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(Huffington Post)   Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"? Turns out a shotgun wedding to a teenage babymomma doesn't really set a solid foundation for a lifelong partnership   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-01-23 01:08:01 PM  
10 votes:
See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.
2014-01-23 01:13:03 PM  
7 votes:
Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.
2014-01-23 02:02:27 PM  
6 votes:
Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.
2014-01-23 02:19:34 PM  
4 votes:

Fade2black: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.


It may not be great, but It sure beats the borrow and spend method that the last few Republican administrations seemed to prefer.
2014-01-23 02:11:18 PM  
4 votes:

veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised


Just so you know... that divorce rates are higher in the South is not in dispute. This study merely attempts to figure out why that is. You can dismiss the study all you want, but the fact about divorce rates will remain.
2014-01-23 02:08:07 PM  
4 votes:
Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.
2014-01-23 03:24:10 PM  
3 votes:

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Cute assumption, but CDC data(warning: PDF) doesn't bear it out. The following states feature rates of birth to unmarried women greater than 45% of all births: DE, FL, GA, LA, MS, NM, SC.

Perhaps not all of those are red states, but none of them are liberal meccas, either. Louisiana and Mississippi are red states that share the dubious distinction of having more than half of all births go to unwed mothers.

Protip: If there is a list of states that are the worst at something, Mississippi is on it. No exceptions.
2014-01-23 03:11:36 PM  
3 votes:

Fade2black: Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.


"Tax and spend" is how the system is supposed to work, as opposed to the republican way popularized under Saint Reagan, "borrow and spend".
Tax to get the money to spend on what is needed rather than borrow on your children's credit card and spend it on your cronies.
Or are you suggesting that the government (federal, state etc) only spend on what YOU think is worthwhile and necessary,
and f*ck everyone else and what they want or need? Because that would be both selfish and stupid, and I just know you're neither of those....

/likes "tax and spend"
//it's logical
2014-01-23 02:15:52 PM  
3 votes:
The red state folks read the good book but the blue state folks tend to pay attention.
2014-01-23 02:05:40 PM  
3 votes:

factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.


let's just be honest about this, red state family values are TERRIBLE

it is so cute when they say they are so much better than us and then prove that by better they mean worse.
fark em
2014-01-23 04:42:05 PM  
2 votes:

FizixJunkee: the money is in the banana stand: Simple. There is a lot of long-standing tradition in the South leading to a lot of pressure for young folks to get married. If you aren't married a couple years after college, people find that odd. If you are 30 and not married, there is something wrong with you. From the time you are young, the preferred timeline is ingrained in you. The likelihood that anyone would make the same decision at 18 or 25 as they would in their late twenties to early 30s is extremely rare. Of course divorce rates are higher, you are getting married at an early age. If you haven't had a lot of time together before you are married, haven't faced any significant challenges together, and haven't lived together and communicated about your wants/needs in great detail it will most likely fail. When people don't even know themselves or their partner, it will end in disaster.

I have two friends, a married couple living in a famed Red State, who are now approaching their mid-30s and are just now considering having children.  They've been harassed about kids since the day that got married about 10 years ago.  At this point, people just assume that they're infertile.

'Cause, you know, no one in their neck of the woods deliberately waits to have children.


It's all a part of the "traditional" life equation.  The prohibition on any premarital sex, masturbation, or any sexual outlet causes a built-in pressure in your teens to get married as earliest as legally possible, and the following prohibition on sex being for anything but procreation means you're typically pumping out kids within 9 months of the honeymoon.  And then, the traditional gender role pressure combined with a mindset that marriage isn't supposed to be enjoyable, and "you need to work it out, for the kids" sets up a self-perpetuating co-dependent situation where a combination of responsibility, guilt, and a taboo on divorce forces people to settle.  So they slot themselves into a generic cookie-cutter career path while somehow muddling through a generally unsatisfying and uninteresting life, choosing to instead invest hope and live for the sake of their kids and the promise of a glorious afterlife, where the cycle begins anew.

It's a great little setup for societal stability, but it breeds stagnation and can't keep you competitive over time.  It also makes you easy to control by elite interests in both public and private spheres.  Sure, it probably works for a generation or two while the rest of the world is still a smoking hole in the ground from the last two world wars, giving you a tempting way to assume your current place in the Number 1 spot is due to some kind innate superiority, Godly grace, or culture exceptionalism that always has been and always will be.  But then you wake up 60 years later and realize the rest of the world is catching up, your social and economic mobility is through the floor, all your innovative economic centers have fled to the "heathen" blue centers, you're running tremendous deficits, and the latest generations are following the money and happiness away from you.  Which you can't possibly accept as your own failure, so you need to desperately rationalize as someone else's fault.

The good news is, it gives you a neat way to then project your issues on everyone else, and say the reason your little world is falling apart, and the reason it's no longer competitive, is because of a loss of traditional values and economic sense, or because of (insert long list of conspiracies out to get you).  But that's confusing the cause with the effect.   Of course, you can always pull the predictable political card and throw up a siege/victim mentality, convincing your traditional constituency that they're not at fault, but rather under attack by the forces of evil, and they need to claw back the (retroactively re-imagined) idyllic existence they once had by voting for you.  Which works for a time, until your constituency loses the demographic race, can no longer attain a majority even at 100% turnout, and the whole thing implodes.
2014-01-23 04:06:54 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Discrimination based on a persons intelligence is not bigotry.  It's common sense.
2014-01-23 04:00:05 PM  
2 votes:
I am constantly amused and irritated at the same time when everyone in my southern family puts on pressure for me and the bafflerette to get married.  There has not been a single successful marriage anywhere in my extended family.  Everyone has been divorced.  About a third of them more than once.  Me and the bafflerette keep on trucking with our sinful relationship that has outlived almost all of their failed marriages.

And yet, they keep trying...
2014-01-23 03:50:27 PM  
2 votes:

Wendy's Chili: jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.

Hmm...

[www.floatingpath.com image 850x639]


You and all your liberal "facts"!
2014-01-23 03:44:54 PM  
2 votes:
 Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

By definition there are more stupid people there. Come on, give me a hard one.
2014-01-23 03:12:04 PM  
2 votes:

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


Hey!  I resemble that remark!

/grad school followed by being an academic hobo is not conducive to long-term relationships
2014-01-23 03:08:08 PM  
2 votes:

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Hmm...

www.floatingpath.com
2014-01-23 03:06:37 PM  
2 votes:
Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?
2014-01-23 02:25:04 PM  
2 votes:

Fubini: The red state folks read the good book but the blue state folks tend to pay attention.


A good nine-tenths of the time, they don't even read the farker. They pay megabucks to be told by charlatans what they want to think is in the book and quick tips for denial and overcoming cognitive dissonance.
2014-01-23 02:20:20 PM  
2 votes:
As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.
2014-01-23 02:13:30 PM  
2 votes:
Because anyone who votes Republican in this day and age is either an asshole or an idiot or both and intolerable to be around for any length of time... even to other Republicans.

/here to help
//let sea of tears begin
2014-01-23 02:00:37 PM  
2 votes:
www.huffingtonpost.com
YOU DON'T SAY!!!
2014-01-23 01:43:03 PM  
2 votes:
Maybe that unrelenting "everything sucks and our country is dying" negativity has something to do with it?
2014-01-23 01:29:12 PM  
2 votes:
To say nothing of the awkwardness of still having to see them at all the family reunions.
2014-01-23 06:58:04 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


That, my friend, depends entirely upon where you grow up. If you are in the sticks and want to stay in those sticks you'd better snap up a cutie quick; they're all pregnant/married (either tends to follow the other quickly so order is of minimal relevance) by their early twenties.
2014-01-23 06:54:50 PM  
1 vote:

Dinjiin: FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?

FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military

and tens of thousands of dollars in student loansso we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.

FTFY
2014-01-23 06:46:21 PM  
1 vote:
the money is in the banana stand:

While this is a lovely rant and all, how exactly does this lead to higher divorce rates? You want to know what leads to the higher divorce rates? The South is more economically depressed for one. Finances are a major reason why individuals part-ways. On top of this, there is a lot of societal pressure for young folks to get married in the South - especially if they have kids together. Gett ...

I will disagree with one thing: that the south is "more economically depressed." Compared to where? Upper midwest? California? Florida? Actually, southern states (mostly Texas, but there are others) are doing OK economically, overall. Now, there are populations within those states (blacks, Hispanics, high school dropouts) who aren't doing so good, but like I said, the powers that be in those states don't care about "those people." If you're black or poor or undocumented, you don't count in their rendering of economic vitality, blah blah blah. They care about shiat like businesses moving in from other states, "right to work" legislation, tax rates (low, of course), etc. They don't care about metrics like "percentage of people without health insurance/health care" or "unemployment rates among young black people."

Rick Perry doesn't care that Latinos in the border counties are not doing well by any metric. He really only cares about what the affluent white people who voted for him think and care about. Which is not poor Mexicans.

Poor Mexicans do our yard work and clean our office buildings down here. So at least they're bootstrappy. One day, maybe a couple of generations from now, they'll be affluent enough to give a shiat about.

Perry isn't so much a racist (I don't think) as he just doesn't care what poor people think. Poor people can't do anything for him. They're just takers, wanting stuff like health care and education for their kids. And I doubt he really cares about abortion or gay people getting married, that's just the shiat he yaps about to keep the Jesus freaks happy. I'm sure it'll pay off for him big-time when he stops being governor and goes on the Republican speaking circuit. He'll probably make more money doing that than he does now.
2014-01-23 06:12:55 PM  
1 vote:

tbhouston: other than texas all the red states have more federal handouts than they bring in with taxes..


That's by design (seems clear now). The states don't want to spend THEIR money to help their residents. They'd rather the poors and the illegals just leave, but failing that, they're happy to have everyone else in the other states subsidizing them (Medicaid, AFDC, etc.).

They save their hard-earned money in-state for Jesusy shiat like faith-based marriage and family counseling and tax abatements and other sweetheart deals for corporations and such.
2014-01-23 05:39:05 PM  
1 vote:

PunGent: Above average salaries


Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature
2014-01-23 04:23:08 PM  
1 vote:
other than texas all the red states have more federal handouts than they bring in with taxes..
2014-01-23 04:14:22 PM  
1 vote:

Dinjiin: FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?

FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military so we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.


you can buy a gun, but not drink
vote, but not drink
not buy cigarettes ...
get married FFS

pretty zero of our age limited laws make any sense at all
2014-01-23 04:11:24 PM  
1 vote:

FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?


FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military so we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.
2014-01-23 04:02:23 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe that unrelenting "everything sucks and our country is dying" negativity has something to do with it?


social conservatism is largely just projection on a national scale

the problems they point out with the rest of the world are really their own problems they refuse to acknowledge and fix
2014-01-23 03:47:06 PM  
1 vote:

Wendy's Chili: jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.

Hmm...

[www.floatingpath.com image 850x639]


What a polite, thorough and absolute refutation of his point. Well done.
2014-01-23 03:43:04 PM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.



Educated people are MORE likely to get married and LESS likely to divorce.
2014-01-23 03:42:57 PM  
1 vote:
Because the queers are building landing strips for gay martians?

The deep red states are filled almost border to border with people whose entire outlook on life is based around the idea that all their problems are everybody else's fault. I would imagine it's sort of hard to maintain a lifelong relationship, rushed into marriage or not, when you're terminally incapable of accepting responsibility for yourself, much less the needs of a partner.

You're talking about dickheads that dropped out of school in 10th grade and spent the next decade drinking heavily and throwing the empty beer cans at local college students, yet still honestly believe they're poor and unemployed because some liberals in New York raised taxes on a handful of billionaires. You're asking a hell of a lot from someone like that to commit to a lifelong, two-way partnership with another, equally damaged, human being.
2014-01-23 03:42:15 PM  
1 vote:
Came here looking for HoustonNick saying something stupid.

Leaving disappointed.  :-(
2014-01-23 03:30:13 PM  
1 vote:

SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.


The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.
Ant
2014-01-23 03:21:02 PM  
1 vote:

yakmans_dad: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

What does "bigotry" mean to you?


Is intolerance of people with bigoted views a form of bigotry?
2014-01-23 03:16:15 PM  
1 vote:

SuperNinjaToad: Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce


Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).

IIRC, the divorce stats are about on par with America at large if not slightly lower, and I suspect that's more to do with "pre-marriage" classes most rabbis require.

// R' Barry Freundel (a fairly famous rabbi in DC) won't marry couples without a (civil) pre-nup
// if you have a cite, though, I'm all ears
// well, all ears and nose (*zing!*)
2014-01-23 03:13:52 PM  
1 vote:

Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?


You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.
2014-01-23 03:08:35 PM  
1 vote:
Not surprising. When I lived in Idaho, the SOP for life seemed to be married by 20, divorced by 25 with two kids.
2014-01-23 02:58:22 PM  
1 vote:

OmarBradley: "Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Divorces per 1,000 people is not the same as looking at divorces per 1,000 marriages. Given blue states have the lowest marriage rates, there is naturally not as many divorces.


Good point. I was thinking that they dismissed the poverty factor a bit too easily. Just because the authors said they controlled it doesn't mean they did so mathematically. How much of the divorce rate was attributable to income and how much  beyond thatwas attributable to values and such?
2014-01-23 02:52:57 PM  
1 vote:

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


I'm beginning to resemble that remark.

//wonder how many Farkers the above descriptions apply to.
2014-01-23 02:49:57 PM  
1 vote:

Cat Food Sandwiches: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.


Detroit does not approve of your shenanigans but they cant afford a decent rebuttal
2014-01-23 02:49:24 PM  
1 vote:
They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.
2014-01-23 02:46:30 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.
2014-01-23 02:38:26 PM  
1 vote:

Nabb1: Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.


Women's Median Age at First Marriage By State

1. Idaho: 23.2
2. Utah: 23.3
3. Wyoming: 24.2
4. Arkansas: 24.3
5. Oklahoma: 24.4
6. Kentucky: 24.8
7. West Virginia: 25.0
8. Kansas: 25.0
9. Tennessee: 25.2
10. Texas: 25.2
11. Alaska: 25.2
12. North Dakota: 25.3
13. Alabama: 25.3
14. Iowa: 25.4
15. Nebraska: 25.4
16. Missouri: 25.6
17. Nevada: 25.6
18. South Dakota: 25.6
19. North Carolina: 25.7
20. Montana: 25.7
21. Colorado: 25.7
22. Indiana: 25.7
23. Mississippi: 25.8
24. Arizona: 25.8
25. New Mexico: 25.8
26. Louisiana: 25.9
27. Washington: 25.9
28. Georgia: 25.9
29. Oregon: 26.0
30. Minnesota: 26.3
31. Wisconsin: 26.3
32. Ohio: 26.3
33. Maine: 26.4
34. South Carolina: 26.4
35. Florida: 26.4
36. Michigan: 26.4
37: Virginia: 26.4
38: Puerto Rico: 26.5
39. Delaware: 26.6
40. New Hampshire: 26.8
41. California: 26.8
42. Hawaii: 26.9
43. Vermont: 26.9
44. Illinois: 27.0
45. Pennsylvania: 27.1
46. Maryland: 27.3
47. Connecticut: 27.6
48. New Jersey: 27.7
49. Rhode Island: 28.2
50. New York: 28.4
51. Massachusetts: 28.5
52. District of Columbia: 29.7
2014-01-23 02:37:56 PM  
1 vote:

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Woot!
My contribution:
The reason the South has produced so many phenomenal writers is the same as Russia's; the prsence of so much human misery.
2014-01-23 02:26:10 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.
2014-01-23 02:23:55 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: To be fair, educated people also tend to marry when they're older, and get married at lower rates overall. Then again, maybe it's good that people take their time to make a (purportedly) lifelong commitment.


I agree.  Figuring out the world of today takes more time than the smaller, simpler world of yesteryear.  Throwing a wedding ring and some kids at a 20-year-old nowadays is a vastly greater challenge than in the 1950s.

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Oh, yeah?  Well...

menschenfresser: This just in: Evangelical conservatives are dimwitted mouthbreathers with no self-awareness.


Oh.
2014-01-23 02:21:54 PM  
1 vote:

Fade2black: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.

How about you take your head out of your ass and then we can point out real problems like overall general money woes, or the increased rate of divorce from social media. Or more and more people realizing they don't *need* marriage, or the tax benefits just aren't good enough. Not enough family structure among minorities. Etc.

It's all kinds of things. But do go on and tell me where the meanie republican forced you to sign on the dotted line.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
2014-01-23 02:20:32 PM  
1 vote:

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


What does "bigotry" mean to you?
2014-01-23 02:17:20 PM  
1 vote:
This just in: Evangelical conservatives are dimwitted mouthbreathers with no self-awareness.
2014-01-23 02:17:02 PM  
1 vote:

Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.


Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.

How about you take your head out of your ass and then we can point out real problems like overall general money woes, or the increased rate of divorce from social media. Or more and more people realizing they don't *need* marriage, or the tax benefits just aren't good enough. Not enough family structure among minorities. Etc.

It's all kinds of things. But do go on and tell me where the meanie republican forced you to sign on the dotted line.
2014-01-23 02:14:15 PM  
1 vote:

factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.


To be fair, educated people also tend to marry when they're older, and get married at lower rates overall.  Then again, maybe it's good that people take their time to make a (purportedly) lifelong commitment.
2014-01-23 02:08:09 PM  
1 vote:
Oh yeah, well when you're burning in the hellfire of eternal damnation you'll wish you hadn't postponed marriage to get an education, settle into a career, become more responsible, and wait to raise children in a stable home.

You'll rue the day you left Arkansas for Jew York!   Oh you were too good for us.  Well, we didn't want you here anyway!
2014-01-23 02:06:54 PM  
1 vote:
Keep on defending that Sanctity of Marriage, red states!
2014-01-23 02:06:43 PM  
1 vote:

what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.


All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.
2014-01-23 02:06:32 PM  
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Why should a gay man stay in a sham marriage when he hates vaginas?
2014-01-23 01:53:57 PM  
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