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(KOB4)   You may want to sit down for this. Ready? It seems Redflex may have been bribing public officials to install traffic cameras   (kob.com) divider line 26
    More: Obvious, Redflex, officials, traffic cameras, bribes, Rio Rancho, Las Cruces  
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5799 clicks; posted to Main » on 24 Jan 2014 at 3:05 PM (38 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-01-24 03:34:53 PM  
5 votes:

Wally007: The real issue no one is talking about is WHY do our public official need bribing to help keep us safe?  THAT should be the concern here.



Because Red Light Cameras are not used to keep the public safe.  They are used to line the pockets of politicians, cities, and red light camera companies.

If people were really interested in saving lives all it takes is increasing the length of the yellow light by half a second.  The fact is that often when a red light camera is placed, the length of the yellow light is decreased allowing for increased revenue for the city and company running the camera.
Sometimes, after installation, if a camera is 'under performing' the length of the yellow light will be decreased.  This increases the people caught running red lights and also increases the danger at the intersection.

So public officials are not being bribed to keep people safe, they are being bribed to make Red Light Camera companies money.
2014-01-24 01:06:19 PM  
4 votes:
Their whole system is one big bribe top to bottom.
2014-01-24 03:18:43 PM  
3 votes:

You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.


FTFE

The "E" is for "Everyone."
2014-01-24 03:18:37 PM  
3 votes:
Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.
2014-01-24 04:01:46 PM  
2 votes:
I think that the worst thing about the whole redlight camera thing is that, even when it's proven, beyond doubt, that the TWP was not allowed to even write tickets, let alone collect on them, the people still lose.

Here in NJ, there was a case where thousands of people paid $millions in fines, and then it came out in court that not a single one of those tickets was legal (something about permits).  They had to settle a class action suit to get any reimbursment.  We're talking like $5 each, or something.

It just seems so obvious that every single one of those people should have been reimbursed 100%, plus court costs, plus something extra for the hassle.

But, no.  Things just don't work that way.  The TWP kept their money, and the lawyers made millions.  The people got screwed.

Going forward, this case should be cited as a defense for every single case where someone receives one of these illegal tickets.
2014-01-24 03:35:20 PM  
2 votes:
See... here's the thing. Elected officials who engage in corruption need to go to jail. Like the bad kind. You know... the ones they send us to if we get caught with a bit of weed or, I guess more relevant to the subject matter at hand, not paying for heavy handed traffic fines in a timely fashion. The ones where people get beaten and man raped and killed and have their entire lives destroyed even after they serve their time and get out.

In fact I've always been of the mind that violent offenders should serve their time with other violent offenders and the rest of the "criminals", if they MUST be locked away from the rest of us at great monetary expense, be kept in completely separate buildings.

However when an elected official or a representative of the justice system abuses the positions they have been bestowed upon them by the citizenry it is perhaps not physically violent at first glance but indeed can spur violence for multiple reasons and in and of itself a form of violence against the concepts of a civilized and democratic society. Therefore they, even if they have not with their own body physically harmed another, should be tossed in with the violent psychopaths.

Yes. You want us to get buttraped for not being able to pay for your elaborate entrapment schemes after enabling wealthy sleazeballs to strip honest people of their livelihoods then most definitely when you steal OUR money or manipulate OUR system for your own personal gain then it seems only fair you get enjoy the romantic overtures of Bubba the 400 pound love master and/or the pugilistic and highly refined toothbrush sharpening skills of Miguel and his merry band of creative and dedicated entrepreneurs.

Or you could... yanno... stop f*ckin' around and do your damned jobs honestly and efficiently.
2014-01-24 03:16:05 PM  
2 votes:
If corporations were people would this qualify as a capital offense?
2014-01-24 03:12:26 PM  
2 votes:

Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.


Whoa there - like we'd get left out of a huge trough like this!
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 03:02:13 PM  
2 votes:
The unspecified municipality in Massachusetts could be Swampscott. Redflex got selectmen to repeatedly vote in favor of red light cameras despite solid public opposition (referendum) and a report commissioned by the selectmen that found there weren't any intersections where cameras could help. State law prohibits red light cameras so the selectmen didn't get their way.

Swampscott isn't the only place where local authorities wanted cameras, but it is the only place where they did so despite such strong opposition.
2014-01-24 02:34:07 PM  
2 votes:
Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.
2014-01-24 04:37:41 PM  
1 votes:
It's crap like this that shows why the "Stop breaking the law, asshole!" argument just doesn't hold much water. If the officials are willing to break the law to get their fines, what assurance do you have that they'll make sure you actually broke the law when they fine you? "Don't break the law and you won't get fined" doesn't work when it doesn't matter how law abiding you are.
2014-01-24 04:26:50 PM  
1 votes:
Obviously there were bribes, that's the only way the argument that these cameras make intersections safer makes sense.

Redflex: "so we put a camera up and the camera takes pictures of people that run the lights"
Public official: "But that doesn't stop people from running the lights"
Redflex: "We'll put up signs, people will see them, and hear stories of people that get $500+ dollar tickets and will be more cautious when they go through these 'dangerous' intersections. Then the city won't have to pay to engineer them to actually be safe"
Public official: "okay, so it should be diminishing returns for you guys right, people will be aware of the camera and NEVER run the light?"
Redflex: "Well that's why you'll make the yellow light 30% shorter at these intersections"
Public official: "Why would we do that, and what's in the briefcase?"
2014-01-24 04:21:28 PM  
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


I don't run red lights at all. In fact I have zero accidents and zero tickets. I abhor these kinds of devices since the one closest to me has been verified to have a quicker changeover from yellow to red.

You are a fool to think it's not about a clear cash grab.
2014-01-24 04:10:52 PM  
1 votes:
Our town is wrapping up the process of kicking these folks to the curb.  The cameras were (as far as we know, anyway) deactivated at the first of the year and we're just waiting for Redflex to come pick up their junk.  I think there's only one town left in the entire county that still operates them.
2014-01-24 03:58:59 PM  
1 votes:
These apocalyptic diseased coonts are still sending my wife threatening letter from a supposed running of a red light from three years ago, even though their fine isn't legally binding. She clearly, in the photo, went through the intersection while the light was yellow. We had collection agencies calling us until we called the state attorney general and asked what the steps needed were to sue the mayor for extortion.
2014-01-24 03:54:11 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: You make a good point, but we all know that politicians and their corporate sponsors rarely see any jail time or anything that remotely resembles punishment.


Yup. And these people are so entrenched at this point that anyone who even hints at hinting of HINTING at the suggestion that they should will suffer some very serious damage to their health if they even get the opportunity to get near any real power in the first place.

But hey... there are more important things to get upset about. Like screaming at each other over some idiot who like to shoot ducks or some dumb kid pretending to masturbate with a foam finger.
2014-01-24 03:33:57 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.


And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.
2014-01-24 03:31:52 PM  
1 votes:
In NYC they have bus lane cameras now. If your in a bus lane during morning or evening rush hour, ticket in the mail.
2014-01-24 03:29:07 PM  
1 votes:
But we can still trust the folks that sell those kiosk-based parking meters, right?  I mean, just because our town only has one open-air lot they share with a church, and about a half mile of street parking spots, doesn't necessarily MEAN that they don't need a million-dollar parking kiosk system.  Right?  Right?

/i'll eat my hat if there's not a politician with some nicely lined pockets as a result of that deal...
2014-01-24 03:27:47 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.


There was also a city (I forget which) that was taking them down because they weren't generating enough revenue, when they said they needed to install them for 'safety' originally. They're not really even trying to hide it.
2014-01-24 03:26:21 PM  
1 votes:
I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas
2014-01-24 03:17:36 PM  
1 votes:

You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.



need to be removed by redflex without any reimbursement
2014-01-24 03:14:13 PM  
1 votes:
If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.
2014-01-24 03:08:26 PM  
1 votes:

Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.


Better hidden.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 02:11:03 PM  
1 votes:
We already knew that for a year or two. The only question is exactly who got bribed, who did the bribing, who knew about the bribing, and how much money was involved. OK, that's four questions. I bet I'm going to get a ticket in the mail for exceeding Fark's inquisitiveness limit.
2014-01-24 12:42:26 PM  
1 votes:
Well, blow me down.
Just sit below me and blow,
 
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