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2014-01-23 08:58:04 PM  
WTF! Dude on the right is carrying a censer.   That is for services only.
 
2014-01-23 08:59:25 PM  

johnny_vegas: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

phew! I was afraid there wouldn't be a way to slam the US in this thread

/where there is a will, there is a way!


I'm with IamAwake. It's a slam on CHURCHES in the US.
 
2014-01-23 08:59:38 PM  

Isitoveryet: isn't this the exact reason that religion was dreamed up?
to protect those in power from the angry unwashed masses?

careful, God is watching you.


My initial thought was, "Nice troll, Trolly McTrollerson." But then... why do the priests seem to be calming the protestors and protecting the state security forces? Shouldn't the priests be standing with their backs to the protestors, calming the cops? Like that Chinese guy at Tiananmen who faced down the tanks?

From our perspective, alignment with Putin = Bad, and alignment with EU = Good. Rebels = good, state = bad.

But which side are the priests exactly trying to chill out?  The one looks like he's about to walk back into police lines. The "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" image seems to be looking at protestors.

Yanukovich is no angel and neither is Putin but... are there angels on either side? Tahrir Square wasn't a big block party with free love hippies. Lara Logan found out the hard way. The people elected Morsi. Now they're back to military dictatorship.

Hate to be That Guy™, but... these seem like important questions.
 
2014-01-23 09:02:48 PM  

IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination


Unitarian Universalism might work for you. It's not Christianity, per se, but you can be Christian and UU at the same time (you can really be anything and UU at the same time). Clergy and members often are arrested at protests. We've had a few from our church get detained for civil disobedience for various things, like the anti-profiling rally outside Sheriff Joe's prison in AZ, the anti-abortion protest in Texas (the one that put Wendy Davis on the national map), etc. They have their faults, but they are far better at walking the walk than others.

You may want to check out Eastern Orthodox Christianity too; there are some pretty stark differences (I think their priests don't have to take vows of celibacy, for instance). Learning the history of why and how Christianity split into the two churches is an interesting read too.
 
2014-01-23 09:04:06 PM  
Meanwhile, in Georgia...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/07/30/204511294/GEORGIA-CHURC H -ANTI-GAY-RIOT
 
2014-01-23 09:04:08 PM  

DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.


Actually his teachings in some ways are even more harmful than the fire breathing burn the gays type! While he appears soft spoken, intelligent and preaches seemingly kind words, his prosperity gospel is actually very dangerous and a direct contradiction to what the Bible is all about.

His 'if you donate $10 to me and help a stranger up the steps, God will bless you with a Lamboghini tomorrow' type messages create a whole cabal of poisoned minds with unrealistic expectations of Christianity and a disdain for the poor because if you're poor it means you're a bad guy or obviously didn't do enough for God!
 
2014-01-23 09:06:27 PM  

echomike23: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8113390/88886510#c88886510" target="_blank">DamnYankees</a>:</strong> <em>Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.</em>

talked to someone over there and they are NOT happy with the current leadership.  about 5 people were shot last night.


Damn... that church sounds hardcore.
 
2014-01-23 09:12:30 PM  
 
2014-01-23 09:13:18 PM  
Reminds me of a song...


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-23 09:17:15 PM  

lindalouwho: johnny_vegas: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

phew! I was afraid there wouldn't be a way to slam the US in this thread

/where there is a will, there is a way!

I'm with IamAwake. It's a slam on CHURCHES in the US.


so you want a civil insurrection in the US where innocent people are killed so US clergy can prove to you  they would do the same?
 
2014-01-23 09:20:27 PM  
i.imgur.com
Been following these threads with some interest over the past couple of days, and I'm really glad Fark's picked up on this. This is something that's been coming to a head for some time, has geopolitical ramifications, and for something with the potential to affect energy prices both in Europe with second-order effects on North American energy prices (perhaps not as important today as 3-5 years ago), it's amazing how little coverage there is even on the business news.
 
2014-01-23 09:21:12 PM  

CruJones: bearcats1983: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Joel Osteen: The new MegaGod. Send $$$$$$$$

That is exactly why he gets the hate he receives. It's interesting that a guy who preaches love everyone and all that shiat lives in a giant house and drives fancy cars. Plus, fark that guy.

Slow down now, what's wrong with a nice house and fancy car? Or truck, depending.


Nothing at all. I'm not envious of his success, I just think he's a hypocrite. The guy is worth $40 million, all from "preaching the word". I'm pretty confident Jesus' teachings say nothing about accumulating a shiatload of wealth. I'm not saying he should live in poverty to prove piety, but he is the antithesis of "practice what you preach".
 
2014-01-23 09:23:54 PM  

johnny_vegas: lindalouwho: johnny_vegas: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

phew! I was afraid there wouldn't be a way to slam the US in this thread

/where there is a will, there is a way!

I'm with IamAwake. It's a slam on CHURCHES in the US.

so you want a civil insurrection in the US where innocent people are killed so US clergy can prove to you  they would do the same?


Sorry, it's not feeding time.
 
2014-01-23 09:27:14 PM  

bearcats1983: CruJones: bearcats1983: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Joel Osteen: The new MegaGod. Send $$$$$$$$

That is exactly why he gets the hate he receives. It's interesting that a guy who preaches love everyone and all that shiat lives in a giant house and drives fancy cars. Plus, fark that guy.

Slow down now, what's wrong with a nice house and fancy car? Or truck, depending.

Nothing at all. I'm not envious of his success, I just think he's a hypocrite. The guy is worth $40 million, all from "preaching the word". I'm pretty confident Jesus' teachings say nothing about accumulating a shiatload of wealth. I'm not saying he should live in poverty to prove piety, but he is the antithesis of "practice what you preach".


I seem to remember something about a camel and a sewing utensil...just sayin'
 
2014-01-23 09:29:00 PM  

DamnYankees: traylor: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x420]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x447]


Source www.nydailynews.com

Above are the priests of the Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the priest of the Greek Catholic Church are taking side with the protesters, and the government warned them they are facing lawsuits.
[synapticnulship.com image 425x340]

That second photo is phenomenal. You crop that a little more nicely and that's a pulitzer prize winner.


Yeah.  Walking through the valley of the shadow of death.
 
Oak
2014-01-23 09:29:50 PM  
Сокол? Я беркут. Вы меня слышите?
 
2014-01-23 09:30:07 PM  

Spare Me: Wladimir Klitschko


No, you mean the older one, Vitali Klitschko. He tried to calm down some protesters a few days ago and he got a fire extinguisher blown in his face.

img.bleacherreport.net

..and I don't know why I am posting this, but...

m.cdn.blog.hu
 
2014-01-23 09:32:56 PM  

IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination


Ummm, there are PLENTY of them like this in the US. Maybe you need to look a little more?
 
2014-01-23 09:35:07 PM  

Oak: Сокол? Я беркут. Вы меня слышите?


Oh good, a Russian speaker. I looked at the pics and videos in a link up thread. About halfway down is a short clip of the police hitting a naked man. Now my Russian is incredibly rusty, but I could have sworn that the other soldier asks him wtf he was doing. If you care to take a peek and either confirm it or show me that my Russian sucks even worse than I thought.
 
2014-01-23 09:37:01 PM  

shaggai: bearcats1983: CruJones: bearcats1983: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Joel Osteen: The new MegaGod. Send $$$$$$$$

That is exactly why he gets the hate he receives. It's interesting that a guy who preaches love everyone and all that shiat lives in a giant house and drives fancy cars. Plus, fark that guy.

Slow down now, what's wrong with a nice house and fancy car? Or truck, depending.

Nothing at all. I'm not envious of his success, I just think he's a hypocrite. The guy is worth $40 million, all from "preaching the word". I'm pretty confident Jesus' teachings say nothing about accumulating a shiatload of wealth. I'm not saying he should live in poverty to prove piety, but he is the antithesis of "practice what you preach".

I seem to remember something about a camel and a sewing utensil...just sayin'


Catholic education is a little rusty, I had to wiki the scripture. Yes, perfect scripture for this guy.
 
2014-01-23 09:37:10 PM  
If Osteen didn't talk about God so much, he'd be a Fark hero.

Every week his sermon is about how much you deserve no matter how little you do.
 
2014-01-23 09:42:44 PM  

lindalouwho: johnny_vegas: lindalouwho: johnny_vegas: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

phew! I was afraid there wouldn't be a way to slam the US in this thread

/where there is a will, there is a way!

I'm with IamAwake. It's a slam on CHURCHES in the US.

so you want a civil insurrection in the US where innocent people are killed so US clergy can prove to you  they would do the same?

Sorry, it's not feeding time.


yeah exactly, you and your compadre decided to use a story about very brave people doing very selfless things at very large personal risk to complain something in your pampered life isn't perfect.
 
2014-01-23 09:42:52 PM  
You shall not pass?  Please.  I would run through those religious nutters with ease.
 
2014-01-23 09:49:03 PM  

limerickey: DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.


Burn the prosperity gospel heretic!


That and his big support of trying to get the law to sentence homosexuals to death in Uganda and arrest anyone who doesn't report it.
 
2014-01-23 09:50:02 PM  

The Gunslinger Roland: You shall not pass?  Please.  I would run through those religious nutters with ease.


You'd have to roll a natural 20
 
2014-01-23 09:57:43 PM  
You know that scene in The Fifth Element where Leeloo learns about war? Threads like this (and associated articles and links) make me feel like she did.
 
2014-01-23 10:35:41 PM  

ladyfortuna: You know that scene in The Fifth Element where Leeloo learns about war? Threads like this (and associated articles and links) make me feel like she did.


Yeah, but don't forget the moral of the story. We put up with it all because of love and hope.

/that's religion's role, imo. To remind us of that.
 
2014-01-23 10:43:15 PM  

Summercat: Sometimes, peace is not the answer.

/my thoughts to them anyhow


Yeah, and this may be one of those times.

Look at the direction the jebusites are facing.  It's not against the po-po, it's against the crowd.

By pushing for peace in the name of religion, they're supporting the current government against the people.
 
2014-01-23 10:54:49 PM  

traylor: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x420]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x447]


Source www.nydailynews.com

Above are the priests of the Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the priest of the Greek Catholic Church are taking side with the protesters, and the government warned them they are facing lawsuits.
[synapticnulship.com image 425x340]


Greek catholic church? WTF? I've never even heard of them. Incidentally, over 90% of Greeks are Orthodox. Another 5% Muslim, and the other 5% are everything else.
 
2014-01-23 10:58:22 PM  
And... now I understand that what they're calling the "Greek Catholic Church" is what everyone else calls the "Eastern Catholic Church" or the Byzantine Catholic Church.

And there's very. very few Greeks who are Byzantine Catholic. So quit calling it that!
 
2014-01-23 11:03:59 PM  

IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination


there's nothing stopping you from starting your own church.
 
2014-01-23 11:05:02 PM  

traylor: Spare Me: Wladimir Klitschko

No, you mean the older one, Vitali Klitschko. He tried to calm down some protesters a few days ago and he got a fire extinguisher blown in his face.

[img.bleacherreport.net image 630x420]

..and I don't know why I am posting this, but...

[m.cdn.blog.hu image 604x324]


That's a face that would make you shiat bricks.
 
2014-01-23 11:15:39 PM  

Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 850x579]
Been following these threads with some interest over the past couple of days, and I'm really glad Fark's picked up on this. This is something that's been coming to a head for some time, has geopolitical ramifications, and for something with the potential to affect energy prices both in Europe with second-order effects on North American energy prices (perhaps not as important today as 3-5 years ago), it's amazing how little coverage there is even on the business news.


Give them a break! They can't cover Justin Bieber AND Ukraine.
 
2014-01-23 11:19:02 PM  

IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination


We're around. We're just not as loud as all the other guys.  My parish, for instance, is very big into working with prisoners and their families.

Also, we drink heavily.

/Episcopalian
//Whiskeypalian
 
2014-01-23 11:22:50 PM  

jmayson: Give them a break! They can't cover Justin Bieber AND Ukraine.


We're due to update the Guy Fawkes mask as the icon of ... well, you know. If certain people were to 'shoop Bieber's mug overtop of the face of every protester on the pro-EU side of the debate...

/that idea is probably more "drunkenly grasping at straws" than "planting seeds," but hey, it's late on a Thursday night, and who expects competent and informed commentary from North America at this hour?
//or at any hour, for that matter?
 
2014-01-23 11:25:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.


If it were happening here in real 'Merikuh, they'd call it something wildly innocuous like..."occupy Wallstreet" or some commie soshullist thing like that
 
2014-01-23 11:26:57 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.

Summed up version: The Ukraine is very important to the Russians.  It's their breadbasket and the Russians like having buffer space between them and their perceived enemies.  They also consider the Ukraine to be 'theirs' and it's historically been subjugated by the Russians.

The Ukrainian people want closer ties to the west and the EU in particular.  The Ukrainian government is pro-Russian.

Thus, the conflict.

Yeah, I'm aware. When I said "what the fark is happening", I meant it in the Jerry Seinfeld sense of exasperation, not actually asking. I was unclear.


Speaking of Seinfeld, really, no one yet, farkers?

images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-23 11:35:12 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.

Summed up version: The Ukraine is very important to the Russians.  It's their breadbasket and the Russians like having buffer space between them and their perceived enemies.  They also consider the Ukraine to be 'theirs' and it's historically been subjugated by the Russians.

The Ukrainian people want closer ties to the west and the EU in particular.  The Ukrainian government is pro-Russian.

Thus, the conflict.

Yeah, I'm aware. When I said "what the fark is happening", I meant it in the Jerry Seinfeld sense of exasperation, not actually asking. I was unclear.


To make things even more interesting:  In addition to  Klitschko's faction fighting the government, you also have Yulia's people.  She's still in prison (on jacked up charges, apparently)

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-01-23 11:42:59 PM  

The Gunslinger Roland: You shall not pass?  Please.  I would run through those religious nutters with ease.


And likely been mobbed by attackers from BOTH sides for it. Which might have still brought about a cease-fire, if only a temporary one, so there is that. ;)
 
2014-01-24 12:08:28 AM  

Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 850x579]
Been following these threads with some interest over the past couple of days, and I'm really glad Fark's picked up on this. This is something that's been coming to a head for some time, has geopolitical ramifications, and for something with the potential to affect energy prices both in Europe with second-order effects on North American energy prices (perhaps not as important today as 3-5 years ago), it's amazing how little coverage there is even on the business news.


It's definitely been interesting watching one of the 24/7 live webcams. The fireworks were a nice touch, but it's hard to argue with the theatrics of a burning tire wall. What were the hastily constructed maze-like barricades near the building with the snow-covered "pine" trees, though?
 
2014-01-24 12:21:13 AM  

traylor: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x420]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x422]
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x447]


Source www.nydailynews.com

Above are the priests of the Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, the priest of the Greek Catholic Church are taking side with the protesters, and the government warned them they are facing lawsuits.
[synapticnulship.com image 425x340]


So in effect, the churches too, have taken their expected sides in the conflict: western church sides with protesters, Russian church sides with government (who wants the confrontation to end).
 
2014-01-24 12:33:33 AM  

Somaticasual: It's definitely been interesting watching one of the 24/7 live webcams. The fireworks were a nice touch, but it's hard to argue with the theatrics of a burning tire wall. What were the hastily constructed maze-like barricades near the building with the snow-covered "pine" trees, though?


It's both fascinating and educational to watch both sides (in this conflict and others like it) play against each other. The more I watch livefeeds and take advantage of our present ability to download such footage and fast-forward/slow-mo during the cirtical portions where the tide of battle shifts towards either the attackers or the defenders, the more I realize that Cory Doctorow's Little Brother and Homeland are actually field manuals in the guise of juvenile SF novels. I hope I never need to use what little knowledge I've gained thus far, and what little more I'll pick up from watching similar footage in the years to come.

/and that guy with the microphone from the thread earlier today, covering the action while a protestor appeared to be warning him of sniper fire (my Russian is weak, but I recognize words that sound like "strelyay/strelya/strela" and a gesture of pointing at the forehead) did indeed have brass ones. Crazy shiat.
 
2014-01-24 12:51:22 AM  

Twilight Farkle: Somaticasual: It's definitely been interesting watching one of the 24/7 live webcams. The fireworks were a nice touch, but it's hard to argue with the theatrics of a burning tire wall. What were the hastily constructed maze-like barricades near the building with the snow-covered "pine" trees, though?

It's both fascinating and educational to watch both sides (in this conflict and others like it) play against each other. The more I watch livefeeds and take advantage of our present ability to download such footage and fast-forward/slow-mo during the cirtical portions where the tide of battle shifts towards either the attackers or the defenders, the more I realize that Cory Doctorow's Little Brother and Homeland are actually field manuals in the guise of juvenile SF novels. I hope I never need to use what little knowledge I've gained thus far, and what little more I'll pick up from watching similar footage in the years to come.

/and that guy with the microphone from the thread earlier today, covering the action while a protestor appeared to be warning him of sniper fire (my Russian is weak, but I recognize words that sound like "strelyay/strelya/strela" and a gesture of pointing at the forehead) did indeed have brass ones. Crazy shiat.


There's a LOT of sci fi with good information for potential revolutionaries.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress was practically a masturbatory fantasy for Heinlein.
 
2014-01-24 01:01:16 AM  

iq_in_binary: There's a LOT of sci fi with good information


Truth. SF has never really been about the future, it's always about the present.

Maybe it's for the best that it's futile to convince the "serious literature" types of that. (Atwood came close with the Handmaid's Tale, but we've already had a couple of threads today about how life now imitates that novel...) Space is an awesome setting, but in the end, the stories are still about variations on the theme of how good ol' homo sapiens might behave, regardless of whether others in his/her literary universe wear green uniforms, or were born with green skin. Same thing, really.
 
2014-01-24 01:10:03 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-24 01:24:39 AM  

BravadoGT: DamnYankees: Infernalist: DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.

Summed up version: The Ukraine is very important to the Russians.  It's their breadbasket and the Russians like having buffer space between them and their perceived enemies.  They also consider the Ukraine to be 'theirs' and it's historically been subjugated by the Russians.

The Ukrainian people want closer ties to the west and the EU in particular.  The Ukrainian government is pro-Russian.

Thus, the conflict.

Yeah, I'm aware. When I said "what the fark is happening", I meant it in the Jerry Seinfeld sense of exasperation, not actually asking. I was unclear.

To make things even more interesting:  In addition to  Klitschko's faction fighting the government, you also have Yulia's people.  She's still in prison (on jacked up charges, apparently)

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


Link
 
2014-01-24 02:15:41 AM  
The Clerics and LARPers are all well and good, but you know who I miss? Riot Dog.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-01-24 02:16:46 AM  

kiranlightpaw: IamAwake: if this was the attitude of the clergy of *any* Christian church in the US, I wouldn't have stopped going to church after years of looking for a new denomination

We're around. We're just not as loud as all the other guys.  My parish, for instance, is very big into working with prisoners and their families.

Also, we drink heavily.

/Episcopalian
//Whiskeypalian


Whereever three or four are gathered in My name, you shall find a fifth between them.

/also a Whiskeypalian
 
2014-01-24 02:52:19 AM  
Well, to be fair, it's tough to attend protests in the Ukraine from here:

swamplot.com
 
2014-01-24 03:15:01 AM  

Infernalist: DamnYankees: Not that I like Osteen, but why are we slamming him here? He has nothing to do with this, and he's among the least odious evangelicals as far as I can tell.

As to the main issue, what the fark is happening in the Ukraine? This is nuts stuff.

Summed up version: The Ukraine is very important to the Russians.  It's their breadbasket and the Russians like having buffer space between them and their perceived enemies.  They also consider the Ukraine to be 'theirs' and it's historically been subjugated by the Russians.

The Ukrainian people want closer ties to the west and the EU in particular.  The Ukrainian government is pro-Russian.

Thus, the conflict.


More to the point, a major organizational touchstone of the Rus tribe(s) of Slavs (hence the name "Russians") happened in Kyiv - the period is known historically as "Kyivan-Rus".  Almost a century after Kyiv's establishment, one of the rulers, Volodimir (Vladimir) the Great, brought Christianity to the people.  Over time, various nobles were given (or took) principalities or Grand Duchies in the territories farther away from Kyiv - one of which, the Grand Duchy of Moscow, became especially powerful.  So, in the post-Soviet period, Russian leaders who want to appeal to sentimental ideas of "united Rus" or Russian Orthodox notions of the "birthplace" of Russian Christianity either talk of "friendly" common union with Ukraine, or outright annexation.  Either way, it's potentially quite politically dangerous if a Russian leader were to "lose" Ukraine to their perceived enemy (or at least, any country or group of countries that is not Russian/Slavic in origin).

Also, there's a roughly east-west divide in Ukraine - the country is geographically split roughly in half by the Dnieper river; the eastern half is surrounded by Russia and the Black Sea.  Under the Soviet Union, many factories were built in the east and ethnic Russians were encouraged to move there to work in those factories.  Thus, after the fall of the Soviet Union, much of the east is still largely Russian-speaking and has pro-Russian sympathies. (It's not a perfect geographic split - some of the southern part of the country to the west of the river is primarily Russian-speaking, and some of the northern part of the country to the east of the river has pro-West sentiments, but you get the idea.)

The western Ukraine borders Poland, small parts of Slovakia and Hungary, Romania, and Moldova as well as the Black Sea.  For quite some time pre-WWII a large part of the west was part of Poland under the Polish monarchy, either via intermarriage with local Ukrainian nobility, or through military conquest (this territory was later absorbed by the Austro-Hungarian Empire).  The west has historically had an active independence movement of some kind while occupied, and has preserved the Ukrainian language (which is similar but different than Russian). It generally does not appreciate Russian intervention and looks West.

This is complicated by Russia's lending of money to Ukraine, to the tune of several billion dollars.
 
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