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2014-01-24 08:12:19 AM
4 votes:
nowscape.com

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
2014-01-24 07:49:03 AM
4 votes:

Mad Scientist: That any legitimacy or consideration is given to the Mormon religionScientology, one invented by a convicted criminal in the clear view of recent recorded history, is a great failing of humankind.


And in another 50 years, we'll have a newly invented brand of idiocy.
2014-01-24 09:56:26 AM
3 votes:

1nsanilicious: 1. Everyone has the right to voice an opinion. Even those who belong to a church.
2. Everyone has the right to vote, even those who are religious.
3. The Mormon church does not threaten politicians to vote a certain way. Harry Reid is a Mormon, you would think that he would have been drummed out of the LDS church by your strict-cult based insinuations.
4. Kuddos to Utah for voting for things that are clean and good for the overall public.


Pull the special underwear out of your ass and chill out.  Not everyone on the internet, or even in real life, needs to like or agree with your religion.

And the issue isn't whether or not religious people can vote, the issue is really is whether or not religious people should be able to impose their beliefs and practices on other people.  Obviously, you think you should, but many of us disagree.  Good for you that you all don't drink and abstain from consuming other chemicals/hot drinks--I'm sure that's a positive for your community.  But I, and many other people, believe that other people, who don't practice your religion, shouldn't be legally forced to follow its rules.

Do you see how that works?  I mean this as a legitimate question, because a lot of religious adherents don't seem to understand.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink coffee.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd also like to be gay and get married.  And I think that I should be allowed to do those things, because one religion's rules shouldn't get preferential treatment under the law.  That's really what we're talking about here, and the very public attempts to legislate other people's behaviors based on your religion is why a lot of people don't like your religion very much these days.

You're free to follow your religion's rules.  I should be free to follow my own religion's (or lack thereof) rules.  This is America, and that's how it should be.  Because let's face it--without the baked-in religious freedom of this country's founding, you guys never would have made it to being the established, organized, and influential body that you are today.  So respect the laws that helped you, and extend that courtesy to others.
2014-01-24 04:18:24 PM
2 votes:
It's almost as if Mormons don't trust their flock to not drink. If your little cult is so great, why don't you trust the adherents to follow the tenets?
2014-01-24 09:47:09 AM
2 votes:
Ah Mormons, today's version of the Puritans.
2014-01-24 08:33:56 AM
2 votes:
The problem with people who deliberately avoid drinking for moral or religious reasons is that they ascribe nearly magical and illogical properties to alcohol - I saw this happen in Utah quite a bit when I lived there.  If you've had a single beer, you're unfit to drive six hours later, for example.  If you taste alcohol, you'll become addicted to it.  That sort of thing.  It makes their moral argument hard to listen to, kind of like their moral argument on sexual abstinence; they might both originate from a legitimate concern for their fellows' spiritual health, but somewhere along the way they've created a bizarre and logic-free anti-fetish that does a lot more harm than good.
2014-01-24 08:14:56 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: and also - rum is holy water.  use it wisely!


Oh, brother, I have sinned! The first time I ever got drunk, it was on rum. That wasn't the sin. This was also the first time I had been drinking, so with know knowledge of the subject, I established a baseline that roughly 5oz of rum was a basic serving size. Over time, I developed my tolerance up to coffee mugs full of rum. One night, I was at a party, and saw, "Hey, rum! And coffee mugs! I know what to do here!" So I grabbed the bottle of rum, loaded it into a coffee mug, and didn't think twice about why this bottle of rum had a weird little metal grille on top, or what the meaning of the number "151" on the side was.

The next morning I had to get up at around sunrise and drive  east for two hours. It was one of the  worst days in my life up to that point.

In any case, back to ragging on Mormons, we should all have a shot of rum in honor of Lucy Harris, who knew what was up with Mormonism.
2014-01-24 08:12:17 AM
2 votes:
1. Everyone has the right to voice an opinion. Even those who belong to a church.
2. Everyone has the right to vote, even those who are religious.
3. The Mormon church does not threaten politicians to vote a certain way. Harry Reid is a Mormon, you would think that he would have been drummed out of the LDS church by your strict-cult based insinuations.
4. Kuddos to Utah for voting for things that are clean and good for the overall public.
2014-01-24 08:06:01 AM
2 votes:

no 5th av. in Billings: It stuck out to me right away that booze (beer) advertising in Utah gas stations was noticeably more "over the top" than other places I've been. Really bolstered the disappointment  in seeing it was 3.2 beer. Maybe this needs more warning.
/dnrtfa


A state swathed in a "faith" that was come up by a con man who swore by plates written in a special language that only he could see is banking on its residents' not reading? Why am I not shocked?
2014-01-24 07:47:27 AM
2 votes:
That any legitimacy or consideration is given to the Mormon religion, one invented by a convicted criminal in the clear view of recent recorded history, is a great failing of humankind.
2014-01-24 07:42:38 AM
2 votes:
Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.
2014-01-24 07:23:17 AM
2 votes:
... and chip away at the outside perception the Utah's rules are abnormal.

It's not a perception, it's a reality.
2014-01-24 11:36:39 AM
1 votes:

skozlaw: EyeballKid: ..."faith" that was come up by a con man...

As opposed to faith that was created by an honest individual who provided considerable data that was able to sway adherents by reason?


If it is knowable, if you can show it to other people and prove it, it's no longer faith. Faith is not needed for what you know to be true and can prove. That's called knowledge.
2014-01-24 10:23:47 AM
1 votes:
Utah.

#1 in porn subscriptions
#1 in prescription drug abuse
#1 in hypocrisy

Congratulations.
2014-01-24 10:23:24 AM
1 votes:
www.sltrib.com
2014-01-24 10:04:09 AM
1 votes:

Cheron: Just because you don't drink does mean you can't have fun.  You can always spy on your roommate and narc him out if he slips


I just watched the video you linked and I have to say...
...keeping in mind that I am a super mega butch lesbian, who is married to another woman, and who until recently lived in Berkeley, and one of my very good friends is a man who cruises grindr and has the hook from Brittany Spear's "Toxic" as his ringtone...
...that is one of the gayest things I have ever seen.

/It's just a mormon student video about ratting on your friends when they fall off the morality wagon because "you don't leave a fellow soldier behind in the morality war."
//Worth a watch, pretty entertaining.  Completely SFW.
///Shockingly high production values for what it is.
2014-01-24 09:39:08 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: skozlaw: EyeballKid: ..."faith" that was come up by a con man...

As opposed to faith that was created by an honest individual who provided considerable data that was able to sway adherents by reason?


True that, but nonetheless there is a notable difference. I can say that any other faith is just as half-assed and convoluted in its mythmaking as the LDS, but that's the only one, other than Scientology, where there are actual records of the founder -- an actual criminal record! -- upon which you can make assessments and such. It's not like we have a record of some fat kid named Siddartha claiming his attempts to reach oneness kept him from going to work or paying child support or the like. The older faiths have, at least, some sort of vagueness and lack of a central figure who actually propagated said faith. This is not the case with Scientology or Mormonism. And I can't help but find that kind of faith especially stupid.


Regarding your HE WAS CONVICTED DONT BELIEVE!!!

1. He was tried many times on many things that people who didn't like him made up. Haters gonna hate I suppose, but simply because your society dislikes you doesn't mean that it should be proof that you were wrong. I can think of many famous historical figures who were tried on trumped up charges.

2. There were only two things, it is said, that he was actually "convicted of".

a. Glass Looking/money digger - he was tried many times for this and found not guilty, because the charges were trumped up. The only time they got a conviction on this for him was when he said that he divined who what and where money was stolen from the plaintiff 16yrs earlier and the plaintiff said it was a true divination. Therefore the court convicted him. By today's standard the whole thing would have been thrown entirely as wasting the courts time. Truly, as you say, a convicted con man! -.-

2. Bank Fraud - in US history at that time, banks would issue and back their own currency. Not being able to secure a bank charter from Ohio legislature (speculation abounds on both sides as to why), they set up a Quasi bank, that required no bank charter which was a common practice for those who wanted to have bank like services in their community.

Many Banks failed in the economic panic of 1837, this "bank" in Kirtland was no acception. Investors got angry and four sued for restitution claiming illegal bank status. Oddly enough, those who were in charge of the bank had charges dropped by the plaintiffs but decided to continue to press charges against the cashier, Joseph Smith, they said he promised the bank was divined by God there was no evidence of this. Please please don't tell me he was running the banksmart enough to run a bank he only had a second grade education, anyone talking to him was able to quickly discern that fact and would not have invested in a bank if HE was the one running it.

3. If you consider yourself Christian and discount Joseph Smith outright because of these court proceedings then you are a hypocrit. Moses murdered an Egyptian as is said in Exodus, so by your logic he is a false prophet and should be ignored and derided.
2014-01-24 09:17:25 AM
1 votes:
Utah has some really nice ski resorts and a beautiful desert.  The rest of the state is a wasteland.
2014-01-24 09:01:25 AM
1 votes:
As a Utah farker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

There is some good news. We have a handful of large-ish, award-winning production breweries and they all have brewpubs, taprooms, growler fills, or sell directly at the brewery. We also have a great distillery in Park City.  The bad news is selection is terrible and there are not enough state liquors stores to make shopping convenient.

The societal culture supports a change in the laws to be less restrictive, but the religious culture rules all around here. If anyone seriously believes the Church doesn't heavily influence voting, they're kidding themselves.
2014-01-24 08:34:33 AM
1 votes:
I don't trust any Christians that don't drink for "religious" reasons. It's fine if you don't want to drink because you never personally liked alcohol. If you quit because you were an alcoholic and you do terrible things while drunk, by all means, don't drink. But when the mythical founder of your religion has two defining events that revolve around making sure everyone had some wine, you can't farking tell me that you don't drink because your faith is against alcohol.
2014-01-24 08:27:55 AM
1 votes:
Dear Religious Asshats,

It's nice that your crazy cult wants you to abstain from alcohol. I'm glad you are abstaining.
I, however, am not a follower of your faith. I will never be a follower of your faith. There are lots of people who aren't followers of your faith. We do not wish to abstain.
Stop trying to make us.

xoxoxo

The Rest of Us
2014-01-24 08:17:28 AM
1 votes:
Close call.

Mormons are only slightly less annoying than drunks.
2014-01-24 08:13:28 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: ..."faith" that was come up by a con man...


As opposed to faith that was created by an honest individual who provided considerable data that was able to sway adherents by reason?
2014-01-24 07:54:48 AM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

You can extend that to include any religion that bans bacon or cheeseburgers. Dangerous and creepy.


ok, I can follow you on this one.  so valid religions must like coffee, rum, bacon AND cheeseburgers.  any spiritual belief system that denies the deliciousness of the previously listed foods is to be considered a dangerous cult and avoided like the plague.  and also - rum is holy water.  use it wisely!
2014-01-24 07:40:55 AM
1 votes:

vpb: ongbok:

Their number of alcohol related traffic deaths per capita was .292 per 10,000 people. New York was second with .305 per 10,000 people, and New York had almost 9x the population as Utah.

Which means what, considering that the statistics are per 10,000 people?


New York doesn't have crazy strict alcohol laws and their deaths per capita is almost as low as Utah's.
2014-01-24 07:37:47 AM
1 votes:
There's an old saying: if you bring one Mormon fishing with you, he's going to drink all your beer. If you bring two Mormons fishing, you get to have all the beer to yourself.

ongbok: per 10,000 people, and New York had almost 9x the population as Utah.


Actual population size isn't important when you're measuring something on a per-capita basis. Now, some measure of density (cars per mile of road) may be useful- New York is much denser.
2014-01-24 07:28:59 AM
1 votes:
Way to separate Church and State, Utah.
2014-01-24 07:23:21 AM
1 votes:
It's their state, they can do what they want with it. You don't have to live there.

/no, I do not extend that theory to every issue
2014-01-24 07:19:15 AM
1 votes:
arches.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-24 07:18:49 AM
1 votes:
i26.photobucket.com

"This actually needs some explanation. Beer in Supermarkets in Utah is weak, 3 points instead of the normal 6 points of alchohol. It's the religious influence, and a pain in the ass. Now to me it makes no sense. If you've got alchohol, you've got alchohol. So why 3 instead of 6? You know a drunk's just going to drink twice as many beers to get drunk, so you not only have a drunk on your hands, you have a drunk who's fat and gross. There's nothing worse."

 
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