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(National Journal)   Netflix to ISPs- "Come at me Bro"   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 50
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2014-01-23 07:46:13 PM
Doesn't Netflix have, like, $10 billion in debt? They better be careful. Those cable boys have a metric sh*t ton of cash to fight them with.

You spend a $1 million, they spend $100 million. Good luck.
 
2014-01-23 08:14:14 PM
Cablecos and telcos(Uverse and FIOS) should just make a Netflix app to use on their STB's and only let people on higher tiers access it They won't lose any money or customers plus it won't go against your cap(well with Uverse since it's coming through your STB anyway)
 
2014-01-23 08:15:54 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Cablecos and telcos(Uverse and FIOS) should just make a Netflix app to use on their STB's and only let people on higher tiers access it. They won't lose any money or customers plus it won't go against your cap(well with Uverse since it's coming through your STB anyway)

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Fixed
 
2014-01-23 08:17:01 PM
I think the Netflix people are once again grossly overestimating their customer 'loyalty'. If people will leave if you change your name (Quickster lol?), we honestly don't give a shiat if Comcast charges you millions, now update your damn movies before Amazon takes you down like a chubby chick on prom night anyways.
 
2014-01-23 08:21:11 PM

moefuggenbrew: I think the Netflix people are once again grossly overestimating their customer 'loyalty'. If people will leave if you change your name (Quickster lol?), we honestly don't give a shiat if Comcast charges you millions, now update your damn movies before Amazon takes you down like a chubby chick on prom night anyways.


I have both. Amazon has a shiattier selection, plus they like to tempt you with a pilot or a couple of episodes and then still charge you for the rest of the season. Their interface, while mildly improved from say six months ago, is still not as user friendly. Seriously, one time I tried to click on some option, and because of lag (yeah, right), I somehow bought with '1-click' an entire season of DS9.

They refunded my money when I called about it, but it was pretty annoying.
 
2014-01-23 08:24:25 PM
give this a shot

redbox instant
 
2014-01-23 08:24:53 PM
Cable is the next video store.
 
2014-01-23 08:25:29 PM

moefuggenbrew: I think the Netflix people are once again grossly overestimating their customer 'loyalty'. If people will leave if you change your name (Quickster lol?), we honestly don't give a shiat if Comcast charges you millions, now update your damn movies before Amazon takes you down like a chubby chick on prom night anyways.


Actually, from my understanding everyone who left in a huff when they did their modest price increases came crawling back to see House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, and then some.
 
2014-01-23 08:27:38 PM

Mad_Radhu: moefuggenbrew: I think the Netflix people are once again grossly overestimating their customer 'loyalty'. If people will leave if you change your name (Quickster lol?), we honestly don't give a shiat if Comcast charges you millions, now update your damn movies before Amazon takes you down like a chubby chick on prom night anyways.

Actually, from my understanding everyone who left in a huff when they did their modest price increases came crawling back to see House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, and then some.


I didn't. Haven't had it in a year, haven't missed it yet.
 
2014-01-23 08:35:25 PM

www.nowcultured.com
"Oh, what's that Netflix? You having a little problem with your baaaaandwidth? That's toooo baaaaaaaaad."

 
2014-01-23 08:36:44 PM

RaiderFanMikeP: give this a shot

redbox instant

s28.postimg.org
fark YOU.
 
2014-01-23 08:43:20 PM
All I can say is that I'm getting pretty disapointed in Netflix's instant play selection and almost all  the disks I have been getting from them have been unplayable. and I really don't want to purchase a disk resurfacer  just so I can watch a netflix DVD on my media PC. or my Xbox, or my Lap top, or my standalone DVD player


I am not unashamed to admit that I have torrented a movie I wanted to watch when the Netflix DVD would not play.

And I don't give a damn about any of their original programing either. I watch docs, movies, animation ( NOT anime!) and some TV series... like Red Dwarf and it's ilk.

and Why can't there be a decent Netflix plug-in for XBMC?


DAMNIT!!!!!!
 
2014-01-23 08:47:49 PM

RaiderFanMikeP: give this a shot

redbox instant


Another alternative:  http://www.fandor.com/

Yeah, Fandor is completely unlike Redbox, but I like them together (with Hulu, of course, for TV and Criterion).  Redbox has new, popular stuff (and a handful of 'independent' films) while Fandor has tons of 'independent' films and the best collection of silent films I've seen on any streaming service.  Of course it is a matter of taste, but these work well for me.

/I'll go back to Netflix when they beef up their pre-2005 library
//They haven't added any silent films in ages, and the rights must be miniscule
///Nor does Netflix (or Amazon for that matter) care about getting the best prints of old films - many still have the damn watermark from the TV station off of which they were copied
 
2014-01-23 08:52:07 PM
Google and yahoo say; Hi government workers, it would be a shame if you can't do searches here.
 
2014-01-23 08:55:40 PM
I still like Netflix.
 
2014-01-23 09:01:11 PM
Billing Netflix for bandwidth directly doesn't seem to be the likeliest outcome of the court decision.  More likely is falling bandwidth caps (more precisely, your current 250GB plan slowly starts ascending to $100+ a month and your cable company starts offering a 50GB or a 20GB plan for the old 250GB price), then the cable provider offers an ersatz-Netflix to TV subscribers that doesn't get counted against the cap.
 
2014-01-23 09:03:49 PM
I must've been sleeping; when did net neutrality finally die?
 
2014-01-23 09:22:48 PM

NewportBarGuy: Doesn't Netflix have, like, $10 billion in debt? They better be careful. Those cable boys have a metric sh*t ton of cash to fight them with.

You spend a $1 million, they spend $100 million. Good luck.


No. The important long-term debt is only 500 million, and they've got 400 million in cash. If their turn around holds--he's a bit cocky in my opinion as an investor, but he may have a very nice annual report about to come out--they sit rather well to throw some weight, and I think public opinion is on their side.

Meanwhile, a company like Turner Warner Cable is 25 billion in debt, 3.3 billion in cash. Much weaker long-term position, and as guy in the TFA said, they are diversified across a few business lines, whereas Netflix is focused on a growing market. More and more folks (myself and my fiance are included) don't have cable or even a TV; there are plenty of services online that can stream the shows we want to watch. Netflix is one, Amazon Prime is another (and more useful for us; I love books), Hulu, so on and so forth.

FWIW, I think the guy is a little arrogant in the article, but he's showing two pair.
 
2014-01-23 09:30:11 PM

FutureWars: I must've been sleeping; when did net neutrality finally die?


It didn't yet but there was a ruling against it last week.
 
2014-01-23 09:34:17 PM
I love Netflix. There is always something to watch, even if it isn't current. I wasn't even butthurt about the last thing they did that made everyone all butthurt.

Sic 'em, Netflix!
 
2014-01-23 09:35:18 PM

Peki: No. The important long-term debt is only 500 million, and they've got 400 million in cash. If their turn around holds--he's a bit cocky in my opinion as an investor, but he may have a very nice annual report about to come out--they sit rather well to throw some weight, and I think public opinion is on their side.

Meanwhile, a company like Turner Warner Cable is 25 billion in debt, 3.3 billion in cash. Much weaker long-term position, and as guy in the TFA said, they are diversified across a few business lines, whereas Netflix is focused on a growing market. More and more folks (myself and my fiance are included) don't have cable or even a TV; there are plenty of services online that can stream the shows we want to watch. Netflix is one, Amazon Prime is another (and more useful for us; I love books), Hulu, so on and so forth.

FWIW, I think the guy is a little arrogant in the article, but he's showing two pair.


Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.
 
2014-01-23 09:43:03 PM

NewportBarGuy: Doesn't Netflix have, like, $10 billion in debt? They better be careful. Those cable boys have a metric sh*t ton of cash to fight them with.

You spend a $1 million, they spend $100 million. Good luck.


i'm not sure they have a choice. either fight it out now and win or lose, or die by a thousand cuts as the ISPs slowly freeze them out.
 
2014-01-23 09:43:35 PM

FutureWars: I must've been sleeping; when did net neutrality finally die?


A court decision, I think it was last week.   http://www.forbes.com/sites/oreillymedia/2014/01/19/court-prods-fcc-i n -unexpected-direction-in-last-weeks-verizon-ruling/
 
2014-01-23 10:02:31 PM

AliceBToklasLives: //They haven't added any silent films in ages, and the rights must be miniscule
///Nor does Netflix (or Amazon for that matter) care about getting the best prints of old films - many still have the damn watermark from the TV station off of which they were copied


I strongly suspect that your first point explains the second. Those big Hollywood studios are probably fighting tooth and nail to hold onto old content rights, both because they can't seem to come up with new stuff anymore, and because they know the longer they hold out, the more the providers will pay for rights to distribute.
 
2014-01-23 10:11:53 PM

mrlewish: Google and yahoo say; Hi government workers, it would be a shame if you can't do searches here.


Can you say audit? I know you can. Say it with me. "I hope you brought lube"
 
2014-01-23 10:16:52 PM

NewportBarGuy: Peki: No. The important long-term debt is only 500 million, and they've got 400 million in cash. If their turn around holds--he's a bit cocky in my opinion as an investor, but he may have a very nice annual report about to come out--they sit rather well to throw some weight, and I think public opinion is on their side.

Meanwhile, a company like Turner Warner Cable is 25 billion in debt, 3.3 billion in cash. Much weaker long-term position, and as guy in the TFA said, they are diversified across a few business lines, whereas Netflix is focused on a growing market. More and more folks (myself and my fiance are included) don't have cable or even a TV; there are plenty of services online that can stream the shows we want to watch. Netflix is one, Amazon Prime is another (and more useful for us; I love books), Hulu, so on and so forth.

FWIW, I think the guy is a little arrogant in the article, but he's showing two pair.

Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.


Thank you.

/I'm female, fyi
 
2014-01-23 10:17:18 PM

RaiderFanMikeP: give this a shot

redbox instant


That is Verizon's pet version of Netflix. As long as Verizon is farking around with my streaming badwidth for Netflix, they'll not get a dime for Redbox.

http://www.dailytech.com/Verizon+Cogent+Peer+War+Leads+to+Netflix+St re aming+Issues+/article31793.htm
 
2014-01-23 10:18:24 PM

NewportBarGuy: Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.


That. But fwiw, gutsy call on the short, and not a bad bet to take given their earnings history. I'd written the company off a couple of years ago after its quarter from hell, only to see it rise from the dead. Had no position then, never took one during the turnaround, had none this morning, but today's squeeze amazed me all the more given the mess we had today.

/would also love to see NFLX replace the incumbent cable networks. It'll take coopetition between however much dark fiber GOOG has laying around and a minor miracle of getting away with it before the incumbent telcos/cablecos can buy legislation to wall themselves off from competition, but it could still happen. Maybe while TWC and CHTR are busy buying off antitrust goons (and CMCSA is counterbidding!), all the incumbents will be busy for the next year and someone can sneak in and wipe them all out.
 
2014-01-23 10:27:21 PM

Mad_Radhu: Actually, from my understanding everyone who left in a huff when they did their modest price increases came crawling back to see House of Cards and Orange is the New Black, and then some.


Orange is the New Black was amazing but until there are new episodes, I went back to DVD (2 at a time, we watch a lot of movies here) only because their streaming *sucks* in general.

they also made good and did right on splitting the services quickly and I respect that.
 
2014-01-23 10:33:37 PM

Twilight Farkle: NewportBarGuy: Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.

That. But fwiw, gutsy call on the short, and not a bad bet to take given their earnings history. I'd written the company off a couple of years ago after its quarter from hell, only to see it rise from the dead. Had no position then, never took one during the turnaround, had none this morning, but today's squeeze amazed me all the more given the mess we had today.

/would also love to see NFLX replace the incumbent cable networks. It'll take coopetition between however much dark fiber GOOG has laying around and a minor miracle of getting away with it before the incumbent telcos/cablecos can buy legislation to wall themselves off from competition, but it could still happen. Maybe while TWC and CHTR are busy buying off antitrust goons (and CMCSA is counterbidding!), all the incumbents will be busy for the next year and someone can sneak in and wipe them all out.


I'm a very conservative (I mean in practice, not politics) contrarian investor. Netflix is off my radar because they are too flashy, and have always been too cocky (they thought their customers would tolerate drastic price increases, and it bit them in the ass). I also got burned twice last year in a row betting on politics; do it on numbers, or don't invest at all.
 
2014-01-23 10:50:34 PM
This is all assuming the FCC won't reclassify the internet as the judge in the case said they could do. And the FCC is going to reclassify the internet. Plus with people like Google to throw their weight around, things aren't going to be changing any time soon.
 
2014-01-23 11:01:22 PM

Twilight Farkle: NewportBarGuy: Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.

That. But fwiw, gutsy call on the short, and not a bad bet to take given their earnings history. I'd written the company off a couple of years ago after its quarter from hell, only to see it rise from the dead. Had no position then, never took one during the turnaround, had none this morning, but today's squeeze amazed me all the more given the mess we had today.

/would also love to see NFLX replace the incumbent cable networks. It'll take coopetition between however much dark fiber GOOG has laying around and a minor miracle of getting away with it before the incumbent telcos/cablecos can buy legislation to wall themselves off from competition, but it could still happen. Maybe while TWC and CHTR are busy buying off antitrust goons (and CMCSA is counterbidding!), all the incumbents will be busy for the next year and someone can sneak in and wipe them all out.


I bought some at 77 during the quarter from hell, figuring they'd get better and have held it since.  Noticed they were doing well but never looked at it terribly closely.  Holy shiat was that a good move.
 
2014-01-23 11:04:08 PM

WhyteRaven74: This is all assuming the FCC won't reclassify the internet as the judge in the case said they could do. And the FCC is going to reclassify the internet. Plus with people like Google to throw their weight around, things aren't going to be changing any time soon.


It really IS effectively as much a utility at this point as phone is. It's no more a "Luxury" then electricity was during rural electrification.

.. Hrm.

IF they classify it as a utility, that strips away a lot of the protected telco monopolies, right? Like, a lot of municipalities could start running their own internet services (With, in theory, MUCH BETTER service than the telco's?)
 
2014-01-23 11:17:35 PM

Peki: I'm a very conservative (I mean in practice, not politics) contrarian investor. Netflix is off my radar because they are too flashy, and have always been too cocky (they thought their customers would tolerate drastic price increases, and it bit them in the ass). I also got burned twice last year in a row betting on politics; do it on numbers, or don't invest at all.


Ditto - been burned a few times gambling on binary outcomes, and every earnings report is a miniature version of a binary event. I love watching some of these issues from the sidelines, though. Sometimes I gamble a few pennies on them, but I've found I do better aiming for base hits of 5-10% (in timeframes measured in weeks/months) rather than swinging for the fences.

seanpg71: I bought some at 77 during the quarter from hell, figuring they'd get better and have held it since.  Noticed they were doing well but never looked at it terribly closely.  Holy shiat was that a good move.


Congrats! I had a co-worker who did the same thing in the low-100s, and he has carte blance to rub my nose in it every chance he gets. No snark -- nothing makes me happier than seeing other people bank coin by taking fundamental bets I thought were too risky. As much as I wanted to lambaste Hastings for that quarter, I had to give him props for basically reversing course before the damage to market share was irreparable -- with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I see now that there was nobody else waiting to step in to fill the gap that he would have created. He had a lot more time to turn the ship around than I was giving him credit for, and that's why you made serious coin on that bet and I didn't. Kudos, dude, you earned it by being smarter than most of the people at the table, myself included.
 
2014-01-23 11:48:10 PM
Farking stupid. U.S. cable providers already charge us, their users, more than any almost any other country in the world (for some of the slowest internet connections in the world) AND they charge companies like Netflix for bandwidth?

WTF am *I* paying them for then?

Greedy farking bastards.
 
2014-01-24 12:23:39 AM

GrailOfThunder: Farking stupid. U.S. cable providers already charge us, their users, more than any almost any other country in the world (for some of the slowest internet connections in the world) AND they charge companies like Netflix for bandwidth?

WTF am *I* paying them for then?

Greedy farking bastards.


What's worse than that, your tax dollars paid for many of the internet backbones getting laid by people who want to charge more... the reason they were subsidized was because at the time, they claimed common carrier status. Now that you've paid with your tax dollars for their infrastructure, they'd like you to pay some more.
 
2014-01-24 01:09:52 AM

ladyfortuna: I have both. Amazon has a shiattier selection, plus they like to tempt you with a pilot or a couple of episodes and then still charge you for the rest of the season. Their interface, while mildly improved from say six months ago, is still not as user friendly. Seriously, one time I tried to click on some option, and because of lag (yeah, right), I somehow bought with '1-click' an entire season of DS9.

They refunded my money when I called about it, but it was pretty annoying.


I've always been wary of the 1-click for that reason. I've never been in such a hurry to buy something that I can't wait an extra minute.
 
2014-01-24 03:09:06 AM
So the new Fark trend is to hate Netflix? Unbelievable. As far as my Netfix experience has been, they hsve a pretty good streaming selection and I've had very few DVD scratched/broken discs issues. And when thry tried the Qwickster thing, I didn't act like a baby and cancel my subscription.

If you can't find something interesting to watch on Netflix streaming nowadays I don't know what to think. Their selection just keeps improving. I'm currently watching Ripper Street now. A good series.
 
2014-01-24 03:41:31 AM
pyrotek85:

I've always been wary of the 1-click for that reason. I've never been in such a hurry to buy something that I can't wait an extra minute.

Other than used books (6-7 years ago at that), agreed. I didn't even have the option toggled on as far as I knew, but the damn screen scrolled from whatever it was I was trying to select to 'buy' right when I clicked. Don't get me wrong, as a customer living far from civilization, I really appreciate Amazon and Prime shipping... but that semi bait and switch moment was pretty irritating.

Fortunately, the refund was pretty much no questions asked, and they've been good about refunds for a couple of other things as well.
 
2014-01-24 03:44:55 AM
I dropped my cable TV service to just Internet last year, and have been very happy enjoying television over my Roku with services like Netflix, Vudu, Hulu Plus and WatchESPN. But if Comcast were to restrict the bandwidth access of one of those services, or charge them more (and thus costing me more, when the cost gets pushed to the consumer), I'll drop Comcast entirely. Despite what many of the major internet providers think, there are plenty of alternatives to their service we can use. They may not be as convenient, but they are available. My town has a wireless internet service, for example, that may not be the fastest, but at least it isn't metered and is fairly cheap. I can also get internet via my cellphone provider, and it would only cost me an additional $10/month for unlimited access.

I haven't moved to these other internet providers yet for only one reason: Comcast's internet has much faster ping numbers, and since I play a lot of online games, that makes a difference to me. But if Comcast were to screw with my family's primary home entertainment services, I would have no problem dropping them like a bad habit.
 
2014-01-24 04:04:17 AM

MmmmBacon: I dropped my cable TV service to just Internet last year, and have been very happy enjoying television over my Roku with services like Netflix, Vudu, Hulu Plus and WatchESPN. But if Comcast were to restrict the bandwidth access of one of those services, or charge them more (and thus costing me more, when the cost gets pushed to the consumer), I'll drop Comcast entirely. Despite what many of the major internet providers think, there are plenty of alternatives to their service we can use. They may not be as convenient, but they are available. My town has a wireless internet service, for example, that may not be the fastest, but at least it isn't metered and is fairly cheap. I can also get internet via my cellphone provider, and it would only cost me an additional $10/month for unlimited access.

I haven't moved to these other internet providers yet for only one reason: Comcast's internet has much faster ping numbers, and since I play a lot of online games, that makes a difference to me. But if Comcast were to screw with my family's primary home entertainment services, I would have no problem dropping them like a bad habit.


XBMC, with its plethora of addons and plugins, is a pretty good option too. You can even add Netflix and Hulu to it, along with tons of other channels & video addons. Definitely worth installing on your media center PC if it's connected to your TV, or worth building one for if it's not. :)
 
2014-01-24 07:03:23 AM

ladyfortuna: pyrotek85:

I've always been wary of the 1-click for that reason. I've never been in such a hurry to buy something that I can't wait an extra minute.

Other than used books (6-7 years ago at that), agreed. I didn't even have the option toggled on as far as I knew, but the damn screen scrolled from whatever it was I was trying to select to 'buy' right when I clicked. Don't get me wrong, as a customer living far from civilization, I really appreciate Amazon and Prime shipping... but that semi bait and switch moment was pretty irritating.

Fortunately, the refund was pretty much no questions asked, and they've been good about refunds for a couple of other things as well.


So didn't you notice you clicked it or something? You get about half an hour to cancel an order on Amazon before it even registers it fully as a purchase anyway, whether using 1-click or not.
 
2014-01-24 08:42:25 AM

Felgraf: WhyteRaven74: This is all assuming the FCC won't reclassify the internet as the judge in the case said they could do. And the FCC is going to reclassify the internet. Plus with people like Google to throw their weight around, things aren't going to be changing any time soon.
It really IS effectively as much a utility at this point as phone is. It's no more a "Luxury" then electricity was during rural electrification.
.. Hrm.
IF they classify it as a utility, that strips away a lot of the protected telco monopolies, right? Like, a lot of municipalities could start running their own internet services (With, in theory, MUCH BETTER service than the telco's?)


There was nothing stopping cities from doing that in the first place. Hell, any city that wasn't up to its ears in debt should have done that as soon as fiberoptic networks came into existence - laid their own networks and leased the bandwidth out to several competing telecos. Most of those city governments had just watched the breakup of Ma Bell... and then allowed telco's to effectively create their own regional/metropolitan monopolies.

But that goes right back onto us. How many citizens were going to city council meetings in the 80s/90s screaming at their council members to lay fiber/high speed networks? We pretty much dug our own graves... just took us a couple of decades to lie in them.
 
2014-01-24 09:50:11 AM

clkeagle: Felgraf: WhyteRaven74: This is all assuming the FCC won't reclassify the internet as the judge in the case said they could do. And the FCC is going to reclassify the internet. Plus with people like Google to throw their weight around, things aren't going to be changing any time soon.
It really IS effectively as much a utility at this point as phone is. It's no more a "Luxury" then electricity was during rural electrification.
.. Hrm.
IF they classify it as a utility, that strips away a lot of the protected telco monopolies, right? Like, a lot of municipalities could start running their own internet services (With, in theory, MUCH BETTER service than the telco's?)

There was nothing stopping cities from doing that in the first place. Hell, any city that wasn't up to its ears in debt should have done that as soon as fiberoptic networks came into existence - laid their own networks and leased the bandwidth out to several competing telecos. Most of those city governments had just watched the breakup of Ma Bell... and then allowed telco's to effectively create their own regional/metropolitan monopolies.

But that goes right back onto us. How many citizens were going to city council meetings in the 80s/90s screaming at their council members to lay fiber/high speed networks? We pretty much dug our own graves... just took us a couple of decades to lie in them.


Er, no, cities that have tried that recently have been sued, and there are some states that have tried to pass laws against doing that.
 
2014-01-24 10:30:06 AM

Cerebral Knievel: All I can say is that I'm getting pretty disapointed in Netflix's instant play selection and almost all  the disks I have been getting from them have been unplayable. and I really don't want to purchase a disk resurfacer  just so I can watch a netflix DVD on my media PC. or my Xbox, or my Lap top, or my standalone DVD player


I am not unashamed to admit that I have torrented a movie I wanted to watch when the Netflix DVD would not play.

And I don't give a damn about any of their original programing either. I watch docs, movies, animation ( NOT anime!) and some TV series... like Red Dwarf and it's ilk.

and Why can't there be a decent Netflix plug-in for XBMC?


DAMNIT!!!!!!


With a microfiber cloth and Plexus I have been able to fix any damaged disc I have received from Netflix except one. Cheap and easy.

www.stainlessworks.net
 
2014-01-24 01:02:39 PM

NewportBarGuy: Peki: No. The important long-term debt is only 500 million, and they've got 400 million in cash. If their turn around holds--he's a bit cocky in my opinion as an investor, but he may have a very nice annual report about to come out--they sit rather well to throw some weight, and I think public opinion is on their side.

Meanwhile, a company like Turner Warner Cable is 25 billion in debt, 3.3 billion in cash. Much weaker long-term position, and as guy in the TFA said, they are diversified across a few business lines, whereas Netflix is focused on a growing market. More and more folks (myself and my fiance are included) don't have cable or even a TV; there are plenty of services online that can stream the shows we want to watch. Netflix is one, Amazon Prime is another (and more useful for us; I love books), Hulu, so on and so forth.

FWIW, I think the guy is a little arrogant in the article, but he's showing two pair.

Well played, Sir. You are exactly why I lost $500 shorting them before earnings. I honestly hope they win. I want the internet to stay as it is. Bandwith limits? F*ck that noise.

I agree with you on all counts.


That sucks, I'm sorry to hear it.  As of this minute, I have made precisely 1349.70 by buying 5 of full price when they had their service split a few years back and everyone bailed on them.  Have done similarly well on BoA. Big companies with strong business models will likely make you money in the long run....course I haven't gotten into options yet...I have to do that soon though...there's a company that's about to go through the roof and I need to get me some of them before the chance is gone :-/
 
2014-01-24 05:23:19 PM
Even if the FCC removes the net-neutrality rule, aren't they still open to anti-competitive practices if they start trying to charge some services extra bandwidth and not others?

I just hope they take advantage of the good parts of losing net-neutrality such as collocating servers for high use services where before that would violate the rules since only certain services would have that option.

The real issue isn't trying to force net-neutrality onto ISPs but to break up the monopolies so that we have more competitive choices.
 
2014-01-24 06:14:01 PM

xria: ladyfortuna: pyrotek85:

I've always been wary of the 1-click for that reason. I've never been in such a hurry to buy something that I can't wait an extra minute.

Other than used books (6-7 years ago at that), agreed. I didn't even have the option toggled on as far as I knew, but the damn screen scrolled from whatever it was I was trying to select to 'buy' right when I clicked. Don't get me wrong, as a customer living far from civilization, I really appreciate Amazon and Prime shipping... but that semi bait and switch moment was pretty irritating.

Fortunately, the refund was pretty much no questions asked, and they've been good about refunds for a couple of other things as well.

So didn't you notice you clicked it or something? You get about half an hour to cancel an order on Amazon before it even registers it fully as a purchase anyway, whether using 1-click or not.


I did notice, and it was a digital order for an entire season. What happened was the screen lagged from something else I clicked (I think it was the tiny button to play an episode) and it jumped back up to the 'buy season' button which happened to be in exactly the same spot. So no, you can't cancel that, it's an instant charge. I had to call them. They've changed the layout slightly so I don't know if you can still do it by accident, and frankly I'm not anxious to find out.
 
2014-01-25 12:26:49 AM
Am I the only person that thinks Hulu is retarded? Because it is.
 
2014-01-25 08:14:34 AM
fark Verizon and their cripplenet.
 
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