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mhd
2014-01-24 08:41:11 AM

kbronsito: But when the mythical founder of your religion has two defining events that revolve around making sure everyone had some wine, you can't farking tell me that you don't drink because your faith is against alcohol.


On the other hand, make sure that your young'ins don't see you naked after you passed out drunk.
 
2014-01-24 08:42:16 AM

Cheron: You can always spy on your roommate and narc him out if he slips


The soldier in that video is shouldering a Yugoslavian SKS. Mormons are Communists!
 
DVD
2014-01-24 08:42:54 AM
"No" Farkers in Utah?  Umm... What?  On the contrary, I'd say the attempts at driving out the Utah and/or Mormon Farkers hasn't been entirely successful.

Also, 2nd post, Onkel Buck, is that Benedict Cumberbatch on his first morning in Utah?
 
2014-01-24 08:44:20 AM

kbronsito: It's fine if you don't want to drink because you never personally liked alcohol.


Pfft. You're the only one on the planet okay with that. Drinkers are by far the more annoying evangelists.

"You don't drink? You must be religious. Or an alcoholic. Or a snooty moralist. Are you sure you don't want a drink? Here, have a drink! You're just a lightweight! C'mon, have a drink. Jeez, something's wrong with that guy, he doesn't drink! Here, let me buy you a drink!"
 
2014-01-24 08:45:53 AM

mhd: kbronsito: But when the mythical founder of your religion has two defining events that revolve around making sure everyone had some wine, you can't farking tell me that you don't drink because your faith is against alcohol.

On the other hand, make sure that your young'ins don't see you naked after you passed out drunk.


shiat happens when you party naked
-Noah
 
2014-01-24 08:47:39 AM
Mark Twain penned a great book report on the book of mormon.

http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/mark-twains-review-book -m ormon
 
2014-01-24 08:49:23 AM
Right....because nobody drinks in Utah.

/although to be fair it isn't about stopping people from drinking or promoting healthy life choices it's about making sure that you know, that by taking a drink of alcohol, that you're a bad person.
 
2014-01-24 08:56:03 AM
You know who else is Mormon?
wpmedia.o.canada.com
 
2014-01-24 08:56:46 AM

nekom: Mark Twain penned a great book report on the book of mormon.

http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/mark-twains-review-book -m ormon


lol, awesome.
 
2014-01-24 09:01:25 AM
As a Utah farker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

There is some good news. We have a handful of large-ish, award-winning production breweries and they all have brewpubs, taprooms, growler fills, or sell directly at the brewery. We also have a great distillery in Park City.  The bad news is selection is terrible and there are not enough state liquors stores to make shopping convenient.

The societal culture supports a change in the laws to be less restrictive, but the religious culture rules all around here. If anyone seriously believes the Church doesn't heavily influence voting, they're kidding themselves.
 
2014-01-24 09:12:25 AM
it's gotta come out somewhere. You suppress caffeine, alcohol, any pleasurable substances, pornography, homosexuality, cursing, gender equality, etc, etc, etc.

You get a mess of human repression. For instance, the founder of Cleanflix was found to be fond of underage girls and a pervert. This should surprise nobody.
 
2014-01-24 09:15:04 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: kbronsito: It's fine if you don't want to drink because you never personally liked alcohol.

Pfft. You're the only one on the planet okay with that. Drinkers are by far the more annoying evangelists.

"You don't drink? You must be religious. Or an alcoholic. Or a snooty moralist. Are you sure you don't want a drink? Here, have a drink! You're just a lightweight! C'mon, have a drink. Jeez, something's wrong with that guy, he doesn't drink! Here, let me buy you a drink!"


You're right, that is annoying. I bet it wasn't that way during prohibition!
Hey wait a minute...
 
2014-01-24 09:17:16 AM

Astorix: For instance, the founder of Cleanflix was found to be fond of underage girls and a pervert.


Which pervert was the founder fond of?
 
2014-01-24 09:17:25 AM
Utah has some really nice ski resorts and a beautiful desert.  The rest of the state is a wasteland.
 
2014-01-24 09:22:02 AM
No farkers in UT?  Check my profile.


/love the SL,UT shot glass
 
2014-01-24 09:28:20 AM

Unobtanium: It has been awhile, but I went to SLC a few times on business trips before the Winter Olympics. I found two decent brewpubs and one even sold and filled growlers.


Any beer on tap here falls under the 3.2% abw law....."strong" beer must be sold in bottle form only. You have to plan your drinking here, which IIRC is one of the signs of being an alcoholic.....why are you making me an alcoholic utah?
 
2014-01-24 09:39:08 AM

EyeballKid: skozlaw: EyeballKid: ..."faith" that was come up by a con man...

As opposed to faith that was created by an honest individual who provided considerable data that was able to sway adherents by reason?


True that, but nonetheless there is a notable difference. I can say that any other faith is just as half-assed and convoluted in its mythmaking as the LDS, but that's the only one, other than Scientology, where there are actual records of the founder -- an actual criminal record! -- upon which you can make assessments and such. It's not like we have a record of some fat kid named Siddartha claiming his attempts to reach oneness kept him from going to work or paying child support or the like. The older faiths have, at least, some sort of vagueness and lack of a central figure who actually propagated said faith. This is not the case with Scientology or Mormonism. And I can't help but find that kind of faith especially stupid.


Regarding your HE WAS CONVICTED DONT BELIEVE!!!

1. He was tried many times on many things that people who didn't like him made up. Haters gonna hate I suppose, but simply because your society dislikes you doesn't mean that it should be proof that you were wrong. I can think of many famous historical figures who were tried on trumped up charges.

2. There were only two things, it is said, that he was actually "convicted of".

a. Glass Looking/money digger - he was tried many times for this and found not guilty, because the charges were trumped up. The only time they got a conviction on this for him was when he said that he divined who what and where money was stolen from the plaintiff 16yrs earlier and the plaintiff said it was a true divination. Therefore the court convicted him. By today's standard the whole thing would have been thrown entirely as wasting the courts time. Truly, as you say, a convicted con man! -.-

2. Bank Fraud - in US history at that time, banks would issue and back their own currency. Not being able to secure a bank charter from Ohio legislature (speculation abounds on both sides as to why), they set up a Quasi bank, that required no bank charter which was a common practice for those who wanted to have bank like services in their community.

Many Banks failed in the economic panic of 1837, this "bank" in Kirtland was no acception. Investors got angry and four sued for restitution claiming illegal bank status. Oddly enough, those who were in charge of the bank had charges dropped by the plaintiffs but decided to continue to press charges against the cashier, Joseph Smith, they said he promised the bank was divined by God there was no evidence of this. Please please don't tell me he was running the banksmart enough to run a bank he only had a second grade education, anyone talking to him was able to quickly discern that fact and would not have invested in a bank if HE was the one running it.

3. If you consider yourself Christian and discount Joseph Smith outright because of these court proceedings then you are a hypocrit. Moses murdered an Egyptian as is said in Exodus, so by your logic he is a false prophet and should be ignored and derided.
 
2014-01-24 09:39:23 AM

kbronsito: mhd: kbronsito: But when the mythical founder of your religion has two defining events that revolve around making sure everyone had some wine, you can't farking tell me that you don't drink because your faith is against alcohol.

On the other hand, make sure that your young'ins don't see you naked after you passed out drunk.

shiat happens when you party naked
-Noah



"You said it, brah!"
-- Lot
 
2014-01-24 09:42:51 AM

1nsanilicious: Moses murdered an Egyptian as is said in Exodus, so by your logic he is a false prophet and should be ignored and derided.



So far as we know, Joseph Smith actually existed.
Based on the evidence, Moses is a fictional character.

This doesn't make either of their associated faiths any more authentic or believable, it just makes Moses harder to try and convict.
 
2014-01-24 09:47:09 AM
Ah Mormons, today's version of the Puritans.
 
2014-01-24 09:48:54 AM

no 5th av. in Billings: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

Isn't it a little early to be drinking?




I'm sitting in SLC as we speak. I sit down for an eggs benny and a bloody and guess what? No booze in the airport until 8am (11am for the rest of the state). Seriously Fark this place. I've been working in the northern suburbs of Salt Lake for a few months. The flight home for the weekend is the only highlight of being here. Bars sucks, 3.2% beer on draft only! 3 beers in an hour in restaurants and only 1 per hour after that. Newer restaurants suck since sitting in the bar is boring as hell. Bartenders make drinks/pour behind the Zion's curtain. Fark this ghey ass place.

/Park City is ok though
//went to two movies at Sundance this week
 
2014-01-24 09:52:53 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: no 5th av. in Billings: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

Isn't it a little early to be drinking?

I'm sitting in SLC as we speak. I sit down for an eggs benny and a bloody and guess what? No booze in the airport until 8am (11am for the rest of the state). Seriously Fark this place. I've been working in the northern suburbs of Salt Lake for a few months. The flight home for the weekend is the only highlight of being here. Bars sucks, 3.2% beer on draft only! 3 beers in an hour in restaurants and only 1 per hour after that. Newer restaurants suck since sitting in the bar is boring as hell. Bartenders make drinks/pour behind the Zion's curtain. Fark this ghey ass place.

/Park City is ok though
//went to two movies at Sundance this week


Northern suburbs like North Salt Lake or like Centerville/Layton? If you're actually in North Salt Lake City, get down to The Beerhive or The Bayou. You'll find plenty of good beers available (in bottle) that you can't get anywhere else in the state.
 
2014-01-24 09:53:26 AM

mekkab: No farkers in UT?  Check my profile.


/love the SL,UT shot glass


Me also. And yeah, it is possible to drink here. Hell, I know people coming from the beer snob capital of Bend, OR, and wrinkle their mouths while swilling down some microbrew and mutter "huh....not too bad I guess".
 
2014-01-24 09:56:26 AM

1nsanilicious: 1. Everyone has the right to voice an opinion. Even those who belong to a church.
2. Everyone has the right to vote, even those who are religious.
3. The Mormon church does not threaten politicians to vote a certain way. Harry Reid is a Mormon, you would think that he would have been drummed out of the LDS church by your strict-cult based insinuations.
4. Kuddos to Utah for voting for things that are clean and good for the overall public.


Pull the special underwear out of your ass and chill out.  Not everyone on the internet, or even in real life, needs to like or agree with your religion.

And the issue isn't whether or not religious people can vote, the issue is really is whether or not religious people should be able to impose their beliefs and practices on other people.  Obviously, you think you should, but many of us disagree.  Good for you that you all don't drink and abstain from consuming other chemicals/hot drinks--I'm sure that's a positive for your community.  But I, and many other people, believe that other people, who don't practice your religion, shouldn't be legally forced to follow its rules.

Do you see how that works?  I mean this as a legitimate question, because a lot of religious adherents don't seem to understand.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink coffee.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd also like to be gay and get married.  And I think that I should be allowed to do those things, because one religion's rules shouldn't get preferential treatment under the law.  That's really what we're talking about here, and the very public attempts to legislate other people's behaviors based on your religion is why a lot of people don't like your religion very much these days.

You're free to follow your religion's rules.  I should be free to follow my own religion's (or lack thereof) rules.  This is America, and that's how it should be.  Because let's face it--without the baked-in religious freedom of this country's founding, you guys never would have made it to being the established, organized, and influential body that you are today.  So respect the laws that helped you, and extend that courtesy to others.
 
2014-01-24 10:04:09 AM

Cheron: Just because you don't drink does mean you can't have fun.  You can always spy on your roommate and narc him out if he slips


I just watched the video you linked and I have to say...
...keeping in mind that I am a super mega butch lesbian, who is married to another woman, and who until recently lived in Berkeley, and one of my very good friends is a man who cruises grindr and has the hook from Brittany Spear's "Toxic" as his ringtone...
...that is one of the gayest things I have ever seen.

/It's just a mormon student video about ratting on your friends when they fall off the morality wagon because "you don't leave a fellow soldier behind in the morality war."
//Worth a watch, pretty entertaining.  Completely SFW.
///Shockingly high production values for what it is.
 
2014-01-24 10:06:25 AM
making beer right here in park city ;-)
 
2014-01-24 10:15:04 AM
I am headed to Moab in late Feb for some mt biking. Plan to bring beer with me.
 
2014-01-24 10:15:11 AM

ckccfa: 1nsanilicious: 1. Everyone has the right to voice an opinion. Even those who belong to a church.
2. Everyone has the right to vote, even those who are religious.
3. The Mormon church does not threaten politicians to vote a certain way. Harry Reid is a Mormon, you would think that he would have been drummed out of the LDS church by your strict-cult based insinuations.
4. Kuddos to Utah for voting for things that are clean and good for the overall public.

Pull the special underwear out of your ass and chill out.  Not everyone on the internet, or even in real life, needs to like or agree with your religion.

And the issue isn't whether or not religious people can vote, the issue is really is whether or not religious people should be able to impose their beliefs and practices on other people.  Obviously, you think you should, but many of us disagree.  Good for you that you all don't drink and abstain from consuming other chemicals/hot drinks--I'm sure that's a positive for your community.  But I, and many other people, believe that other people, who don't practice your religion, shouldn't be legally forced to follow its rules.

Do you see how that works?  I mean this as a legitimate question, because a lot of religious adherents don't seem to understand.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd like to drink coffee.  I'm not a Mormon, so I'd also like to be gay and get married.  And I think that I should be allowed to do those things, because one religion's rules shouldn't get preferential treatment under the law.  That's really what we're talking about here, and the very public attempts to legislate other people's behaviors based on your religion is why a lot of people don't like your religion very much these days.

You're free to follow your religion's rules.  I should be free to follow my own religion's (or lack thereof) rules.  This is America, and that's how it should be.  Because let's face it--without the baked-in religious freedom of t ...


You're talking to a Mormon troll who has in the past has defended Mormons murdering people, molesting kids, abandoning children, and any other thing any Mormon has done anywhere.   There's a good possibility he's not even Mormon and just a dick.
 
2014-01-24 10:23:13 AM

cr7pilot: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: no 5th av. in Billings: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

Isn't it a little early to be drinking?

I'm sitting in SLC as we speak. I sit down for an eggs benny and a bloody and guess what? No booze in the airport until 8am (11am for the rest of the state). Seriously Fark this place. I've been working in the northern suburbs of Salt Lake for a few months. The flight home for the weekend is the only highlight of being here. Bars sucks, 3.2% beer on draft only! 3 beers in an hour in restaurants and only 1 per hour after that. Newer restaurants suck since sitting in the bar is boring as hell. Bartenders make drinks/pour behind the Zion's curtain. Fark this ghey ass place.

/Park City is ok though
//went to two movies at Sundance this week

Northern suburbs like North Salt Lake or like Centerville/Layton? If you're actually in North Salt Lake City, get down to The Beerhive or The Bayou. You'll find plenty of good beers available (in bottle) that you can't get anywhere else in the state.


My current client is in Roy, and I work from home (WA State) half the time and on site half the time.  My hotel is in Layton.  It's not as easy as back home to stock up but they do have state liquor stores, and last Sunday I needed beer to go with the wings for the NFC game (go Hawks) and walked down the street to a brewpub to get a growler filled.  There are barriers, true, but if you really gotta enjoy (and who doesn't now and then?) it's not impossible.
 
2014-01-24 10:23:24 AM
www.sltrib.com
 
2014-01-24 10:23:47 AM
Utah.

#1 in porn subscriptions
#1 in prescription drug abuse
#1 in hypocrisy

Congratulations.
 
2014-01-24 10:25:56 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: no 5th av. in Billings: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

Isn't it a little early to be drinking?

I'm sitting in SLC as we speak. I sit down for an eggs benny and a bloody and guess what? No booze in the airport until 8am (11am for the rest of the state). Seriously Fark this place. I've been working in the northern suburbs of Salt Lake for a few months. The flight home for the weekend is the only highlight of being here. Bars sucks, 3.2% beer on draft only! 3 beers in an hour in restaurants and only 1 per hour after that. Newer restaurants suck since sitting in the bar is boring as hell. Bartenders make drinks/pour behind the Zion's curtain. Fark this ghey ass place.

/Park City is ok though
//went to two movies at Sundance this week


Moab was cool, otherwise I have no use for UT. It was a letdown seeing this everywhere:
ICE COLD BEER 3.2%
 
2014-01-24 10:27:16 AM

Satanic_Hamster: You're talking to a Mormon troll who has in the past has defended Mormons murdering people, molesting kids, abandoning children, and any other thing any Mormon has done anywhere.   There's a good possibility he's not even Mormon and just a dick.


I know, I'm just bored this morning, and I've been trying to wean myself off my rage addiction by avoiding the politics tab.


/One day at a time
 
2014-01-24 10:33:26 AM

monoski: I am headed to Moab in late Feb for some mt biking. Plan to bring beer with me.


If you are not already aware, and I'm sure farkers will disagree, Moab in February is not conducive to beer drinking weather.
 
2014-01-24 10:41:38 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-24 11:21:45 AM
As a double bock, it's pretty crappy, but as an ex-Mormon, I love the artwork.

www.beertripper.com
 
msP
2014-01-24 11:30:02 AM

ChubbyTiger: It's their state, they can do what they want with it. You don't have to live there.

/no, I do not extend that theory to every issue


That's true, but some of the best skiing in this country is in Utah, and I'll spare you the reasons why, but it's the only place my family skiis. It's a huge pain in the ass that we have to rush straight from the airport to the liquor store when we get there because they close at like 5pm and aren't open on Sundays (we usually get there on Saturday).

I remember when we used to go (I guess before 2009 based on what the article said) when restaurants had to sell you a "membership" so you could drink there. If the alcohol flowed freely, I'm sure people in those areas would make a shiat ton more money. 

It comes down to the fact that consuming (or not consuming) alcohol is a personal choice and should not be left to the state to decide if consenting adults can or can't get access to it. (I also think the 21 age restriction in the US is ludicrous as well).
 
2014-01-24 11:35:29 AM

1nsanilicious: Kuddos to Utah for voting for things that are clean and good for the overall public.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
2014-01-24 11:36:39 AM

skozlaw: EyeballKid: ..."faith" that was come up by a con man...

As opposed to faith that was created by an honest individual who provided considerable data that was able to sway adherents by reason?


If it is knowable, if you can show it to other people and prove it, it's no longer faith. Faith is not needed for what you know to be true and can prove. That's called knowledge.
 
2014-01-24 11:38:22 AM

Lochsteppe: The problem with people who deliberately avoid drinking for moral or religious reasons is that they ascribe nearly magical and illogical properties to alcohol - I saw this happen in Utah quite a bit when I lived there.  If you've had a single beer, you're unfit to drive six hours later, for example.  If you taste alcohol, you'll become addicted to it.  That sort of thing.  It makes their moral argument hard to listen to, kind of like their moral argument on sexual abstinence; they might both originate from a legitimate concern for their fellows' spiritual health, but somewhere along the way they've created a bizarre and logic-free anti-fetish that does a lot more harm than good.


Extend this thought to anybody who does anything for religious reasons. Oh, you can't think for yourself why you should or shouldn't do 'x'? That's a bizarre way of going about life, and please don't try to drag me into it.
 
2014-01-24 11:38:26 AM

nekom: Mark Twain penned a great book report on the book of mormon.

http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/mark-twains-review-book -m ormon


That was awesome.  If there was one figure from history I could sit down with for a pint and a smoke, it would be Samuel Clemens.
 
2014-01-24 12:05:58 PM

praxcelis: cr7pilot: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: no 5th av. in Billings: Weaver95: Any religion that says rum and coffee is a sin is a dangerous cult that should be avoided at all costs.

Northern suburbs like North Salt Lake or like Centerville/Layton? If you're actually in North Salt Lake City, get down to The Beerhive or The Bayou. You'll find plenty of good beers available (in bottle) that you can't get anywhere else in the state.

My current client is in Roy, and I work from home (WA State) half the time and on site half the time.  My hotel is in Layton.  It's not as easy as back home to stock up but they do have state liquor stores, and last Sunday I needed beer to go with the wings for the NFC game (go Hawks) and walked down the street to a brewpub to get a growler filled.  There are barriers, true, but if you really gotta enjoy (and who doesn't now and then?) it's not impossible.


Well, too bad about Roy. Layton's OK, I suppose, though I try to never go north of downtown if I can help it. Glad you were able to find something to drink at least.
 
2014-01-24 12:09:42 PM

BunkyBrewman: Utah.

#1 in porn subscriptions
#1 in prescription drug abuse
#1 in hypocrisy

Congratulations.


Also #1 in child sex abuse
 
2014-01-24 12:18:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Lochsteppe: The problem with people who deliberately avoid drinking for moral or religious reasons is that they ascribe nearly magical and illogical properties to alcohol - I saw this happen in Utah quite a bit when I lived there.  If you've had a single beer, you're unfit to drive six hours later, for example.  If you taste alcohol, you'll become addicted to it.  That sort of thing.  It makes their moral argument hard to listen to, kind of like their moral argument on sexual abstinence; they might both originate from a legitimate concern for their fellows' spiritual health, but somewhere along the way they've created a bizarre and logic-free anti-fetish that does a lot more harm than good.

Extend this thought to anybody who does anything for religious reasons. Oh, you can't think for yourself why you should or shouldn't do 'x'? That's a bizarre way of going about life, and please don't try to drag me into it.


so when churches or religious people do charity......?

People, not just religious people, have a lot of preferences that they would like to force on others(political alignment, choice of entertainment, etc) and sometimes they have very good reasons for those preferences but most of the time they aren't based on logic or rationality. Lochsteppe's explanation can be used to explain "atheists" like Richard Dawkins as easily as Mormons who oppose alcohol.
 
2014-01-24 12:25:09 PM
What kind of alcohol drinker moves to Utah anyway.

It's no secret that Utah has crazy alcohol restrictions.
 
2014-01-24 12:43:23 PM
Just wondering why this is news in Australia?
 
2014-01-24 12:46:40 PM

StrikitRich: Just wondering why this is news in Australia?


That's upside down thinking right there.
 
2014-01-24 01:08:42 PM

cr7pilot: As a Utah farker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

There is some good news. We have a handful of large-ish, award-winning production breweries and they all have brewpubs, taprooms, growler fills, or sell directly at the brewery. We also have a great distillery in Park City.  The bad news is selection is terrible and there are not enough state liquors stores to make shopping convenient.

The societal culture supports a change in the laws to be less restrictive, but the religious culture rules all around here. If anyone seriously believes the Church doesn't heavily influence voting, they're kidding themselves.


as a fellow Utah Farker, albiet a transplant, THIS
//non-drinker, not LDS, and STILL think the Alcohol laws in this state are absurd
 
2014-01-24 01:10:30 PM
Driving through Utah is actual hell.

Took a trip west from the east coast to handle some beeswax, and picked up my sister in LV, and went through Utah before touching the golden coast.

Hours of nothing, exit after exit with no amenities. Hope to God you don't break down, because it would be emprahknows how long before you could get help, if you could even get a signal.

And utah mormons are superior to any other mormons, they will be sure to let you know your place.
 
2014-01-24 01:20:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: If it is knowable, if you can show it to other people and prove it, it's no longer faith. Faith is not needed for what you know to be true and can prove. That's called knowledge.


Uh... yea.... that was kind of the point.
 
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