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(KOB4)   You may want to sit down for this. Ready? It seems Redflex may have been bribing public officials to install traffic cameras   (kob.com) divider line 103
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 03:45:50 PM  
Nana's Vibrator: And you can tell how they're only a modestly successful business, since they didn't have enough money to bribe anyone around here. It costs a fortune.

Your profile says Boston. Boston city officials have been asking the state for cameras since 2000. Cambridge wants them too. Anybody who needed to be bribed in both cities is already bought.

The problem is the state legislature. Cameras and seat belts are the two driving issues that turn nanny state liberal voters into libertarians. We must lower speed limits and post more stop signs and require this and that and WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'm going to get a ticket if I break the law this is an outrage I'm going to call my state rep and complain. And they do call their state reps and complain. They say "big brother." And state reps hear them. They give up on one revenue stream and tack a percent onto the sales tax instead.  The revenue was going to go to cities anyway. No big loss for state politicians.
 
2014-01-24 03:47:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: This just in. Rednecks may have been murdering public officials to get traffic cameras removed...




http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/08/20/20100 82 0man-sentenced-for-killing-speed-camera-operator.html?nclick_check=1


That my friends is a hero. I don't care if the guy he whacked had family blah blah. If that's your line of work you are a scumbag.
 
2014-01-24 03:47:30 PM  

Jayberrysparklesalot: I remember that when the red light cameras were first being put up years ago, some comedian (I don't recall who it was) back then was telling a somewhat funny joke:

I just got a ticket in the mail with a picture of my car from one of those new red light cameras. So, I took a picture of the money they say I owe for it and sent it to them. They weren't too happy with me after I did that.


And did they happen to send you mail back that contained a picture of a pair of handcuffs?
 
2014-01-24 03:48:08 PM  

Darkviking: I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas



I got a ticket for the exact same thing about two years ago in Los Angeles about two weeks before they voted to get rid of the red light cameras.  I went to court, they said tough tities, pay up.
 
2014-01-24 03:48:09 PM  
Welcome to the new Amerika. Where private companies' jack-booted thugs enforce the "laws" that "protect" the citizenry and the politicians are bought and sold as commodity. Orwell was off by a few years, but damn if he wasn't prescient and overall right on the money otherwise.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 03:48:44 PM  
Jayberrysparklesalot

Snopes discusses the "picture of money" story; it's at least arguably true.
 
2014-01-24 03:50:33 PM  

Darkviking: I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas


Causing gridlock is an asshole move, whether you meant to or not, but I'm not sure that issuing a red-light ticket for doing so would stand up in court.
 
2014-01-24 03:52:20 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


Yeah, nice try, but you gave it away when you said that red light cameras were installed for "safety". Otherwise, you might have reeled some people in.
 
2014-01-24 03:52:57 PM  

You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.


Ha! That's rich!
 
2014-01-24 03:53:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Trying to hard.


Yeah, I am too, but this thread is too damn depressing.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-24 03:54:11 PM  

pxlboy: You make a good point, but we all know that politicians and their corporate sponsors rarely see any jail time or anything that remotely resembles punishment.


Yup. And these people are so entrenched at this point that anyone who even hints at hinting of HINTING at the suggestion that they should will suffer some very serious damage to their health if they even get the opportunity to get near any real power in the first place.

But hey... there are more important things to get upset about. Like screaming at each other over some idiot who like to shoot ducks or some dumb kid pretending to masturbate with a foam finger.
 
2014-01-24 03:54:20 PM  

Itchy92: Welcome to the new Amerika. Where private companies' jack-booted thugs enforce the "laws" that "protect" the citizenry and the politicians are bought and sold as commodity. Orwell was off by a few years, but damn if he wasn't prescient and overall right on the money otherwise.


Bravo.
 
2014-01-24 03:56:16 PM  
I read about this a while back in No shiat magazine.
 
2014-01-24 03:56:29 PM  
I am shocked,shocked that there is gambling in this establishment
 
2014-01-24 03:57:40 PM  

dj_spanmaster: scottydoesntknow: Trying to hard.

Yeah, I am too, but this thread is too damn depressing.

[img.fark.net image 180x247]


dailypicksandflicks.com
 
2014-01-24 03:58:59 PM  
These apocalyptic diseased coonts are still sending my wife threatening letter from a supposed running of a red light from three years ago, even though their fine isn't legally binding. She clearly, in the photo, went through the intersection while the light was yellow. We had collection agencies calling us until we called the state attorney general and asked what the steps needed were to sue the mayor for extortion.
 
2014-01-24 04:01:46 PM  
I think that the worst thing about the whole redlight camera thing is that, even when it's proven, beyond doubt, that the TWP was not allowed to even write tickets, let alone collect on them, the people still lose.

Here in NJ, there was a case where thousands of people paid $millions in fines, and then it came out in court that not a single one of those tickets was legal (something about permits).  They had to settle a class action suit to get any reimbursment.  We're talking like $5 each, or something.

It just seems so obvious that every single one of those people should have been reimbursed 100%, plus court costs, plus something extra for the hassle.

But, no.  Things just don't work that way.  The TWP kept their money, and the lawyers made millions.  The people got screwed.

Going forward, this case should be cited as a defense for every single case where someone receives one of these illegal tickets.
 
2014-01-24 04:04:41 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.
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Meanwhile in Florida they are shortening the time the yellow light stays on in order to generate more revenue catch more Whining Hippie Libtards (I guesss)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/15/the-sneaky-change-to-yell ow -lights-in-florida-that-now-means-more-tickets/
 
2014-01-24 04:04:57 PM  

here to help: See... here's the thing. Elected officials who engage in corruption need to go to jail. Like the bad kind. You know... the ones they send us to if we get caught with a bit of weed or, I guess more relevant to the subject matter at hand, not paying for heavy handed traffic fines in a timely fashion. The ones where people get beaten and man raped and killed and have their entire lives destroyed even after they serve their time and get out.

In fact I've always been of the mind that violent offenders should serve their time with other violent offenders and the rest of the "criminals", if they MUST be locked away from the rest of us at great monetary expense, be kept in completely separate buildings.

However when an elected official or a representative of the justice system abuses the positions they have been bestowed upon them by the citizenry it is perhaps not physically violent at first glance but indeed can spur violence for multiple reasons and in and of itself a form of violence against the concepts of a civilized and democratic society. Therefore they, even if they have not with their own body physically harmed another, should be tossed in with the violent psychopaths.

Yes. You want us to get buttraped for not being able to pay for your elaborate entrapment schemes after enabling wealthy sleazeballs to strip honest people of their livelihoods then most definitely when you steal OUR money or manipulate OUR system for your own personal gain then it seems only fair you get enjoy the romantic overtures of Bubba the 400 pound love master and/or the pugilistic and highly refined toothbrush sharpening skills of Miguel and his merry band of creative and dedicated entrepreneurs.

Or you could... yanno... stop f*ckin' around and do your damned jobs honestly and efficiently.


Imagine how much money you could make if you started a For-Profit Prison that dealt only with corruption and you got everyone currently in government that was corrupt.
 
2014-01-24 04:05:52 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


1, B, 3...potatoe
 
2014-01-24 04:08:31 PM  

Darkviking: I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas


Hopefully your city will do like Houston did and vote them out. It really was fun voting to remove the cameras and watching the politicians squirm as they had to deal with the consequences of their surefire revenue generator blowing up in their face. I do hope it cost more money to remove the cameras than they generated for the city.
 
2014-01-24 04:09:10 PM  
Crooked as it may be, you still are required to pay the ticket.
 
2014-01-24 04:10:52 PM  
Our town is wrapping up the process of kicking these folks to the curb.  The cameras were (as far as we know, anyway) deactivated at the first of the year and we're just waiting for Redflex to come pick up their junk.  I think there's only one town left in the entire county that still operates them.
 
2014-01-24 04:12:26 PM  

Triumph: Maryland


Fun fact: if MD mails you a speed-cam ticket, you don't need to pay it until you renew your car's registration, and they can't charge you a late fee. If your car isn't registered in MD, send a polite letter back requesting that the reader and the company they represent ease an elephant tusk into their rectum.

// source
 
2014-01-24 04:15:58 PM  

fsufan: Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.
--------------------------


Meanwhile in Florida they are shortening the time the yellow light stays on in order to generate more revenue catch more Whining Hippie Libtards (I guesss)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/15/the-sneaky-change-to-yell ow -lights-in-florida-that-now-means-more-tickets/


The only "sneaky" part of that is that it's catching chuckleheads who think "green, yellow, red" translates to "go, go really fast, stop", respectively, at intersections. From the Washington driver's guide:

A steady yellow traffic light means the traffic light is about to change to red. You must stop if it is safe to do so. If you are in the intersection when the yellow light comes on, do not stop but continue through the intersection.

That's the problem in a nutshell. Many drivers have been conditioned to believe that the yellow light means "hit the gas and get into the intersection before the red light comes on", when it means "slow down or stop before you get ticketed for being a moron." Cops here in Washington have been trying to crack down on such morons.
 
2014-01-24 04:18:27 PM  
Solution
i1.ytimg.com
farm8.staticflickr.com

Though I am sure some jack-booted cops would have a problem with that
 
2014-01-24 04:21:28 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


I don't run red lights at all. In fact I have zero accidents and zero tickets. I abhor these kinds of devices since the one closest to me has been verified to have a quicker changeover from yellow to red.

You are a fool to think it's not about a clear cash grab.
 
2014-01-24 04:22:21 PM  
I'm glad Nevada doesn't allow them. I think we actually have an amendment to our state constitution that prohibits them.
 
2014-01-24 04:25:59 PM  

foxyshadis: Darkviking: I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas


Following too close, tailgating, reckless endangerment, blocking an intersection

You got off light
 
2014-01-24 04:26:47 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I'm glad Nevada doesn't allow them. I think we actually have an amendment to our state constitution that prohibits them.


nice.  i was asking myself that.


/new to LV
//everyone likes to use the word "boss" here
 
2014-01-24 04:26:50 PM  
Obviously there were bribes, that's the only way the argument that these cameras make intersections safer makes sense.

Redflex: "so we put a camera up and the camera takes pictures of people that run the lights"
Public official: "But that doesn't stop people from running the lights"
Redflex: "We'll put up signs, people will see them, and hear stories of people that get $500+ dollar tickets and will be more cautious when they go through these 'dangerous' intersections. Then the city won't have to pay to engineer them to actually be safe"
Public official: "okay, so it should be diminishing returns for you guys right, people will be aware of the camera and NEVER run the light?"
Redflex: "Well that's why you'll make the yellow light 30% shorter at these intersections"
Public official: "Why would we do that, and what's in the briefcase?"
 
2014-01-24 04:27:09 PM  

netringer: Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.

And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.


This. We saw more 'no right turn on red' signs suddenly pop up as well. This after years of people turning right on red.
124 bucks.
 
2014-01-24 04:35:36 PM  
Clearly that company doesn't operate in Ohio.  There's a bill going through Ohio senate to make cameras illegal and a Cleveland judge just ruled them unconstitutional, but Cleveland city just threw up 6 more cameras.  One final cash grab in case they end up having to get rid of them soon.
 
2014-01-24 04:37:41 PM  
It's crap like this that shows why the "Stop breaking the law, asshole!" argument just doesn't hold much water. If the officials are willing to break the law to get their fines, what assurance do you have that they'll make sure you actually broke the law when they fine you? "Don't break the law and you won't get fined" doesn't work when it doesn't matter how law abiding you are.
 
2014-01-24 05:00:32 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: It's crap like this that shows why the "Stop breaking the law, asshole!" argument just doesn't hold much water. If the officials are willing to break the law to get their fines, what assurance do you have that they'll make sure you actually broke the law when they fine you? "Don't break the law and you won't get fined" doesn't work when it doesn't matter how law abiding you are.


If they don't give a shiat about the law, I don't see why we should have to listen to the spurious offenses they invent.
 
2014-01-24 05:01:09 PM  

Mikey1969: netringer: Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.

And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.

YEP... They also had people posing as FedEx guys to deliver your ticket by hand so that you would have to pay it. Sleazy bullshiat from beginning to end.


Not that I have the slightest difficulty believing they  would do that, but do you have a citation?  FedEx tends to take a dim view of that sort of shenanigans, and has enough of a legal department to make their displeasure known if such a situation were brought to their attention properly...
 
2014-01-24 05:10:04 PM  
There is an elegant solution to this and many other similar conflicts of interests that was unfortunately missed by our founding fathers.

We need the following constitutional amendment:

"Government entities are prohibited from having any portion of their operating expenses funded by non-tax monies.  All non-tax revenue (fees, fines, tolls, tariffs, seizures, judgements, etc) is to be distributed annually to all tax files from the jurisdictions which collected the monies."

Raise income, sales, and property taxes in a revenue neutral way to match the difference.  The people who "break the law" or "use services" still pay, the "rule followers" get rewarded.  And politicians have no incentive to use the government's police powers as a means of padding their budgets/personal empires.

Of course it will never happen since WAY too many people are personally enriched by our current fundamentally corrupt system.
 
2014-01-24 05:19:09 PM  
Lockheed Martin started this trend in Denver cir. 1995.

This 'news' only means Redflex is sloppy and doesn't know how to cover its tracks.
 
2014-01-24 05:24:42 PM  

ZAZ: The problem is the state legislature. Cameras and seat belts are the two driving issues that turn nanny state liberal voters into libertarians. We must lower speed limits and post more stop signs and require this and that and WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'm going to get a ticket if I break the law this is an outrage I'm going to call my state rep and complain.


Are you pretending to be a moron? It's never about breaking the law or nanny staters turning libertarian. It's about city governments gaming public safety measures to make a buck for the people who grease their palms.
 
2014-01-24 05:27:54 PM  
Since when are open bribery and blatant corruption illegal in this country? I can go to Washington and buy as many congresscritters as I want, and I don't even have to hide it. Our government is for sale to the highest bidder, because that's how our government and those have the resources to be the highest bidder want it to be. It's cute that some of you think that the opinions of the little people still matter, though.
 
2014-01-24 05:29:07 PM  

TheEndIsNigh: Mikey1969: netringer: Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.

And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.

YEP... They also had people posing as FedEx guys to deliver your ticket by hand so that you would have to pay it. Sleazy bullshiat from beginning to end.

Not that I have the slightest difficulty believing they  would do that, but do you have a citation?  FedEx tends to take a dim view of that sort of shenanigans, and has enough of a legal department to make their displeasure known if such a situation were brought to their attention properly...


I'll have to look it up. got a lot to do, so it might be later. I think Arizona Republic covered it, and I know Phoenix New Times did for sure, so I'll look those up when I get home.
 
2014-01-24 05:30:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-24 05:33:45 PM  
A conviction for offering or accepting a bribe should result in capitol punishment.

/sick of corruption
 
2014-01-24 06:30:29 PM  

Triumph: Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland


The digging hasn't been finished in these states.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 06:45:36 PM  
WUUUUUUUUUUUUUH?
p.twimg.com
 
2014-01-24 06:48:29 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: There is an elegant solution to this and many other similar conflicts of interests that was unfortunately missed by our founding fathers.

We need the following constitutional amendment:

"Government entities are prohibited from having any portion of their operating expenses funded by non-tax monies.  All non-tax revenue (fees, fines, tolls, tariffs, seizures, judgements, etc) is to be distributed annually to all tax files from the jurisdictions which collected the monies."

Raise income, sales, and property taxes in a revenue neutral way to match the difference.  The people who "break the law" or "use services" still pay, the "rule followers" get rewarded.  And politicians have no incentive to use the government's police powers as a means of padding their budgets/personal empires.

Of course it will never happen since WAY too many people are personally enriched by our current fundamentally corrupt system.


I'm fine with legit user fees (i.e. tolls) and would actually prefer that government services be funded that way where practical.

But I have long held that any fines or seized property should be surrendered to the U.S. Treasury, so that the only incentive for levying fines is actual safety.

And of you think red light cameras are shady, read up on the outright legal theft that many police departments are involved in via property seizure. You don't even have to be charged with a crime for the police to take all your stuff.
 
2014-01-24 06:55:17 PM  

bindlestiff2600: You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.


need to be removed by redflex without any reimbursement


Merely remove the protection of law from them. And announce this act during rush hour.
 
2014-01-24 07:01:18 PM  
Any community's leadership who elects to put these devices up should be immediately voted out. Reason: you can be sure one of two things about said pols. Either they are a) stupid, or b) crooked. In either case they shouldn't be anywhere near an elected office.
 
2014-01-24 11:04:14 PM  
no fecal matter, Sherlock
 
2014-01-24 11:26:19 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


i341.photobucket.com
 
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