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(The Wire)   One graduated from Stanford with a 3.9 GPA and showed poor sportsmanship after biggest win of his career. The other street-raced a sports car while drunk. Guess which one the pundits labeled "misguided" and which one they called a "dangerous thug"?   (thewire.com ) divider line
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2014-01-24 04:32:30 PM  

kindms: You only get ONE chance to make a first impression and he basically introduced himself to America by coming across as an asshole.


If that was his first impression, then you don't follow football. Dude's a 2x All-Pro CB in his first two full seasons.

Odd Bird: If I recall that scene correctly, Sherman doesn't appear to be saying "hell of a game".


See, that's the funny thing about racism.

Sherman was mic'd up. The audio played. He literally said "Hell of a game. Hell of a game." And that's all.
 
2014-01-24 04:32:34 PM  
On a side note, I really really want to know how involved Sherman was in the filming and release of the headphone commercial where the reporter says something about thugs. Talk about incredibly awesome timing.

I really don't know how much he could've planned it, but he has an extremely vocal/public interview where he probably knew he would get attacked for it. I'm not sure if you could predict how much "thug" would get thrown around this week.

But, goddamn they lucked out with the release of that commercial.
 
2014-01-24 04:33:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.


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Han Crabtree shot unsportsmanliked first.


Should Sherman have exploded like that. No. Is it understandable that the did when they poked a mic in his face RIGHT after all of this happened? Yes.

 
2014-01-24 04:33:50 PM  

LincolnLogolas: Yes, but the Biebs is a Canadian. There are no Canadian thugs. Just imagine Michael J Fox walking around the hood with his 40oz.


Yeah, but he might be an hooligan!
 
2014-01-24 04:33:52 PM  
Sherman slaps Crabtree on the ass
And by slap, I mean "caressed his inner thigh in manner that my tend to provoke a punch in the face"
 
2014-01-24 04:34:14 PM  

netweavr: Carn: LordJiro: Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?

I think 'being a hockey player' implies 'thug'. I mean hell, who'd watch hockey if they DIDN'T beat the snot out of each other?

No no no, in hockey we call them goons and that is definitely a subset of all players.


Yeah, but what about the WNBA?
 
2014-01-24 04:34:31 PM  
It's like nobody remembers that Crabtree's a douchebag. Just like Eli and Elway.
 
2014-01-24 04:34:46 PM  

mediablitz: kronicfeld: From the "No one who speaks German could be an evil man" line of reasoning, if he has a college education and a good GPA, he can't possibly be a loudmouthed asshole.

Young man jacked up on adrenaline yells into a mic. Doesn't swear, just yells.

WHAT AN ASSHOLE.


Football player makes a critical play, team goes to Superbowl, yells shiat during an on-field interview.

WHAT AN ASSHOLE!

/ I thought Sherman was funny.  Don't get the hate.
 
2014-01-24 04:35:08 PM  
KILL 'EM!!
RIP THEIR HEADS OFF!!
YES! YOU'VE WON! YOU ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!
now please answer some questions calmly and carefully immediately following the game otherwise people might get the wrong idea
 
2014-01-24 04:36:01 PM  

bulldg4life: But, goddamn they lucked out with the release of that commercial.


Is it luck when Dre is in the house and two Beats endorsers (Kaepernick and Sherman) are involved in the final play, with Kaep testing Sherman? If Kaep wins that battle, then his ad about him going into the hostile Seattle environment and tuning it all out is almost perfect.

Since Sherman won, I think it was pre-planned to come out like that to make the Beats ad a bit more prescient.

/still think that he would've toned it down some but Fox cut his interview off so he never got to that part so it was pure, unadulterated smack talk
//why else would Kaepernick throw such a stupid pass?
 
2014-01-24 04:36:03 PM  

lennavan: scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.

I can't think of a nicer, more genuine time to tell someone "hell of a game" than just after you just beat him 1 on 1 killing his chances but with time still on the clock.  Does it make any sense in your head how Sherman went from kind gentleman shaking his hand and saying "hell of a game" to being an adrenaline jacked up guy talking smack in the interview?

Hell of an analysis you have there.  Hell of an analysis.


My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what. If they touched me out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If I touched them out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If they went way slower than their seed time, I was still supposed to tell them good race. The one time that I remember failing to shake hands with the fellow swimmers in my heat and showed poor sportsmanship, the very first thing my coaches told me was that I was a terrible sport for not doing so.
 
2014-01-24 04:36:07 PM  

blatz514: You can't spell THUG without HUG!


You can't spell SLAUGTHER without LAUGHTER!
 
2014-01-24 04:36:21 PM  

CalvinMorallis: Interesting read, but methinks the article cherry-picked it's quotes.  I'm sure that within 15 minutes or so, I could find a bunch "Leave Sherman Alone!" quotes and a lot of "Bieber's the devil!" ones, and write the complete opposite article.


It very definitely cherry-picked the hell out of them.

Negative comments: all from talk radio hosts, gossip rags, internet mud-slinging sites
Moderate quotes pointing out that a person's full legacy is more than a single instance of bad behavior: Actual newspapers, credible outlets for analysis, even farkin' Forbes for some reason.

It's not a question of Beiber v Sherman, it's a question of talk radio and the daily caller versus actual news organizations.  The professionals don't take it upon themselves to condemn people.

// Although I do find the fact that Rush Limbaugh is a Beleiber absurdly farkin' hilarious.  Always assumed he was a classic rock kind of guy, for all his other faults.
 
2014-01-24 04:36:24 PM  
I think we're all forgetting that this black man unleashed his thuggishness in the vicinity of a PRETTY WHITE WOMAN. Yes, he exercised his free speech, but doing so made an attractive white woman BRIEFLY CONFUSED AND UNCOMFORTABLE.

This was that woman before Sherman thugged his thuggery at her:

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And this was her afterwards (artist's characterization):

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Not so innocent now, is it?!
 
2014-01-24 04:36:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.

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THIS!

It is what started it all.  I was watching the game like most people.  And I thought that was farked up.  Then I saw Sherman yelling at the camera (the reaction of the poor interviewer was priceless).  I honestly thought it was some kind of joke.  No one acts like that in front of the camera!
As it turns out, he really WAS pissed off, and had every right to be.  Was it unprofessional?  Sure.  But try winning the game that won the conference championship, and got your team to the biggest game of the year, and not have YOUR adreneline pumping like crazy.  I don't think he was really thinking professionally at that moment.

If the media is portraying him any differently, they are sorely mistaken.  I think it was actually pretty funny, what he did...


Beiber?  Self-entilted, spoiled rich, little brat, with abosolutely no resprect or regard for his position and the people that got him there.  Such to a point that he quite literally spits on them.

If the media are portraying him as just some misguided kid or something, they are SERIOUSLY at fault for not making him responsible for how he's acting.  I suppose it's going to take his actually physically hurting someone to get through to them.


Actually, the story is that it all started at a charity event last year when the two of them allegedly almost came to blows, but there's considerable controversy over what actually happened at that event.
 
2014-01-24 04:36:44 PM  

FormlessOne: Fark this "Sherman & Crabtree" crap. The fact that Sherman was excited and didn't do anything wrong has been established, as has the fact that Crabtree is an unsportsmanlike asshole, the reporter handled his exuberance well, and other sports writers & fans demonstrated the kind of racism that's become institutionalized in football.

The only question I care about is this: When do we deport Bieber?


We can't? I mean, it's not like Canada will take him back, now that we've corrupted him with affluenza.
 
2014-01-24 04:38:09 PM  

Misconduc: Don't say "Thug" around black people, apparently its the new "N word" these days.


If that wasn't obvious during the Trayvon Martin mess, you simply were not paying attention.  Mentor to most Modern GOP strategists, Lee Atwater summed it up neatly before he died

You start in 1954 by saying '{N-word}, {N-word} , {N-word}  .' By 1968 you can't say '{N-word} .' That hurts you. It backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states rights and all that stuff and you get so abstract. Now you talk about cutting taxes and these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that's part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract and that coded, we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. Obviously sitting around saying we want to cut taxes and we want this, is a lot more abstract than even the busing thing and a hell of a lot more abstract than {N-word} .  {N-word} "

and then in 2014 when you realize that most of your remaining base is too stupid to really get abstraction, you shout "thug, thug, thug"  and know they'll get it
 
2014-01-24 04:38:53 PM  

Serious Black: My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what.


Now, how about if one of your opponents tried to fight you last year at a charity race, was a c*nt before the meet, said you weren't the best even though you were, then cut you off in your lane (if that were somehow possible without getting DQ'd) and you still beat him, then you went to shake his hand and he pushed you in the face?

F*ck pretending to like that b*tch.

Why should you have to respect someone who doesn't deserve respect?
 
2014-01-24 04:39:03 PM  
Anybody who doesn't think there was a racial component to how the Sherman story was reacted to or covered is either playing dumb or legitimately dumb.
 
2014-01-24 04:39:15 PM  

lennavan: durbnpoisn: scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.

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THIS!

It is what started it all.

You are literally the only person in the country who thinks this is where it all started.  Literally the only one.


Not even close, dude.
 
2014-01-24 04:40:17 PM  
I wonder who would win in a no holds barred fight to the death match between sherman and bieber.
 
2014-01-24 04:40:47 PM  

IAmRight: lennavan: You're not seriously arguing Sherman wasn't shoving it in Crabtree's face, are you?

a) I've seen him say "helluva play" to guys (including Crabtree) when they've beaten him for catches before
b) I can definitely see how Crabtree would take it that way
c) Crabtree deserves to have it shoved in his face every day, and we should continue to mock him after his sorry-ass comments after the game about how Sherman "only made one play." YOU MADE ZERO. YOU'VE MADE ZERO IN YOUR ENTIRE CAREER AGAINST HIM.


I can agree with all of this.  Especially C.  "YOUR ONLY PLAY WAS THE MOST CRUCIAL, GAME WINNING PLAY."  Wow, you got him there, you farkin knob.

Sherman definitely shoved it in Crabtree's face.  Crabtree had it comin for a long time.  I don't get all the deal with the Andrews interview.  Sure he was kinda douchey but I get the adrenaline'd up bit and Sherman handled it with a whole fark ton of class the next day.  Crabtree's a pussy.

But you're insane if you don't think that ass slap and "hell of a game" wasn't shoving it in his face.
 
2014-01-24 04:41:15 PM  

netweavr: parahaps: scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.

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I have no opinion on thuggery or lackthereof. But what he was doing there was saying, "that play I just made? It won the game." The game wasn't over yet when he did it, but he was rubbing it in Crabtree's face that it was pretty much a done thing.

The game was over. It wasn't rude.

Also, when did Crabtree suddenly become an innocent? This is the guy who raged out and refused to play because Hayward-Bey was a higher draft pick.


In your post, I guess, because I've never seen anyone else claim he was.
 
2014-01-24 04:41:41 PM  

Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?


I believe the word you are looking for is "goon".
 
2014-01-24 04:41:50 PM  
Well, to be fair:

   blacksportsonline.com   upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org  ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com

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2014-01-24 04:42:16 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: Gecko Gingrich: Yeah, but his degree is in *Communications*.

Thought it was pronounced "commroonications"  like "compruter" is pronounced.


Or "Bruick"

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2014-01-24 04:43:08 PM  

kronicfeld: denigrates


You mean denubianates.
 
2014-01-24 04:43:08 PM  
I don't feel like searching for it, but I'm pretty sure I've heard Justin Bieber referred to as a thug.
 
2014-01-24 04:43:13 PM  

a particular individual: Well, to be fair:

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Counter Argument: Eminem.
 
2014-01-24 04:43:20 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I wonder who would win in a no holds barred fight to the death match between sherman and bieber.


The pay per view could fund the national debt.
 
2014-01-24 04:44:08 PM  
How many hundreds of articles referred to Richie Incognito as a thug? Google search it. This is just more race baiting bullshiat. Can we please get over this any and all criticism of a black person must be rooted in racism nonsense?
 
2014-01-24 04:44:32 PM  

a particular individual: Well, to be fair:



Ooooh, cool! Now, post an NWA image!
 
2014-01-24 04:45:14 PM  

Serious Black: My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what. If they touched me out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If I touched them out, I was still supposed to tell them good race. If they went way slower than their seed time, I was still supposed to tell them good race. The one time that I remember failing to shake hands with the fellow swimmers in my heat and showed poor sportsmanship, the very first thing my coaches told me was that I was a terrible sport for not doing so.


Say you're doing the 4 person relay and you swim 3rd.  This would be like your leg starts out neck and neck and you smoke the kid so bad the anchor doesn't stand a chance of ever catching up, so right after you touch the wall, you say "good race" to the kid you just smoked.

I get sportsmanship.  Rugby has you all beat - the home team takes the visiting team out drinking at the team bar.  But again, you're insane if you think Sherman was doing that to be a nice guy.
 
2014-01-24 04:45:25 PM  
Sherman is already getting payed from Beats Audio from this whole thing
 
2014-01-24 04:45:41 PM  
What I don't understand is why people don't think Sherman was just talking tough for the next opponent in the Super Bowl. I think it was probably more about appearing thuggish towards the next set of receivers than it was about the last set of receivers.

Andrews: "Richard, let me ask you about the final play. Take me through it."
Sherman: "Well, I'm the best corner in the game. When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree, that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me."
Andrews: "Who was talking about you?"
Sherman: "Crabtree. Don't you open your mouth about the best. Or I'm ma shut it for you real quick. L.O.B (Legion of boom, the nickname of the Seahawks secondary)."
Andrews: "Alright, before ... Well, Joe, back over to you."

I didn't see it happen--I'd turned off the game after the Bowman debacle. But it reads like he was just posing for the next opponent.
 
2014-01-24 04:46:09 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I wonder who would win in a no holds barred fight to the death match between sherman and bieber.


Music?
 
2014-01-24 04:46:59 PM  

IAmRight: Serious Black: My swim coaches always made sure to impress on every swimmer on their team the need to congratulate the other swimmers in their heat for a good race no matter what.

Now, how about if one of your opponents tried to fight you last year at a charity race, was a c*nt before the meet, said you weren't the best even though you were, then cut you off in your lane (if that were somehow possible without getting DQ'd) and you still beat him, then you went to shake his hand and he pushed you in the face?

F*ck pretending to like that b*tch.

Why should you have to respect someone who doesn't deserve respect?


Everybody deserves redemption.
 
2014-01-24 04:47:14 PM  

IAmRight: lennavan: You're not seriously arguing Sherman wasn't shoving it in Crabtree's face, are you?

a) I've seen him say "helluva play" to guys (including Crabtree) when they've beaten him for catches before
b) I can definitely see how Crabtree would take it that way
c) Crabtree deserves to have it shoved in his face every day, and we should continue to mock him after his sorry-ass comments after the game about how Sherman "only made one play." YOU MADE ZERO. YOU'VE MADE ZERO IN YOUR ENTIRE CAREER AGAINST HIM.


So according to "a)", Sherman has congratulated Crabtree on plays where Crabtree has beaten him for a catch and according to "c)", that has never happened in his career.

/Clarity?
 
2014-01-24 04:47:41 PM  

keypusher: In your post, I guess, because I've never seen anyone else claim he was.


Most of the media doesn't mock him enough for being a b*tch with his sorry claims after the game and then on Twitter.

The best know when they failed and use it to get better. Sorry players like Crabtree fail and then say "yeah, but it's okay."

lennavan: But you're insane if you don't think that ass slap and "hell of a game" wasn't shoving it in his face.


I think it could've been, in part, genuine. But I also know he's smart enough to know how Crabtree would take it, and knowing that, it's certainly not all genuine. Again, he regularly does similar stuff to guys who make a play on him (though obviously when the receivers actually make the play, they're not running away from him like Crabtree was).
 
2014-01-24 04:47:41 PM  

Serious Black: Did anybody in the media call the Vancouver and Calgary hockey players thugs for instigating five separate fights within the first two seconds of their game this past Saturday and triggering 142 penalty minutes?


That's a stupid thing to ask. Every single one of those hockey players were white. You're stupid.
 
2014-01-24 04:48:04 PM  

IAmRight: Odd Bird: If I recall that scene correctly, Sherman doesn't appear to be saying "hell of a game".

See, that's the funny thing about racism.

Sherman was mic'd up. The audio played. He literally said "Hell of a game. Hell of a game." And that's all.


I don't know where you get the racism angle, but you are correct about what Sherman said.  My mistake.
 
2014-01-24 04:49:26 PM  

simkatu: Clarity?


Well, Crabtree made a 20-yard catch once and he congratulated him on it because it's not easy to even get those.

Crabtree, however, has never had a play of near the significance of that tip on the Seahawks. He has, in fact, never scored in nine games against Seattle in his career. He has never posted a 100-yard game against them.
 
2014-01-24 04:50:17 PM  

AeAe: blatz514: You can't spell THUG without HUG!

You can't spell SLAUGTHER without LAUGHTER!


And some people just can't spell "slaughter."
 
2014-01-24 04:50:41 PM  

a particular individual: Well, to be fair:

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upload.wikimedia.org

Heh, I actually smoked out with Krayzie, Layzie, and Bizzy about 6 years ago in college. They played a concert at SMU (yea, one of the whitest campuses in the USA) and the guy who set it up was one of our friends and we talked him into getting us in their hotel rooms to meet them.

They're very smart and articulate. Their manager was off his rocker, but it was cool listening to them debate shiat like politics and social issues. They also liked how a couple white boys brought some herb that actually impressed them (memory's fuzzy, but I think it was Orange Kush).
 
2014-01-24 04:50:49 PM  

MoeSzyslak: How many hundreds of articles referred to Richie Incognito as a thug? Google search it. This is just more race baiting bullshiat. Can we please get over this any and all criticism of a black person must be rooted in racism nonsense?


Are you honestly telling me that if a white guy gets animated on TV, talks a little trash, but makes no threats, makes no offensive or personal comments, offers nothing in the way of inappropriate behavior or escalation, that he would be called a thug?  This is crap.  In many contexts, thug is definitely not a race neutral word, and when applied to Sherman's action, it was definitely racially motivated.

I love what Sherman did.  He brought some sincere emotion to the interview that reflected what was goin on in the game.  Nothing he said was even remotely out of bounds in terms of trash talk.  If it was a marketing\branding move, it was brilliant.
 
2014-01-24 04:51:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Based on the mic'd up video I saw yesterday, Crabtree showed the poor sportsmanship first. Sherman went up to him after the play to shake his hand and say "Hell of a game" and Crabtree shoved him away like a crying biatch.

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motherf*cking THIS!
 
2014-01-24 04:52:30 PM  

bulldg4life: On a side note, I really really want to know how involved Sherman was in the filming and release of the headphone commercial where the reporter says something about thugs. Talk about incredibly awesome timing.

I really don't know how much he could've planned it, but he has an extremely vocal/public interview where he probably knew he would get attacked for it. I'm not sure if you could predict how much "thug" would get thrown around this week.

But, goddamn they lucked out with the release of that commercial.


The "thug" line could have been dubbed without altering anything else in the ad.
 
2014-01-24 04:52:37 PM  
Ooh, tough one, subby! I'm going to go with "both" and "both".
 
2014-01-24 04:52:45 PM  

CalvinMorallis: Interesting read, but methinks the article cherry-picked it's quotes.  I'm sure that within 15 minutes or so, I could find a bunch "Leave Sherman Alone!" quotes and a lot of "Bieber's the devil!" ones, and write the complete opposite article.


Pretty much this. You can easily spin it anyway you want by cherrypicking facts then projecting presumed motives.

For example Bieber is an immigrant, Sherman is an American. We can say that the media is giving immigrants special treatment, and calling Americans thugs.

It's 100% as factually true as the cherries in the article. Also every bit as meaningless, whiny, and irrelevant.
 
2014-01-24 04:53:39 PM  
He's an athlete, that gpa is handed out.
 
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