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(Hot Air)   While Joel Osteen is buying teeth whitener in America, these Orthodox priests are waging peace in Ukraine (with the best "You Shall Not Pass" pose you'll see all day)   (hotair.com) divider line 114
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2014-01-24 05:27:52 AM  

Spare Me: This really is shaping up as a battle of the bare chested manly men. In the Ukrainian corner is revolutionary democratic freedom fighter. Wladimir Klitschko!!!!

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AND in the Russian corner, the battle harden Russian steamroller, Pooty Poot (Vladimir Putin)

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Lets get ready to RUUUUUMMMMMBLE!!!

 
2014-01-24 05:59:52 AM  

iheartscotch: It's not surprising that it worked. Not even Stalin or Ivan the Terrible could completely subjugate or destroy the Orthodox Catholic Church. Granted a lot of Orthodox Priests went missing in Stalin's various purges; but, The Orthodox Church has been very important to Russian culture since they split from the Roman Catholic Church.


Sure, 'important' like a tumor is important.  Not good, but important.

You should read more.  The Orthodox Church was happy to prop up the feudal system, and happy to have Ivan's support before his paranoia got to him.  You sound like a typical religious person, refusing to accept responsibility for the shiat religion's done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_IV_of_Russia

Oh, and Stalin? Educated in a seminary.

It's no accident that Communism flourished in a feudal theocracy.  It's about the only system that makes even communism look attractive.
 
2014-01-24 06:18:48 AM  

PunGent: You should read more. The Orthodox Church was happy to prop up the feudal system, and happy to have Ivan's support before his paranoia got to him


"We don't require the church to pay any tribute, nor any tax per plough, nor any duty, nor provide horses, nor recruits, nor food supplies, of all the Tsar's levies, we don't need any one from them." Tsar
 
2014-01-24 08:07:21 AM  

Twilight Farkle: iq_in_binary: There's a LOT of sci fi with good information

Truth. SF has never really been about the future, it's always about the present.

Maybe it's for the best that it's futile to convince the "serious literature" types of that. (Atwood came close with the Handmaid's Tale, but we've already had a couple of threads today about how life now imitates that novel...) Space is an awesome setting, but in the end, the stories are still about variations on the theme of how good ol' homo sapiens might behave, regardless of whether others in his/her literary universe wear green uniforms, or were born with green skin. Same thing, really.


Never read the books, did you?

Just saying.
 
2014-01-24 09:48:02 AM  

traylor: You think so? Check out some more pics.
You look at them and you are just 'what the hell.'


Yeah. Lighting a cigarette with a molotov cocktail.

It's already been pretty well described elsewhere in the thread, but this is basically about the western-sympathizing public fighting against the eastern-sympathizing government. To give a little more background, the current president, Viktor Yanukovych, has long been a Russian sympathizer. He's also pulled shady shiat before, such as rigging elections and politically motivated prosecutions of key enemies.

If you remember, back in 2004, he was on the ballot against Viktor Yuschenko and rigged the election, basically. Kiev exploded - the "Orange Revolution" - and a revote was held. At that point, Yuschenko won and took power. However, he was supposed to be sharing with Yulia Tymoshenko (the hot Ukrainian PM with the blonde donut braid on top of her head). They fell to infighting, and as a result, Yanukovych was able to slide back into power. Oh, and somewhere along the way, Yuschenko just happened to be seriously poisoned with dioxin, which damn near killed him.

Anwyay, while Yuschenko and Tymoshenko were working together and in control of the government, they shifted Ukraine towards Europe, applying for EU membership and distancing themselves from Russia. Their political opponents would say that this is because Tymoshenko, who is probably a billionaire through her natural gas interests, was monkeying with the natural gas supply chain from Russia to western Europe that primarily runs through Ukraine. Something like 80% of the natural gas sold by Russia to Europe passes through a pipeline in Ukraine, somewhere - and Ukraine has monkeyed with it before, diverting it to domestic purposes and lying about it (supposedly). Tymoshenko's explanation is that the intermediary company that had been handling the Russia-Ukraine gas sales was full of all sorts of shady characters who were basically skimming off the cream of the Ukraine-Russia deal, some of them members of government. She was simply trying to cut out the middle man and save her government some money. Anyway, the deal eventually got done, even though members of the opposition kept trying to sabotage it, and the gas crisis ended.

Anyway, that's the backdrop to the whole thing, except I almost forgot to mention that because of the aforesaid natural gas shenanigans and probably also her opposition to the government, Tymoshenko was arrested and convicted of pulling a shady deal and sentenced to seven years in prison. She's still currently locked up, to the protest of several human rights organizations - the EU actually told the government that release of Tymoshenko would be a condition for allowing Ukraine to sign the Association Agreement, which of course, is exactly what the pro-Russian government would like to hear. The next elections for president are in 2015 and the main opposition party has already announced that Tymoshenko will be its candidate - presumably, even if she's still in prison.
 
2014-01-24 10:05:31 AM  

phyrkrakr: To give a little more background, the current president, Viktor Yanukovych, has long been a Russian sympathizer


He and his government was pro-EU until December, they spent fortune trying to convince Eastern Ukraine that EU doesn't bite, on 21 November 2013  Yanukovych stated that "an alternative for European integration does not exist", etc. And then they suddenly changed their minds..
 
2014-01-24 10:24:11 AM  

Hermione_Granger:  What's so special about the Cheesemakers?

Nothing.  Follow the gord!

traylor: and I don't know why I am posting this, but...

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Why so serious?

/Got nothing serious to add, everything I know has already been said.
 
2014-01-24 10:40:52 AM  
Didn't post the pic, dammit:

phyrkrakr: Yeah. Lighting a cigarette with a molotov cocktail.


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2014-01-24 10:45:33 AM  

LewDux: He and his government was pro-EU until December, they spent fortune trying to convince Eastern Ukraine that EU doesn't bite, on 21 November 2013 Yanukovych stated that "an alternative for European integration does not exist", etc. And then they suddenly changed their minds..


I knew I was probably over-simplifying, but I didn't realize that Yanukovych had pulled a switch that recently. What was the big bone between Tymoschenko and Yanukovych, then, back before he was elected President? I thought it was the East/West thing, but I'm probably influenced by the distorted media that's been providing me my information.
 
2014-01-24 10:48:07 AM  

ornithopter: kiranlightpaw: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

We're around. We're just not as loud as all the other guys.  My parish, for instance, is very big into working with prisoners and their families.

Also, we drink heavily.

/Episcopalian
//Whiskeypalian

Whereever three or four are gathered in My name, you shall find a fifth between them.

/also a Whiskeypalian


HA!

/also Whiskeypalian

I've been calling Yanukovich by the wrong farking name the whole time (I blame cold medication). Oops.

Vitali and Wladimir K* should duke it out with Vladimir P and Yanukovich. I'd pay to watch.

*-besides, aren't they close to 7 farking feet tall?
 
2014-01-24 03:16:57 PM  
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2014-01-24 06:10:11 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: traylor: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
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Source www.nydailynews.com

Above are the priests of the Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the priest of the Greek Catholic Church are taking side with the protesters, and the government warned them they are facing lawsuits.
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So in effect, the churches too, have taken their expected sides in the conflict: western church sides with protesters, Russian church sides with government (who wants the confrontation to end).


Hardly surprising.  The conflict between the Catholic West and the Orthodox East far, far predates the Cold War.
 
2014-01-24 06:23:06 PM  

Peki: ladyfortuna: You know that scene in The Fifth Element where Leeloo learns about war? Threads like this (and associated articles and links) make me feel like she did.

Yeah, but don't forget the moral of the story. We put up with it all because of love and hope.

/that's religion's role, imo. To remind us of that.


See, I actually had a pretty good experience growing up going to church every Sunday, but by and large I think religion exists more to placate the masses, control the masses, and give them a reason to behave and keep their heads down so they'll 'go to heaven'. They didn't just come up with all those rules for no reason. Plus, then they get twisted around every time some jackass wants to rule over other people.
 
2014-01-24 09:00:13 PM  

ladyfortuna: I think religion exists more to placate the masses, control the masses, and give them a reason to behave and keep their heads down so they'll 'go to heaven'.


Well, sure. I don't doubt that's the intention, but why feed into that? Just because that's what "they" want religion to be about, doesn't mean it has to be that way for me. For me it's about community and access to resources within that community to further everyone's goals. Plus, my religion is generic enough that it's hard to argue with the indoctrination. Someone would really say that believing in the dignity of all life is a bad thing? Or that the free search for truth or justice are ignoble goals?

ladyfortuna: They didn't just come up with all those rules for no reason.


Yeah, but you can take a lot from looking at the context. I follow a lot of Biblical law when it comes to gardening, because it's very practical. The law about not letting your fruit tree bear fruit for six years, then harvest on the seventh year, for example, allows the tree to grow strong enough to carry the weight of a good bounty. The "incest" laws were about reducing conflict among families and maintaining property within tribes, something humans continue to struggle with today. When you strip it of the "you'll go to hell if you don't do X", X actually tends to keep you out of trouble.

I've had mixed experiences at church, but religion doesn't have to be about church. Church is about community through religion. Keep in the mind the origin of the word religion is "to tie together."

ladyfortuna: Plus, then they get twisted around every time some jackass wants to rule over other people.


Don't disagree with you here, but we don't have to allow it. Educating yourself means you can't get exploited.
 
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