched them out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If they went way slower than their seed time, I was still supposed to tell them good race. The one time that I remember failing to shake hands with the fellow swimmers in my heat and showed poor sportsmanship, the very first thing my coaches told me was that I was a terrible sport for not doing so.

Say you're doing the 4 person relay and you swim 3rd.  This would be like your leg starts out neck and neck and you smoke the kid so bad the anchor doesn't stand a chance of ever catching up, so right after you touch the wall, you say "good race" to the kid you just smoked.

I get sportsmanship.  Rugby has you all beat - the home team takes the visiting team out drinking at the team bar.  But again, you're insane if you think Sherman was doing that to be a nice guy.

I'd wait until the race was over, but yes, I absolutely said good race to the members of a relay, even if we smoked them or they smoked us. I don't recall it happening in a relay, but I'm positive in my dual meets that I smoked a lot of people and would have several seconds (sometimes minutes in longer races) of waiting for the other competitors to finish. I know there were also races where I got smoked and they had to wait for me to finish. We would still shake hands and tell each other good race.


Okay, so we have established that you would have meant it earnestly.  Sherman didn't.  You're insane.
 
2014-01-24 05:00:06 PM  
What's at stake here?:

1. A professional athlete being unsportsmanlike. Dick move? Sure. Set a bad example for others? Sure. Crime committed? No. Were lives at risk? No.

2. Professional "entertainer" street races with a BAC of 0.08%. Dick move? Yes. Set a bad example for others? Yes. Crime committed? Yes. Were lives at risk? Yes.

Unsportsmanlike like conduct and impaired driving aren't comparable in any way. The only salient facts in this story are highlighted above. No one has ever been killed or critically injured by trash talking. In the U.S. alone 10,288 people were killed in 2010 because of impaired driving (source). If you think the bigger villain in this is Sherman you're f'ing retarded.
 
2014-01-24 05:00:22 PM  

OnlyM3: You believe a football player's GPA is legit?


letmelaughharder.jpg


You think a football player can't have a legitimate GPA just because he is a football player?
 
2014-01-24 05:00:43 PM  

Lorelle: "The only reason [being called a thug] bothers me is because it seems like it's the accepted way of calling someone the n-word nowadays," Sherman said.

Unfortunately, he's right.


Is that really what everyone is implying when they talk about Putin and his "thug cronies" when talking about cost overruns at Sochi? Black people?
 
2014-01-24 05:01:05 PM  

lennavan: You gotta admit, you have your own blinders on pretty hard right now:


I'm not saying it was a LARGE part of why he did it. =)

Maybe 5%.

DROxINxTHExWIND: You mean like sarcastically clapping in Roddy White's face after White caught a TD against him?


Eh, Roddy White's 3x the b*tch Crabtree is.
 
2014-01-24 05:02:10 PM  

snowshovel: Is that really what everyone is implying when they talk about Putin and his "thug cronies" when talking about cost overruns at Sochi? Black people?


Stop being dense.
 
2014-01-24 05:02:57 PM  

snowshovel: Lorelle: "The only reason [being called a thug] bothers me is because it seems like it's the accepted way of calling someone the n-word nowadays," Sherman said.

Unfortunately, he's right.

Is that really what everyone is implying when they talk about Putin and his "thug cronies" when talking about cost overruns at Sochi? Black people?


And obviously "spook" isn't a racist term because that's what we call CIA spys.
 
2014-01-24 05:03:03 PM  

snowshovel: Lorelle: "The only reason [being called a thug] bothers me is because it seems like it's the accepted way of calling someone the n-word nowadays," Sherman said.

Unfortunately, he's right.

Is that really what everyone is implying when they talk about Putin and his "thug cronies" when talking about cost overruns at Sochi? Black people?


You do realize that words can be used differently in different contexts and mean different things, right?
 
2014-01-24 05:04:32 PM  

Misconduc: Don't say "Thug" around black people, apparently its the new "N word" these days.


This.

I see Bieber more as a thug wannabe and Sherman as immature. But to me thug represents destructive urban culture (as it always has) and not a comment on race. But now everyone infers racism, misogyny, or discrimination in every word.

Call it out for what it is.

/Like "slut"
 
2014-01-24 05:04:39 PM  

Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?


Of course not.  Hockey thugs are called "goons" or "enforcers", and the sport is mostly white, so it's all okay there.

Sherman was right.  People were quick to jump on the "thug" line and call him "dangerous".  For what?  Because he was saying what he said in the presence of lilly-white Erin Andrews?  So Fox and all the others decide to "white-knight" her and save her from the dangerous Stanford grad?

BTW, Erin Andrews was jacked up about Sherman herself, and loved his spontaneous reaction:   http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/01/23/erin-andrews-on-richard - sherman-interview-it-was-awesome/

But Bieber, spits on people, drives drunk and racing a sports car in a neighbourhood, getting into random scuffles with paparazzi,  eggs neighbour's homes, is a "misguided" guy.  WTF ever, Bigots.

Sherman was right; people are using the "thug" term to cover what they really want to say.
 
2014-01-24 05:05:40 PM  

RidersOfLohan: one wasn't legally drunk

one took classes on the special atheltes only class list at a shcool that grades pass/fail


Stanford doesn't give breaks to student athlete's  nor do they have athlete only type classes which is why Tiger Woods didn't graduate.
 
2014-01-24 05:05:42 PM  

organizmx: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

That's a stupid thing to ask. Every single one of those hockey players were white. You're stupid.


The white North Americans in that brawl were just playing "old time hockey" and "honoring The Code™."

The white Europeans in that brawl were being "enigmatic" and "gutless."

Basically what it boils down to is that there are two sets of rules in North American sports: One for white, English-speaking North Americans, and one for everyone else. Race certainly plays a part for sure, but a lot of it is just "otherness" of any stripe.

It's the same reason why in baseball, a "scrappy" white guy who shows in-your-face emotion on the field has "intangibles" and is "gritty," while a Latino who does the same thing is a "showboater," or a "troublemaker."
 
2014-01-24 05:06:55 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Misconduc: Don't say "Thug" around black people, apparently its the new "N word" these days.

This.

I see Bieber more as a thug wannabe and Sherman as immature. But to me thug represents destructive urban culture (as it always has) and not a comment on race. But now everyone infers racism, misogyny, or discrimination in every word.

Call it out for what it is.

/Like "slut"


Clerks 2: Porchmonkeys.
 
2014-01-24 05:08:41 PM  

sigdiamond2000: organizmx: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

That's a stupid thing to ask. Every single one of those hockey players were white. You're stupid.

The white North Americans in that brawl were just playing "old time hockey" and "honoring The Code™."

The white Europeans in that brawl were being "enigmatic" and "gutless."

Basically what it boils down to is that there are two sets of rules in North American sports: One for white, English-speaking North Americans, and one for everyone else. Race certainly plays a part for sure, but a lot of it is just "otherness" of any stripe.

It's the same reason why in baseball, a "scrappy" white guy who shows in-your-face emotion on the field has "intangibles" and is "gritty," while a Latino who does the same thing is a "showboater," or a "troublemaker."


Or he's a grease-ball Italian.
 
2014-01-24 05:08:52 PM  
A good piece on it. Link
 
2014-01-24 05:08:55 PM  
Holy shiat the world has gone mad WHO farkING CARES
 
2014-01-24 05:09:34 PM  

LordJiro: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

I think 'being a hockey player' implies 'thug'. I mean hell, who'd watch hockey if they DIDN'T beat the snot out of each other?


I know a hockey fan who doesn't like fights.  But she's pretty unusual.
 
2014-01-24 05:10:06 PM  
Glad to say I respect no celebrity enough to be upset when they do something stupid.

But if I did, I sure as hell would respect the black football player who graduated from an academically-tough school over the puck-ass white douchebag Canadian druggie.
 
2014-01-24 05:10:58 PM  
Awesome. Almost six days later and we still have multiple 3 digit post threads daily.
 
2014-01-24 05:13:13 PM  

stappawho: Awesome. Almost six days later and we still have multiple 3 digit post threads daily.


There's a reason he's set to make 10x his football income in endorsements and is the only defensive player in the top 15 of jersey sales (BEFORE this).
 
2014-01-24 05:14:34 PM  

Mi-5: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

Of course not.  Hockey thugs are called "goons" or "enforcers", and the sport is mostly white, so it's all okay there.

Sherman was right.  People were quick to jump on the "thug" line and call him "dangerous".  For what?  Because he was saying what he said in the presence of lilly-white Erin Andrews?  So Fox and all the others decide to "white-knight" her and save her from the dangerous Stanford grad?

BTW, Erin Andrews was jacked up about Sherman herself, and loved his spontaneous reaction:   http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/01/23/erin-andrews-on-richard - sherman-interview-it-was-awesome/

But Bieber, spits on people, drives drunk and racing a sports car in a neighbourhood, getting into random scuffles with paparazzi,  eggs neighbour's homes, is a "misguided" guy.  WTF ever, Bigots.

Sherman was right; people are using the "thug" term to cover what they really want to say.


Where is this bullshiat meme that Bieber is getting a pass coming from?

I haven't read anything good about Bieber in years, except when he was nice to some girl with cancer.  He's mocked constantly, and as far as I can tell deservedly so (viz the Anne Frank remark).

But now because a black guy acted like a jerk on national television, we have to pretend that Bieber is being treated like a little angel.   Screw them both.
 
2014-01-24 05:15:34 PM  

ciberido: LordJiro: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

I think 'being a hockey player' implies 'thug'. I mean hell, who'd watch hockey if they DIDN'T beat the snot out of each other?

I know a hockey fan who doesn't like fights.  But she's pretty unusual.


The next time an NBA player goes into the stands, he should slip on an NHL jersey first. Less of a fine, probably.
 
2014-01-24 05:16:26 PM  
Oh my goodness...are we thinking and saying the wrong things?

Please, terminally above-it-all, thoughtful bloggers of the world...set us straight!

You've got a website, so...you must be gifted with wisdom far above the rest.
 
2014-01-24 05:17:02 PM  

IAmRight: stappawho: Awesome. Almost six days later and we still have multiple 3 digit post threads daily.

There's a reason he's set to make 10x his football income in endorsements and is the only defensive player in the top 15 of jersey sales (BEFORE this).


Because he's really farking good.
 
2014-01-24 05:17:25 PM  

a particular individual: Well, to be fair:

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I think this is a part of the problem. Unfortunately, for many white Amerians, their biggest exposure to "black culture" is hip-hop and rap music. Yes, there is plenty of rap and hip hop that is not thug-oriented, but even much of that still has an aggressive edge and the most popular rap/hip hop (especially among white peopole, it seems) is of the variety that glorifies thuggism/pimpin'/etc. Obviously, this type of music doesn't represent "black culture" (assuming there is in fact a single, defined black culture) any more that Duck Dynasty represents white culture. I do agree the word "thug" is used in a sense as code for the N-word, but there's a huge difference between the two words and thug is not always a codeword. Having said that, Sherman made an arse of himself. He may or may not actually be one; but we'll likely never really know and the world will likely remember him as one.
 
2014-01-24 05:17:34 PM  
All of the Seahawks are paroled thugs and they play the game of football as if the Massa of the Plantation will beat their sweethearts, wives and children if they don't cripple their opponents's bodies. Never in the history of the Game has one team gotten away with more penalties un-called than Seattle, leading to even pro announcers in the booth to gasp in astonishment. And wonder - out loud - how the Seahawks paid off officials to get away with what they do.

But then, Seattle is a thug city filled with water head thieves, so what can expect?
 
2014-01-24 05:18:29 PM  

kronicfeld: Self-aggrandizes, denigrates his opponent. So jackhole behavior.


You don't get to be a successful professional athlete without being unusually competitive and/or aggressive.  I'm not saying Sherman was classy, but he was jacked up on major adrenaline and had just had a major accomplishment.  His emotions couldn't have been perfectly controlled.

Besides, even if his words were indicative of assholishness, he still didn't break the law or endanger anyone's lives or property.  Bieber did.  What Bieber did was way worse.
 
2014-01-24 05:19:12 PM  

little Jeff: "The gist: people are writing differently about Bieber and Sherman because of the color of their skin."

If, in fact, people are treating them differently you would have to ask them why rather than just assume it's racism.


That's a great idea.  In fact, let's take it one step further.  Next time someone's on trial for murder, just ask them, "Did you intend to murder this person"?  If they say no, then reduce the charges to negligent homicide.  After all, the only way to know what a person's motives are is to ask them!

Alternatively, Jay Smooth has another method.
 
2014-01-24 05:25:17 PM  
They are both asswipes in my book.
 
2014-01-24 05:25:43 PM  

a particular individual: kronicfeld: denigrates

You mean denubianates.


media.247sports.com

What's a "denubiante"?
 
2014-01-24 05:26:06 PM  

lennavan: Because he's really farking good.


Sadly, no - that doesn't work for most non-fantasy-football guys.

He was one of the best as a rookie. He was one of the best last year and didn't make the Pro Bowl despite leading the league in interceptions and passes deflected (and passer rating against). He was an All-Pro because people within the league vote on that; fans vote on Pro Bowlers.

He's been the best in the league since he's been in it and still people are talking about this being his first impression.
 
2014-01-24 05:26:29 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: All of the Seahawks are paroled thugs and they play the game of football as if the Massa of the Plantation will beat their sweethearts, wives and children if they don't cripple their opponents's bodies. Never in the history of the Game has one team gotten away with more penalties un-called than Seattle, leading to even pro announcers in the booth to gasp in astonishment. And wonder - out loud - how the Seahawks paid off officials to get away with what they do.

But then, Seattle is a thug city filled with water head thieves, so what can expect?


FWIW, not all Denver fans are racist idiots.
/not a denver fan
 
2014-01-24 05:27:25 PM  
I also notice there's a description of what Bieber did, and no description of what Sherman did. I missed what the latter did exactly. Why is Bieber's behavior being rehashed over and over again in the media and not Sherman's?

Or maybe I missed it because I don't follow sports. No. I don't follow Bieber either and I can't seem to escape news of him.
 
2014-01-24 05:28:33 PM  
MycroftHolmes

>>> OnlyM3: You believe a football player's GPA is legit?
>>> letmelaughharder.jpg

You think a football player can't have a legitimate GPA just because he is a football player?

Impossible? no. I also can't say it's impossible the Earth has been visited by space aliens.

But which is FAR more likely, a 3.9 football player or another example of a cheat for grades? The numbers say the latter.
 
2014-01-24 05:31:31 PM  
Kam Chancellor put a major hurting on Vernon Davis again. He's made a habit of treating that guy like his abused biatch.

Richard Sherman says a few mean things.

So yes, fark the Biebs.
 
2014-01-24 05:31:58 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Not a 'Biebs' fan, but is less than 0.08% BAC actually 'drunk'?


If I was drag racing a rented Italian sports car, I'd want to be stone cold sober.
 
2014-01-24 05:33:20 PM  

OnlyM3: MycroftHolmes

>>> OnlyM3: You believe a football player's GPA is legit?
>>> letmelaughharder.jpg

You think a football player can't have a legitimate GPA just because he is a football player?
Impossible? no. I also can't say it's impossible the Earth has been visited by space aliens.

But which is FAR more likely, a 3.9 football player or another example of a cheat for grades? The numbers say the latter.


So, if I understand correctly, absent any supporting information, you assume that a person with a recorded 3.9 GPA likely cheated because he is a football player, even though all accounts of him in interviews describe him as articulate and intelligient.  I am guessing that you are therefore somehow supporting the idea that a guy who merely needs a passing GPA to play would not only cheat, but would also do so in a manner that would give him a 3.9 GPA, which would certainly draw more scrutiny than a very average GPA.

Also, I would like to see your substantiation for the idea that the numbers support that most college football players cheat.
 
2014-01-24 05:35:22 PM  

OnlyM3: another example of a cheat for grades? The numbers say the latter.


If they're going to cheat to give better grades, they're not giving 'em damn 3.9s. Cs get degrees; there's no need to give away damn near perfect grades.
 
2014-01-24 05:35:53 PM  
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