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2014-01-24 10:07:59 AM  

SuperChuck: Gatorade is good for kids when they're sick and need fluids/nutrients. It the same thing as that Pedialyte stuff and costs far less.


I found that out the hard way. Pedialyte tastes like ass, no kid wants to drink that.
 
2014-01-24 10:09:44 AM  
The easiest guide;to follow when feeding kids is to watch TV with them to see what product are most heavily advertised. Then steer clear of them.

To summarize: Nutrition is inversely proportional to advertising budget.
 
2014-01-24 10:17:13 AM  

Xavier99: HotWingConspiracy: And for a great post-soccer game recovery drink, try chocolate milk - it has the perfect blend of carbs and protein to help little bodies repair and replenish.

Who the hell wants to drink milk after playing soccer on a hot day? Barf

That was literally my first thought - hot + tired + thirsty + milk = Puke city.


I was told this (when I was in roller derby) and I am by no means an expert but I think the theory is that whatever's in chocolate milk helps the body stave off muscle pain (and if you've had achey muscles the day after a hard workout, you know what I mean) and is also a source of carbs. They actually recommended drinking something called Muscle Milk after training for the same reason (which is disgusting... the chocolate milk sounds healthier and more natural.) And you don't drink it right after working out, you drink it within an hour after exercise. Does it work? Maybe for some people. Lots of my teammates claimed it worked. *shrug*
 
2014-01-24 10:18:59 AM  

milowitz: SuperChuck: Gatorade is good for kids when they're sick and need fluids/nutrients. It the same thing as that Pedialyte stuff and costs far less.

I found that out the hard way. Pedialyte tastes like ass, no kid wants to drink that.


i always had liquid jello when I was sick.

I now by gatorade if they run a fever.

No farking milk, nothing like trying to clean up cottage cheese barf.

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2014-01-24 10:20:16 AM  
I think the discussion about sports drinks is interesting. I agree, they are way too sweet, and kids will tend to drink them instead of water, which is just like giving them a soda. Remember that the normal sized bottle of Gatorade is probably 2.5 servings. When it's super hot and I'm at practice or tournaments for my sports, I have a big water jug that I dump one bottle of Gatorade in, and then fill the rest with water and ice. It dilutes it perfectly. Parents should probably do this for their kids instead of just giving them bottles of sugar.

As for the chocolate milk thing, there are a number of studies that discuss how it's the perfect post workout recovery drink, thanks to the combination of carbs and protein. I have an 8oz glass of 1% milk with Ovaltine mixed in after my practices, runs, or gym workouts (not immediately after, because yes, drinking milk right after exercise probably wouldn't go well on the stomach). I wouldn't do this with Hersey's chocolate syrup or something, at least Ovaltine has vitamins, minerals, and actual cocoa in it.

/Be sure to drink your Ovaltine? A crummy commercial?!
 
2014-01-24 10:23:37 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The easiest guide;to follow when feeding kids is to watch TV with them to see what product are most heavily advertised. Then steer clear of them.


Between the DVR, Netflix, and a hard drive full of our ripped DVD collection, my kids don't watch television the same way I did.  They don't sit down to live television and channel surfing.  Instead, they go to the TV with a specific show already in mind, watch it, and move on to something else.   If it is on the Tivo they will skip the commercials.
 
GBB
2014-01-24 10:27:26 AM  

mike_d85: GBB: Because your body doesn't store carbs.  Your body uses carbs.  Carbs are energy.  Fat is what your body stores.  It stores it because your body can break fat down into carbs and use the carbs as energy.  So a diet of 95% carbs will keep you skinny, but not necessarily healthy.

Yeah, those bastard cows eating all that fatty grass and oats to give them their high saturated fat content.  Red meat would be healthy if they'd lay off all those fatty foods.


WTF are you on?

"Most grass-fed cattle are leaner than feedlot beef, lacking marbling, which lowers the fat content and caloric level of the meat." - Wiki
 
2014-01-24 10:27:47 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: I'm sorry, I just hate crap like this.  Tons of claims, zero source material.  Let's go to the breakdown!

1. Microwave Popcorn (PFOA) -
I can't find any corroborating scientific evidence on this. I've found info on perfluorooctanoic acid (a carcinogen) being used in the manufacture of teflon, but it is not used in the manufacturing process of teflon cookware. I can't find anything (other than sites like MNN) stating this is being used in microwave popcorn.  In order to break down teflon, it needs to be heated to about 500 degrees Fahrenheit, and a 1959 FDA study showed that the toxicity of fumes given off by the coated pan on dry heating was less than that of fumes given off by ordinary cooking oils.[1]

2. Meats (fats, nitrates and other preservatives) -
Sodium Nitrate was a common preservative in meats, this is true. The first documented cases of reaction with meats to cause a strand of nitrosamine (of which there are 18, 10 being carcinogenic) was in the 1970s, when it was used to preserve fish reacting with the dimethylamine in the fish and produced dimethylnitrosamine.[2] In the past 20 years meat manufacturing has all but eliminated sodium nitrate as a preservative, opting instead for ascorbate and erythorbate, both known to deplete residual nitrite and inhibit the production of N-nitrosamines.[3]

3. Canned Tomatoes (BPA) -
Cans were commonly lined with bisophenal-A (BPA). So were many other things, the one pointed to most often during legislative hearings over the substance was baby formula containers. In 2009 The Endocrine Society released a statement expressing concern over potential health risk, which fueled legislators in the US and abroad to act. Bisphenol A is an endocrine disruptor, which can mimic the body's own hormones and  may lead to negative health effects.[4][5] An editorial in the same issue the mentioned Lang Study was published in noted that while this preliminary study needs to be confirmed and cannot prove causality, there is precedent fo ...


Thanks for that. It IS Mother Nature News, that's right up there with Natural News woo.
 
2014-01-24 10:33:57 AM  

Punk Rock Hippie: Kyro: I'm not a parent, nor an extraordinarily healthy eater.  But I always wonder why you see parents giving a 5-month-old ice cream, or cake, or candy.  They have no benchmark on junk food.  Why not cram their gullets with as much wholesomely unappealing vegetables you can until they discover sugar on their own?  I mean yeah the gig will eventually be up, but  this seems like an avoidable problem to me.

I watch my sister raise my nephew on nothing but junk.
When he was a baby, the doctor said he was a little underweight. And the kid hated eating, it took over 2 hours to feed him a few spoonfuls of yogurt or baby food. So I think at first, she fed him high-calorie sweet stuff just to get him to eat, because GODS FORBID you have a child that doesn't meet 100% of every benchmark and percentile your supposedly individual kid is supposed to hit. But now, the kid eats a nonstop supply of sugar, sugar, and more sugar (except when he's eating chicken nuggets and fries).  He's not fat, and he does get a healthy, home-cooked meal every night (but if he doesn't like it he gets sugary yogurt and chocolate granola bars.)  It just seems to me that some parents find it so much easier and more convenient to just give the kid what they want to shut them up.

THANKFULLY my husband and I chose not to have kids. I would have been that kind of mom too. I am lazy as hell and can't be buggered so I DID NOT HAVE KIDS because I know how I am. If I hadn't had that abortion when I was 19, Little Hippie Jr. would be stoned out of his mind, serving you your fries right now with a side of saliva, because that's probably the kind of ill-mannered, neglected little brat I would have raised. YOU ARE WELCOME.

/When I'm President, there will be an abortion clinic on every street corner


Out of your entire blog there, the thing that really stands out is "I can't be buggered"..

What?!
 
2014-01-24 10:56:47 AM  
My nephew's entire diet as a child seemed to consist of:

mac & cheese
bacon
toast
french fries
soda pop
juice
potato chips

I suppose you could live on that. Poor people are sometimes forced to live on that. But when everybody else is eating steak or lobster, it is a bit weird.

There is probably a genetic element which he may have gotten from both parents. Also, he is probably a bit autistic, possibly has Asperger's syndrome. I can't rule out childhood sickness or that head injury he suffered. But in any case, a quasi-autistic aversion to novelty and change. At least he has added the odd item to his list of acceptable foods since he married.

I wonder what the Hell he'll eat when he's in Jamaica?

It is futile to attempt to feed a child anything they don't want. In the long term, they'll wear you down before they surrender. The best you can do is secretly put pureed vegetables in their hamburger and trick them into eating something healthy disguised as junk food. If you get them to try one new food a month or a year, you're doing well. They may be able to eat a balanced diet by the time they are 21. it will still be a restricted diet, though. Maybe they are super-tasters or something.

One of the big problems with children is that they have a lot more taste buds than adults. You can feed old people pureed newspaper for all they know or care, but a child can still taste broccoli and garlic and stuff.
 
Ant
2014-01-24 10:57:21 AM  

ongbok: Sports drinks. I remember a time when the only sports drink was Gator Aid, and it came in just 3 flavors, Lemon, Lemon Lime and Fruit Punch. Back then it was truly an acquired taste, and tasted nothing like the sugar filled stuff it is now.


Mmmm... Ball sweat with a twist of lemon. Good stuff.
 
2014-01-24 11:01:54 AM  

DrBrownCow: dready zim: You have cans with plastic lining on the inside? I was worried because I eat tinned tomatoes but I`ve never seen that. I was wondering how plastic got into a metal can. I`ll avoid those if I see them.

The plastic lined cans weremarketed as a way to stop the contents from interacting with the metal.  I've always assumed it was in the cans with a white plastic lining, and I haven't seen those in awhile.    But, as I looked for a photo of one, a lot of the articles use stock photos of normal cans.  So, either the lining is invisible, or a lot of the authors are too lazy to track down can that is actually lined with a BPA plastic.


BPA is not white. It is transparent. You can't see it.
 
Ant
2014-01-24 11:07:15 AM  

SuperChuck: Gatorade is good for kids when they're sick and need fluids/nutrients. It the same thing as that Pedialyte stuff and costs far less.


That's is the only time we ever buy it. I made the mistake once of getting unflavored pedialyte once. Gah! Most disgusting thing ever!
 
2014-01-24 11:12:51 AM  

CeroX: Full Disclosure: I eat a shiat ton of processed meats, which I know is contributing to my recent gain of 10 pounds.

Here's my take on processed meat. It's not necessarily the stuff they put in it that contributes to obesity or whatever. In my opinion, it's the processing. I don't have any data to back up this hypothesis (notice i didn't use the word theory) but here it is:

When you eat a steak, or ribs, or whole piece of chicken, your body takes longer to digest the material. You have to chew more, you need more fiber to get it to move or you will end up constipated. So it stands to reason that when you chew with your teeth, it's not all that efficient at breaking down the meat unless you are chewing for a really long time.

When we process meat, we are letting metal teeth "pre-chew" the meat for us. Then when we eat it, we chew the meat again, breaking it down even further. This is a very efficient way of digesting meat so we are able to draw more calories and nutrients from it than we normally would be able to. Since we've only been processing meat for a couple hundred years, humans haven't had enough time to adapt to that. So basically, we are making eating meat a lot more efficient than our bodies are used to, so we don't need to eat as much meat as we would if we were simply eating meat off the bone.

My thoughts and ideas. Doesn't mean they are right, just makes sense to me...


Processed meats gets fillers added (I'm assuming something made from corn) for whatever reasons and cured with nitrities - which is different than veggie nitrities!

If you are really dedicated to finding if your nutrient absportion hypothesis is true, try subbing your industrial processed meats with butcher processed meats - they don't add anything to the meat and don't cure with nitrites.
 
2014-01-24 11:16:45 AM  
Holy crap that's a huge steaming pile of "citation needed" and stupid hippie rubbish.

so loaded with artificial colors and sugar that it negates any health benefits the original food might contain.

Wow, artificial colors NEGATE nutrition? What an amazing discovery!
 
2014-01-24 11:36:24 AM  

kroonermanblack: Really hippies? Fat is bad and causes colon cancer in children?  How many actual farking statistical studies do you have on that? Because I'm betting that colon cancer is such a diminishingly rare issue for children that it can't be declaratively and definitively linked to your farking hot dogs.

Fat is demonstrably NOT bad for you; the brain and body need it, as all of the paleo people will lovingly tell you for 400 hours.

I actually agree about the sugar stuff.  But they show their hand when they go 'FEED THE BASTARDS CHOCOLCATE MALK!!' in the sports drink section.  Guess what? Chocomalk is just as high in sugar as your nemesis sport drinks. If not more. It's a soda.


A co-worker of mine - a true soccer-mom - fed her kids such a low fat diet that their pediatrician told her she was putting them in some danger. I recall it because she was outraged at being lectured about how her low-fat diet wasn't healthy for 8 and 10-year old boys who spent most afternoons running.

All things in moderation - and all bets are off once they hit their mid-teens - their eating habits can be astonishing from an adult pov
 
2014-01-24 11:39:59 AM  

Odin's Other Eye: Demiglace: Odin's Other Eye: Why does ANYONE eat microwaved popcorn? It takes maybe 5 minutes to make a big pot of real popcorn, and it tastes SO MUCH BETTER. Even with a ton of butter, it's one of the best snacks out there. 

My kid gets a fair amount of processed meat - you can't be a kid in Norway and not eat pølse (hot dogs) - but why anyone would give their kids "sports drinks", sugared cereal or kid yogurt I don't understand. Tomatoes here come in cartons, and BPA was outlawed a long time ago, so I think we're ok there.

But seriously. Kids will like plain yogurt with a little honey or jam in it. Kids will eat a lot of things if you don't make them afraid of it - they don't need special "kid food." Plain cereal is fine, or just eat some good toast or something. Feed your kids food - it doesn't have to be super organic kelp flakes, just regular old food - and run them like dogs. They'll do fine.

If you're extremely active you end up sweating up a storm which can make it helpful to drink something like a sports drink to help with quenching your thirst, since just drinking water on its own won't really hydrate you if there's no salts/electrolytes.

I remember hearing as a kid how some kids would get salt tablets from their coach to help out in longer games for instance.

So if you have kids that are really running around playing a large amount then it is somewhat sensible to try a sport's drink.

I guess I can grant you that. But water works pretty ok, too. And usually when I see kids drinking "sports drinks" it is in a completely non-sports-related context. It's like Vitamin Water - the labeling makes you think it's good for you, when mostly, it's just another kind of sugar water.


I had an occasion where I was at the doctor and looking a bit dehydrated with my dried out lips (was hiking that morning), and he seemed to think I was being a bit stupid for just drinking water a lot when I was thirsty since there's nothing in it to replenish your salts.

Though this stuff is basically like protein bars which are meant as meal replacements that plenty of people probably just eat as minor snacks during the day, there are some real uses for them especially with younger kids who are usually running about and playing enough that they could be sweating quite a bit. But then I am basing these thoughts on how I was growing up in the 90's versus how some kids may be growing up today where parents may be a bit more protective about letting their kids even leave their lawn.
 
2014-01-24 11:40:54 AM  
I like Coke. I really do. About 2 cans a day.

But I thought it was a bit much when they pulled this shiat:
farm3.staticflickr.com

I was like "Really Coke? Really?"
 
2014-01-24 11:42:07 AM  

parasol: adult pov


Just don't google that at work...
 
2014-01-24 12:00:26 PM  
EvilEgg:

1/3 cp popcorn + paper lunch bag = microwavable popcorn.  Not any harder, much cheaper, and you can add whatever flavors you want.


This. $1.49 for a 1# bag of Goya popcorn kernels, and $2.19 for a 40-pack of brown paper bags. Thats about 15-20 bowls of popcorn, at the same price as three pouches of the pre-bagged.

 no need for an air-popper
 
2014-01-24 12:01:24 PM  

great_tigers: You feed your kid canned tomatoes?


Right from the can.
 
2014-01-24 12:15:21 PM  

GBB: mike_d85: GBB: Because your body doesn't store carbs.  Your body uses carbs.  Carbs are energy.  Fat is what your body stores.  It stores it because your body can break fat down into carbs and use the carbs as energy.  So a diet of 95% carbs will keep you skinny, but not necessarily healthy.

Yeah, those bastard cows eating all that fatty grass and oats to give them their high saturated fat content.  Red meat would be healthy if they'd lay off all those fatty foods.

WTF are you on?

"Most grass-fed cattle are leaner than feedlot beef, lacking marbling, which lowers the fat content and caloric level of the meat." - Wiki


By your rationale, there should be 0 fat in grass fed beef.  Because there is virtually no fat in grass (I assume there are random fatty acids and such).  This is incorrect.  Unburned carbohydrates turn into fat.  Which is why an animal like a deer has lower fat contents (they burn off their food).

From nutritiondata.self.com:
~~Beef, grass-fed, strip steaks, lean only, raw, 6g of fat (about 1/4th compared to the crap, yes)
~~Game meat, deer, ground, raw  2g of fat (lots of running and foliage)
 
2014-01-24 12:22:26 PM  

Odin's Other Eye: Chocolate milk is sold as a sports drink here. Me, I don't get it.

Video games are considered a sport now.

 
2014-01-24 01:13:22 PM  

mr0x: DrBrownCow: dready zim: You have cans with plastic lining on the inside? I was worried because I eat tinned tomatoes but I`ve never seen that. I was wondering how plastic got into a metal can. I`ll avoid those if I see them.

The plastic lined cans weremarketed as a way to stop the contents from interacting with the metal.  I've always assumed it was in the cans with a white plastic lining, and I haven't seen those in awhile.    But, as I looked for a photo of one, a lot of the articles use stock photos of normal cans.  So, either the lining is invisible, or a lot of the authors are too lazy to track down can that is actually lined with a BPA plastic.

BPA is not white. It is transparent. You can't see it.


This.

My understanding is most cans in the us are lined with clear plastic that contains bpa.
 
2014-01-24 01:27:04 PM  

o'really: This.

My understanding is most cans in the us are lined with clear plastic that contains bpa.


The white cans cost a lot more and are usually used on premium products.  We had 2 labels that used white cans and most others used the standard.  There was 1 other label that used a different can that had a red hue to it.
 
2014-01-24 01:37:47 PM  

Demiglace: legion_of_doo: microwave popcorn. is it really that hard to make popcorn? yes, rhetorical. no, it isnt hard, and it's more economical to buy regular popping corn. plus, you can still microwave it if you wanted to.

processed meat. i recall reading something about natural nitrites like celery juice. the funny thing being that chemistry dont give a damn if shiat is natural or not. plus, we like spam. and bacon. and hot dogs.

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Yeah it's extremely easy to microwave popcorn, and tastes a lot better when you use things like real butter for the topping.


WTF??? DOES THAT REALLY WORK? ARE YOU A WIZARD?
 
2014-01-24 01:49:10 PM  

question_dj: Rev. Skarekroe: Canned tomatoes?  Who feeds their kid canned tomatoes?

If I want San Marzano tomatoes for my red sauce, I have to use canned.


This.

Anyway, the FDA has done pretty thorough analysis on the (lack of) toxicity of BPA in the amounts found from food products and deemed it to be safe. Until I see anything game changing to the contrary, I'm not sacrificing my canned tomatoes.
 
2014-01-24 02:37:00 PM  

ongbok: Sports drinks. I remember a time when the only sports drink was Gator Aid, and it came in just 3 flavors, Lemon, Lemon Lime and Fruit Punch. Back then it was truly an acquired taste, and tasted nothing like the sugar filled stuff it is now.


I remember when it was still owned by Stokely and the only flavor was "green". To this day I don't like the taste of it because it reminds me of football practice.
 
2014-01-24 03:10:55 PM  

TNel: o'really: This.

My understanding is most cans in the us are lined with clear plastic that contains bpa.

The white cans cost a lot more and are usually used on premium products.  We had 2 labels that used white cans and most others used the standard.  There was 1 other label that used a different can that had a red hue to it.


are you saying the white/reddish ones don't have bpa?
 
2014-01-24 03:15:02 PM  

GBB: Kyro: Punk Rock Hippie: I watch my sister raise my nephew on nothing but junk.
When he was a baby, the doctor said he was a little underweight. And the kid hated eating, it took over 2 hours to feed him a few spoonfuls of yogurt or baby food. So I think at first, she fed him high-calorie sweet stuff just to get him to eat, because GODS FORBID you have a child that doesn't meet 100% of every benchmark and percentile your supposedly individual kid is supposed to hit. But now, the kid eats a nonstop supply of sugar, sugar, and more sugar (except when he's eating chicken nuggets and fries).  He's not fat, and he does get a healthy, home-cooked meal every night (but if he doesn't like it he gets sugary yogurt and chocolate granola bars.)  It just seems to me that some parents find it so much easier and more convenient to just give the kid what they want to shut them up.

My nephew is 5.  They started him off garbage early on.  Now he won't eat any vegetables or meat.  He'll only eat macaroni, cheese and bread.  His diet is like 95% carb.  He's not fat yet, but I don't see how it can be anything but a matter of time at this point.

Because your body doesn't store carbs.  Your body uses carbs.  Carbs are energy.  Fat is what your body stores.  It stores it because your body can break fat down into carbs and use the carbs as energy.  So a diet of 95% carbs will keep you skinny, but not necessarily healthy.



That is not how it works.

Carbs consumed over what you burn turn into fat. stored fat is not converted to carbs.

eating a diet of primarily carbs can absolutely make you fat.
 
2014-01-24 03:19:40 PM  

o'really: are you saying the white/reddish ones don't have bpa?


I really don't know for sure.  We were never told or even cared if they did contain BPA.  Cans got loaded onto the line, we filled, capped, and cooked them.  The white cans were to trick consumers into thinking the beans were of higher quality since the white cans showed off more of the color of the beans so you thought the beans were better when in fact they were the exact same as the store brand.
 
2014-01-24 03:24:21 PM  

Kyro: I'm not a parent, nor an extraordinarily healthy eater.  But I always wonder why you see parents giving a 5-month-old ice cream, or cake, or candy.  They have no benchmark on junk food.  Why not cram their gullets with as much wholesomely unappealing vegetables you can until they discover sugar on their own?  I mean yeah the gig will eventually be up, but  this seems like an avoidable problem to me.


Actually, most children have specific taste receptors that pick up 'bitter' in dark green, calciferous veggies. That's  why we think of them as unappealing. It's an evolutionary mechanism so kids don't cram poison ivy in their mouths. Sometimes it lasts until adulthood (like in me), sometimes it doesn't (like in my mother). They're designed to crave sugar and fat instead, so they can grow.
 
2014-01-24 03:24:46 PM  

TNel: o'really: are you saying the white/reddish ones don't have bpa?

I really don't know for sure.  We were never told or even cared if they did contain BPA.  Cans got loaded onto the line, we filled, capped, and cooked them.  The white cans were to trick consumers into thinking the beans were of higher quality since the white cans showed off more of the color of the beans so you thought the beans were better when in fact they were the exact same as the store brand.



huh, interesting.
 
2014-01-24 04:58:13 PM  
I cringe to think anyone is reading this thread and "learning" about health, nutrition, or medical science.
 
2014-01-24 05:48:28 PM  

CoonAce: I cringe to think anyone is reading this thread and "learning" about health, nutrition, or medical science.


Why? Let the stupid fester in their ignorance.
 
2014-01-24 08:58:27 PM  
Forget my kid's diet. That's a good portion of my diet, too, and you can have my frozen Gogurt when you pry it from my cold, dead, diabetic fingers.
 
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