Spare Me: This really is shaping up as a battle of the bare chested manly men. In the Ukrainian corner is revolutionary democratic freedom fighter. Wladimir Klitschko!!!!AND in the Russian corner, the battle harden Russian steamroller, Pooty Poot (Vladimir Putin)Lets get ready to RUUUUUMMMMMBLE!!!
iheartscotch: It's not surprising that it worked. Not even Stalin or Ivan the Terrible could completely subjugate or destroy the Orthodox Catholic Church. Granted a lot of Orthodox Priests went missing in Stalin's various purges; but, The Orthodox Church has been very important to Russian culture since they split from the Roman Catholic Church.
PunGent: You should read more. The Orthodox Church was happy to prop up the feudal system, and happy to have Ivan's support before his paranoia got to him
Twilight Farkle: iq_in_binary: There's a LOT of sci fi with good informationTruth. SF has never really been about the future, it's always about the present.Maybe it's for the best that it's futile to convince the "serious literature" types of that. (Atwood came close with the Handmaid's Tale, but we've already had a couple of threads today about how life now imitates that novel...) Space is an awesome setting, but in the end, the stories are still about variations on the theme of how good ol' homo sapiens might behave, regardless of whether others in his/her literary universe wear green uniforms, or were born with green skin. Same thing, really.
traylor: You think so? Check out some more pics.You look at them and you are just 'what the hell.'
phyrkrakr: To give a little more background, the current president, Viktor Yanukovych, has long been a Russian sympathizer
Hermione_Granger: What's so special about the Cheesemakers?Nothing. Follow the gord!traylor: and I don't know why I am posting this, but...[m.cdn.blog.hu image 604x324]
phyrkrakr: Yeah. Lighting a cigarette with a molotov cocktail.
LewDux: He and his government was pro-EU until December, they spent fortune trying to convince Eastern Ukraine that EU doesn't bite, on 21 November 2013 Yanukovych stated that "an alternative for European integration does not exist", etc. And then they suddenly changed their minds..
ornithopter: kiranlightpaw: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denominationWe're around. We're just not as loud as all the other guys. My parish, for instance, is very big into working with prisoners and their families.Also, we drink heavily./Episcopalian//WhiskeypalianWhereever three or four are gathered in My name, you shall find a fifth between them./also a Whiskeypalian
Coming on a Bicycle: traylor: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422][assets.nydailynews.com image 635x420][assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422][assets.nydailynews.com image 635x447]Source www.nydailynews.comAbove are the priests of the Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the priest of the Greek Catholic Church are taking side with the protesters, and the government warned them they are facing lawsuits.[synapticnulship.com image 425x340]So in effect, the churches too, have taken their expected sides in the conflict: western church sides with protesters, Russian church sides with government (who wants the confrontation to end).
Peki: ladyfortuna: You know that scene in The Fifth Element where Leeloo learns about war? Threads like this (and associated articles and links) make me feel like she did.Yeah, but don't forget the moral of the story. We put up with it all because of love and hope./that's religion's role, imo. To remind us of that.
ladyfortuna: I think religion exists more to placate the masses, control the masses, and give them a reason to behave and keep their heads down so they'll 'go to heaven'.
ladyfortuna: They didn't just come up with all those rules for no reason.
ladyfortuna: Plus, then they get twisted around every time some jackass wants to rule over other people.
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