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(11 Alive)   Georgia Lawmaker: Y'know what firefighters need? Not more trucks or training or funding. Guns. They need guns   (11alive.com) divider line 118
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2014-01-24 09:29:09 AM
Having fought some fires in an FFE in my day, let me tell you: more equipment, especially metal stuff that will get burning hot and would be difficult to operate with protective gloves is just what every firefighter needs.
 
2014-01-24 09:39:31 AM
Weekly rampages in public spheres where numbers of innocent people are killed: "We don't need to change our gun laws for a few isolated incidents.  Freedom is at stake here."

One occurance where firefighters were held hostage by a guy upset over his mortgage, in which the only person killed was the gunman: "MOAR GUNS"
 
2014-01-24 09:41:50 AM
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More guns.  Bigger guns.  Better guns.
 
2014-01-24 09:42:39 AM
According to the constitution, shouldn't they already be permitted to carry guns?
 
2014-01-24 09:51:47 AM
The only thing that can stop a bad fire with a gun is a good firefighter with a gun.
 
2014-01-24 09:52:56 AM
Shooting a fire to put it out was a scene in idiocracy right?
 
2014-01-24 09:54:16 AM
"I think that anybody that has to be in public should be allowed to defend themselves anywhere they go," said Jerry Henry of GeorgiaCarrry.org. "This is a dangerous world. Firefighters are no different.... We have never said that everybody should be armed, we say that everybody should have the right to decide whether they want to be armed, or not. If they don't feel comfortable, don't do it. But if you feel uncomfortable, if you think that there are things like [the Gwinnett County hostage-taking] going to happen -- that happened once in how many, a hundred years or so?  But guess what?  Maybe it's going to happen again. And you don't want to be the guy that walks in there unarmed and at that guy's mercy."

Oh for the love of... Let's take this one step at a time.
Anybody that has to be in the public IS allowed to defend themselves. Guns are not the only means of defending oneself.
This is a dangerous world, but the presence of more weapons in the hands of more people is a catalyst for danger rather than a deterrent.
Everybody does have the right to decide whether they want to be armed or not, and that includes being aware of the responsibilities of being in certain professions and passing on those jobs (and, hell, aren't most firefighters in Georgia volunteer anyway?). What's next, McDonald's employees should be allowed to arm themselves?
This was an event where the only casualty was the perpetrator, because you have a SWAT team that can apparently do their jobs. What you're suggesting with this is that if it happens again, you don't trust your specially trained SWAT units to be able to protect the people in your state in spite of a perfect example of them doing just that. How insulting to law enforcement.
The "it might happen again" line really just shows that you want your laws and policies to be fear-based, rather than rationally-based.

By your own admission, this happened once maybe in a hundred years or so. You know what happens every day, sometimes multiple times per day, in the state of Georgia? People starve. People can't get medical treatment and are hospitalized or die because of something preventable that they just couldn't afford. People can't pay their bills because they don't have access to jobs that pay a living wage. People are prevented from having educational and/or occupational opportunities to advance and maybe crawl out of poverty. Maybe focus on supporting policies that help prevent the large-scale, commonly occurring problems that put people at serious risk of injury or death as opposed to one-time events that you yourself admit are so rare you can't even think of another episode like this. Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.
 
2014-01-24 10:01:02 AM

Kome: Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.


I'll put our batshiat crazy politicians up against anyone's.
 
2014-01-24 10:05:38 AM

Headso: Shooting a fire to put it out was a scene in idiocracy right?


I thought it was a Dylan song... He lit a fire on Main St. and shot it full of holes.
 
2014-01-24 10:09:10 AM

oldernell: Kome: Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.

I'll put our batshiat crazy politicians up against anyone's.


Luckily most of them broke their budgets early and are limited in the amount of damage they can do.
 
2014-01-24 10:12:41 AM

nekom: Headso: Shooting a fire to put it out was a scene in idiocracy right?

I thought it was a Dylan song... He lit a fire on Main St. and shot it full of holes.


It was Huey Lewis and the News "We didn't shoot the fire"
 
2014-01-24 10:15:47 AM
Admittedly I'm not an expert on guns, but... taking live ammunition into a place FILLED WITH FIRE could potentially cause that live ammunition to go off in the magazine, couldn't it?
 
2014-01-24 10:18:50 AM
Ok, as a lapsed EMT let me explain something to your tiny little head...

TO some people, first responders are already targets, for some reason some people disagree with your trying to save the life of the guy they just shot..

But for the most part, people are GLAD to see them, it mean help is here, my grandma is being taken care of, ect.

You arm them, if makes it an "us vs them" situation, and more first responders with get shot at.
 
2014-01-24 10:21:29 AM

Bloody William: Admittedly I'm not an expert on guns, but... taking live ammunition into a place FILLED WITH FIRE could potentially cause that live ammunition to go off in the magazine, couldn't it?


An old trick used for insurance fraud in arson cases is to leave a case of rounds sitting in a spot the fire will reach.  Supposedly the moment firefighters hear rounds going off they will back off and let the building burn.
 
2014-01-24 10:24:58 AM

Bloody William: Admittedly I'm not an expert on guns, but... taking live ammunition into a place FILLED WITH FIRE could potentially cause that live ammunition to go off in the magazine, couldn't it?


Of course not. That could never happen. If it was possible, there'd be a term for it, like cooking off.
 
2014-01-24 10:39:40 AM
baka-san:
But for the most part, people are GLAD to see them, it mean help is here, my grandma is being taken care of, ect.

You arm them, if makes it an "us vs them" situation, and more first responders with get shot at.


VERY true.  I'm a card carrying member of the "Fark the police" crew.  I don't ever want to interact with a cop for any reason whatsoever.  But I don't think I've ever had the thought "Oh no!  Here comes the fire truck!"  or "DAMNIT, the ambulance is here, why won't they just leave us alone!"
 
2014-01-24 10:55:44 AM
Isn't the Red State answer to any question "Moar Guns"?
 
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2014-01-24 10:59:33 AM
This culture war stuff is really getting beyond ridiculous.
 
2014-01-24 11:06:09 AM
They also need Duck Commander gear and Chick-fil-a sandwiches.
 
2014-01-24 11:07:07 AM
Y'know what cops need? Not more guns or training or funding. Firehoses. They need firehoses
 
2014-01-24 11:09:37 AM
Guns...is there anything they can't do?
 
2014-01-24 11:10:32 AM

doglover: Bloody William: Admittedly I'm not an expert on guns, but... taking live ammunition into a place FILLED WITH FIRE could potentially cause that live ammunition to go off in the magazine, couldn't it?

Of course not. That could never happen. If it was possible, there'd be a term for it, like cooking off.


My neighbor worked for Remington when they were under DuPont.  I think he was a packaging and safety specialist.  He had this really terrific video of an old, wooden frame house packed with boxes and boxes of ammunition of all types and then they lit that f*cker off.  The fire obviously consumed the house but the forensic investigation showed that none of the cooked-off cartridges even penetrated the cartons they were stored in.  The brass casings would rupture leaving very little in the way of momentum to the pellets/rounds that were in the various loads.

Now, did it sound like a pitched battle being waged in that house?  Hell to the yes.

Now, you put those rounds in a chamber, however, and it is a different story but the firefighter would likely cook off before his piece could actually get hot enough to combust the gunpowder.
 
2014-01-24 11:19:29 AM
*clicks link* Yeah, I suspected it was a Republiturd.
 
2014-01-24 11:19:31 AM
Sure, fark it. Explosives too.
 
2014-01-24 11:19:58 AM

factoryconnection: doglover: Bloody William: Admittedly I'm not an expert on guns, but... taking live ammunition into a place FILLED WITH FIRE could potentially cause that live ammunition to go off in the magazine, couldn't it?

Of course not. That could never happen. If it was possible, there'd be a term for it, like cooking off.

My neighbor worked for Remington when they were under DuPont.  I think he was a packaging and safety specialist.  He had this really terrific video of an old, wooden frame house packed with boxes and boxes of ammunition of all types and then they lit that f*cker off.  The fire obviously consumed the house but the forensic investigation showed that none of the cooked-off cartridges even penetrated the cartons they were stored in.  The brass casings would rupture leaving very little in the way of momentum to the pellets/rounds that were in the various loads.

Now, did it sound like a pitched battle being waged in that house?  Hell to the yes.

Now, you put those rounds in a chamber, however, and it is a different story but the firefighter would likely cook off before his piece could actually get hot enough to combust the gunpowder.


But if they're in a magazine near a firefighter's hip or shoulder, couldn't that injure? I'm not saying bullets will fly anywhere, but having a bunch of small charges go off against your body, even if the charges aren't directing anything in a specific direction, can't be that safe.
 
2014-01-24 11:20:06 AM

oldernell: Kome: Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.

I'll put our batshiat crazy politicians up against anyone's.


I'll raise you the entire state house of Tennessee.
 
2014-01-24 11:21:49 AM
I noticed none of you have ever had any experience in Firefighting or EMS in general. I do, and have served in areas of Georgia and South Carolina that are very rural very poor, sometimes urban development with gang problems and I have had some bad run ins where our lives were most def. in danger and I even wrote an essay about why they should allow this in college. You haven't considered all the different scenarios if you think this is wrong just because the source of the Endorser.
 
2014-01-24 11:30:28 AM
And armored personnel carriers.  Oooh, and a SWAT Team and some night-vision goggles.
 
2014-01-24 11:32:14 AM
Wait, you can't currently carry if you're a firefighter.........in Georgia?
 
2014-01-24 11:32:53 AM
"Not only do I think firefighters should but armed, but, believe it or not, I have a friend who have the guns to sell you.  And if you buy them with taxpayer dollars, then go nuts!"

A little reminder that most gun organizations (like the NRA) could care less about safety and more about sales.
 
2014-01-24 11:34:38 AM

Andy Andy: Wait, you can't currently carry if you're a firefighter.........in Georgia?


Don't know moved away a few years ago. When I was there we couldn't though.
 
2014-01-24 11:36:56 AM
Why not just give them hoses that spray napalm?


And we can arm our ambulance drivers with anthrax.
 
2014-01-24 11:37:05 AM
He's already armed.
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2014-01-24 11:37:43 AM

Bloody William: But if they're in a magazine near a firefighter's hip or shoulder, couldn't that injure? I'm not saying bullets will fly anywhere, but having a bunch of small charges go off against your body, even if the charges aren't directing anything in a specific direction, can't be that safe.


A pistol magazine and handgrip are more sturdy than a paper carton.  Would I want rounds cooking off on my hip, even with an FFE on?  No.  Is it (temperature aside) that dangerous?  Probably not... you need a lot of compression to keep that brass casing from bursting.
 
2014-01-24 11:38:23 AM

Mr.TheDude: I noticed none of you have ever had any experience in Firefighting or EMS in general. I do, and have served in areas of Georgia and South Carolina that are very rural very poor, sometimes urban development with gang problems and I have had some bad run ins where our lives were most def. in danger and I even wrote an essay about why they should allow this in college. You haven't considered all the different scenarios if you think this is wrong just because the source of the Endorser.


One guy up-thread said he has firefighting experience, and another is a former EMT. Both said this is a stupid idea.
 
2014-01-24 11:39:42 AM

scumshine: oldernell: Kome: Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.

I'll put our batshiat crazy politicians up against anyone's.

I'll raise you the entire state house of Tennessee.


All of them together are no match for the Wonder Twins of Derp:
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2014-01-24 11:40:03 AM
Meant to say without it burning.
 
2014-01-24 11:40:07 AM

Mr.TheDude: No, not trolling lol. It helps bc in a situation where you have one or two brothers or sisters stuck, having that in the truck as a last resort could save their lives, we have ways of getting it into them with it burning, and that's only in a live fire situation, there are a million factors at play there. All I am saying is why limit us in taking away another tool that can be used to let us get home safely to our family and friends at the end of the day.


This sounds like SWAT training stuff.  What aspect of firefighting training should be de-emphasized for more weapons, range time, tactical training, et cetera?  If it is that much of a problem then the local PD should accompany FD trucks.  We already pay for specialists, why add new ones?
 
2014-01-24 11:41:55 AM
Fark this.  You know what?  let's just issue each of them their own tactical nuclear weapon.
 
2014-01-24 11:43:21 AM
i vote for cops getting firehouses too.
 
2014-01-24 11:43:27 AM

factoryconnection: Mr.TheDude: No, not trolling lol. It helps bc in a situation where you have one or two brothers or sisters stuck, having that in the truck as a last resort could save their lives, we have ways of getting it into them with it burning, and that's only in a live fire situation, there are a million factors at play there. All I am saying is why limit us in taking away another tool that can be used to let us get home safely to our family and friends at the end of the day.

This sounds like SWAT training stuff.  What aspect of firefighting training should be de-emphasized for more weapons, range time, tactical training, et cetera?  If it is that much of a problem then the local PD should accompany FD trucks.  We already pay for specialists, why add new ones?


It's not your thinking "big city" stuff. And, I am from a big city, but this is not how it works there. Alot of times there isn't all of that support on hand like there is in more metropolitan areas. Apart from the fact that alot of FF are either EMT's or LEO's or prior military vets. So, training isnt an issue almost all already have Concealed weapons carry licenses already so licensing wouldn't be much of an issue either. I am not of the party that brought you this but I do agree with it. You really don't know how deep Shiat can get and how fast it can get there.
 
2014-01-24 11:43:33 AM

Mr.TheDude: Donnchadha: Mr.TheDude: They're not saying take them into live fires, but do have them on the rig for emergent situations. I expected more from you dumb Farker's.

I know you're probably just trolling... but what's the point in having guns if you're not going to be carrying them? In this case, would they have armed themselves before walking in to deal with the heart attack victim? Probably not -- and now they're still unarmed hostages, but at least they've got guns on the truck outside.

And that helps them, how exactly?

No, not trolling lol. It helps bc in a situation where you have one or two brothers or sisters stuck, having that in the truck as a last resort could save their lives, we have ways of getting it into them with it burning, and that's only in a live fire situation, there are a million factors at play there. All I am saying is why limit us in taking away another tool that can be used to let us get home safely to our family and friends at the end of the day.


Because that's what the police are for?
 
2014-01-24 11:44:13 AM

qorkfiend: Mr.TheDude: Donnchadha: Mr.TheDude: They're not saying take them into live fires, but do have them on the rig for emergent situations. I expected more from you dumb Farker's.

I know you're probably just trolling... but what's the point in having guns if you're not going to be carrying them? In this case, would they have armed themselves before walking in to deal with the heart attack victim? Probably not -- and now they're still unarmed hostages, but at least they've got guns on the truck outside.

And that helps them, how exactly?

No, not trolling lol. It helps bc in a situation where you have one or two brothers or sisters stuck, having that in the truck as a last resort could save their lives, we have ways of getting it into them with it burning, and that's only in a live fire situation, there are a million factors at play there. All I am saying is why limit us in taking away another tool that can be used to let us get home safely to our family and friends at the end of the day.

Because that's what the police are for?


See previous post. "Big City"
 
2014-01-24 11:46:00 AM

Mr.TheDude: qorkfiend: Mr.TheDude: Donnchadha: Mr.TheDude: They're not saying take them into live fires, but do have them on the rig for emergent situations. I expected more from you dumb Farker's.

I know you're probably just trolling... but what's the point in having guns if you're not going to be carrying them? In this case, would they have armed themselves before walking in to deal with the heart attack victim? Probably not -- and now they're still unarmed hostages, but at least they've got guns on the truck outside.

And that helps them, how exactly?

No, not trolling lol. It helps bc in a situation where you have one or two brothers or sisters stuck, having that in the truck as a last resort could save their lives, we have ways of getting it into them with it burning, and that's only in a live fire situation, there are a million factors at play there. All I am saying is why limit us in taking away another tool that can be used to let us get home safely to our family and friends at the end of the day.

Because that's what the police are for?

See previous post. "Big City"


And why do you think it's necessary to have fire departments duplicate police functions?
 
2014-01-24 11:46:53 AM

scumshine: oldernell: Kome: Quit being such a dumbsh*t coward and actually work towards fixing real problems in your state.

I'll put our batshiat crazy politicians up against anyone's.

I'll raise you the entire state house of Tennessee.


In Georgia, it is currently against the law to implant a microchip in someone's brain for the purposes of mind control. This is an actual law on the books. Your move.
 
2014-01-24 11:46:59 AM
I could back a law that removes any state restrictions on firefighters carrying but I imagine most firefighting districts not allowing their people to carry because of liability reasons.... so nothing will have changed.
 
2014-01-24 11:49:33 AM
No we need to replace fire fighters with drones. Fire fighting drones armed with Hell Frost fire suppression missiles. I can see it now a squadron of drones screaming off the catapult launch system at the old fire house zipping down the street to a fire when as one they launch missiles and then BOOM they explode expanding all the oxygen in the area instantly killing the flames and putting out the fire.

We could keep a few of the meat fire fighters around for cats in trees and what not, because people sure do seem to get upset when you shoot a cat out of a tree with a missile.
 
2014-01-24 11:50:30 AM
That's the wrong kind of fire fight, sir.

=Smidge=
 
2014-01-24 11:50:43 AM
They need tax cuts too.
 
2014-01-24 11:52:14 AM

Slaves2Darkness: No we need to replace fire fighters with drones. Fire fighting drones armed with Hell Frost fire suppression missiles. I can see it now a squadron of drones screaming off the catapult launch system at the old fire house zipping down the street to a fire when as one they launch missiles and then BOOM they explode expanding all the oxygen in the area instantly killing the flames and putting out the fire.

We could keep a few of the meat fire fighters around for cats in trees and what not, because people sure do seem to get upset when you shoot a cat out of a tree with a missile.


lmao that would be bad ass. :p
 
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