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2014-01-24 05:43:49 AM  
...or how to get a 2nd ring.

I can't see whatever he has to say about the stadium's little quirks making much of a difference, but when you are in the Super Bowl you do anything you can to win one more time.

/Hope it's a close game
 
2014-01-24 05:45:10 AM  
How is it asinine that Eli knows how the wind his stadium works?
 
2014-01-24 06:04:06 AM  
+1 for Subby.
 
2014-01-24 06:20:56 AM  
They should get their kickers to talk. That would probably be more beneficial. It's not like manning is constantly unleashing the dragon.
 
2014-01-24 06:30:30 AM  
I'm betting on 2or3 ints...if one was to build a team specifically to shut down a team like the Broncos, it would be built like the Seahawks. Big corners, and good ones 4 deep (unlike the Pats who only had 1or2, and their best got hurt early)...good pass rush to get in a non-mobile QB's face...and an offense that can run the ball and burn clock and keep Peyton off the field while resting said defense(not to mention that 3 of 4 times the #1 defense met the #1 offense in the SB the team with the #1 defense won). Admittedly I'm a Hawks fan, but in this case my brain agrees with my heart.
 
2014-01-24 06:39:12 AM  
His advise was simple, "Don't throw it anywhere near Richard Sherman."
 
2014-01-24 08:28:34 AM  
Advice about the quirks, but he wants to keep them secret from Wilson?  Uhhh, Eli, Russell Wilson played there, like, a month ago.
 
2014-01-24 08:34:00 AM  
Peyton probably just nods his head and goes back to prepping like he always does.

/Should be a good game
//Go Hawks!
///But you must respect Peyton.
 
2014-01-24 08:53:08 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Peyton probably just nods his head and goes back to prepping like he always does.

/Should be a good game
//Go Hawks!
///But you must respect Peyton.


And demarius...and welker...and decker...and orange Julius...

Damn it's gonna be good
 
2014-01-24 09:21:58 AM  

alotta fagina: I'm betting on 2or3 ints...if one was to build a team specifically to shut down a team like the Broncos, it would be built like the Seahawks. Big corners, and good ones 4 deep (unlike the Pats who only had 1or2, and their best got hurt early)...good pass rush to get in a non-mobile QB's face...and an offense that can run the ball and burn clock and keep Peyton off the field while resting said defense(not to mention that 3 of 4 times the #1 defense met the #1 offense in the SB the team with the #1 defense won). Admittedly I'm a Hawks fan, but in this case my brain agrees with my heart.


The Seahawks pass rush isn't that much better than the Patriots' and we saw hoq that worked out. Manning walked off the field with a clean jersey. If you want to beat Manning, you attack him, not his receivers. He'll find the gap between his receivers and the DBs if you don't do that. I don't see Seattle being able to do that.
 
2014-01-24 09:45:16 AM  

alotta fagina: I'm betting on 2or3 ints...if one was to build a team specifically to shut down a team like the Broncos, it would be built like the Seahawks. Big corners, and good ones 4 deep (unlike the Pats who only had 1or2, and their best got hurt early)...good pass rush to get in a non-mobile QB's face...and an offense that can run the ball and burn clock and keep Peyton off the field while resting said defense(not to mention that 3 of 4 times the #1 defense met the #1 offense in the SB the team with the #1 defense won). Admittedly I'm a Hawks fan, but in this case my brain agrees with my heart.


Difficulty: Peyton gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds. Can the Seahawks get to him in that time? Also, if you'll recall Peyton is surprisingly mobile. He simply chooses not to run. I seem to recall a rushing TD against somebody this season.
 
2014-01-24 09:52:56 AM  

RINO: Difficulty: Peyton gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds. Can the Seahawks get to him in that time? Also, if you'll recall Peyton is surprisingly mobile. He simply chooses not to run. I seem to recall a rushing TD against somebody this season.


What? The naked bootleg he ran for that TD ONLY WORKED because he throws it damn near 100% of the time. It's not like he made an amazing 78 yard run, juking 3 defenders on the way- he walked in untouched because nobody was near him.

He is the antithesis of the mobile QB- he's a honed pocket passer who knows that one step 6 inches into a pass rusher's instep means they'll probably fly right by him, grabbing air when they're trying for his jersey. Look at him avoiding sacks- he rarely takes more than a few steps- it's kinda like judo, using the opponent's physics against him.
 
2014-01-24 09:57:07 AM  

grinding_journalist: RINO: Difficulty: Peyton gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds. Can the Seahawks get to him in that time? Also, if you'll recall Peyton is surprisingly mobile. He simply chooses not to run. I seem to recall a rushing TD against somebody this season.

What? The naked bootleg he ran for that TD ONLY WORKED because he throws it damn near 100% of the time. It's not like he made an amazing 78 yard run, juking 3 defenders on the way- he walked in untouched because nobody was near him.

He is the antithesis of the mobile QB- he's a honed pocket passer who knows that one step 6 inches into a pass rusher's instep means they'll probably fly right by him, grabbing air when they're trying for his jersey. Look at him avoiding sacks- he rarely takes more than a few steps- it's kinda like judo, using the opponent's physics against him.


NOPE. "Deceptively elusive"

/probably helps that 1 out if every three plays is a check down draw to Moreno who is having a contract year before FA. Nope. Not suspicious at all
 
2014-01-24 10:03:58 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Advice about the quirks, but he wants to keep them secret from Wilson?  Uhhh, Eli, Russell Wilson played there, like, a month ago.


yeah, was going to say... they just played there

grinding_journalist: RINO: Difficulty: Peyton gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds. Can the Seahawks get to him in that time? Also, if you'll recall Peyton is surprisingly mobile. He simply chooses not to run. I seem to recall a rushing TD against somebody this season.

What? The naked bootleg he ran for that TD ONLY WORKED because he throws it damn near 100% of the time. It's not like he made an amazing 78 yard run, juking 3 defenders on the way- he walked in untouched because nobody was near him.

He is the antithesis of the mobile QB- he's a honed pocket passer who knows that one step 6 inches into a pass rusher's instep means they'll probably fly right by him, grabbing air when they're trying for his jersey. Look at him avoiding sacks- he rarely takes more than a few steps- it's kinda like judo, using the opponent's physics against him.


so basically he's an experienced pocket passer
 
2014-01-24 10:07:15 AM  

alotta fagina: I'm betting on 2or3 ints...if one was to build a team specifically to shut down a team like the Broncos, it would be built like the Seahawks. Big corners, and good ones 4 deep (unlike the Pats who only had 1or2, and their best got hurt early)...good pass rush to get in a non-mobile QB's face...and an offense that can run the ball and burn clock and keep Peyton off the field while resting said defense(not to mention that 3 of 4 times the #1 defense met the #1 offense in the SB the team with the #1 defense won). Admittedly I'm a Hawks fan, but in this case my brain agrees with my heart.


That SB record would be 2 - 2 if Norwood had made that damned kick. The offense did its job...
 
2014-01-24 10:30:47 AM  

AdamK: so basically he's an experienced pocket passer


Yes, exactly. What he isn't is a "mobile qb". My point was calling him "suprisingly mobile" is at best situationally correct and referencing a play where a lineman could have walked it in doesn't prove a point.
 
2014-01-24 10:34:40 AM  

grinding_journalist: AdamK: so basically he's an experienced pocket passer

Yes, exactly. What he isn't is a "mobile qb". My point was calling him "suprisingly mobile" is at best situationally correct and referencing a play where a lineman could have walked it in doesn't prove a point.


that play fake was so bad, a man with no arms & legs could've walked it in
 
2014-01-24 11:18:17 AM  

Nadie_AZ: That SB record would be 2 - 2 if Norwood had made that damned kick. The offense did its job...


Buffalo had the ball once with a 10-3 lead and twice with a 12-3 lead in the 2nd quarter, got nothing.  They had the ball twice in the 4th quarter down 20-19, and the best they could do was a desperation drive leading to a FG attempt that wasn't likely to be made.

Their offense was held in check, though I'd say that Peyton is probably a little smarter than Jim Kelly, who for some reason only handed the ball to Thurman Thomas 15 times despite the fact that the Giants were playing a 2-man line.
 
2014-01-24 11:43:28 AM  

flak attack: The Seahawks pass rush isn't that much better than the Patriots


Eh?
 
2014-01-24 12:04:29 PM  

flak attack: The Seahawks pass rush isn't that much better than the Patriots' and we saw hoq that worked out. Manning walked off the field with a clean jersey.


The Broncos didn't really do anything until Talib got injured...Talib, who would be the 4th-best Seattle DB?

/the key is both units working well together - they may have equivalent lines, but because the Seattle secondary is much, much better, that makes the line far more likely to come up with a big play.
 
2014-01-24 12:10:38 PM  

IAmRight: flak attack: The Seahawks pass rush isn't that much better than the Patriots' and we saw hoq that worked out. Manning walked off the field with a clean jersey.

The Broncos didn't really do anything until Talib got injured...Talib, who would be the 4th-best Seattle DB?

/the key is both units working well together - they may have equivalent lines, but because the Seattle secondary is much, much better, that makes the line far more likely to come up with a big play.


Who covered Jimmy Graham in the divisional round? Was he double-teamed?

I ask because Talib went one-on-one with Graham this year indoors and he didn't catch a single damn ball.
 
2014-01-24 12:28:52 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Who covered Jimmy Graham in the divisional round? Was he double-teamed?

I ask because Talib went one-on-one with Graham this year indoors and he didn't catch a single damn ball.


Graham had a good number of Seahawks on him.  Some plays, where Seattle was pretty sure it was going to be a pass, they tried to get Sherman on him.  Other times, they lined him against Byron Maxwell, and sometimes he had Kam Chancellor roaming around him.  I think I saw Malcom Smith get it on it a few times, too.
 
2014-01-24 12:28:58 PM  

neuroflare: How is it asinine that Eli knows how the wind his stadium works?


Weren't the Giants better on the road those two years anyway?

If anything, Eli should teach Peyton how to muster flukey successful passes in key playoff situations that he can't seem to reproduce in most games, because he's a mediocre QB otherwise.

/yes, sour grapes
 
2014-01-24 12:29:02 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Who covered Jimmy Graham in the divisional round? Was he double-teamed?


Eh, we covered him with a LB in the first game; he had 3/42 with a 2-yard TD (20 of those yards came on a catch in the 4th quarter with the Seahawks up 34-7, so it's not like it was regular defense.

He did catch exactly a single ball in the playoff game, though. And no, we don't double-team anyone.
 
2014-01-24 12:29:46 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: neuroflare: How is it asinine that Eli knows how the wind his stadium works?

Weren't the Giants better on the road those two years anyway?

If anything, Eli should teach Peyton how to muster flukey successful passes in key playoff situations that he can't seem to reproduce in most games, because he's a mediocre QB otherwise.

/yes, sour grapes


(by "mediocre QB" I mean Eli, not Peyton)
 
2014-01-24 12:29:50 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Graham had a good number of Seahawks on him.  Some plays, where Seattle was pretty sure it was going to be a pass, they tried to get Sherman on him.  Other times, they lined him against Byron Maxwell, and sometimes he had Kam Chancellor roaming around him.  I think I saw Malcom Smith get it on it a few times, too.


That's only because Wright was out. Wright basically shut him down in the first game by himself.
 
2014-01-24 12:32:21 PM  
If you'd like to see who we're weak against, check out the DVOA page:

vs. No. 1 WRs: 5th in the league
vs. No. 2 WRs: 7th in the league
vs. Other WRs: 2nd in the league
vs. TEs: 3rd in the league
vs. RBs: 2nd in the league
 
2014-01-24 12:49:14 PM  
Oh, and neither Wilson nor Peyton seemed to have much problem in Giants stadium this year.
 
2014-01-24 01:34:03 PM  

IAmRight: Oh, and neither Wilson nor Peyton seemed to have much problem in Giants stadium this year.


This is all just typical too much time before the super bowl so we have to talk about something horseshiat. One of these teams is going to win and it will probably be whoever plays the best / makes the most big plays. That's not good enough - we all have to make our predictions or try to assign reasons beforehand so we can then selectively interpret the data and confirm our own biases and claim we were right and that we knew what would happen despite the very idea being absurd.

There is one first for me this year - I do not recall previously hearing 'they didn't play anyone' for one of the super bowl teams, so that's sort of new. It's farking CRAZY of course but it feels fresh . To me anyway.
 
2014-01-24 02:07:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: There is one first for me this year - I do not recall previously hearing 'they didn't play anyone' for one of the super bowl teams,


It's been said before - I remember people saying it about the Patriots in 2011, IIRC.

/and let's be real - they haven't. Even in the playoffs, San Diego's a mediocre team (see their record) and the Patriots were a shell of a team, especially after losing Talib, too.
//play the 31st-ranked schedule and people will say that about you
///only wins of significance during the regular season were over a team playing the 32nd-ranked schedule
 
2014-01-24 02:53:51 PM  

IAmRight: and let's be real - they haven't.


Well then, it should be a cakewalk for the seahawks.

PS: I think it's kind of funny you wouldn't even officially claim the hawks not all that long ago now you're all 'we' this and 'we' that up in here. I am happy you are enjoying this wonderful season.
 
2014-01-24 03:02:27 PM  

JohnBigBootay: PS: I think it's kind of funny you wouldn't even officially claim the hawks not all that long ago now you're all 'we' this and 'we' that up in here. I am happy you are enjoying this wonderful season.


Hey I finally actually went to a (non-preseason) game! Drove nine hours round-trip for a stay that was in the 24-hour range.

Also, I didn't say it'd be a cakewalk - after all, FSU didn't play anyone all year and eked out a win over Auburn, who played a much better schedule. Which worries me because it reminds me of the year Manning won, how there were some similarities between the BCS game and the Super Bowl (OSU ran back the opening kickoff for a score then got beat down; Hester ran back the opening kickoff against the Colts and then the Bears got a beat down). Hell, the year before I got killed by a $500 bet on USC over Texas then got killed for $350 by Pittsburgh covering -4 over Seattle.

/and I'm mostly just getting lazy with writing - f*ck preciseness when I've got a bunch of sh*t to say
//with the amount of time I spend defending them, I might as well be part of the team, too. =D
///fully admit to being a bandwagoner - why invest a ton of effort, time, and emotion in rooting for a sh*tty team?
 
2014-01-24 03:28:22 PM  

IAmRight: JohnBigBootay: PS: I think it's kind of funny you wouldn't even officially claim the hawks not all that long ago now you're all 'we' this and 'we' that up in here. I am happy you are enjoying this wonderful season.

Hey I finally actually went to a (non-preseason) game! Drove nine hours round-trip for a stay that was in the 24-hour range.

Also, I didn't say it'd be a cakewalk - after all, FSU didn't play anyone all year and eked out a win over Auburn, who played a much better schedule. Which worries me because it reminds me of the year Manning won, how there were some similarities between the BCS game and the Super Bowl (OSU ran back the opening kickoff for a score then got beat down; Hester ran back the opening kickoff against the Colts and then the Bears got a beat down). Hell, the year before I got killed by a $500 bet on USC over Texas then got killed for $350 by Pittsburgh covering -4 over Seattle.

/and I'm mostly just getting lazy with writing - f*ck preciseness when I've got a bunch of sh*t to say
//with the amount of time I spend defending them, I might as well be part of the team, too. =D
///fully admit to being a bandwagoner - why invest a ton of effort, time, and emotion in rooting for a sh*tty team?


eh, what about the year Peyton lost the super bowl? the BCS National Championship was between Texas and Alabama, and that game had 0 resemblance to the super bowl
 
2014-01-24 03:41:01 PM  

AdamK: eh, what about the year Peyton lost the super bowl? the BCS National Championship was between Texas and Alabama, and that game had 0 resemblance to the super bowl


I didn't watch the BCS title game that year. The ones I cited were the last couple I actually gave a crap about. When it all became about the SEC I stopped caring.
 
2014-01-24 04:24:23 PM  

IAmRight: ///fully admit to being a bandwagoner - why invest a ton of effort, time, and emotion in rooting for a sh*tty team?


Heh. I question that myself these days. But I'm over forty years in so not much I can do about it - lighting would strike if I switched teams now.
 
2014-01-24 05:16:16 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Heh. I question that myself these days. But I'm over forty years in so not much I can do about it - lighting would strike if I switched teams now.


Also, it's pretty tough to blame someone for being a bandwagoner when they lived near LA and started getting into football when the Raiders and Rams moved away and lived in WA when OKC took the Sonics.

/and the two sports they like most are football and basketball - tough to be hardcore when you know it can all go away and not have anything to do with a lack of fan support
 
2014-01-24 05:21:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: IAmRight: ///fully admit to being a bandwagoner - why invest a ton of effort, time, and emotion in rooting for a sh*tty team?

Heh. I question that myself these days. But I'm over forty years in so not much I can do about it - lighting would strike if I switched teams now.


There's something to be said about following the same team.  I used to have Curt Warner and Steve Largent posters on my wall when I was a kid, and I have enjoyed watching the ebb and flow of the team (well, enjoyed mostly the highlights) and all of the personalities that have arrived in the late 90s/2000s: Walter Jones, Tez, Hass, Alexander, and, of course, this new group, which is easily the best team Seattle has ever fielded.  It's been fun.

\except for Jim Mora
\\I prefer to wipe him from memory
 
2014-01-24 05:55:08 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's something to be said about following the same team.


Oh I couldn't agree more. I grew up on my dad's knee rooting for the steelers when they first got good in the early-mid 70's. I still fondly remember that faint whiff of vodka and my dad, jaw clenched and cursing, exhorting the other team to 'take it all the way' when Bradshaw threw an interception because they should have been running the ball instead of throwing. Sometimes he would say "Goddammit Bradshaw!" and STILL have his jaw clenched after they scored. He was an old-fashioned guy my dad. Never put too much stock in the passing game.
 
2014-01-24 06:48:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There's something to be said about following the same team.

Oh I couldn't agree more. I grew up on my dad's knee rooting for the steelers when they first got good in the early-mid 70's. I still fondly remember that faint whiff of vodka and my dad, jaw clenched and cursing, exhorting the other team to 'take it all the way' when Bradshaw threw an interception because they should have been running the ball instead of throwing. Sometimes he would say "Goddammit Bradshaw!" and STILL have his jaw clenched after they scored. He was an old-fashioned guy my dad. Never put too much stock in the passing game.


Oddly, I didn't follow my father's team.  I started off as a very small child interested in the Bears, but somehow enjoyed the Seahawks.  I think it was mostly Steve Largent, but I don't know.

My father loves the Falcons.  His story is far more interesting: he was being shipped home from his stay as a Army medic in New York.  The flight was a layover, so he sat and watched a game between the Falcons and the Giants.  The guy next to him was a big Giants fan.  My father, always a keen eye for a quick buck, bet the guy fifty bucks that the expansion Falcons would win.  They did.  He's loved them ever since.

\although Mike Vick made him reconsider
 
2014-01-24 07:33:36 PM  

IAmRight: Which worries me because it reminds me of the year Manning won, how there were some similarities between the BCS game and the Super Bowl


Since we're citing historical precedence here, I'll pass along this interesting tidbit that I just read:  The Seahawks have no players on their team that have any Super Bowl experience.  This is the first time a team without any prior SB experience will play in the game since 1991.  The bad news for seahawks fans is that team was the Bills.

/ but I personally don't put much faith in precedence
// not after 18-1
 
2014-01-24 08:23:10 PM  
It's about time Best Manning did his part to help Peyton catch up.
 
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