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(KOB4)   You may want to sit down for this. Ready? It seems Redflex may have been bribing public officials to install traffic cameras   (kob.com) divider line 103
    More: Obvious, Redflex, officials, traffic cameras, bribes, Rio Rancho, Las Cruces  
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2014-01-24 12:42:26 PM  
Well, blow me down.
Just sit below me and blow,
 
2014-01-24 01:06:19 PM  
Their whole system is one big bribe top to bottom.
 
2014-01-24 01:14:02 PM  
If you need a lesson in what is wrong with today, here is a good one.
 
2014-01-24 01:49:47 PM  
GTFO!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 02:11:03 PM  
We already knew that for a year or two. The only question is exactly who got bribed, who did the bribing, who knew about the bribing, and how much money was involved. OK, that's four questions. I bet I'm going to get a ticket in the mail for exceeding Fark's inquisitiveness limit.
 
2014-01-24 02:34:07 PM  
Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 03:02:13 PM  
The unspecified municipality in Massachusetts could be Swampscott. Redflex got selectmen to repeatedly vote in favor of red light cameras despite solid public opposition (referendum) and a report commissioned by the selectmen that found there weren't any intersections where cameras could help. State law prohibits red light cameras so the selectmen didn't get their way.

Swampscott isn't the only place where local authorities wanted cameras, but it is the only place where they did so despite such strong opposition.
 
2014-01-24 03:02:36 PM  

ZAZ: We already knew that for a year or two. The only question is exactly who got bribed, who did the bribing, who knew about the bribing, and how much money was involved. OK, that's four questions. I bet I'm going to get a ticket in the mail for exceeding Fark's inquisitiveness limit.


Add #5: who was so stupid as not to know that was paid to stop this zhit?

/all the boss had to do was read Fark
 
2014-01-24 03:08:26 PM  

Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.


Better hidden.
 
2014-01-24 03:11:27 PM  
It's a long way from allegations in a civil complaint to criminal charges for bribery.  Political corruption cases are hard to prosecute, must prove quid pro quo.  Someone like this guy is in a tricky position, because if he says to the court to that he participated in a quid pro quo exchange, absent immunity he is open to prosecution.  Only following orders is not a defense for officer committing crimes in scope of employment.
 
2014-01-24 03:11:53 PM  
No DC, or does DC work with a different company?
 
2014-01-24 03:12:26 PM  

Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.


Whoa there - like we'd get left out of a huge trough like this!
 
2014-01-24 03:13:43 PM  
Former vice president Aaron Rosenberg claims he was made a scapegoat to cover up a long-standing practice of "providing government officials with lavish gifts and bribes."

These are the kind of situations flash drives were made for. If you're in any situation where you can be hung out to dry, make sure you have lots of data to back up your claims. Strictly for personal insurance purposes, mind you. Because stealing company information would be wrong.
 
2014-01-24 03:14:13 PM  
If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.
 
2014-01-24 03:16:05 PM  
If corporations were people would this qualify as a capital offense?
 
2014-01-24 03:17:36 PM  

You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.



need to be removed by redflex without any reimbursement
 
2014-01-24 03:18:37 PM  
Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.
 
2014-01-24 03:18:43 PM  

You Are All Sheep: If those cameras were put up as a result of bribes, then they need to be removed and have the democratic process take place.


FTFE

The "E" is for "Everyone."
 
2014-01-24 03:23:48 PM  
The real issue no one is talking about is WHY do our public official need bribing to help keep us safe?  THAT should be the concern here.
 
2014-01-24 03:25:24 PM  
Predictable poutrage born of small-government small-mindedness.  Municipalities need these revenue to provide services that we all use.
 
2014-01-24 03:26:15 PM  

Wally007: The real issue no one is talking about is WHY do our public official need bribing to help keep us safe?  THAT should be the concern here.


Har har we got us a wise guy here
 
2014-01-24 03:26:20 PM  
i.imgur.com

/Not really
 
2014-01-24 03:26:21 PM  
I was following a line of cars through an intersection when some jackoff at the head of the line decides he wants to make an illegal left, thus holding up everyone.  Of course I was at the tail end of the line when the light went red, and apparently was in the zone to get flashed.

Sure enough, I am holding a $75 ticket.

So I am getting a kick...

/Texas
 
2014-01-24 03:27:47 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.


There was also a city (I forget which) that was taking them down because they weren't generating enough revenue, when they said they needed to install them for 'safety' originally. They're not really even trying to hide it.
 
2014-01-24 03:29:02 PM  

Stoj: Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.

Whoa there - like we'd get left out of a huge trough like this!


I was thinking the same thing. Heck, Chicago even has its own section on the Redflex Holdings Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redflex_Holdings#Chicago_scandal
 
2014-01-24 03:29:07 PM  
But we can still trust the folks that sell those kiosk-based parking meters, right?  I mean, just because our town only has one open-air lot they share with a church, and about a half mile of street parking spots, doesn't necessarily MEAN that they don't need a million-dollar parking kiosk system.  Right?  Right?

/i'll eat my hat if there's not a politician with some nicely lined pockets as a result of that deal...
 
2014-01-24 03:31:52 PM  
In NYC they have bus lane cameras now. If your in a bus lane during morning or evening rush hour, ticket in the mail.
 
2014-01-24 03:32:26 PM  
So we can expect manslaughter charges for all the people who died at intersections where the timing was screwed with any minute now, right?
 
2014-01-24 03:33:04 PM  
And you can tell how they're only a modestly successful business, since they didn't have enough money to bribe anyone around here.  It costs a fortune.
 
2014-01-24 03:33:20 PM  
This just in. Rednecks may have been murdering public officials to get traffic cameras removed...

i.azcentral.com


http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/08/20/20100 82 0man-sentenced-for-killing-speed-camera-operator.html?nclick_check=1
 
2014-01-24 03:33:57 PM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.


And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.
 
2014-01-24 03:33:58 PM  

Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.


Politicians in those states owned the red light camera systems? No (added) bribe required.
 
2014-01-24 03:34:53 PM  

Wally007: The real issue no one is talking about is WHY do our public official need bribing to help keep us safe?  THAT should be the concern here.



Because Red Light Cameras are not used to keep the public safe.  They are used to line the pockets of politicians, cities, and red light camera companies.

If people were really interested in saving lives all it takes is increasing the length of the yellow light by half a second.  The fact is that often when a red light camera is placed, the length of the yellow light is decreased allowing for increased revenue for the city and company running the camera.
Sometimes, after installation, if a camera is 'under performing' the length of the yellow light will be decreased.  This increases the people caught running red lights and also increases the danger at the intersection.

So public officials are not being bribed to keep people safe, they are being bribed to make Red Light Camera companies money.
 
2014-01-24 03:35:20 PM  
See... here's the thing. Elected officials who engage in corruption need to go to jail. Like the bad kind. You know... the ones they send us to if we get caught with a bit of weed or, I guess more relevant to the subject matter at hand, not paying for heavy handed traffic fines in a timely fashion. The ones where people get beaten and man raped and killed and have their entire lives destroyed even after they serve their time and get out.

In fact I've always been of the mind that violent offenders should serve their time with other violent offenders and the rest of the "criminals", if they MUST be locked away from the rest of us at great monetary expense, be kept in completely separate buildings.

However when an elected official or a representative of the justice system abuses the positions they have been bestowed upon them by the citizenry it is perhaps not physically violent at first glance but indeed can spur violence for multiple reasons and in and of itself a form of violence against the concepts of a civilized and democratic society. Therefore they, even if they have not with their own body physically harmed another, should be tossed in with the violent psychopaths.

Yes. You want us to get buttraped for not being able to pay for your elaborate entrapment schemes after enabling wealthy sleazeballs to strip honest people of their livelihoods then most definitely when you steal OUR money or manipulate OUR system for your own personal gain then it seems only fair you get enjoy the romantic overtures of Bubba the 400 pound love master and/or the pugilistic and highly refined toothbrush sharpening skills of Miguel and his merry band of creative and dedicated entrepreneurs.

Or you could... yanno... stop f*ckin' around and do your damned jobs honestly and efficiently.
 
2014-01-24 03:35:43 PM  
Relevant to the story, one mayor in Missouri actually served time in jail for taking a Redflex bribe. Because it was a "sting" Redflex got the benefit of the bribe, then got they their money back.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/23/2363.asp
 
2014-01-24 03:36:55 PM  
KOB4 figures out what sales is all about... news at 11.
 
2014-01-24 03:37:00 PM  
This will all go away as soon as the next check clears.
 
2014-01-24 03:37:12 PM  

here to help: See... here's the thing. Elected officials who engage in corruption need to go to jail. Like the bad kind. You know... the ones they send us to if we get caught with a bit of weed or, I guess more relevant to the subject matter at hand, not paying for heavy handed traffic fines in a timely fashion. The ones where people get beaten and man raped and killed and have their entire lives destroyed even after they serve their time and get out.

In fact I've always been of the mind that violent offenders should serve their time with other violent offenders and the rest of the "criminals", if they MUST be locked away from the rest of us at great monetary expense, be kept in completely separate buildings.

However when an elected official or a representative of the justice system abuses the positions they have been bestowed upon them by the citizenry it is perhaps not physically violent at first glance but indeed can spur violence for multiple reasons and in and of itself a form of violence against the concepts of a civilized and democratic society. Therefore they, even if they have not with their own body physically harmed another, should be tossed in with the violent psychopaths.

Yes. You want us to get buttraped for not being able to pay for your elaborate entrapment schemes after enabling wealthy sleazeballs to strip honest people of their livelihoods then most definitely when you steal OUR money or manipulate OUR system for your own personal gain then it seems only fair you get enjoy the romantic overtures of Bubba the 400 pound love master and/or the pugilistic and highly refined toothbrush sharpening skills of Miguel and his merry band of creative and dedicated entrepreneurs.

Or you could... yanno... stop f*ckin' around and do your damned jobs honestly and efficiently.


You make a good point, but we all know that politicians and their corporate sponsors rarely see any jail time or anything that remotely resembles punishment.
 
2014-01-24 03:37:21 PM  
media.philly.com

Available for comment on this one, mr. mayor?
(anyone who's lived in Chicago knew about this one ages ago)
 
2014-01-24 03:37:44 PM  
I'm ...I don't even, it's as if this whole concept is a scam!
 
2014-01-24 03:38:29 PM  

netringer: Mikey1969: Yeah, this has been known for YEARS in Arizona. The real giveaway was that if 'X' number of tickets weren't generated, then the city/state had to pay a penalty. If this doesn't scream "sweetheart deal", I don't know what does.

I liked how when they "debunked" the Red Light Camera blocking license plate covers on Mythbusters, Redflex was the company doing the "testing". Nothing about that company is above board. I wouldn't trust them to show me where the sky was if we were all standing outside.

And then they'd shorten and randomize/shorten yellow light times to get more customers running lights.


YEP... They also had people posing as FedEx guys to deliver your ticket by hand so that you would have to pay it. Sleazy bullshiat from beginning to end.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-24 03:38:40 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123

The dead guy in Arizona was just a techinician who happened to be sitting in the wrong place. The responsible parties are bullet-free to date.
 
2014-01-24 03:38:48 PM  
I hate these cameras. It's one of those things where if I know theres a red light camera through an intersection, I won't go through it.
 
2014-01-24 03:39:06 PM  

ZAZ: We already knew that for a year or two. The only question is exactly who got bribed, who did the bribing, who knew about the bribing, and how much money was involved. OK, that's four questions. I bet I'm going to get a ticket in the mail for exceeding Fark's inquisitiveness limit.


All important questions if you're considering bribing the cameras away, which would seem the only recourse. I would imagine now though that the field has expanded.
 
2014-01-24 03:42:13 PM  
You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.
 
2014-01-24 03:43:48 PM  
I remember that when the red light cameras were first being put up years ago, some comedian (I don't recall who it was) back then was telling a somewhat funny joke:

I just got a ticket in the mail with a picture of my car from one of those new red light cameras. So, I took a picture of the money they say I owe for it and sent it to them. They weren't too happy with me after I did that.
 
2014-01-24 03:43:53 PM  
Oh, dammit.  Forgot to mention that traffic cameras could easily be connected to a national information grid to catch terrorists and child kidnappers.  Why do you libulardos love terrorists and kidnappers?
 
2014-01-24 03:44:57 PM  

Parthenogenetic: You whining hippies make me sick.

1) It is THE LAW to obey traffic signals. You are all such self-centered asses that you think it is more important that you save a few minutes by blowing off a red light than it is to drive safely.

B) You are always complaining that corporations should work for the good of the community. Redflex provides technology that enhances traffic safety, which benefits everybody in the community.

3) There aren't many opportunities for Job Creators and Public Servants to work together to achieve a common goal that helps the community. You libtardos should be praising this public/private venture, not vilifying it.

You are all just a bunch of red light-running, scofflaw, anti-business, perpetually disgruntled HYPOCRITES.


Trying to hard.

1/10
 
2014-01-24 03:45:30 PM  

Stoj: Triumph: Bribes in California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia.

The only thing that surprises me is that Louisiana, Illinois, Rhode Island and Maryland missed the cut.

Whoa there - like we'd get left out of a huge trough like this!


Well - there you go. I knew that list couldn't be comprehensive.
 
2014-01-24 03:45:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Trying too hard.

1/10


Whoops! I wasn't trying hard enough apparently.
 
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